From a local newspaper:

-"Sugar" Ray Robinson (173-19-6, 109 KO's)

-Carlos Monzón (87-3-9, 59 KO's)

-"Marvelous" Marvin Hagler (62-3-2, 53 KO's)

-Stanley Ketchel (55-4-6, 50 KO's)

-Marcel Cerdan (106-4, 61KO's)

-Jake LaMotta (83-19-4, 30 KO's)

-Bernard Hopkins(45-2, 32 KO's)

Hary Greb might be the best and you left him out. Robinson was a good middleweight, but not as great as he was at 147. LaMotta was a tough guy but not a great fighter

I would say Hagler is the best of all time

1 Hagler
2 Greb
3 Hopkins
4 Monzon

Ask me next week and the order might change

Hary Greb might be the best and you left him out. Robinson was a good middleweight, but not as great as he was at 147. LaMotta was a tough guy but not a great fighter

I would say Hagler is the best of all time

1 Hagler
2 Greb
3 Hopkins
4 Monzon

Ask me next week and the order might change
He said it was from a local paper.
To be honest, I don't think Hopkins belongs on that list.

He said it was from a local paper.
To be honest, I don't think Hopkins belongs on that list.

Oh I didn't even see the Local Paper remark, sorry bout that.

If you dont think Hopkins belongs on that list you should just stop watching boxing right now.

I dont care what kind of competion a guy has fought do you have any idea how rare it is for a fighter to flat out dominate a division for 10 years and make 19 defenses of your belts. He's captured all 3 major belts plus the WBO during his 10 years on top meaning he has fought the other champions on his division during that time.

Funny how no one was talking about Tito being a blown up welterweight when he was giving William Joppy one of the most spectacular ass whoopins ever caught on film.

Oh I didn't even see the Local Paper remark, sorry bout that.

If you dont think Hopkins belongs on that list you should just stop watching boxing right now.

I dont care what kind of competion a guy has fought do you have any idea how rare it is for a fighter to flat out dominate a division for 10 years and make 19 defenses of your belts. He's captured all 3 major belts plus the WBO during his 10 years on top meaning he has fought the other champions on his division during that time.

Funny how no one was talking about Tito being a blown up welterweight when he was giving William Joppy one of the most spectacular ass whoopins ever caught on film.
Hopkins hasn't had any good competition.
Well outside of RJJ and DLH.
Plus everyone has a belt these days.
See why I don't think he should be on that list?

Ps: "Tito" has always been a *****.

Hopkins has fought very solid competion during his 10 years. The two other top middleweights during his era were William Jopy and Kieth Holmes and he beat both easily.

He ruined Echols. People forget going into his fight with Hopkins Echols was the one of the hottest guys in boxing and Hopkins gave with two wicked beatings and Echols aint been the same since.

Glenn Coffe Johnson who went on to be a IBF champ at 175

Plus Tito the #1 p4p fighter in the world at the time. DLH boxings biggest superstar

He most likely will fight a guy like Sturm sometime in the nesxt few months

Like I said very solid competion.

Hopkins has fought very solid competion during his 10 years. The two other top middleweights during his era were William Jopy and Kieth Holmes and he beat both easily.

He ruined Echols. People forget going into his fight with Hopkins Echols was the one of the hottest guys in boxing and Hopkins gave with two wicked beatings and Echols aint been the same since.

Glenn Coffe Johnson who went on to be a IBF champ at 175

Plus Tito the #1 p4p fighter in the world at the time. DLH boxings biggest superstar

He most likely will fight a guy like Sturm sometime in the nesxt few months

Like I said very solid competion.

He fought Joppy after Trinidad did.
Everyone talks about how Trinidad ****ed up Joppy.
So why even bother mentioning Hopkins/Joppy?
Hopkins got Trinidad's left overs.

Also, had DLH not rested the last few rounds he would have won his match with Trinidad.
So it wasn't like Hopkins was going against the "best".
The only people he has beaten that were worth a damn are RJJ and DLH.
The rest of his time he's fought people who were basically nobodies or the leftovers of other boxers.

Harry Greb
Marvin Hagler
Carlos Monzon
Ray Robinson
Stanley Ketchel
Bernard Hopkins

Robinson was at his greatest at Welterweight.

I mean really now

If you cant appricate Bernard Hopkins then you can you appricate.

The man has done everything that has been asked of him and still some just shamelessy hate on him.

I mentioned Joppy because Joppy was one of the two best middelweuights during Hopkins reign.

I mean really now

If you cant appricate Bernard Hopkins then you can you appricate.

The man has done everything that has been asked of him and still some just shamelessy hate on him.

I mentioned Joppy because Joppy was one of the two best middelweuights during Hopkins reign.
Tell me why you think he should be listed among the top 5 greatest middleweights.
Joppy wasn't the same after Trinidad.
So that shouldn't count.

Anyone can "dominate" if you give them nothing but ****ty opponents.

Ps: "Tito" has always been a *****.

OHHH NO YOU DIDN'T... :eek:

Anyone can "dominate" if you give them nothing but ****ty opponents.

um....NO

William Joppy bounced back after the Tito fight with a win over Howard Eastman a legit top 5 guy at 160 so obviously he wasn't that washed up was he?

do you have any idea what it takes to rule your division for 10 freaking years and make 19 defenses and unify??

Just like guys like Joe Loius and Mike Tyson when they were on top they didn't fight in a deep era, but if you fight every toip guy it's not who you beats its how you beat them and Hopkins has been flat out dominate.

