View Full Version : calzaghe best of british!


kamicazze
11-06-2007, 12:35 PM
is calzaghe the best british fighter ever??? if not who is??? and dont say buchanan or cooper or old fighters who were never world champions!

QuCongee
11-06-2007, 12:42 PM
He definitely is lol

I also liked Nigel Benn a lot though.

-CANE-
11-06-2007, 01:06 PM
I think he is followed by Lennox Lewis

F.O.S
11-06-2007, 01:21 PM
10. Nigel Benn - Middleweight/super middleweight
Ilford, Essex (1987-96; 42-5-1, 35KOs; WBO middleweight champion 1990, WBC super middleweight champion 1992-96)
"The Dark Destroyer" was a relentless power-puncher who knocked out his first 21 opponents before Michael Watson flattened him in 1989. Benn won the WBO middleweight crown in 1990 but lost it to arch-rival Chris Eubank before ruling at 12 stone between 1992-96.

9. John Conteh - Light heavyweight
Liverpool (1971-80; 34-4-1, 28KOs; WBC champion 1974-77)
British boxing's pin-up boy in the 1970s, Conteh outpointed Jorge Ahamuda for the vacant WBC title in 1974 before defending three times. A hand injury forced him to vacate and he failed three times to regain it, twice against the gifted Matthew Saad Muhammad.

8. Ricky Hatton - Light-W/Welterweight
Manchester (1997 -?; 43-0; 31KO's; WBA World Welterweight Champion,
WBA/WBO Inter-Continental Light Welterweight Champion)
Hatton agreed terms on Friday July 27, for a December 8, 2007 welterweight fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr, The MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas was announced as the venue.

7. Lloyd Honeyghan - Welterweight
London (1980-95; 43-5, 31KOs; undisputed champion 1986, WBC/IBF champion 1986-87, WBC champion 1988-89)
In perhaps the biggest upset in British boxing history, "The Ragamuffin Man" shocked Don Curry to win the undisputed crown in 1986 and proved he was the real deal by defending three times, losing, then winning the title for a second time in 1988.

6. Howard Winstone - Featherweight
Merthyr Tydfil (1959-68; 61-6, 27KOs; WBC champion 1968)
If Winstone had not lost the tips of three fingers on his right hand as a teenager, he may have been the greatest featherweight ever. A stylish fighter, he lost three epics with Mexican great Vincente Saldivar before winning the world title from Mitsunori Seki in 1968.

5. Naseem Hamed - Featherweight
Sheffield (1992-2002; 36-1, 31KOs; WBO champion 1995-2000, IBF champion 1997, WBC champion 1999)
While some dwell on what could have been, others prefer to remember the excitement Hamed brought to British rings, his 16 world-title bouts and the fact he beat some of the best nine-stoners of his era before running into a prime Marco Antonio Barrera in 2001.

4. Barry McGuigan * - Featherweight
Clones, Ireland (1981-89; 32-3, 28KOs; WBA champion 1985-86)
A great pressure fighter, the "Clones Cyclone" won the WBA title from Eusebio Pedroza in 1985 and defended just twice before being mugged in the Las Vegas desert barely one year later. Tremendously popular, the only regret is his career could have been even greater.

3. Lennox Lewis - Heavyweight
London (1989-2003; 41-2-1, 32KOs; WBC champion 1993-94, 1997, undisputed champion 1999-2003)
Lewis was the finest heavyweight of his generation and, despite his Canadian twang, avowedly British. He won the WBC crown in 1993 and retired as undisputed champion 10 years later having beaten Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson and Vitali Klitschko and lost only twice.

2. Ken Buchanan - Lightweight
Edinburgh (1965-82; 61-8, 27KOs; WBA champion 1970, undisputed champion 1971-72)
Buchanan beat Ismael Laguna for the WBA lightweight title in 1970 and defended the title twice before losing to another Panamanian legend Roberto Duran in 1972. Buchanan also beat Carlos Hernandez, Carlos Ortiz and fellow Scot Jim Watt in a stellar career.

