I didn't know Tua knocked out Ruiz in 19 seconds and Moorer in 21 seconds. The dude was a monster, was never knocked out or stopped and only beaten 3 times(Ike Ibeabuchi, a monster, Lennox Lewis, a great, and Chris Byrd, a damn good boxer 6 years ago) in 53 fights, with 42 KOs. Plus he was 5'10" and between 220 and 245 at his best, strong as a bull, with a killer left hook. Prime vs Prime.

Next time use the search function.This matchup has been done many of times.

A Prime Mike Tyson Dominates and Eliminates All Opposition In Boxing:nonono:

I don't think Tua would pose much of a problem for Tyson circa '86-88. Tyson was too fast and too hard to hit with a clean shot. Tua isn't too technical and he's fairly easy to hit. True he hits hard, but you have to hit someone cleanly with a hardshot to be able to put them down.

Tyson TKO 4

I don't think Tua would pose much of a problem for Tyson circa '86-88. Tyson was too fast and too hard to hit with a clean shot. Tua isn't too technical and he's fairly easy to hit. True he hits hard, but you have to hit someone cleanly with a hardshot to be able to put them down.

Tyson TKO 4

I'm not so sure, Tua had a chin of granite, and Tyson would come right to him. Yeah Tyson was faster, but Tua was stronger. It would be an exciting fight either way.

A Prime Mike Tyson Dominates and Eliminates All Opposition In Boxing:nonono:

That's pretty funny. But no seriously what do you think?

I'm not so sure, Tua had a chin of granite, and Tyson would come right to him. Yeah Tyson was faster, but Tua was stronger. It would be an exciting fight either way.

It could be a slugfest, I just think Tyson would be too good and too much for Tuaman. Maybe not a TKO in 4, that was just my initial inclination, but I do think Tyson would take him.

This would be the bane of all fighter for Tyson to fight.

Tua has one of the hardest chins ever in boxing, but Tyson is quicker.

Maybe Tyson on decision because of his boxing skills.

This would be the bane of all fighter for Tyson to fight.

Tua has one of the hardest chins ever in boxing, but Tyson is quicker.

Maybe Tyson on decision because of his boxing skills.


Tyson wouldn't have to put him down to stop him. ;) And I think thats exactly what would happen.

This would be the bane of all fighter for Tyson to fight.

Tua has one of the hardest chins ever in boxing, but Tyson is quicker.

Maybe Tyson on decision because of his boxing skills.

I figure Tyson would win the earlier rounds, with Tua doing better in the later rounds if it went that far. Just seems to me that Tyson's chin was exposed, even in his prime, by a club fighter like Douglas. Tua wouldn't be afraid of Tyson like most of his opponents were, and if he caught Tyson with a left hook, lights out.

Can't really say that about Tyson tho'. He was knocked out thru an abundance of punishment. Not one shot KO's. Still Tua is nowhere near the league of a prime Mike Tyson.

Can't really say that about Tyson tho'. He was knocked out thru an abundance of punishment. Not one shot KO's. Still Tua is nowhere near the league of a prime Mike Tyson.

I disagree, Tyson just had better promoters, manager, etc. What prime GREAT did Tyson fight in his prime?

I disagree, Tyson just had better promoters, manager, etc. What prime GREAT did Tyson fight in his prime?

Talking about his chin. No one one shot KO'd him. Besides, Tua is mediocre at best.

Talking about his chin. No one one shot KO'd him. Besides, Tua is mediocre at best.

How can you say that? Look at all the world champions that he KO'd, like Ruiz, Moorer, Maskaev, Rahman, WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR PRIMES.

How can you say that? Look at all the world champions that he KO'd, like Ruiz, Moorer, Maskaev, Rahman, WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR PRIMES.

Yea, but in all honesty, we can't lawd these guys and put down the ones thats Tyson defeated. All of these guys are on the same level. Speaking of Tyson and Tua's compeition.

EDIT - I wouldn't say Moorer was in his prime when Tua tattooed him.

Yea, but in all honesty, we can't lawd these guys and put down the ones thats Tyson defeated. All of these guys are on the same level. Speaking of Tyson and Tua's compeition.

Okay then 19 and 21 seconds!

Okay then 19 and 21 seconds!

