Well I did my match,with new shoes.:lol1: I went in the first threw my jabs and got into the 6'1 or 6'2 guy.I got in fairly easy,then he started going away with flurry hooks.In which he missed practically all of them(video will show.)Then I got inside,and hit him to the midsection above the cup.Then he went to the corner with agonizing pain.The ref gave him an 8 count yet he told me to keep it up.(wtf?:lol1: ) I told the ref that it wasnt low(mistake number one) Although other ppl that saw it said it wasnt low.I think the ref was confused.Why would he give the guy an 8 count? Yet tell me to keep it high? Still in the first round,He's throwing hooks and 1-2s and missing. I get inside and hit him with an uppercut and drop him.Yet another 8 count.Then after that the same shit,him throwing and missing and me connecting with hooks.

The 2nd round was some what the same shit.I busted his nose open and the blood was visible out of his nose.He's getting tired,and holding my gloves,yet the ref tell ONLY me to stop wrestling.haha.(He also said stop pushing in the first in which I wasnt) Im hitting him with uppercuts and body shots and hurting him.

The 3rd sound is the same shit. I admit he hit me with a few solid shots when I was making my way in. Well we were clinched,(he's still rarely hitting me)then all of a sudden he stopped,and I didnt hear the ref so I swung. I got a point deducted for that.haha.

So in all alot of ppl thought I won. I had at least 10 ppl I never knew that went up to me to tell me I got robbed.I heard they booed when they heard the results,and didnt really clap for the other guy. Jesse,and alot of my gym and other gyms thought the same. They said what got me ****ed is me talking to the ref.Therefore the judges see that. It took them the longest to talley up the cards for us.So in all I think its bullshit,but Im not mad because I didnt feel as if I lost.

My style isnt for the amateurs,me and Jesse discussed that.I wasnt used to amateur fighting really. I wish I could of gotten more amateurs to spar with then pro fighters and pro style fighters.So what to do now? I have no clue.I can tell the amateur(you hit the other guy alot)might not work for me.Because it takes me some times to get in,while Im doing that he's scoring points,or swinging,not trying to let me in. So its actually a lose situation.Im going to discuss more of it with my trainer when I go back.


Oh my cheap ass new,soon to be returned after I upload the video,camcorder only recorded the first round then it ran out of memory some how.I bought it today,but that video should be up tomorrow.:) Like I said Im not pissed,because I know I won,and shit loads of other ppl thought so also.

Hmmm.. thats shitty.

Atleast your taking the L well.. I'l be outside flipping caskets.

As for the sparring where are you from again?




"Nov. 3rd-4th NEW Florida P.A.L. State Champion"

Hmmm.. thats shitty.

Atleast your taking the L well.. I'l be outside flipping caskets.

As for the sparring where are you from again?




"Nov. 3rd-4th NEW Florida P.A.L. State Champion"

Im not mad about it because I knew I won,and so did a shit load of ppl. I shouldnt have talked to the ref so much,but that dude was a retard.:lol1: I fight out of San Antonio,Texas.

You dont get extra points in the ams for dropping a guy do you? So two standing eights and you still lose. That's rough.

The professional ranks are calling you Verse.

I'm sorry to hear that, man. Real talk. I'm sure you can get back on your shit, though- just grind a little harder this time. Don't give them a chance to put in on the scorecards. Absorb yourself a little more during traning.

You dont get extra points in the ams for dropping a guy do you? So two standing eights and you still lose. That's rough.

Yeah it was weird,but shit happens.Although I think I got hit at least 15 times the whole fight.He was just more active in throwing,although missing. Once I upload the only round I got on camera.You can see he only hit me maybe 5 times.While I dropped him once,and got a standing 8 all under 2minutes.

I'm sorry to hear that, man. Real talk. I'm sure you can get back on your shit, though- just grind a little harder this time. Don't give them a chance to put in on the scorecards. Absorb yourself a little more during traning.

my height and my style is the problem.The biggest problem,but it wasnt this time,but oh well.

The professional ranks are calling you Verse.

Maybe one more amateur fight then I might. Im not used to fighting amateur style like I said on messenger,not even in sparring.That shits totally different since I have more of an pro style.

my height and my style is the problem.The biggest problem,but it wasnt this time,but oh well.

