Most rap is garbage now and days. I grew up in the 80's early 90's hip-hop scene. De La Soul, Jungle Brothas, Tribe, EPMD, Krs-one, Das EFX, Public Enemy, LL-Cool J, Masta Ace, Organized Confusion, Prince Paul, Rakim, NWA, Slick Rick, Poor Righteous Teachers, Digital Underground, Tupac, Biggie, Lords of the Underground, Leader of the New School, Digable Planets, Nice and Smooth, Heavy D, Chub Rock, Onyx, Cypress Hill, RUN DMC, Brand Nubians, X Clan, Common Sense, Naughty by Nature, Beastie Boys, Ultra Magnetic MC's, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and DJ Polo, Geto Boys, Biz Markie, Mantronix, Ice-T, Marle Marl, Whoodini, Africa Bombata, Kool Mo Dee, MC Lyte, Fat Boys, Dana Dane, Too $hort, 3rd Bass, Special Ed, Chill Rob G, Chi-Ali, Queen Latifah, Schooly D, MC Shan, Gang Starr, Just Ice, Stetsasonic, Kurtis Blow, Kwame, King T, Three Times Dope, Doug E Fresh and the Get Fresh Crew, MC Eight, DJ Quik, early Ice Cube, aaaawwww man so may I can't remember them all.

Rap today is trash compaired to what we had. MC's can't even flow anymore and all you have to do to get a deal now and days is brag about your car and jewlery.

Very few cats are keeping it true to hip hop anymore. You young dudes missed out on the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

There are some cats I still like alot but it's mostly underground now. Hip Hop is dead in the main stream

Rap today is trash compaired to what we had. MC's can't even flow anymore and all you have to do to get a deal now and days is brag about your car and jewlery.

Very few cats are keeping it true to hip hop anymore. You young dudes missed out on the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

There are some cats I still like alot but it's mostly underground now. Hip Hop is dead in the main stream

Booty music and Southern rap ****ed up the game.

Alot of what you are looking for is still being done by The Roots, Common, sometimes Kanye, etc. And Reggaeton is often very good.

Booty music and Southern rap ****ed up the game.

Alot of what you are looking for is still being done by The Roots, Common, sometimes Kanye, etc. And Reggaeton is often very good.


south hip hop definitely messed up everything is horrible and now rappers this day think of money first then skillz.

Reggaeton is another story don't discredit reggaeton because of daddy yankee's bull****.

jurassic 5 stay true to the old school while still being creative

that's about it

hip hop is what it has always been,the golden age[the 80's] was like what the 60's were for rock music,it was about awareness and change.i'll tell you what,something is gonna happen in hip hop like punk happened to rock.give it time.i give it a year.it's long overdue.

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Why give a ****? Why dont you guys just listen to old tapes if you dont like whats on now. I used to just listen to cd's and not the radio for about 6 years straight. It wasnt a biggie,if ya dont like it,dont ***** and complain,pop in something you like.

south hip hop definitely messed up everything is horrible and now rappers this day think of money first then skillz.

Reggaeton is another story don't discredit reggaeton because of daddy yankee's bull****.

even fans think of money before talent...it's really sad that they can buy into the ****...they all self-proclaimed "Real" but are totaly the oppisite..THEYRE ****IN SHEEP!!!! how can they not see the hypocrisy in the music these days..i make true hip hop

You know I was thinking about this earlier and it's just another example of what happenes when unedeuctaed people get rich......:eek: The devil made me do it.

I don't listen to hip hop anymore except for the occasional Scarface, Jigga, and a couple others. It's just R&B for me. Or if I'm getting ready to hit the clubs I'll put in some Cube or soemthing with a tight beat.

Why? Because hip hop nowadays blows. "Crank That, Soulja Boy"....and I thought Yung Joc was bad...

I don't listen to hip hop anymore except for the occasional Scarface, Jigga, and a couple others. It's just R&B for me. Or if I'm getting ready to hit the clubs I'll put in some Cube or soemthing with a tight beat.

