If I Put All My Effort Into Weights And Calesthinics To Become Something Like A Miniature Mike Tyson (power And Build)(for Lightweight To Welterweight Fighting Class) Will I Even Need Running Or Rope Jumping

Thats a pretty lazy way of looking at it on top of being not very smart. Conditioning is 10 times more important han strength. If you can only punch for two rounds because you didnt condition your body to go more than that do you think youll be winning fights?

conditioning is Priority...Skill automatically comes after. Unless you just suck.

If I Put All My Effort Into Weights And Calesthinics To Become Something Like A Miniature Mike Tyson (power And Build)(for Lightweight To Welterweight Fighting Class) Will I Even Need Running Or Rope Jumping

Grizz is right.

Further, Skipping rope is more than conditioning; it works your footwork, balance, and coordination. Have you ever watched a professional boxer skip rope? Check it out on YouTube. It'll blow your mind. And FWIW, I bet Tyson could've run your ass into the ground.

Physical conditioning is the EASY part of boxing. The conditioning you have to endure to get into shape to box competitively -- that includes getting up at 4 AM to run everyday, and skipping rope even though you hate it and suck at it (you'll get better) -- gives you the mental and psychological strength to handle yourself in the ring when it comes time to learn to put it all together.

It's the **** you have to do once you're IN shape, that's the hard part. If you're already planning shortcuts toward your conditioning, you'll be screwed when it comes time to learn how to really fight. Because fighting smart takes even more discipline and heart than conditioning does.

The Way I Was Looking At It Was If Somebody Can Knock Out Everybody In Their Weight Class In Less Than One Round Through Technique And Physical Power And Can Take Any Blows Their Opponents Give Out Out (good Defense Or Not)why Would They Want To Condition Except For Aesthetic Reasons

Is this thread a joke? Seriously.

No Its Nota Joke, You Remember When Tyson Was Coming Through The Ranks, Most Of The Time His Fights Went 2 Rounds At The Most, So I Wanted To Know Why Would Did He Condition So Much And Not Focus More On His Best Traits (punching And Increasing Body Density For Defense-ie Its Kinda Hard To Punch Through A Brick Wall)

No Its Nota Joke, You Remember When Tyson Was Coming Through The Ranks, Most Of The Time His Fights Went 2 Rounds At The Most, So I Wanted To Know Why Would Did He Condition So Much And Not Focus More On His Best Traits (punching And Increasing Body Density For Defense-ie Its Kinda Hard To Punch Through A Brick Wall)

You condition alot so you can keep up that already good punching power threw out rounds. You're not going to knockout all the boxers you face. The bigger you are the slower you get.Thats why he always shed weight when he fought.I think he walked around at 230lbs in his prime,and fought at around 217lbs.

If I Put All My Effort Into Weights And Calesthinics To Become Something Like A Miniature Mike Tyson (power And Build)(for Lightweight To Welterweight Fighting Class) Will I Even Need Running Or Rope Jumping

Tysons power is NATURAL, if everyone thought that doing weights and calisthenics would get you to be a Lil Tyson then everyone would be doing it! Tyson added to his already natural power by doing other things.He even said he mostly just did the heavybag for his power in his prime.

The Way I Was Looking At It Was If Somebody Can Knock Out Everybody In Their Weight Class In Less Than One Round Through Technique And Physical Power

Because that is never going to happen...I mean come on...

Even if you are a power house like Tyson you are always going to get fighters that can stand up to you, and if you cant keep your game up in the later rounds then why even waste your time...

Conditioning is a must, its a *****, but there is no way around it.

too bad he(tyson) didn't have a brain.. he could've been much better

The Way I Was Looking At It Was If Somebody Can Knock Out Everybody In Their Weight Class In Less Than One Round Through Technique And Physical Power And Can Take Any Blows Their Opponents Give Out Out (good Defense Or Not)why Would They Want To Condition Except For Aesthetic Reasons

You play too many video games. You can't condition your body to "take any blows their opponents dish out." You don't have a Life Meter at the bottom of your screen that you can increase by lifting weights. Similarly, you can't become a one-punch wonder by becoming insanely strong. (Increasing your Power Meter?) If you could do either of these things, heavyweight titles would be held by insane Swiss guys who pull freight trains with their teeth.

Boxing is not about brute force. It's about control, coordination, and endless Goddamn pain, sweat, and hard work. There is no -- NO -- way around that. A skilled boxer has more in common with a male ballet danser than he does with a bodybuilder or some "hard, yo" street punk. Put away your Xbox and get your ass in training.

Hahahaha. A lot of Tyson's fights did go 2 rounds or less. Son, if you don't work on your conditioning your gonna be amazed at how difficult it will be to go those 2 rounds.

Hahahaha. A lot of Tyson's fights did go 2 rounds or less. Son, if you don't work on your conditioning your gonna be amazed at how difficult it will be to go those 2 rounds.

Exactly.Power is good,but once you meet that person that can take a shot,you're ****ed.

