who do you think would win and why. These are two small heavyweights about the same size so it is a perfect match-up. I got Holyfield by split decision in a war!

who do you think would win and why. These are two small heavyweights about the same size so it is a perfect match-up. I got Holyfield by split decision in a war!

joe frazier split decision

Similar to the Holyfield-Cooper fight except Frazier is much much better than Cooper. 50-50 but I might favor Holyfield if he doesn't slug too much.
"Look at the will of Evander Holyfield! staring Cooper in the face and pounding away!"

Great match up! Fraizer is hell for anybody who doesn't have the knock out power to stop him and hold him off. It would probably be a brutal war on par with the early rounds of Quarry/Frazier I. However, Holyfield won't fade and injure as easily as Quarry and might be able to keep up a similiar workrate to get a close gruelling decision. Frazier would come hard in the late rounds though and could rock Evander more than a few times.

*waits for someone to compare Tyson-Holyfield because Tyson style has a little similar to Fraziers"

i think a preview of this fight would be the first fight between Holyfield and Dwight Muhammad Qawi at cruiserweight. Qawi actually reminds me more of Frazier than Tyson does.

*waits for someone to compare Tyson-Holyfield because Tyson style has a little similar to Fraziers"

Tyson is a bad version of Holyfield
they both have similar styles but the only thing tyson has over holy is power that's it.

Tyson is a bad version of Holyfield
not taking shots just comparing...

What do you mean? As in his Prime Tyson was a bad version of Holyfield? Or when they fought.

Tyson is a bad version of Holyfield
they both have similar styles but the only thing tyson has over holy is power that's it.

Speed and in my opinion a better chin.Elusivness also,and stamina. Im talking about Primes though.

Speed and in my opinion a better chin.Elusivness also,and stamina. Im talking about Primes though.
Holyfield had a better chin, stamina imo

Tyson's speed was a bit better and his power also
their defence was almost if not equal.
It's hard to decide who is better because they both had similar styles iMO

Speed and in my opinion a better chin.Elusivness also,and stamina. Im talking about Primes though.

Stamina?!

I agree with power speed and chin though.

Holyfield showed his chin and stamina in the first bowe fight.

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Stamina?!

I agree with power speed and chin though.

Look at how a Prime Tyson moved in the ring throwing power shot after power shot. He kept that movement threw 12 rounds. Holyfield was known to have stamina issues some times. Thats a fact.

Look at how a Prime Tyson moved in the ring throwing power shot after power shot. He kept that movement threw 12 rounds. Holyfield was known to have stamina issues some times. Thats a fact.

Tyson always took atleast one round off in all of his long distance fights

Holyfield had a better chin, stamina imo

Tyson's speed was a bit better and his power also
their defence was almost if not equal.
It's hard to decide who is better because they both had similar styles iMO

Watch Tyson-Tucker.His stamina is crazy.I have no clue how he did that for 12 rounds. Power shots take something out of you. Hell,his style alone is tiresome.haha. But yeah,different opinions. I like both guys so its all good.

Watch Tyson-Tucker.His stamina is crazy.I have no clue how he did that for 12 rounds. Power shots take something out of you. Hell,his style alone is tiresome.haha. But yeah,different opinions. I like both guys so its all good.

check the video i posted.... i doubt a lot of people could've went to a decision in that fight.(bowe 1)

check the video i posted.... i doubt a lot of people could've went to a decision in that fight.(bowe 1)

Ive seen it on Classic.

Ive seen it on Classic.
That's why i'm saying his chin was a bit better ;)
Prime Tyson... when he was a upcommer was amazing

I saw a lot of his fights when he had like 13 - 15 wins making his way up. Legend i just hated him after he started talking shit and doing crazy things

That's why i'm saying his chin was a bit better ;)
Prime Tyson... when he was a upcommer was amazing

I saw a lot of his fights when he had like 13 - 15 wins making his way up. Legend i just hated him after he started talking shit and doing crazy things

Hmmm,well he did go the distance with Lennox,but Im still iffy.

Holyfield was known to have stamina issues some times. Thats a fact.

After the hep B thing it REALLY showed. Also tyson has a style similar to fraizer.... :****you: :asshole: :chairshot :crazy:

After the hep B thing it REALLY showed. Also tyson has a style similar to fraizer.... :****you: :asshole: :chairshot :crazy:

Change your location to Austin.You're not welcome in my city anymore,Traitor.

****er i was there this past weekend for a bday party, oh and i told sumone you lost ur fight u have up on youtube. LOL, they sent a msg asking if you really got koed......and i told them YES, one punch, a jab actually.

****er i was there this past weekend for a bday party, oh and i told sumone you lost ur fight u have up on youtube. LOL, they sent a msg asking if you really got koed......and i told them YES, one punch, a jab actually.

:lol1: You ****ed up.They're going to believe it too.

where's the fight? Can i get the link to it i have to see it to believe it..ko'd by a jab :P

jk

yeah i wanna see it too.

I have the first round,its in the T&N forum.Dont believe Sleezy he's joking.

i only see pics in that thread
you should frame this pic yo
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/mystyal2k5/IMG_3139.jpg
lol

i only see pics in that thread
you should frame this pic yo
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/mystyal2k5/IMG_3139.jpg
lol

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143590

His gloves touched the canvas big time, You took some shots and seemed to be fine, That Wasn't a low blow.

You'r good and u can take punches... you should have been a bit more relax though there was no way that guy could hurt you and you could've countered him nicely. But you know what your doing.

looks exciting to fight in front of people and stuff it looks real organized and all

His gloves touched the canvas big time, You took some shots and seemed to be fine, That Wasn't a low blow.