Why? Because hip hop nowadays blows. "Crank That, Soulja Boy"....and I thought Yung Joc was bad...

who let this turd out of it's toilet?

who let this turd out of it's toilet?

sup, *****?

sup, *****?

Chillin....thats a bad word you tried to call me.****in that chick I met on the cruise last year again.....god I love to be able to recycle *****.If you aren't looking for more than sex you never get sour with an ex......

Chillin....thats a bad word you tried to call me.****in that chick I met on the cruise last year again.....god I love to be able to recycle *****.If you aren't looking for more than sex you never get sour with an ex......
Tight, tight...i would probably be ****in that broad from Jersey sometime around my Bday but I freaked out when she told me her ex might of had the clap so I just deleted the ***** from my phone/msn and forgot about her.

But as the moment, I'm pursuing two girls....one asian broad (with a boyfriend- a pinoy) who I want to use strictly for sex and to get back at the asian/pinoy race for being small ***s, and one other broad whom I want strictly as a relationship type.

U still got great MCs like Nas and Jigga going,with albums coming soon,but u got future lyrical stars,Lupe Fiasco who i think is the best lyricly today,u got Saigon who is a beast,and Papoose

Most rap is garbage now and days. I grew up in the 80's early 90's hip-hop scene. De La Soul, Jungle Brothas, Tribe, EPMD, Krs-one, Das EFX, Public Enemy, LL-Cool J, Masta Ace, Organized Confusion, Prince Paul, Rakim, NWA, Slick Rick, Poor Righteous Teachers, Digital Underground, Tupac, Biggie, Lords of the Underground, Leader of the New School, Digable Planets, Nice and Smooth, Heavy D, Chub Rock, Onyx, Cypress Hill, RUN DMC, Brand Nubians, X Clan, Common Sense, Naughty by Nature, Beastie Boys, Ultra Magnetic MC's, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and DJ Polo, Geto Boys, Biz Markie, Mantronix, Ice-T, Marle Marl, Whoodini, Africa Bombata, Kool Mo Dee, MC Lyte, Fat Boys, Dana Dane, Too $hort, 3rd Bass, Special Ed, Chill Rob G, Chi-Ali, Queen Latifah, Schooly D, MC Shan, Gang Starr, Just Ice, Stetsasonic, Kurtis Blow, Kwame, King T, Three Times Dope, Doug E Fresh and the Get Fresh Crew, MC Eight, DJ Quik, early Ice Cube, aaaawwww man so may I can't remember them all.

Rap today is trash compaired to what we had. MC's can't even flow anymore and all you have to do to get a deal now and days is brag about your car and jewlery.

Very few cats are keeping it true to hip hop anymore. You young dudes missed out on the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

There are some cats I still like alot but it's mostly underground now. Hip Hop is dead in the main stream

Booty music and Southern rap ****ed up the game.

Alot of what you are looking for is still being done by The Roots, Common, etc.




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Nas
Jay-Z
Pharoe Monch
Talib Kweli
Mos Def
Eminem
Crooked I
Lupe Fiasco
Little Brother
Common
Kanye West
Canibus
Joe Budden
Fabolous
Outkast
GhostFace (Still puttin it down for the Wu)
Lil' Wayne
The Game
Chamillionaire
The Clipse
Redman


So many good artist there. Listen to some of those on the list skim through albums/mixtapes/freestyles. All of those I have listed have put out some quality stuff. You need to just look around.

Why give a ****? Why dont you guys just listen to old tapes if you dont like whats on now. I used to just listen to cd's and not the radio for about 6 years straight. It wasnt a biggie,if ya dont like it,dont ***** and complain,pop in something you like.

So your just going to wallow in your ignorance like a pig in ****?? Don't you listen to old school hip hop to see where MC'n used to be and what a talented MC can actually do?