Dwight Qawi was something like your case. You can do it if you got that physical aspect in you style.

good excuses versa....i bet he ko'd u in the first round and ur making this up....

good excuses versa....i bet he ko'd u in the first round and ur making this up....

:lol1: :lol1:

:lol1: :lol1:

i'm just messin with ya ... lol
ur pretty good i've seen some of ur videos u posted here .... good luck in the future.

i'm just messin with ya ... lol
ur pretty good i've seen some of ur videos u posted here .... good luck in the future.

I'll post that video of the first round tomorrow though.The first was like the 2nd and 3rd,except for kd's

Dwight Qawi was something like your case. You can do it if you got that physical aspect in you style.

Yeah,I just gotta see whats up.For me to pretty much change to amateur like style would be hard to do. I havnt seen 20 amateur fights on video or in real life.:lol1:

Yeah,I just gotta see whats up.For me to pretty much change to amateur like style would be hard to do. I havnt seen 20 amateur fights on video or in real life.:lol1:

It's better to have the spro style- that's what you'll be making money off, anyway.

I say you re-match the dude, though.

It's better to have the spro style- that's what you'll be making money off, anyway.

I say you re-match the dude, though.

I think he's from Dallas,but yeah I wouldnt mind. I dont think he would though.

No rematch, Im callin jesse 1st thing monday, he's going pro, **** the dumb shit. :drillserg

I think you should still try to get that first W. Fight a stiff if you have to.

I think you should still try to get that first W. Fight a stiff if you have to.

haha yeah.I want to,but I gotta find a way to suit this style to amateur style.

I had exactly the same thing, my second fight i got robbed crowd booed, got told my style is more suited for the pro's and i got 2 standing 8 counts on the guy. Left without a mark

yo man thats has 2 suck i gone through the shit 2 but as long as u know u won its all good shit like that has made me start thinking about quiting

I had exactly the same thing, my second fight i got robbed crowd booed, got told my style is more suited for the pro's and i got 2 standing 8 counts on the guy. Left without a mark

I saw his nose gushing in the opposite corner.haha.Its all good though,you're going to get ****ed in boxing at least once.I hope that was my once.

yo man thats has 2 suck i gone through the shit 2 but as long as u know u won its all good shit like that has made me start thinking about quiting

Yeah as long as you know in your mind its all good.

I think he's from Dallas,but yeah I wouldnt mind. I dont think he would though.

Just get a couple of wins under your belt, and you're good, man.

Just get a couple of wins under your belt, and you're good, man.

Amateur and me dont mix.Im used to throwing very little shots a round.I guess in amateur if they swing,but dont hit you its counted because he's swinging.So Im confused as **** on what to do.

Amateur and me dont mix.Im used to throwing very little shots a round.I guess in amateur if they swing,but dont hit you its counted because he's swinging.So Im confused as **** on what to do.

Yeah. It's all about scoring points in the am's. That's why the better punchers don't do as well. Yet another example is Naseem Hamed.

You have a more patient style that isn't about just using up all your energy in a 4 round points match. Just get those few W's and move on up. I'm actually real interested to see your progress if and when you do go pro.

Yeah. It's all about scoring points in the am's. That's why the better punchers don't do as well. Yet another example is Naseem Hamed.

You have a more patient style that isn't about just using up all your energy in a 4 round points match. Just get those few W's and move on up. I'm actually real interested to see your progress if and when you do go pro.

Yeah I'll discuss it with Leija,and I'll stay off of here for awhile to think about shit. Thanks though.:)

Yeah I'll discuss it with Leija,and I'll stay off of here for awhile to think about shit. Thanks though.:)

No doubt. Jesse James, though? That's some good company to keep.

Peace.

damn verse that sux bro sorry to hear that my man. its all good dont sweat it if u knew u won and fought well thats all that matters. sometimes the scoring in AMs is awful, so dont beat urself up over it...

anyway, i won my fight tongiht, on points. it was a good fight. we were both bleeding and we were both in the center of the ring trading some bombs. he got a standing eight, and so did i, but it was a battle to the end. good fight tho for sure.

glad to be back at 165. i feel mad strong there so everyone look out....:boxing::boxing:

Well I did my match,with new shoes.:lol1: I went in the first threw my jabs and got into the 6'1 or 6'2 guy.I got in fairly easy,then he started going away with flurry hooks.In which he missed practically all of them(video will show.)Then I got inside,and hit him to the midsection above the cup.Then he went to the corner with agonizing pain.The ref gave him an 8 count yet he told me to keep it up.(wtf?:lol1: ) I told the ref that it wasnt low(mistake number one) Although other ppl that saw it said it wasnt low.I think the ref was confused.Why would he give the guy an 8 count? Yet tell me to keep it high? Still in the first round,He's throwing hooks and 1-2s and missing. I get inside and hit him with an uppercut and drop him.Yet another 8 count.Then after that the same shit,him throwing and missing and me connecting with hooks.