:boxing: 1. Joe Calzaghe:boxing: - Super Middleweight
Cwmbran, Wales (1993-?; 44-0, 32KO's; Undisputed WBO/WBA/WBC Champion Nov 2007.
Next fight Bernard Hopkins ???

* McGuigan was actually born in Clones, the Republic of Ireland, but is a British citizen and a former British champion.

PeROxiDE
11-06-2007, 01:45 PM
Thats a pretty definitive list you got there, you might have spent maybe a little too long thinking about it but hats off to you, cant fault a single thing you said. And in response to the original question, yes, Calzaghe is the best British boxer of all time.

Kivian
11-06-2007, 05:52 PM
He might be. In my opinion this is a bit too early to judge this, we should wait with this till he's retired. I still count Lennox Lewis as the best British boxer ever but Calzaghe is gettin really close. And yet there is Hatton who is doing really good. Joe is one of my fav fighters but I dont think he deserves this title... yet.

Ironside
11-06-2007, 06:17 PM
Maybe, I personally think Lewis is the best british fighter ever, but Calzaghe is a close second.

gunter
11-06-2007, 06:25 PM
Yes he has to be good to have beaten Mikkel Kessler, but not as good as Anthony The Man Mundine. I take my hat of to him.

Shanus
11-06-2007, 06:39 PM
Yes he has to be good to have beaten Mikkel Kessler, but not as good as Anthony The Man Mundine. I take my hat of to him.

You do realise that Mikkel Kessler dominated Mundine with a bad back, don't you?

It's a toss up between Calzaghe and Lewis at the moment, but if Calzaghe beats Hopkin it'll be Calzaghe for definite.

robjr
11-06-2007, 07:11 PM
You do realise that Mikkel Kessler dominated Mundine with a bad back, don't you?

It's a toss up between Calzaghe and Lewis at the moment, but if Calzaghe beats Hopkin it'll be Calzaghe for definite.

I agree with this post.

kamicazze
11-07-2007, 06:07 AM
if only hed fought benn and collins aswell! its the tucker pudwills and evans ashira that diminish his record! but at the same time you can only beat who is in front of you! p.s. sakio bika is contender champion after losing to calzaghe! in many years we may look back and say he beat 2 world champs in bika and manfredo

mickeyb
11-07-2007, 07:23 AM
I believe a prime Michael Watson or Benn would get the better of Calzaghe.

Besides - i don't think Calzaghe is the best fighter of the current crop. Hatton for no.1 British fighter.

Hatton beating Tszyu > Calzone and Kessler.

F.O.S
11-07-2007, 08:10 AM
Nigel Benn could never go the distance imo, not without looking like absolute **** !

me2007
11-07-2007, 08:25 AM
I think Calzaghe is the most complete SMW britain has prodcued. I would back him to beat Eubank, Benn, Collins and Watson.

He's a hybrid of all three, he can slug it out, he can box and he has the ability to switch styles during the fight.

feed-the-goat
11-12-2007, 12:16 AM
If Hattton beats Mayweather then he's no 1 British fighter of all time

slicksouthpaw16
11-12-2007, 05:50 AM
i think he is. 21 title defenses, no losses and still beating undefeated champions in their prime.

col Blake
11-12-2007, 11:15 AM
If Joe the slapper is the best of british then it's a sad day for Britain, no way is he as good as Benn, would'nt stand a chance against the Benn who fought gerald mcclelland, Joe has had no intrest in winning WBC,WBA,IBF in his first 6 or 7 years as WBO ( nobody gives a **** over) champ, thick as **** Welsh will pay over the odds to see the sad sack of **** take a piss, thats why he never went for unifacation until now. Wank Warren protected his prize asset for years same as Hamed and the other WBO chumps, i think Frank has been bumming them.