I guess ignorance is bliss and that's why your generation is trash and will be remembered as the hip hop generation that did nothing but recycle old **** and try to pass it off as your own to ignorant kids like you that don't know the difference. (i.e Puff daddy)

Why give a ****? Why dont you guys just listen to old tapes if you dont like whats on now. I used to just listen to cd's and not the radio for about 6 years straight. It wasnt a biggie,if ya dont like it,dont ***** and complain,pop in something you like.

Nas
Jay-Z <-----great MC but had to dumb alot of stuff down to sell records
Pharoe Monch <-------nasty MC with incredible skills
Talib Kweli <----showed you don't have to be ignorant to sell records
Mos Def <---genuis on the mic
Eminem <---great skills but lost the hunger
Crooked I <----????
Lupe Fiasco <----dope but limited material
Little Brother <---????
Common <----one of the all time greats
Kanye West <---great beats so so rapper
Canibus <-----great skills but really only did one good album
Joe Budden <--????
Fabolous <------wack
Outkast <------best hip hop to ever come out the south, dre is sick with it
GhostFace (Still puttin it down for the Wu)
Lil' Wayne <-----beyond wack, my ears hurt just listening to his voice
The Game <-------suprisingly good just not great
Chamillionaire <-----great MC voice but below avg skills
The Clipse <-------sick beats but lyrics are subpar at best
Redman <-------one of the illest MC's all time


So many good artist there. Listen to some of those on the list skim through albums/mixtapes/freestyles. All of those I have listed have put out some quality stuff. You need to just look around.

I agve a quick resonse there.....

Booty music and Southern rap ****ed up the game.

Alot of what you are looking for is still being done by The Roots, Common, sometimes Kanye, etc. And Reggaeton is often very good.

I don't mind southern rap if it's done with skill. Outkast, Eight ball and MJG, there are a few who did it right. Not to mention Scarface.......

The content is important but so is the lyrics and delivery.

I agve a quick resonse there.....

I agree for the most part with you except for your stances on Budden & Cham. Cham is a good emcee like it or not and he knows how to make a track and can be lyrical/is lyrical. Budden is dope as **** too and is one of the deepest guys out there...

So your just going to wallow in your ignorance like a pig in ****?? Don't you listen to old school hip hop to see where MC'n used to be and what a talented MC can actually do?

I guess ignorance is bliss and that's why your generation is trash and will be remembered as the hip hop generation that did nothing but recycle old **** and try to pass it off as your own to ignorant kids like you that don't know the difference. (i.e Puff daddy)

Honestly? I dont give a **** about hiphop.They aint paying me no money,and theres no way in hell I would do it as a career. So telling me my generation is the one that did nothing but recycle is cute. I dont know why you have your panties in a bunch.CALM DOWN. Its not that damn serious,God!

You're crying because the ppl you use to like arnt getting any play. BOO ****IN HOO!:bottle:

Most rap is garbage now and days. I grew up in the 80's early 90's hip-hop scene. De La Soul, Jungle Brothas, Tribe, EPMD, Krs-one, Das EFX, Public Enemy, LL-Cool J, Masta Ace, Organized Confusion, Prince Paul, Rakim, NWA, Slick Rick, Poor Righteous Teachers, Digital Underground, Tupac, Biggie, Lords of the Underground, Leader of the New School, Digable Planets, Nice and Smooth, Heavy D, Chub Rock, Onyx, Cypress Hill, RUN DMC, Brand Nubians, X Clan, Common Sense, Naughty by Nature, Beastie Boys, Ultra Magnetic MC's, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and DJ Polo, Geto Boys, Biz Markie, Mantronix, Ice-T, Marle Marl, Whoodini, Africa Bombata, Kool Mo Dee, MC Lyte, Fat Boys, Dana Dane, Too $hort, 3rd Bass, Special Ed, Chill Rob G, Chi-Ali, Queen Latifah, Schooly D, MC Shan, Gang Starr, Just Ice, Stetsasonic, Kurtis Blow, Kwame, King T, Three Times Dope, Doug E Fresh and the Get Fresh Crew, MC Eight, DJ Quik, early Ice Cube, aaaawwww man so may I can't remember them all.