Thats Ruiz and an old Moorer tho'.

Thats Ruiz and an old Moorer tho'.

Both of whom beat Holyfield who beat Tyson twice, and Moorer was only 34. But you said Tua was mediocre at best, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Goodnight.

Both of whom beat Holyfield who beat Tyson twice, and Moorer was only 34. But you said Tua was mediocre at best, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Goodnight.

Can't go by that mindset tho'(especially in referencing Ruiz/Holyfields fights). The who beat who argument is constantly blown apart in boxing

Besides, other than a heavier hitter, Tua has none of the skills of Holyfield.

Anyways, opinions vary. Thats what these forums are for.

Ruiz, Moorer, Maskaev, Rahman

how are they better than spinks, ruddock, tucker, bruno and holmes?

Tyson TKO 8 Tua

Tyson TKO Tua round 8

how are they better than spinks, ruddock, tucker, bruno and holmes?

Spinks? You're kidding right? An old light heavy with only a few fights at heavy. Ruddock, Tucker and Bruno, come on, barely club fighters, and an old Holmes that wasn't even a shadow of his former self.

Can't go by that mindset tho'(especially in referencing Ruiz/Holyfields fights). The who beat who argument is constantly blown apart in boxing

Besides, other than a heavier hitter, Tua has none of the skills of Holyfield.

Anyways, opinions vary. Thats what these forums are for.

I know the triangle theory doesn't work. And of course Tua didn't have Holyfields boxing and counterpunching skills, but he did hit much harder and had a better chin.

I know the triangle theory doesn't work. And of course Tua didn't have Holyfields boxing and counterpunching skills, but he did hit much harder and had a better chin.

I just don't think Tua has the skill, speed or defense to cope with a prime Tyson who cames at you with everything he has. Of course, Tua would have a puncher's chance against anyone. I just think he would be overwhelmed.

Tyson By TKO 5. Tua doesnt have to go down to lose this, tyson was very hard to hit in his prime with lighting combinations. I agree with Hawkins tua is not in the same league. As for tysons chin being exposed! watch some of his fights, he took constant shots from douglas and it took around 4 big punches to get him on the mat. Lennox Lewis a Massive puncher found it hard to finally finish him. Watch interviews with him he even says how shocked he was and the punches tyson could take!.

Spinks? You're kidding right? An old light heavy with only a few fights at heavy. Ruddock, Tucker and Bruno, come on, barely club fighters, and an old Holmes that wasn't even a shadow of his former self.

Tucker a club fighter? he was undefeated like 34-0 before he fought Tyson, and Bruno is considered one of the hardest punchers to date (on a PSI machine)

John Ruiz was far worse than anyone Tyson fought.

An how many rounds did Bruno stick with Lewis..?

Tyson by decision. Seeing Tua in there with Ike shows his chin.

Both of whom beat Holyfield who beat Tyson twice, and Moorer was only 34. But you said Tua was mediocre at best, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Goodnight.
I just started reading this thread, the first thing you were dead wrong about was that the Tyson that faced Douglas was a "prime" Tyson. O.K. I'll let that go knowing your somewhat of a Tyson hater anyway. Now I come up to this post and everything becomes clear, you really don't know what the hell your talking about. LOL Do you just go by stats or do you actually watch the fights? The Holyfield that Ruiz beat was a slow old man. Everyone knows Holyfield was way passed his prime by the time Ruiz got to him. There was definitely something wrong with the Holyfielf Moorer fought. Even Tedy Atlis told more (in between rounds) "somethings wrong with this guy". Your entitled to think what you want, but anyone with any sense knows what I'm saying is right. Tyson also would have knocked either one of those guys out early so using them as comparisons is ridiculous. Have a nice day. LOL

No matter how ridiculous a lot of gavinz1970's analysis are on this and other threads, we have to give it up to him for keeping us entertained. It would get boring fast if everyone agreed. I gotta take my hat off to the guy. LOL As far as the Tua Tyson fight, I have Tyson knocking out Tua in the first three rounds. Tua was made to order for a Tyson but he did hit hard enough to have a punchers chance against anyone but it doesn't always work that way.