Burning Desire
11-12-2007, 11:20 AM
Herol Graham would probably give Calzaghe the most trouble followed by the Watson who fought Eubank in the 2nd fight he was like a machine that night.

col Blake
11-12-2007, 11:23 AM
Herol Graham would probably give Calzaghe the most trouble followed by the Watson who fought Eubank in the 2nd fight he was like a machine that night.
prob with Bomber graham was he always got tagged near the end of the fight, but yes he would have given him a **** load of probs, Eubank and Benn both ducked him.

kamicazze
11-12-2007, 12:56 PM
Honestly Benn Is Tailor Made For Calzaghe! And Collins Would B Very Much The Same As Lacy! As Watson Would Be Overmatched! Sven Ottke Avoided Calzaghe Like A Bullet! But Warren Has Given Him A Lot Of ****ty Opponents I.e. Tucker Pudwill, Evans Ashira, Miguel Jimenez And So On! At The Same Time Woodhall,reid,mitchell,eubank,brewer,bika,lacy, And Kessler Cannot Be Disbuted! Although Id Rather See A Name Like Hopkins And Wright Down Instead Of Will Mcintyre Lol!

jayfelice
11-12-2007, 07:00 PM
He might be the best boxer of all time if he adds more names to his resume. If he fought and beat chad dawson!!! I would rank him as one of the best of all time because theres no question in my mind that Chad Dawson is a great fighter.

slicksouthpaw16
11-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Honestly Benn Is Tailor Made For Calzaghe! And Collins Would B Very Much The Same As Lacy! As Watson Would Be Overmatched! Sven Ottke Avoided Calzaghe Like A Bullet! But Warren Has Given Him A Lot Of ****ty Opponents I.e. Tucker Pudwill, Evans Ashira, Miguel Jimenez And So On! At The Same Time Woodhall,reid,mitchell,eubank,brewer,bika,lacy, And Kessler Cannot Be Disbuted! Although Id Rather See A Name Like Hopkins And Wright Down Instead Of Will Mcintyre Lol!

i agree. it would probably be similar to the Calzaghe-Lacy fight. Benn only had a punchers chance and he faded late. Calzaghe feasts on people who only has a punchers chance. you need to be able to out box or out work Calzaghe in order to beat him.

NO FEAR
11-13-2007, 01:57 AM
You do realise that Mikkel Kessler dominated Mundine with a bad back, don't you?

It's a toss up between Calzaghe and Lewis at the moment, but if Calzaghe beats Hopkin it'll be Calzaghe for definite.
I agree with this post.
Me three. :cool2:

Ricky Hatton's record is trashy, he has more than his fair share of Tocker Pudwills in there. If Hatton beats Mayweather I'd say that puts him 3rd behind Lewis and Calzaghe. At the moment Calzaghe is 2nd. If he beats Hopkins that'd put him top.

kamicazze
11-13-2007, 09:15 AM
yes exactly and lets not forget that hatton did not get a lagit title until his 39th fight! calzaghe was his 23rd fight big diference! and hattons been fed ray oliveira, michael stewart and so on! so counter puncher made a valid point! if something calzaghes opponents to date are better than hattons! and calzaghe was and is so far ahead of the rest of the division i is hard to give him competitive matches! heres a hatton calzaghe debate for you!
sven ottke sd byron mitchell - calzaghe tko2 byron mitchell
hatton tko9 carlos maussa - victor ortiz k01 carlos maussa

Ryn0
11-13-2007, 05:12 PM
i'm sorry but as great as zag is he comes behind jimmy wilde 131 wins 3 losses 99 KO's 2 draws 13 no contests

The Noose
11-13-2007, 06:44 PM
What about Jimmy Wilde? Won 137 (KO 99) lost only 5.
Heavyweight champion Gene Tunney lauded Jimmy Wilde as "the greatest fighter I ever saw."

Burning Desire
11-13-2007, 07:17 PM
i agree. it would probably be similar to the Calzaghe-Lacy fight. Benn only had a punchers chance and he faded late. Calzaghe feasts on people who only has a punchers chance. you need to be able to out box or out work Calzaghe in order to beat him.

Sorry but i disagree it would be nothing like Lacy vs Calzaghe, Benn had good headmovement unlike Lacy and underrated boxing skills i would give Benn a good chance against Calzaghe especially the Benn who fought Gerald McClellan.

