View Full Version : What's the worst judges' decision of the year?


neils7147933
09-21-2004, 08:44 PM
Oscar De La Hoya-Felix Sturm? Rico Hoye-Montell Griffin? Chris Byrd-Andrew Golota? Sechew Powell-Grady Brewer? Lamon Brewster-Kali Meehan? Or is it another one?

I would saw Hoye-Griffin, because that fight wasn't even close and the wrong guy won.

SonnyG8R
09-21-2004, 08:53 PM
Oscar De La Hoya-Felix Sturm? Rico Hoye-Montell Griffin? Chris Byrd-Andrew Golota? Sechew Powell-Grady Brewer? Or is it another one?

I would saw Hoye-Griffin, because that fight wasn't even close and the wrong guy won.

I didn't see the Hoye-Griffin fight. I did think De La Hoya got a gift against Sturm, and I thought Margarito got screwed against Santos although both those fights were pretty close.

neils7147933
09-21-2004, 08:54 PM
I edited the original post to include Lamon Brewster-Kali Meehan. I didn't want to forget that recent one.

mic573
09-21-2004, 09:01 PM
Out of the ones you named I would say Griffen/Hoye. The others were close fights.

psychopath
09-21-2004, 09:02 PM
Oscar De La Hoya-Felix Sturm? Rico Hoye-Montell Griffin? Chris Byrd-Andrew Golota? Sechew Powell-Grady Brewer? Lamon Brewster-Kali Meehan? Or is it another one?

I would saw Hoye-Griffin, because that fight wasn't even close and the wrong guy won.

Everytime we see a close fight the win goes to the named fighter as in the clear case of DLH/Sturm fight.

I'll vote for that.

NiGe2011
09-21-2004, 09:03 PM
Emanual Augustus VS Courtney Burton was the worst decision of the year in my opinion- that fight was one sided in Agustus's favor no matter who was looking at it!

neils7147933
09-21-2004, 09:04 PM
Thanks for the answer; I didn't see that one.

deuce_drop
09-21-2004, 09:56 PM
Emanual Augustus VS Courtney Burton was the worst decision of the year in my opinion- that fight was one sided in Agustus's favor no matter who was looking at it!

true true. Augutus got robbed on national t.v., and all the others mentioned are pretty much on the money too.

The Fix
09-21-2004, 11:05 PM
garr vs vanda was bad .....i think that was this year?

mic573
09-21-2004, 11:15 PM
I forgot about Garr/Vanda that one was a very bad decision. Augustus/Burton slipped my mind also. I change my answer Augustus/Burton was the worst this year.

Eyeh8you
09-21-2004, 11:23 PM
Has too be Pac JMM
i mean the judge even admits that he fuked up and didnt think he could score it 6-10!!!!! Still they don't overturn it. I mean those ******s screwed over that mango eater bad!! one of the worst things I have saw.

QueenCity
09-21-2004, 11:32 PM
Yeah, Augustus/Buton has to be the worst decision all year in my book. the judges couldn't even call the decison right, they said it was a majority decison when it was actully a Spilt decision.

Hoye/Griffin was also bad, I don't see Hoye win but one or two rounds. Other than that he was getting taught a boxing lesson the whole night.

QueenCity
09-21-2004, 11:36 PM
Has too be Pac JMM
i mean the judge even admits that he fuked up and didnt think he could score it 6-10!!!!! Still they don't overturn it. I mean those ******s screwed over that mango eater bad!! one of the worst things I have saw.

I know it, a judge should be perminity banned for not understanding how to score a fight-- that's what he there to do.

Cleary23
09-22-2004, 01:02 AM
Emanual Augustus VS Courtney Burton was the worst decision of the year in my opinion- that fight was one sided in Agustus's favor no matter who was looking at it!


I'm going to have to go with this one but I didnt hear about the griffin - hoye match what happneed?

NiGe2011
09-23-2004, 02:40 AM
Griffin frustrated Hoye all night, never really letting him start to get rolling and the judges handed Hoye the decision- Griffin bolted from the ring as soon as he heard and even Hoye's people looked like they were shocked to have gotten the win.

mr. bojangles
09-23-2004, 03:28 AM
Has too be Pac JMM
i mean the judge even admits that he fuked up and didnt think he could score it 6-10!!!!! Still they don't overturn it. I mean those ******s screwed over that mango eater bad!! one of the worst things I have saw.

I agree on that bro. 1 judge admitted his blunder already.

Next has to be the gift decision to Rocky Juarez, too bad for Raheem.