No matter how ridiculous a lot of gavinz1970's analysis are on this and other threads, we have to give it up to him for keeping us entertained. It would get boring fast if everyone agreed. I gotta take my hat off to the guy. LOL As far as the Tua Tyson fight, I have Tyson knocking out Tua in the first three rounds. Tua was made to order for a Tyson but he did hit hard enough to have a punchers chance against anyone but it doesn't always work that way.


I concur, Tyson would have been on him like a cheap suit. Tua hit hard, but I don't think he had enough technical ability or speed to be able to avoid the fast and furious attack of Tyson. Plus Tyson would hit him with punches from angles that heavyweights arent supposed to throw from.

No disrespect to Tua, but he would get devoured.

No matter how ridiculous a lot of gavinz1970's analysis are on this and other threads, we have to give it up to him for keeping us entertained. It would get boring fast if everyone agreed. I gotta take my hat off to the guy. LOL As far as the Tua Tyson fight, I have Tyson knocking out Tua in the first three rounds. Tua was made to order for a Tyson but he did hit hard enough to have a punchers chance against anyone but it doesn't always work that way.

Well there's no need to be insulting, but I am happy to entertain. Your prediction that Tyson would KO Tua, who stould up to some serious bombs from Lewis, Ibeabuchi, Rahman and Maskaev, in the first three rounds is just rediculous. And Tyson was made to order for Tua, same height and reach, except Tua was stronger and hit harder, and Tyson would come right to him where that chin would be begging for Tua's left hook.

Tyson By TKO 5. Tua doesnt have to go down to lose this, tyson was very hard to hit in his prime with lighting combinations. I agree with Hawkins tua is not in the same league. As for tysons chin being exposed! watch some of his fights, he took constant shots from douglas and it took around 4 big punches to get him on the mat. Lennox Lewis a Massive puncher found it hard to finally finish him. Watch interviews with him he even says how shocked he was and the punches tyson could take!.

Lewis was starting to go down at that point, his second to last fight, and you saw how bad he looked against Vitali Klitschko in his next fight. Look how easily Tyson was stopped against Danny Williams (lol) and Kevin McBride (????) in his last two fights. Not to mention against Holyfield, not the world's biggest puncher. You talk about Douglas having trouble, but Douglas was a BUM, who shouldn't have even qualified for a title shot. You saw how easily Holyfield disposed of him in his next fight.

No disrespect to Tua, but he would get devoured.

That's your opinion and I respect that, doesn't make it fact though. I am curious how you think Tyson would have done against primes Foreman and Liston though.

Well there's no need to be insulting, but I am happy to entertain. Your prediction that Tyson would KO Tua, who stould up to some serious bombs from Lewis, Ibeabuchi, Rahman and Maskaev, in the first three rounds is just rediculous. And Tyson was made to order for Tua, same height and reach, except Tua was stronger and hit harder, and Tyson would come right to him where that chin would be begging for Tua's left hook.
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. Those guys were big and strong, but didn't hit nearly as hard as Tyson. And how dare you say Tua hit harder than Tyson. lol

Look how easily Tyson was stopped against Danny Williams (lol) and Kevin McBride (????) in his last two fights.
Your a riot man!!! LOL I'll bet you think Marciano was better than Louis because he knocked him out.

Your a riot man!!! LOL I'll bet you think Marciano was better than Louis because he knocked him out.

Of course not, even though Louis at 37 wasn't as ancient as people make him out to be and Louis himself admitted Marciano would have been trouble even in his prime. Watch Louis/SchmellingI if you think Louis was invincible. Obviously Tyson would have owned the last 2 that knocked him out, when he was in his prime, BUT they did show that his chin was not exactly granite, like Tua's was.

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. Those guys were big and strong, but didn't hit nearly as hard as Tyson. And how dare you say Tua hit harder than Tyson. lol

"Lennox Lewis didn't hit nearly as hard as Tyson." Now you are just being silly.

That's your opinion and I respect that, doesn't make it fact though. I am curious how you think Tyson would have done against primes Foreman and Liston though.

Didn't mean to display opinion as fact regarding Tyson/Tua.


I think Tyson would have loads of trouble with guys in the Liston/Foreman vein. They rely on that hard, jackhammer type jab to set up their other power shots and on a guy coming in constantly like Tyson that could be big time trouble.