You cant argue with winning

10 years and 19 defenses

um....NO

William Joppy bounced back after the Tito fight with a win over Howard Eastman a legit top 5 guy at 160 so obviously he wasn't that washed up was he?

do you have any idea what it takes to rule your division for 10 freaking years and make 19 defenses and unify??

Just like guys like Joe Loius and Mike Tyson when they were on top they didn't fight in a deep era, but if you fight every toip guy it's not who you beats its how you beat them and Hopkins has been flat out dominate.

You cant argue with winning

10 years and 19 defenses

18 you mean, 19 was a joke.

By using your Joppy sentence, you must also think that because MAB beat Ayala, he isn't washed up or wasn't ****ed up from Morales and Pac.

Hopkins is a guy who will never be on any of my top lists.
Maybe if he quits being a coward and moves up to light-heavy and if he's able to "dominate" there, then I may give him a little respect.
But for the most part I don't like the guy.

OHHH NO YOU DIDN'T... :eek:
Yes I did.
Here I go again.
"Tito" is a *****.
Always has been and always will be.

Hopkins is a guy who will never be on any of my top lists.

flex the boxing knowledge a little more killer

this guy cannot be serious

Yes I did.
Here I go again.
"Tito" is a *****.
Always has been and always will be.

Why? :confused:

Why?

because he obviously just has it out for certain fighters

flex the boxing knowledge a little more killer

this guy cannot be serious
I am serious.
I don't care for Hopkins, I never have.
Even with all the hype, bull**** ending, and people in line to suck his dick, I'm still not a fan.
The guy is very lucky, I'll give him that.

Why? :confused:
His nickname "tito", his style, his face, everything about him.
I hate the guy.
Plain and simple.

His nickname "tito", his style, his face, everything about him.
I hate the guy.
Plain and simple.

Um...ok. :cool:

Um...ok. :cool:
Yep.
I look forward to seeing him on the canvas drooling and crying like the ***** he is. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/DrCynical/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When a fighter is raised to such a stature that all else in his division pale in comparison in spite of their own respectable accomplishments, that, in my book, is dominance. Hopkins unified the three main alphabet titles, defended against the best that the weight class has to offer in his era including past and future champions, trounced ambitious challengers who rose from lower weights to face him in his realm, and challenged a Roy Jones, no less, to a return match (that the rematch did not happen, both he and Roy share the blame). Emperors, Dictators, Field Martials...can turn green with envy before such a record. But, Hop as the best middleweight ever? Jury still out, as far as I'm concerned. :) While I agree that Sugar Ray was at his best at welter, his middleweight record cannot be easily discounted either. And yes, Greb, Hagler, Monzon... :confused:The midweights have often been referred to as the "Glamour Boys" of boxing; that was not so under Hopkins' reign (save for some glints brought by the appearances of Tito and Oscar, there was no sheen). Hagler had to get Leonard to add glitz to the division. Twas Robinson and company who brought and enjoyed the haydays; that's perhaps, also, why Robinson's name has always been factored into any reckoning of the division's best. Hagler and Hop have only their records to argue their cases.

Hmmmm....

Greb
Robinson
Monzon
Hagler
Hopkins
Cerdan
LaMotta


Thats my list

Hmmmm....

Greb
Robinson
Monzon
Hagler
Hopkins
Cerdan
LaMotta


Thats my list
How can you put overrated Hopkins over LaMotta?

Bonus point for Hopkins: He's been able to deal well with the Arums and Kings to this point; he still appears to do things, "My Way". Fighters don't just wage wars atop rings; boxing begins even before contracts are signed. So, for performances outside the ring and in it (combined), Hop's bid for the GREATEST MIDDLEWEIGHT EVER, is enhanced. :) Hop, join Robinson and company at the head of the class! :)

SSR
greb
hagler
hopkins
lamotta

i agree with sonny i think Suar ray robinson was great no doubt..but best at welter...at welter SSR would make u his ***** and then ko you all in about 5 rounds

I think prime Hagler would beat any middleweight except maybe Monzon...just because of his style...nah Hagler would win.

robinson was greatest

1. Ray Robinson
2. Jake Lamotta
3. Hagler


Hopkins could not contend with any of those

hagler is #1 if roy stayed at middle he could of gone in history but now he just a great light heavyweight ..he coulda been the greatest at middle

Hopkins wouldn't even make my top 20.

Mike McCallum is the best Middleweight I've seen, no question for me.

From a local newspaper:

-"Sugar" Ray Robinson (173-19-6, 109 KO's)

-Carlos Monzón (87-3-9, 59 KO's)

-"Marvelous" Marvin Hagler (62-3-2, 53 KO's)

-Stanley Ketchel (55-4-6, 50 KO's)

-Marcel Cerdan (106-4, 61KO's)

-Jake LaMotta (83-19-4, 30 KO's)

-Bernard Hopkins(45-2, 32 KO's)-Harry Greb

-Nino Benvenuti

-Emile Griffith



Acknowledgement: Thanks to Borikua for contributing 7 of my top 10.

-Harry Greb

-Nino Benvenuti

-Emile Griffith



Acknowledgement: Thanks to Borikua for contributing 7 of my top 10.
Anyone mentioned Bob Fitzsimmons and Dick Tiger yet?

Greb deserves to be on there but it's a ok list.

Hopkins wouldn't even make my top 20.

Mike McCallum is the best Middleweight I've seen, no question for me.
Wait... Wait.... What?

i thought SRR was a better WW than MW

1. Hagler
2. Monzon
3. Robinson
4. Greb
5. Cerdan
6. Hopkins
7. Lamotta