PacKillsMorales
09-23-2004, 04:59 AM
Emanual Augustus VS Courtney Burton was the worst decision of the year in my opinion- that fight was one sided in Agustus's favor no matter who was looking at it!

first time i ever saw augustus...what an entertaining fighter..and yes a hometown decision that bad should of got boos from the home crowd

personally if my home side lost 50 nil in the football i wouldnt say it was a win for my side...but somehow judges can :D :) :D

PacKillsMorales
09-23-2004, 05:06 AM
I know it, a judge should be perminity banned for not understanding how to score a fight-- that's what he there to do.
he also said a nevada official had told him 10-6 rds were frowned upon...if theres even a grain of truth in that they must of been expecting fast start by pac with multiple knockdowns. how many fights have you seen with 10-6 rounds...not enough to make that call

either some bs excuse the judge came up with or some mega conspriracy
maybe involving mind control, cheap ass sock stores and greasy mexican boots :D :D :D

Palma
09-23-2004, 09:08 AM
Oscar vs. Felix Strum, Oscar vs. Mosley II, RJJ vs. Tarver I

Explosivo
09-23-2004, 10:25 AM
Oscar Vs. Mosley II of the fights I have seen this year.

Dark Destroyer
09-23-2004, 10:35 AM
I'll say the Oscar-Mosley 2 fight purely because most people thought Oscar had won that fight. Shane looked so pissed off at the end waitng for that result, he looked like a beaten man. I remember watching that fight with my friends and most of them aren't bothered about boxing and even they thought Oscar had won. He wasn't given a fair decision there. You can always count on the judges to mess things up, luckily Oscar had a big enough reputation to be able to bounce back from that loss and land a good fight.
I have to mention the Marquez-Pcaman fight too, i thought Marquez had just taken that fight. I was so shocked to see how he turned that fight around from that dreadful first round. It's fighters like Marquez that make the term "Heart" just.

urdaddyinAZ
09-23-2004, 11:12 AM
For my money I'll take Juarez/Raheem......combination of the horrendous referee and the fact that Raheem still won in my mind despite having all the points taken. That Griffin fight the other night was disgusting too.

dberce1
09-23-2004, 11:34 AM
definitely sturm/delahoya

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urdaddyinAZ
09-23-2004, 12:18 PM
I just don't see how people can have Sturm-DLH as their number one. The fight was super close, but I just don't see it as a travesty. I have watched over and over again and I still have DLH winning by the narrowest of margins. Even if I had it the other way, I wouldn't find it appauling. Same with JMM-Pacman....I had PAC winning but a draw wasn't so off base that I was pissed off. Watch the Burton.....Griffin...and Raheem fights and you'll some serious BS. These other two fights just are stuck in people's mind cause they involved big names.

mic573
09-23-2004, 12:30 PM
The Delahoya/Sturm fight was close as was the Pacquiao/Marquez fight. I had Sturm winning the fight by either 116-112 or 115-113. It always flip flops between those to scores. I have Marquez beating Pac everytime I scored that fight though it was close. There were times I came up with a draw 113-113. All the scores with the 10-6 first round. The Raheem fight I feel was closer than what people say. I thought Raheem won but with the deductions I had Juarez winning.

m00ks
09-23-2004, 02:24 PM
For the Pac-JMM, I had Pac winning 114-111 everytime I scored. Once I went as close as 113-112 but still for Pac. It was the 3 point first round that really hurt JMM.

As for the judge who scored that round 10-7. I just don't get it. Give a boxer his due. Had he knocked down JMM twice, the score would have still been 10-7. So why did he close his eyes for the third knockdown and denied Pac of that point that was well earned. Don't make sense to me.

Also why I think JMM-Pac had the worst scoring is because of the discrepancy in both cards. I mean one had it 115-110 for Pac and the other 115-110 JMM. That means they saw the fight completely different. 10 point difference between both cards!! As fans I would understand. But as judges? Come on...

teakay
09-23-2004, 05:01 PM
The Augustus fight was the worse. It was like the Roy Jones loss in the Olympics, pure BS.

The Pac-Marquez fight was a bad decison. 115-110 Marquez??? Why where Pac's people pissed, and Marquez's people okay with the decision?

A knockdown = minus 1 point, that's part of the rules. Not taking the point is just like scoring a touchdown and not getting points for it.

psychopath
09-23-2004, 09:05 PM
I know it, a judge should be perminity banned for not understanding how to score a fight-- that's what he there to do.


:D Everybody has their eyes on that SENILE JUDGE . . . what about stupid Cortez . . . he should be under an inquiry rightnow for failing to deduct a point after so many low blow warnings . . . the rule is very very clear on this one . . . a violation of the same after two warnings should results in a point deduction.

Knowing boxing for so long . . .In a fight of such big stature . . . It's unbelievable that a Ref and a JUDGE would **** UP BIGTIME at the same time. :rolleyes:

m00ks
09-23-2004, 11:37 PM
:D Everybody has their eyes on that SENILE JUDGE . . . what about stupid Cortez . . . he should be under an inquiry rightnow for failing to deduct a point after so many low blow warnings . . . the rule is very very clear on this one . . . a violation of the same after two warnings should results in a point deduction.