I think Foreman would likely KO Tyson and Liston may have a pretty good chance at it as well. Both hit very hard, had great jabs and great reach and were at their absolute best when they had a smaller swarming fighter in front of them.

Tua/Tyson wouldn't be anywhere similar because they are the same type, Tyson being the better version of the two.

Didn't mean to display opinion as fact regarding Tyson/Tua.


I think Tyson would have loads of trouble with guys in the Liston/Foreman vein. They rely on that hard, jackhammer type jab to set up their other power shots and on a guy coming in constantly like Tyson that could be big time trouble.

I think Foreman would likely KO Tyson and Liston may have a pretty good chance at it as well. Both hit very hard, had great jabs and great reach and were at their absolute best when they had a smaller swarming fighter in front of them.

Tua/Tyson wouldn't be anywhere similar because they are the same type, Tyson being the better version of the two.

I agree that a young Foreman KO's Tyson and Tyson would have had his hands full with Liston, who had a sick reach for 6'1" and a pretty damn good jaw. Tyson is a smaller but faster and with better boxing skills and defence than Tua, I just think Tua's jaw and power inside evens the playing field. Obviously I don't mortgage my house betting on Tua, I just think it would make for a great fight and would be a lot closer than most people think.

We never get anywhere in these threads but it's fun. lol

Tyson is a smaller but faster and with better boxing skills and defence than Tua, I just think Tua's jaw and power inside evens the playing field. Obviously I don't mortgage my house betting on Tua, I just think it would make for a great fight and would be a lot closer than most people think.

It may very do that. I think Tua would have a puncher's chance and if it got past the first 3-4 rounds Tua's chances would go up dramatically. Historically, once Tyson sees he can't knock someone out with his first assaults it eats at his will and confidence and he morphs into a different type of fighter.

A Tyson with less confidence, who in turn becomes more stationary and easier to hit, would be ripe pickings for Tua.

We never get anywhere in these threads but it's fun. lol

Yeah, its great fun. Well that is until someone acts like the prototypical punk and starts flaming people for not agreeing with their opinion. Thats when it sucks.

Historically, once Tyson sees he can't knock someone out with his first assaults it eats at his will and confidence and he morphs into a different type of fighter.
How dare you even suggest such a thing. lol I think Tyson would come out and really look for the knockout early. If he realized he was in for a long fight, he would calm down and pace himself. The only fights Tyson became sluggish in, came after Rooney.

How dare you even suggest such a thing. lol I think Tyson would come out and really look for the knockout early. If he realized he was in for a long fight, he would calm down and pace himself. The only fights Tyson became sluggish in, came after Rooney.


Rooney is the one who said Tyson became rattled when he couldn't get someone out in the first 3-4 rounds. He said at times he became so frustrated he seemed like he wanted to quit. Atlas said that as well.

Rooney is the one who said Tyson became rattled when he couldn't get someone out in the first 3-4 rounds. He said at times he became so frustrated he seemed like he wanted to quit. Atlas said that as well.
Yeah, but it's tough to go by what they said because they were both told to take a hike, thus losing probably millions of dolors as a result. But, I'll be the first to admit he wasn't perfect.

Yeah, but it's tough to go by what they said because they were both told to take a hike, thus losing probably millions of dolors as a result. But, I'll be the first to admit he wasn't perfect.

I'm sure Teddy had a vendetta, but I think Rooney truthfully cared and wanted to take care of Mike. If it hadn't been for Robin Givens none of this garbage would have happened.

I'm sure Teddy had a vendetta, but I think Rooney truthfully cared and wanted to take care of Mike. If it hadn't been for Robin Givens none of this garbage would have happened.
I think as the years went on and Rooney seen that Tyson wasn't going to hire him back, he began to resent Mike. Yep, that ***** messed everything up. lol

We never get anywhere in these threads but it's fun. lol

Well, if I can get one new person to watch the Tua/Ruiz fight (especially the people who hate Ruiz) or the Tua/Moorer fight, I'll be happy. Plus I've changed my initial opinion about Tua smoking Tyson.

Well, if I can get one new person to watch the Tua/Ruiz fight (especially the people who hate Ruiz) or the Tua/Moorer fight, I'll be happy. Plus I've changed my initial opinion about Tua smoking Tyson.