Hahahaha. A lot of Tyson's fights did go 2 rounds or less. Son, if you don't work on your conditioning your gonna be amazed at how difficult it will be to go those 2 rounds.

Amen. To say nothing of the fact that if he can't muster the determination to haul his lazy ass out of bed in the dark to put in his 4 miles every morning, where's he gonna get the resolve to keep going when he's seeing electric purple cheetos and choking on his own blood?

As said by fraidycat

MY ADVICE TO THOSE CONTEMPLATING TAKING UP BOXING:
Run as hard as you can until you puke, then run as hard as you can home,
do 50 pushups on your knuckles, and then ram your head through the wall.
That's what a good day in the gym feels like.
If you wake up the next morning wanting to do it again, this is your sport.

Thanks, sllewe.

These ****in' guys watch too much anime, or they do a couple rounds of backyard boxing -- or worse, both -- and suddenly they're gonna be the next world champion. Boxing gyms stay in business because of these guys -- most of them pay for a month and show up twice -- so I guess they're a blessing. But they have no freakin' clue how hard this game is.

They see the belts and the ring girls and the cool demeanors of the up-and-comers, but they have no concept of what it takes to show up day after day, week in and week out, year in and year out, knowing it's going to hurt every time. That it's going to get harder every time -- the better shape you're in, the harder you have to train? I think most people can't even comprehend it.

I think this young fella just needs a reality check! Just one round of sparring and he'll begin to realise you don't play with boxing, you have to respect the art!

Bro, you might think we're all being harsh, but we've all seen it before. Guys who walk in the gym thinking they can handle the sport because they've had a few street fights that lasted all of 15 seconds each. It's easy winning a street fight, just kick em in the balls, or pick up a brick and smash em over the head or glass them with a broken bottle or pick up a metal pole or some ****. Maybe your homie comes in with a fly kick on the blindside or summat!

Now imagine facing the same opponent, in a 16x16 ring, with gloves on. You can't kick, you can't headbutt, you can't pick up a metal pole, your homies can't jump in when you're losing, you can't aim for the balls, you can't throw the person to the ground and you can't hit behind the head. You can't sucker punch them, they're alert and their defense is tight. They've also trained for months just as hard if not harder than you. And they're roughly the same size and weight as you. Now try beating them!

I've seen guys lose street fights because they tripped up on a dodgy pavement slab then proceeded to get their head kicked in! Trust me it takes a whole lot more skill and is much harder beating someone within a rule set. Remember that before you start boasting about street fights.

Anyways get your ass to the gym and if you're there in 6 months time everything people have said on this thread will make perfect sense.

Mike Tyson is not an example of what you are talking about...

Yes he cleared many guys out early, but he also was taken the distance/late rounds by James Tillis, Mitch Green, Jose Ribalta, James Smith, and Tony Tucker all in the 80's.

Your point is moot. If you dont have the heart for conditiong, then you should pick something else. It's all about mental toughness which you build doing your conditions, working through the boredom and pain.

I think this young fella just needs a reality check! Just one round of sparring and he'll begin to realise you don't play with boxing, you have to respect the art!

Bro, you might think we're all being harsh, but we've all seen it before. Guys who walk in the gym thinking they can handle the sport because they've had a few street fights that lasted all of 15 seconds each. It's easy winning a street fight, just kick em in the balls, or pick up a brick and smash em over the head or glass them with a broken bottle or pick up a metal pole or some ****. Maybe your homie comes in with a fly kick on the blindside or summat!

Now imagine facing the same opponent, in a 16x16 ring, with gloves on. You can't kick, you can't headbutt, you can't pick up a metal pole, your homies can't jump in when you're losing, you can't aim for the balls, you can't throw the person to the ground and you can't hit behind the head. You can't sucker punch them, they're alert and their defense is tight. They've also trained for months just as hard if not harder than you. And they're roughly the same size and weight as you. Now try beating them!

I've seen guys lose street fights because they tripped up on a dodgy pavement slab then proceeded to get their head kicked in! Trust me it takes a whole lot more skill and is much harder beating someone within a rule set. Remember that before you start boasting about street fights.

Anyways get your ass to the gym and if you're there in 6 months time everything people have said on this thread will make perfect sense.

good post. cept if you kickbox your allowed to kick :p

The Way I Was Looking At It Was If Somebody Can Knock Out Everybody In Their Weight Class In Less Than One Round Through Technique And Physical Power And Can Take Any Blows Their Opponents Give Out Out (good Defense Or Not)why Would They Want To Condition Except For Aesthetic Reasons

are you kidding me man. ur sayin if a fighter has great power, there is no point in conditioning urself unless u jus want to look good??

bro, no offense, but im thinkin this sport isnt for u my man. maybe gold would suit u better. u can have a great swing and still be fat and out of shape. thats kinda wut ur sayin here. u can be strong and know how to punch, but u dont have to be in shape. u see how this is beyond retarded, yes?