Knowing boxing for so long . . .In a fight of such big stature . . . It's unbelievable that a Ref and a JUDGE would **** UP BIGTIME at the same time. :rolleyes:

There was also the question of to what language teh ref should count on. Cortez counted slow to me. In spanish also, more syllables.

THRILLAinmanila
10-11-2004, 01:51 AM
PAQUIAO-Marquez

The nod should have been to the PacMan.

Sir_Jose
10-11-2004, 01:54 AM
what people dont seem to get is that there is a difference between a close fight and a robbery

Burton/Augustus was BY FAR the worst of the year

Pound4Pound1986
10-11-2004, 02:05 AM
what people dont seem to get is that there is a difference between a close fight and a robbery

Burton/Augustus was BY FAR the worst of the year
yea i have to agree with you and they didnt even know how to call fights

Hurlex
10-11-2004, 02:08 AM
augustus hands down

right behind him is the santos/margarito robbery in Puerto rico

also sturm got robbed bad...sturm had almost 100 punches connected more then dlh

chito
10-11-2004, 07:09 AM
to me, it was felix sturm-oscar dela hoya fight! just because dela hoya-hopkins fight is waiting there at the side, they would let this happen and award the fight to dela hoya? if we watch the tape again, sturm was the clear winner there so i am voting for this fight! no controversy for pac-man and marquez, it was a close call but the judge who admitted he made a mistake judging for a 10-7 count should be banned! i don't get it why he admitted it although the fight was over and the decision has already been given to the fight. he should have sticked to his previous judgement which is 10-7!

psychopath
10-11-2004, 07:10 PM
to me, it was felix sturm-oscar dela hoya fight! just because dela hoya-hopkins fight is waiting there at the side, they would let this happen and award the fight to dela hoya? if we watch the tape again, sturm was the clear winner there so i am voting for this fight! no controversy for pac-man and marquez, it was a close call but the judge who admitted he made a mistake judging for a 10-7 count should be banned! i don't get it why he admitted it although the fight was over and the decision has already been given to the fight. he should have sticked to his previous judgement which is 10-7!


Why the judge admitted it? Well because sooner or later that mistake gonna be discovered and brought out in the open. If he didn't admit it as early as he did, that judge is going to be accused of altering the result of the fight intentionally. He wanted to clear his name and put that incident as a case of plain and simple error.

Controversy on that Pacquiao/Marquez fight? Well I will go back to my original contention, it is still unbelievable and unacceptable for me to accept that the REF and a JUDGE would screw up big time at the same time in a fight of such magnitude and stature. It's hard to prove anything so that will stay as is . . . and who's the promoter for that DLH/Sturm fight? . . .suprised? I just hope and pray that Arum suffers a heart attack that would paralize half of his body . . . . no I don't want him dead yet . . . I want him to suffer as payback for the injustices he had commited against the fighters and the sport.

ELPacman
10-13-2004, 07:00 PM
Yeah Pac-Marquez has to take my vote of course though without a doubt I'll never forget Juarez-Raheem. Jaurez got saved by the ref without a doubt. I'm sure that ref will be banned. It was disgusting watching it. Maybe the ref wanted to get popular or something because he was the main focus once he got into the habit of yelling at Raheem every 10 seconds.

As for the Pac-Marquez scoring. Ya know it was a close fight though in the end where it matters, if you score everything properly, Pac should have gotten the win. Making these Oops, I didn't know I was suppose to do that or, people usually don't give 10-6s, that's just bad for the sport. Boxing is a hard sport as is with all the corruption. With a judge admitting his wrong scoring AFTER the fight just takes that to the next level. I'll tell you this though, Arum is very good at protecting his fighters...

dempseyfire
10-13-2004, 08:33 PM
A REAL robbery is the Burton fight. COme on, Marquez-Pacman and Byrd-Golota were close fights and were not clear robberies at all. Just b/c your favorite fighter is in a close fight doesn't mean he won . . .

Sir_Jose
10-13-2004, 08:39 PM
A REAL robbery is the Burton fight. COme on, Marquez-Pacman and Byrd-Golota were close fights and were not clear robberies at all. Just b/c your favorite fighter is in a close fight doesn't mean he won . . .


exactly

people who dont know boxing dont understand the difference between a close fight and a robbery

phallus
10-13-2004, 09:32 PM
No question, Augustus vs. Burton was the worst case of home
cooking i've seen in years. I saw that fight, several rounds went by without Burton landing a single punch and they had him winning. BULL****!!! ...Also Byrd - Oquendo, Byrd lost that fight and the judges gave him an early Xmas present

Swifty
12-03-2004, 06:28 AM
Sturm vs DLH. That was a straight fuking robbery

bchynn
12-03-2004, 01:12 PM
Emanual Augustus VS Courtney Burton was the worst decision of the year in my opinion- that fight was one sided in Agustus's favor no matter who was looking at it!

That's the only one I saw out of the choices above, so I'd go for that.

P@pasmurf
12-03-2004, 01:27 PM
golota-ruiz. terible terible day