If you teach a great BJJ artist some basic Muay Thai movements and masters it , then throw him in against a good to great Muay Thai fighter he would have a very difficult time. But, If you teach a great Muay Thai fighter with some basic ground techniques ,masters it and put him up against a good to great BJJ under MMA rules, he would be difficult to deal with if not end up beating the BJJ artist.

Do y'all agree? Lets discuss this subject as to why you agree or disagree.

If you teach a great BJJ artist some basic Muay Thai movements and masters it , then throw him in against a good to great Muay Thai fighter he would have a very difficult time. But, If you teach a great Muay Thai fighter with some basic ground techniques ,masters it and put him up against a good to great BJJ under MMA rules, he would be difficult to deal with if not end up beating the BJJ artist.

Do y'all agree? Lets discuss this subject as to why you agree or disagree.

I don't know exactly what mastering basic ground techniques would mean here, but in general, it is easier to become proficient in brazillian Juijitsu than it is to become proficient in the striking arts including Muay Thai.

I want to see Anderson Silva take on this guy on in a straight stand-up fight!

Who is you choice of winner?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkigvaSZxBM

I want to see Anderson Silva take on this guy on in a straight stand-up fight!

Who is you choice of winner?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkigvaSZxBMFirst off, are you even aware that there's a 33lb difference between Silva and those two Muay Thai fighters?

My pick if Silva and the two Thai fighters were the same weight, either of those two Muay Thai fighters will take Silva apart!

Brazil is not exactly a hotbed for Muay Thai, so I don't know how much weight being a Brazilian MT champion holds. I've only seen Silva display his Muay Thai against guys who have no clue how to defend strikes.

To answer your question, In a head to head matchup. Silva being 185lbs, those two Thai fighters look about a buck fifty soak and wet. I'd pick Silva, he has enough Muay Thai experience to hold off a bunch of bad*ss 150lbers.

Maybe your question should be more like the thread question, ex. If you teach B.J Penn(A true blue BJJ) the basic movements of Muay Thai, have him master it then throw him in against either of those two Thai fighters, how do you think he'll do?


On the other hand, show Buakaw some basic Jiu-jitsu techniques, once he has mastered it, then throw him in against a good to great BJJ(B.J. PENN) under MMA rules, how do you think he'll do?

**By the way, the fighter on my avatar is Buakaw, same guy on the Yo*tube video you posted.

Your question is not fair. It should be "If you teach a Muay Thai guy Jujitsu, how would he do in a JUJITSU match."

And he'd more than likely lose, just as a Jujitsu guy would more than likely lose to a Muay Thai guy.

BJJ does not = MMA

Your question is not fair. It should be "If you teach a Muay Thai guy Jujitsu, how would he do in a JUJITSU match."

And he'd more than likely lose, just as a Jujitsu guy would more than likely lose to a Muay Thai guy.

BJJ does not = MMAOkay, let me rephrase that. How do y'all think an MMA guy(grappling backround) who is well-versed with the basic fundamentals of MT do against a good to great MT fighter and vice versa?

Many people(especially from the W. hemisphere) are not aware that Muay Thai involves throws and grappling, with this background I think an MT fighter would fare better(i'm not saying he'd beat a great grappler) against a good to great ground fighter in a grappling only fight, compared to a ground fighter jumping into MT.


And you're right Baserocks, a great Muay Thai fighter would have a legit shot at being succesful in MMA because he still gets to apply his MT skills. Not like the grappler, if he were to jump in a Muay Thai ring he would be lost.

Okay, let me rephrase that. How do y'all think an MMA guy(grappling backround) who is well-versed with the basic fundamentals of MT do against a good to great MT fighter and vice versa?

Many people(especially from the W. hemisphere) are not aware that Muay Thai involves throws and grappling, with this background I think an MT fighter would fare better(i'm not saying he'd beat a great grappler) against a good to great ground fighter in a grappling only fight, compared to a ground fighter jumping into MT.


And you're right Baserocks, a great Muay Thai fighter would have a legit shot at being succesful in MMA because he still gets to apply his MT skills. Not like the grappler, if he were to jump in a Muay Thai ring he would be lost.

It'd definatly be tough road to climb for the MMA guy, but I guess you never quite know. One case that I keep thinking of is the case of Little Nog, who has been so renowned for his Jujitsu prowess, winning the South American games, and taking bronze at the PanAm games in boxing. If you'd have asked me a year ago if a ground based MMA fighter would have a shot to find this sort of success in boxing (even in amateur boxing.. such results are indicative that he could be a decent pro as well) I would have thought hell no. And I here he's only been boxing for 5 or 6 years, or so. I think its a testament to the primacy of individual athletes over particular fighting styles.

Kit Cope was a WORLD CLASS Muay Thai fighter...I'm talkin going to thailand and fightin THE BEST and BEATING THE BEST....he is 1-4 in MMA and pretty much gave that up....


Threadstarter is an idiot.

First off, are you even aware that there's a 33lb difference between Silva and those two Muay Thai fighters?

My pick if Silva and the two Thai fighters were the same weight, either of those two Muay Thai fighters will take Silva apart!

Brazil is not exactly a hotbed for Muay Thai, so I don't know how much weight being a Brazilian MT champion holds. I've only seen Silva display his Muay Thai against guys who have no clue how to defend strikes.

To answer your question, In a head to head matchup. Silva being 185lbs, those two Thai fighters look about a buck fifty soak and wet. I'd pick Silva, he has enough Muay Thai experience to hold off a bunch of bad*ss 150lbers.

Maybe your question should be more like the thread question, ex. If you teach B.J Penn(A true blue BJJ) the basic movements of Muay Thai, have him master it then throw him in against either of those two Thai fighters, how do you think he'll do?


On the other hand, show Buakaw some basic Jiu-jitsu techniques, once he has mastered it, then throw him in against a good to great BJJ(B.J. PENN) under MMA rules, how do you think he'll do?

**By the way, the fighter on my avatar is Buakaw, same guy on the Yo*tube video you posted.

No shit! we all know who Buakaw is!

The ****ing most dangerous middleweight in the world!

Kit Cope was a WORLD CLASS Muay Thai fighter...I'm talkin going to thailand and fightin THE BEST and BEATING THE BEST....he is 1-4 in MMA and pretty much gave that up....


Threadstarter is an idiot.

Congratulations on another brilliant post.

You can't point to one athlete as proof that the whole style sucks:rolleyes:

I will say it again, it is not the art but the person who wields the art.

Congratulations on another brilliant post.

You can't point to one athlete as proof that the whole style sucks:rolleyes:

I didn't say the whole style sucked, now did I?

I didn't say the whole style sucked, now did I?

No you didn't say that directly, but that was obviously what you implied.

No you didn't say that directly, but that was obviously what you implied.

No, I was trying to prove a point that u can be world class at ONE art but u cant go into MMA and dominate. you're a ****tard.

No, I was trying to prove a point that u can be world class at ONE art but u cant go into MMA and dominate.

No shit sherlock. I thought you were smart enough not to state the obvious.. guess I gave you too much credit.