Burning Desire
11-13-2007, 07:19 PM
i'm sorry but as great as zag is he comes behind jimmy wilde 131 wins 3 losses 99 KO's 2 draws 13 no contests

Thank you finally i have been saying this in most threads about Jimmy Wilde he used to KO guys about 2 stone heavier than him.

col Blake
11-14-2007, 12:15 PM
yes exactly and lets not forget that hatton did not get a lagit title until his 39th fight! calzaghe was his 23rd fight big diference! and hattons been fed ray oliveira, michael stewart and so on! so counter puncher made a valid point! if something calzaghes opponents to date are better than hattons! and calzaghe was and is so far ahead of the rest of the division i is hard to give him competitive matches! heres a hatton calzaghe debate for you!
sven ottke sd byron mitchell - calzaghe tko2 byron mitchell
hatton tko9 carlos maussa - victor ortiz k01 carlos maussa
you really think the WBO is a legit title, what drugs are you on, not only that Joe the slapper was given an easy fight for a vacant british title against a complete tosser(fix) and he fought for a vacant WBO against a twice beaten Eubank, so it was'nt until he fought Lacy did he win a proper title fare and square.

kamicazze
11-14-2007, 07:43 PM
come off it he beat 6 world champions before lacy! and was all set to face roy ones in 2005 until roy inexpicably pulled out ( on the flipside , glen johnson came in on 3 weeks notice and calzaghe pulled out) see i am unbiased lol! and hopkins doubelling his demands is lagit! and collins vacated to avoid calzaghe! but there are many stories going around simply made up by frank warren to save his own face! and look at the wbo's holders in every divison! id call it lagit!

jayfelice
11-14-2007, 07:46 PM
come off it he beat 6 world champions before lacy! and was all set to face roy ones in 2005 until roy inexpicably pulled out ( on the flipside , glen johnson came in on 3 weeks notice and calzaghe pulled out) see i am unbiased lol! and hopkins doubelling his demands is lagit! and collins vacated to avoid calzaghe! but there are many stories going around simply made up by frank warren to save his own face! and look at the wbo's holders in every divison! id call it lagit!

glen johnson has like 10 losses, even if they were robbery Calzaghe had nothing to gain from fighting johnson. Johnson is a good fighter but he was robbed so many times that his resume looks like crap. So, in the history books it would say Calzaghe beat a guy who was beaten 10-11 times already

kamicazze
11-15-2007, 07:13 AM
johnson had beaten tarver and jones though!

col Blake
11-15-2007, 11:33 AM
is this the time Joe had a mystery back problem, rumour had it he duffed up his misses, then faked injury, he did duck Johnson when he seen him beat Jones and Tavner.
no time for wife beating scumbags

PeROxiDE
11-15-2007, 11:50 AM
is this the time Joe had a mystery back problem, rumour had it he duffed up his misses, then faked injury, he did duck Johnson when he seen him beat Jones and Tavner.
no time for wife beating scumbags

In much the same way as Jones and Hopkins ducked Calzaghe? Equal and fair criticism for doing the same things plz.

I also have little time for certain people, namely the kind who form biased opinions based on nothing but heresay.

col Blake
11-15-2007, 11:57 AM
Hopkins is one of the biggest fight duckers in boxing, lets his mouth run off but has ducked almost everybody, like Joe, he picked his time just right to avoid the best, McCallum was the same, Eubank another, lets hope Haye, Enzo and Hatton take the same route as the great Lennex Lewis and duck no-one

kamicazze
11-16-2007, 12:42 PM
col blake seems to despise joe! everyone else are giving unbiased views

kerrminator
11-17-2007, 09:33 PM
is calzaghe the best british fighter ever??? if not who is??? and dont say buchanan or cooper or old fighters who were never world champions!
Thts like asking whats two plus two but your not allowed to say four.

ANDY HARRIS
11-18-2007, 06:23 AM
For me joe is the best british fighter of all time :banana:

col Blake
11-18-2007, 06:28 AM
For me joe is the best british fighter of all time :banana:
evryone is entitled to there opinion, I think your wrong though but what the hell, is long is eveyone keeps talking boxing continues, as the greatest sport out there.

Brian13
12-07-2007, 11:15 AM
Calzaghe is defintely not the best british fighter ever,