are you kidding me man. ur sayin if a fighter has great power, there is no point in conditioning urself unless u jus want to look good??

bro, no offense, but im thinkin this sport isnt for u my man. maybe gold would suit u better. u can have a great swing and still be fat and out of shape. thats kinda wut ur sayin here. u can be strong and know how to punch, but u dont have to be in shape. u see how this is beyond retarded, yes?

you know how big guys (300 pounds +) get into bar fights and knock people out no problem so its not retarded, now imagine the power in some body that fights at lightweight maybe welterweight thats how i was seeing it

you know how big guys (300 pounds +) get into bar fights and knock people out no problem so its not retarded, now imagine the power in some body that fights at lightweight maybe welterweight thats how i was seeing it

Even if your going all out to knock someone out in 2 rounds. You need conditioning. Or if your just going to stand there and hope for one punch to win it your going to get out boxed every fight.

Also weights dont really equate to punching power.

The Way I Was Looking At It Was If Somebody Can Knock Out Everybody In Their Weight Class In Less Than One Round Through Technique And Physical Power And Can Take Any Blows Their Opponents Give Out Out (good Defense Or Not)why Would They Want To Condition Except For Aesthetic Reasons
If that was the case the man in your own avvy would still be a champ not a chump...........

you know how big guys (300 pounds +) get into bar fights and knock people out no problem so its not retarded, now imagine the power in some body that fights at lightweight maybe welterweight thats how i was seeing it

dude this is real life man. bar fights are bar fights. this is boxing, not street fights. ur makin urself sound like an idiot dude comparin a big dude knockin someone out in a bar fight which lasts 12 seconds, to a trained fighter knocking another TRAINED fighter out without being conditioned. think wut ur sayin. get into a gym and fight a guy who u outweight by 30 pounds and he'll tax ur ass and make u look straight foolish. this is ****ing boxing man, it aint easy, and there nothin easy about it, NOTHING. if u dont train, u dont win, PERIOD!

you know how big guys (300 pounds +) get into bar fights and knock people out no problem so its not retarded

Yes, it is retarded. And that statement is even retarded-er.

In my opinion I punch considerably hard in both hands,but my main focus in training is my conditioning. I gotta have that stamina,its a must. If you have the mindset that you're going to knockout a guy in the first or second and you dont do it.You could get tired mentally,which converts to physically. You'll think " Why cant I knock this ****er out?" As you're throwing shots all over the place.

Seems to me no matter what people are telling you on here your still trying to back your theory up. So how about you go to a gym try it out see how fast you get landed on your ass. Then come back and ask for some real advise? boxing is a whole other world from street fighting.

Its obvious that you've never been to a boxing gym before. Even more so that you've never sparred.

If you talked to my trainer with this kind of mentality he would tell you to get the **** out (those EXACT WORDS), or put you in with someone who'd **** you up just to show you that you ain't goin nowhere unless you work for it in this game.

When and if you do spar against one of these *****s who only condition to their bodys to "look good" (I mean who would even want that anyway?), try swinging haymakers for the first two rounds and give us a little report on your success story okay?

The Way I Was Looking At It Was If Somebody Can Knock Out Everybody In Their Weight Class In Less Than One Round Through Technique And Physical Power And Can Take Any Blows Their Opponents Give Out Out (good Defense Or Not)why Would They Want To Condition Except For Aesthetic Reasons

I'm the most confident person on this forum period.

But even i know that is 99% impossible what you just stated.

You need your conditioning man... TRUST me.

well, i guess everyone else already said it. but all power punches that i've heard of have been taken the distance and by less than stellar fighters too. more importantly, no amount of weights lifted is going to make you a great power puncher if you do not already have it. if that were the case, everyone would be a power puncher.

I think he's been watching too many early,Tyson fights and they got him delusional.

Why yall clownin' this kid...lmfao obviosly he's a kid, so stop trying to BOXING PROFESSIONAL him to death lmao...

listen to kid, without conditioning mike cudnt bob and weave back and forth like he did without getting winded. Mike bob'd and weave'd a million times to get up on his opponent then smackem with a good one!

however, I do believe wieght training is a factor in puching power. Be it wieghts, pushups or sum sort of resistance in reps!

but the key to punching power is wieght distribution.....Mr. Brown an old trainer in my gym says it best...

THE MORE YOU PIVOT THE HARDER YOU PUNCH!...

repeat that in your head kiddo...millions of times...

If I Put All My Effort Into Weights And Calesthinics To Become Something Like A Miniature Mike Tyson (power And Build)(for Lightweight To Welterweight Fighting Class) Will I Even Need Running Or Rope Jumping

That's perfect man, and then when you fight all the much taller boxers in your weight class and they outbox you and tie you up for a few rounds till you can't lift your gloves and then they can knock some sense into you.

You guys are taking this thread too seriously, do you know what hypothetical means

You guys are taking this thread too seriously, do you know what hypothetical means

yes we do. But in all honestly dont do that. Just train hard in all aspects.