Rap today is trash compaired to what we had. MC's can't even flow anymore and all you have to do to get a deal now and days is brag about your car and jewlery.

Very few cats are keeping it true to hip hop anymore. You young dudes missed out on the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

There are some cats I still like alot but it's mostly underground now. Hip Hop is dead in the main stream

Yes they can.

I think if anything most of the upcoming emcees/artist haveused their flows as their strong point and basis.

what happen to the days when u needed to know how to rap to be a rapper lol

If there is one thing these guys can do it's ride a beat. Its the lyrical content thats lacking.

Most rap is garbage now and days. I grew up in the 80's early 90's hip-hop scene. De La Soul, Jungle Brothas, Tribe, EPMD, Krs-one, Rob G, Chi-Ali, Queen Latifah, Schooly D, MC Shan, Gang Starr, Just Ice, Stetsasonic, Kurtis Blow, Kwame, King T, Three Times Dope, Doug E . You young dudes missed out on the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

There are some cats I still like alot but it's mostly underground now. Hip Hop is dead in the main stream
Nowadays.

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I couldn't agree with the poster more. I have probably said and thought this a million times. Every time I see another stupid-ass video with some idiotic dance and moronic hook with a bunch of wannabe thugs showing their jewelry, teeth, and rental cars, I get sick to my stomach. And yeah, I have to admit, the majority of this dumb **** is coming from the South, and I'm from Louisiana.

south hip hop definitely messed up everything is horrible and now rappers this day think of money first then skillz.

Reggaeton is another story don't discredit reggaeton because of daddy yankee's bull****.

Napo. I love reggaeton. Read my post.

Reggaeton is awful. I hate that ****. no offense to those that like it.

Reggaeton is awful. I hate that ****. no offense to those that like it.

You are racist.


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Reggaeton is awful. I hate that ****. no offense to those that like it.

I hate it too, and I'm Latino.

People keep asking why does anyone care about the condition of Hip Hop; why not just personally listen to whatever you like and forget about it. That question itself is a reflection of what has killed Hip Hop. Everthing now is about ME and looking out for my own good. That is what we see represented in the lyrics of the music and that is the spirit that rules now. Well you won't care if you believe life is just about getting what you can for yourself but if you have a love for your community then you will care. You will care about the messages that young people are receiving. Not just messages about morality but messages about the importance of creativity. If children in general learn that creativity is important, that awareness will be present in everything they do, it will be important in more areas than just Hip Hop. It will make them original thinkers. We are helping to make children mindless with this music. The lyrics in the music state straight up that all that matters is the money and that reflects exactly why people don't care about any of these matters.
Just do your own thing, don't worry about anyone else.

Most hiphop is down south,not Florda down south,but down down.its hard to decipher.

People keep asking why does anyone care about the condition of Hip Hop; why not just personally listen to whatever you like and forget about it. That question itself is a reflection of what has killed Hip Hop. Everthing now is about ME and looking out for my own good. That is what we see represented in the lyrics of the music and that is the spirit that rules now. Well you won't care if you believe life is just about getting what you can for yourself but if you have a love for your community then you will care. You will care about the messages that young people are receiving. Not just messages about morality but messages about the importance of creativity. If children in general learn that creativity is important, that awareness will be present in everything they do, it will be important in more areas than just Hip Hop. It will make them original thinkers. We are helping to make children mindless with this music. The lyrics in the music state straight up that all that matters is the money and that reflects exactly why people don't care about any of these matters.
Just do your own thing, don't worry about anyone else.


Good post but the reality of it is that life doesn't imitate art, art imitates life. All this trash rap we see is just a reflexion of our society. It's like holding upa mirror in front of the face of the nation and not liking what you see and blaiming the mirror.