To be honest, and frank, those two fights aren't a major accomplishment when arguing the greatness of a fighter. Michael Moore, even thought he beat Holyfield, never was much at heavyweight and Ruiz...well his resume speaks for itself.

Lewis was starting to go down at that point, his second to last fight, and you saw how bad he looked against Vitali Klitschko in his next fight. Look how easily Tyson was stopped against Danny Williams (lol) and Kevin McBride (????) in his last two fights. Not to mention against Holyfield, not the world's biggest puncher. You talk about Douglas having trouble, but Douglas was a BUM, who shouldn't have even qualified for a title shot. You saw how easily Holyfield disposed of him in his next fight.


Doesnt mean lewis cant punch,im sure uve heard thats the last thing a boxer loses. Agsint Williams tyson had Knee ligament damage, and he quit against McBride and wasnt knocked down. And holyfield was hitting him constantly he went down by once balance shot and thats it!. Douglas was soo out of shape against holyfield. If your talking about titles now..how many has Tua won! (worth talking about). He is in the worst era of boxing and has one nothing. This is really a pointless talk, its just annoying me

Doesnt mean lewis cant punch,im sure uve heard thats the last thing a boxer loses. Agsint Williams tyson had Knee ligament damage, and he quit against McBride and wasnt knocked down. And holyfield was hitting him constantly he went down by once balance shot and thats it!. Douglas was soo out of shape against holyfield. If your talking about titles now..how many has Tua won! (worth talking about). He is in the worst era of boxing and has one nothing. This is really a pointless talk, its just annoying me

Tua doesn't have the ability to cope with Tyson of '87. The only thing he has is power and a good chin. People use the Ike fight as a measuring stick but Tyson is a whole different animal than Ike ever was.

Totally Agree

Well, if I can get one new person to watch the Tua/Ruiz fight (especially the people who hate Ruiz) or the Tua/Moorer fight, I'll be happy.
I agree, those are "need to see fights" especially the Ruiz fight.

Tua doesn't have the ability to cope with Tyson of '87. The only thing he has is power and a good chin. People use the Ike fight as a measuring stick but Tyson is a whole different animal than Ike ever was.

Hard to judge Ike though, since his career was cut short after only 20 fights. He had already put a serious hurt on a young Chris Byrd, who was a pretty damn good boxer back then. Who knows how great Ike would have been? I have him as another boxer that would give "Iron" Mike troubles.

Hard to judge Ike though, since his career was cut short after only 20 fights. He had already put a serious hurt on a young Chris Byrd, who was a pretty damn good boxer back then. Who knows how great Ike would have been? I have him as another boxer that would give "Iron" Mike troubles.

Well, I meant he is a totally different type of fighter than Mike. Plus he was too young in his career to compare him to Tyson in anyway.

Tucker a club fighter? he was undefeated like 34-0 before he fought Tyson, and Bruno is considered one of the hardest punchers to date (on a PSI machine)

John Ruiz was far worse than anyone Tyson fought.

An how many rounds did Bruno stick with Lewis..?

what score did bruno get on the psi machine?.

John Ruiz was far worse than anyone Tyson fought.

Would you like me to list Tysons early tomatoe cans that were FAR FAR inferior to Ruiz?

I'm not so sure, Tua had a chin of granite, and Tyson would come right to him. Yeah Tyson was faster, but Tua was stronger. It would be an exciting fight either way.

Does he have a granite body? Tyson was known as a good bodypuncher in his prime.

Does he have a granite body? Tyson was known as a good bodypuncher in his prime.

No way Tyson is punching through all that belly fat. Lol J/K, good point.

Would you like me to list Tysons early tomatoe cans that were FAR FAR inferior to Ruiz?

The first 10 fighters tua fought all had losing records! and were awful. How does that work comparing one of the bet fighters tua fought to the early fighters tyson fought!

The first 10 fighters tua fought all had losing records! and were awful. How does that work comparing one of the bet fighters tua fought to the early fighters tyson fought!

That was in response to a statement from Apples that Ruiz was far worse than ANYONE that Tyson fought. And 99% of fighters out there pad their record, at LEAST their first 10 fights with bums. Hell Tyrone Brunson is 18-0 with 18 first round KOs but only one of them had a winning record.