The 2nd round was some what the same shit.I busted his nose open and the blood was visible out of his nose.He's getting tired,and holding my gloves,yet the ref tell ONLY me to stop wrestling.haha.(He also said stop pushing in the first in which I wasnt) Im hitting him with uppercuts and body shots and hurting him.

The 3rd sound is the same shit. I admit he hit me with a few solid shots when I was making my way in. Well we were clinched,(he's still rarely hitting me)then all of a sudden he stopped,and I didnt hear the ref so I swung. I got a point deducted for that.haha.

So in all alot of ppl thought I won. I had at least 10 ppl I never knew that went up to me to tell me I got robbed.I heard they booed when they heard the results,and didnt really clap for the other guy. Jesse,and alot of my gym and other gyms thought the same. They said what got me ****ed is me talking to the ref.Therefore the judges see that. It took them the longest to talley up the cards for us.So in all I think its bullshit,but Im not mad because I didnt feel as if I lost.

My style isnt for the amateurs,me and Jesse discussed that.I wasnt used to amateur fighting really. I wish I could of gotten more amateurs to spar with then pro fighters and pro style fighters.So what to do now? I have no clue.I can tell the amateur(you hit the other guy alot)might not work for me.Because it takes me some times to get in,while Im doing that he's scoring points,or swinging,not trying to let me in. So its actually a lose situation.Im going to discuss more of it with my trainer when I go back.


Oh my cheap ass new,soon to be returned after I upload the video,camcorder only recorded the first round then it ran out of memory some how.I bought it today,but that video should be up tomorrow.:) Like I said Im not pissed,because I know I won,and shit loads of other ppl thought so also.

One thing the amatures is teaching you or should be after all this is that you have to stay in the gym and train hard or else it will all be for nothing when you may have a chance to do somthing as a pro.

Don't look at this as a bad thing. Look at it as another learning experiance.

Roberto Duran i remember him saying he lost his first 3 pro fights. And Librado Andrade lost 13 out of 15 amature fights.

Im interested to see your video. I know that when a ref is ****ing with you, at the momment it seems like he is lecturing you forever, then you see the video and its only for a second. You just have to fight your fight, with in the rules. I've talked back to the ref in one fight and then was told it is a bad thing to do.

Just keep training.

And when you say there is nobody in the gym to sparr with then if you're serious and your work allows you too, then go to another gym to sparr with the better fighters. Then train at your gym untill you have to sparr again.

thats boxing judges for ya ass LOL.

Tough break Vers.

Seems your not a fan of the AM's but that sort of thing is not uncommon in the pros as well, where the ref/judges seem to have been watching adifferent fight than everyone else.

how bout admitting u lost???? verse its ok to admit you lost a fight man.
its okkkkkkk, u will fight another day.

So many problems with the amatuer boxing system.

Electronic scoring systems don't register all the punches.

The system also doesn't take into account whether it was the laziest jab or a thunderous hook that puts a man to the ground for an 8 count.

The judges are often old and not quick enough to register everything - especially the fast action in front. So a landed 3 punch combination my only get counted as one punch.

They should score the match like a pro bout. On which fighter showed more skill, aggression, technique. Etc.

So many problems with the amatuer boxing system.


so many problems with boxing...PERIOD.

damn, aint that a bitch. Whats your amateur rec by the way?

sounds like 0-1 now...:(

sounds like 0-1 now...:(
No i think its 0-2, he's now had two fights and lost both of them.

lol.....poooooor vers. Im sure he would come up with some good excuses....oh wait, he already did. Next time Vers.

his height is killing him

his height is killing him

Sadly i agree. Plus from watching the sparring vid, he is more suited to professional boxing.

he's more suited to retiring.

he's more suited to retiring.

lol why you hating...too much negativity

just having a lil fun diesel. Im sure everyone is used to it, I just like to type shit, whatever is on my mind. Jus fun bro, Im sure Vers is a alright boxer, but I like to bug em once in a while....or always lol dont matter. I aint no hater

from what iv seen, Vers is very good. Good movement especially and is strong when it comes to attacking the body (which is one of the reasons he has a pro style).