You'r good and u can take punches... you should have been a bit more relax though there was no way that guy could hurt you and you could've countered him nicely. But you know what your doing.

looks exciting to fight in front of people and stuff it looks real organized and all

I wasnt nervous,but I did go after him too fast.Shit happens.

yeah you wanna look good and hurt him but i see you have good speed and you usualy connect.. You should jab here and there to set up the punches

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Lol at the second guy ..:lol1:

yeah you wanna look good and hurt him but i see you have good speed and you usualy connect.. You should jab here and there to set up the punches
but hey you know do what u think is good...

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Lol at the second guy ..:lol1:

He was weighing around 135 at the time. He's doing 225lbs in multiples.Thats some power if you ask me.

Also Im not used to the amateur style,but Im adjusting in time for GG.

He was weighing around 135 at the time. He's doing 225lbs in multiples.Thats some power if you ask me.

Also Im not used to the amateur style,but Im adjusting in time for GG.

oh ok then nvm that's not bad for him.
You have potential and good luck in the future

I dont do weights by the way. I just did this to show a poster that couldnt believe I could do it,and really couldnt believe my friend smaller then me could. He left the forum after that.

oh ok then nvm that's not bad for him.
You have potential and good luck in the future

thanks........

I dont do weights by the way. I just did this to show a poster that couldnt believe I could do it,and really couldnt believe my friend smaller then me could. He left the forum after that.

owned! Leaves :lol1:
how much do you weight? i'm just wondering. since ur 5'5 - 5'7

owned! Leaves :lol1:
how much do you weight? i'm just wondering. since ur 5'5 - 5'7

In that video probably about 165,Im about 175 right now.

In that video probably about 165,Im about 175 right now.

hmm, do u plan to fight at LH?

hmm, do u plan to fight at LH?

Naw,for amateur either 165 or 152. Pro either 154 or 147

Tyson would sometimes take significant portions of round after round off when it went the distance like in the Tilis decision.


Holyfeild did have health issues at certain points but he also displayed great feats of stamina against top ranked opponents.

Tyson would sometimes take significant portions of round after round off when it went the distance like in the Tilis decision.


Holyfeild did have health issues at certain points but he also displayed great feats of stamina against top ranked opponents.

Throwing powershots in at least 90% of your shots,you'd have to take some time off.haha. Throwing power shots takes alot out of you.

I like Frazier here. By SD. It would be close, but i think his fast combinations would just be enough. Also i think Fraziers defence was decent enough to make Holyfield miss some of his big shots.

I like Frazier here. By SD. It would be close, but i think his fast combinations would just be enough. Also i think Fraziers defence was decent enough to make Holyfield miss some of his big shots.



I think Frazier's defense is extremely overrated by some. Frazier wasn't really a strategic bob and weaver he was a random bob and weaver. That does offer some benefit; a moving target is always a little more difficult to hit. This could go either way to me.

i think Holyfield would just out work Frazier just like he did with Tyson and Qawi. its like he automatically knows hot to deal with that style. Qawi is as close to Frazier as you can get. he fights just like him.

look at this! hes like a mirror image of Frazier.

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What do you mean? As in his Prime Tyson was a bad version of Holyfield? Or when they fought.


Why do people always say Tyson was past his prime when he lost when Douglas,Lewis and Holyfield were older?So wouldn't that mean they were past their primes too?

Different boxers with different styles do age quicker as a rule of thumb. Shorter boxers with shorter reaches tend to have shorter careers. The reason why lies in punishment received. Lifestyle ages human beings, stress, smoking, drinking and drug abuse can make a person age ahead of their years, same goes for any other abuse of the body......like taking punches.

Punches age a boxer and shorten careers, if you want a similar analogy, its not the age of the car, its the milage! thats why the likes of Tyson was at his peak in his early twenties. Other short guys who didn't fight well into their late 30s were Marciano (who retired nice and early), Frazier (washed up at 31) more recently David Tua.

If you compare these guys with the likes of tall fighters with good reaches like Ali, Holmes, Lewis and Foreman who did fight well into their late 30s (and 40s!!! in Foreman and Holmes cases).

The one exception to the rule is Holyfield who has been taking punches for decades and still comes back for more. That said he is 6 ft 2, which is average for a heavyweight, not short like Tyson, Marciano etc.

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JESUS THAT KINDA FIGHTS I WANNA SEE!
Can you send me more of that kinda fights man?

This one is so hard to call. If anything my gut feeling tells me Holyfield might just have an edge. But in saying that I can't see Holyfield causing Ali the problems that Frazier caused him.

It's all about styles.

This one is so hard to call. If anything my gut feeling tells me Holyfield might just have an edge. But in saying that I can't see Holyfield causing Ali the problems that Frazier caused him.

It's all about styles.

i don't either but styles make fights.

Frazier was a brawler that stayed pretty low, hit hard, and knew how to pace himself, a style bound to cause problems for the one two boxer that Ali was.

Usually I see Frazier outworking opponents like Holyfield but Holyfield's work rate nearly matches Frazier's. This is an all-action fight like the Qawi fight. Both fighters are hurt on multiple occasions, but in the end Frazier's power and body-punching hurt Holyfield a few times more than Holyfield hurts Frazier and it wins "Smokin'" Joe a comfortable decision. Great fight!

Poet

I may have posted in this thread already but I pick Frazier to win this one, althought I have trouble deciding rather he'd win by decision or stoppage. Holyfield has a tendency to get hit quite a bit at times and get pulled into a war; Frazier was the harder hitter, although less versatile on offense but overall I think he'd win this matchup with his harder punching and ability to find the target in front of him.