Hip hop will get better, when our society get's smarter and more cultured to what is really going on in this world.

Good post but the reality of it is that life doesn't imitate art, art imitates life. All this trash rap we see is just a reflexion of our society. It's like holding upa mirror in front of the face of the nation and not liking what you see and blaiming the mirror.

Hip hop will get better, when our society get's smarter and more cultured to what is really going on in this world.

What you say about art is true in general , but the point of my post was that hip hop is becoming no longer art, but PURE business. Business dosen't have to imitate reality it just follows whatever makes a profit. If you believed that the hip hop that was being put out now imitated life then you would have to believe that all black males are gangsters, or atleast most. Now compare that image to earlier hip hop when you had more variety in the images that were portrayed (and back then there was more crime in the ghetto, especially in New York, I remember). That was because then it was art, it was still grassroots and street level, it honestly reflected the people and multibillion dollar labels weren't running things. Now obviously if a society is placing business and making money above everything else, that is also reflection of the state of that society but the profit motive also influences them to distort reality in ways that they believe will make them a profit. Society does influence all of the materialism that is portrayed in the music but those portrayals also influences society.

Oh and Hip Hop is a part of society, If we keep saying that society as a whole has to change before anything happens, it never will. A society is made up of parts and it is up to each part to take a stand. If the individual parts won't society won't. I don't believe that there is not going to be some great politician that comes down and saves everything.

What you say about art is true in general , but the point of my post was that hip hop is becoming no longer art, but PURE business. Business dosen't have to imitate reality it just follows whatever makes a profit. If you believed that the hip hop that was being put out now imitated life then you would have to believe that all black males are gangsters, or atleast most. Now compare that image to earlier hip hop when you had more variety in the images that were portrayed (and back then there was more crime in the ghetto, especially in New York, I remember). That was because then it was art, it was still grassroots and street level, it honestly reflected the people and multibillion dollar labels weren't running things. Now obviously if a society is placing business and making money above everything else, that is also reflection of the state of that society but the profit motive also influences them to distort reality in ways that they believe will make them a profit. Society does influence all of the materialism that is portrayed in the music but those portrayals also influences society.

Oh and Hip Hop is a part of society, If we keep saying that society as a whole has to change before anything happens, it never will. A society is made up of parts and it is up to each part to take a stand. If the individual parts won't society won't. I don't believe that there is not going to be some great politician that comes down and saves everything.


That's my point though, if Hip Hop is all business, then it isn't Hip Hop. see, I understand your point about how society isn't going to be changed by one entity. We have to WANT that change and the fact is, most people don't have minds of their own so they follow what ever the media tells them is Hip Hop.

If the Pillsbury doughboy is rapping then it must be hip hop, right? I just don't buy into the excuse that money has now taken over Hip Hop to the point where we are forced to accept it or be left out. In the words of Dead Prez " I don't hate, I just stay away".

I could care less how much money or influence corporations have on hip hop. It's kind of like they hi-jacked hip hop from the real people it was intended for. When Hip Hop first got it's start in the early 70's, it was something that the majority of the country had no clue existed. It was done by young blacks in the inner city of NYC, FOR young blacks in the inner city of NYC. Just like Punk was done for young white kids in London and NYC, that was their hip hop.

Now it's all taken a turn, Hip Hop, which was once the underground voice of the minority, is now the voice of the corporation and I don't accept it being shoved down my throat. There is still real Hip Hop out there that people still consider an art form, not just a hustle on how to get rich.

If a painter is painting with the thought in his head that, "I want to sell my paintings and be rich!", then is he really a painter? As opposed to a man who doesn't paint to become rich, rather paints to paint because it's something he loves to do and he would do it for free ro get payed or whatever.

Hip Hop is lost because the creativity of it is lost for the most part. The few voices out there that are still doing it true to the art form, unfortunatly aren't being heard.