Where is the vid at?

Im upping the video as we speak,its only 1 round because I guess my memory was full or some shit.

lol.....poooooor vers. Im sure he would come up with some good excuses....oh wait, he already did. Next time Vers.

Bottom line is I lost. I think I could of taken him out in the first,but its 2 min rounds.So oh well.:lol1:

just having a lil fun diesel. Im sure everyone is used to it, I just like to type shit, whatever is on my mind. Jus fun bro, Im sure Vers is a alright boxer, but I like to bug em once in a while....or always lol dont matter. I aint no hater

Yeah I know.Im not pissed or nothing.A little fun is always fun to have sometimes.

Does anyone know if it says "connected" when upping a video? Its been awhile since Ive upped a video and I dont know.

Yeah I know.Im not pissed or nothing.A little fun is always fun to have sometimes.

good 2see ya have a sense of humor bro. All kidding aside, good luck in your next fight.

So many problems with the amatuer boxing system.

Electronic scoring systems don't register all the punches.

The system also doesn't take into account whether it was the laziest jab or a thunderous hook that puts a man to the ground for an 8 count.

The judges are often old and not quick enough to register everything - especially the fast action in front. So a landed 3 punch combination my only get counted as one punch.

They should score the match like a pro bout. On which fighter showed more skill, aggression, technique. Etc.

I was doing alot of powershot type punches.The other guy was pitty pattying my arms.haha. I guess it looked good to them.

One thing the amatures is teaching you or should be after all this is that you have to stay in the gym and train hard or else it will all be for nothing when you may have a chance to do somthing as a pro.

Don't look at this as a bad thing. Look at it as another learning experiance.

Roberto Duran i remember him saying he lost his first 3 pro fights. And Librado Andrade lost 13 out of 15 amature fights.

Im interested to see your video. I know that when a ref is ****ing with you, at the momment it seems like he is lecturing you forever, then you see the video and its only for a second. You just have to fight your fight, with in the rules. I've talked back to the ref in one fight and then was told it is a bad thing to do.

Just keep training.

And when you say there is nobody in the gym to sparr with then if you're serious and your work allows you too, then go to another gym to sparr with the better fighters. Then train at your gym untill you have to sparr again.

I spar alot of pros in my gym,and the other guy from my gym that was fighting that night also,also lost. We're used to fighting pro style at the gym.So it was a huge shocker for both of us.I the later rounds I tried going wild on the inside like an amateur style fight,but that shits hard when you gotta get by the 6'1 guys jab and all. It was fun though.:)

his height is killing him

Thats another thing.Ppl in the amateurs tend to be somewhat young.So they could be tall,but know grown fully in their body.Like Tommy Hearns in the amateurs,so its easy for them to make a low weight.

unlucky bro!

It's true that amateur boxing is a totally different game. You can absolutely murder someone but still lose, The best scoring punches are just simple jabs and the right cross. In 1-2 and out in 1-1-2 and out in 1-2-1-2 and out. That's what the judges like to see. That's what I've observed from novice amateur bouts. It changes as the level of competition rises such as nationals.

Like I said to that guy animail squabbs, it's good for you personally sparring with professionals and getting that experience but you need to really check out amateur bouts and videos because that's the level you're fighting at for the moment.

Anyways, good luck for the next bout bro.

unlucky bro!

It's true that amateur boxing is a totally different game. You can absolutely murder someone but still lose, The best scoring punches are just simple jabs and the right cross. In 1-2 and out in 1-1-2 and out in 1-2-1-2 and out. That's what the judges like to see. That's what I've observed from novice amateur bouts. It changes as the level of competition rises such as nationals.

Like I said to that guy animail squabbs, it's good for you personally sparring with professionals and getting that experience but you need to really check out amateur bouts and videos because that's the level you're fighting at for the moment.

Anyways, good luck for the next bout bro.
Yeah I dont look at enough amateur bouts.I might start observing.

unlucky man. boxing is a crazy circus.

versy, just go pro. :p

**** the amateurs.

So many problems with the amatuer boxing system.

Electronic scoring systems don't register all the punches.

The system also doesn't take into account whether it was the laziest jab or a thunderous hook that puts a man to the ground for an 8 count.

The judges are often old and not quick enough to register everything - especially the fast action in front. So a landed 3 punch combination my only get counted as one punch.

They should score the match like a pro bout. On which fighter showed more skill, aggression, technique. Etc.

yes but then we end up with robberies RJJ got in the olympics

versy, just go pro. :p

**** the amateurs.

haha.........

unlucky bro!

It's true that amateur boxing is a totally different game. You can absolutely murder someone but still lose, The best scoring punches are just simple jabs and the right cross. In 1-2 and out in 1-1-2 and out in 1-2-1-2 and out. That's what the judges like to see. That's what I've observed from novice amateur bouts. It changes as the level of competition rises such as nationals.

Like I said to that guy animail squabbs, it's good for you personally sparring with professionals and getting that experience but you need to really check out amateur bouts and videos because that's the level you're fighting at for the moment.

Anyways, good luck for the next bout bro.

I got alot of the same problems verse has, Im short and I mainly focus on body shots, more pro style. So I already know Ima lose my amateur fights comin up but **** it.

I got alot of the same problems verse has, Im short and I mainly focus on body shots, more pro style. So I already know Ima lose my amateur fights comin up but **** it.

Ya cant think like that now.:slap: You wont get anywhere with that attitude.

I got alot of the same problems verse has, Im short and I mainly focus on body shots, more pro style. So I already know Ima lose my amateur fights comin up but **** it.

damn animal dont say that bro. dont set urself up for failure like that my man, u gotta get in there and fight ur heart out like u were fightin for a championship belt dude.

ur gonna get in the ring, ur gonna win, and ur gonna look good doin it!! thaz it!
.....:boxing::boxing:....

damn animal dont say that bro. dont set urself up for failure like that my man, u gotta get in there and fight ur heart out like u were fightin for a championship belt dude.

ur gonna get in the ring, ur gonna win, and ur gonna look good doin it!! thaz it!
.....:boxing::boxing:....


youre not gettin me man. Im not talkin like Im just goin in there to get beat up and get experience. I just know the deck is stacked against, IM not expecting a win... IM expecting a FIGHT. Whoever my opponent is might probably win but Im gonna make him earn every ****in piece of it. I love fighting, Ive had all kinds of street fights, I like fighting, even if for example theres three about to jump me, Im not expecting a win but theyre gonna have to earn that shit and Ima have fun doin it. Im itchin man, I cant take it anymore. I dont wanna seem like some bullshitter that is training but doesnt compete.

On oct 27 Im not goin there to win IM going to get in a brawl, if I win it would just be a bonus.

youre not gettin me man. Im not talkin like Im just goin in there to get beat up and get experience. I just know the deck is stacked against, IM not expecting a win... IM expecting a FIGHT. Whoever my opponent is might probably win but Im gonna make him earn every ****in piece of it. I love fighting, Ive had all kinds of street fights, I like fighting, even if for example theres three about to jump me, Im not expecting a win but theyre gonna have to earn that shit and Ima have fun doin it. Im itchin man, I cant take it anymore. I dont wanna seem like some bullshitter that is training but doesnt compete.

On oct 27 Im not goin there to win IM going to get in a brawl, if I win it would just be a bonus.

aright thats cool i can respect that. but im sure u would rather win than lose, no? yea go in there and brawl and do wut u do, but be smart too. if u know ur the better fighter and can do things to throw the guy off his game, obviously ur gonna do it. do ur thing in there if thats brawl get in there and bang, but look for ways to win while doing it. i be fightin next sat too the 27th hopefully we will both win that night. good luck to u...

I'm sorry to hear that, man. Real talk. I'm sure you can get back on your shit, though- just grind a little harder this time. Don't give them a chance to put in on the scorecards. Absorb yourself a little more during traning.
What he said. I don't know what your perspective is 2 months on, but I wouldn't write yourself off on the ams too early, Vers. As you collect fights you'll find ways of adjusting and making your style gel a little better with the more nominal aspects of amateur boxing. You might not build a stellar record out of it, but you will learn more than that one frustrating experience has led you to believe.


Btw, you've been one of the better contributors to this forum in recent times. Good to see blunt self-assessment and practical encouragement of others delivered in a straightforward, unpretentious way. Keep on that path.