whats up with these books? they dont say anything on a right hook or left uppercut in an orthodox stance....any reasons behind this?

thanks you guys i only ask questions so i can be ignored anyways:nonono:

prsonally, i dont believe in the right hook. it feels unnatural to me and weak. i use the left upperut often tho. sometimes i lead with it its one of my fav punches, that and the left hook. and wut books r u talkin bout?

right hook is hard to land because it travels a LOOOONG distance! and it is so easy to block.

the left uppercut is hard because it is very difficult to get the correct body mechanics from the orthodox stance.

both can be very effective in close.

i tend to use a left shovel hook in place of the left uppercut i actually find it to be an effective lead. i use the right hook only when very close or to the body against a southpaw.

i dont use the right hook often only when in close and then its still pretty rare. It has to travel a long distance n most good fighters can block it. The left uppercut on the other hand i use quite alot, i like to lead with it n follow up with a straight right

Right hooks to trainers that know what they're doing is a no no. Its a counter for a left hook.Easily

I actually catch my sparring partners a lot with the right hook as i have a very weird offputting style. I move my head/upper in all directions and wait for them to try and pot shot jab me feinting with the left and jabbing to the body all the time.

After a while they get used to you just going to the body everytime they see you bob down. When i see that, the next time i bob down i feint the left again but almost throw the right around their left side from coming upwards and smack them. They usually never even see it (their words lol).

I think the deceptiveness comes from all the body jabs and feints and then the fact that as youre going downwards the shot actually comes upwards at the same time round their left shoulder so if theyve got their chin down and waiting for the jab it should be difficult to see it till its too late.

Thats how i use it anyway really ive never used it any other way other than that cos im sure id get murdered trying it another way.

Left uppercut is only useful inclose i think jack dempsey's book shows you how to throw one effectively but you have to have a much wider base to get a lot power into it. Right hook i would think is a bad idea if you stay in your stance, a straight right would be much more powerful and take a lot less time/ harder to counter. One sweet combo though is left uppercut overhand right, that is what i've been trying to do since i started working on my bob and weave.

prsonally, i dont believe in the right hook. it feels unnatural to me and weak. i use the left upperut often tho. sometimes i lead with it its one of my fav punches, that and the left hook. and wut books r u talkin bout?

"box like the pros" (joe frazier) and "the great heavybag book". neither had anything on the aforementioned punches.

sorry bout the impatience earlier guys.

Right hooks travel a long way and is easily visible. Hence it can be easily countered to devistating effect.

I rarely use it, and when i do - its when i KNOW i can land it. Or if its inclose and to the body.

I find that a right hook can be thrown very compact. I've always had pretty good succes with throwing it over the opponent's jab. I'd step in and slip to the left while throwing the left hook around his jab. Never got countered doing that...

It's not something I teach my fighters though, just a personal move that seemed to work for me.

It's not something I teach my fighters though, just a personal move that seemed to work for me.

i've been shown it. My trainer got shown it on a coaching course he went too - (to get his international standard coaching qualification). Its ok... messy at times and difficult to land. Apparently its a favourite move of Hatton aswell. So when the coach announced this to the legion of 12 year old English amatuers they automatically NEEDED to know. lol

i've been shown it. My trainer got shown it on a coaching course he went too - (to get his international standard coaching qualification). Its ok... messy at times and difficult to land. Apparently its a favourite move of Hatton aswell. So when the coach announced this to the legion of 12 year old English amatuers they automatically NEEDED to know. lol

Not everyone can do it IMO. You need to be able to read your opponent, and a lot of people just can't do that very well. In that case, yeah it might become messy and you shouldn't (can't) do it. If you can read your opponent, it's a beautiful thing. I've put people down more times with that, than all the other punches put together, and I'm actually left handed (fighting orthodox), and for years I could hardly do anything with my right hand at all. I was all jabs and left hooks... :)

I feel uncomfortable throwing the right hook and I feel it leave me too open. My coach doesnt really get me to throw many.

Not everyone can do it IMO. You need to be able to read your opponent, and a lot of people just can't do that very well. In that case, yeah it might become messy and you shouldn't (can't) do it. If you can read your opponent, it's a beautiful thing. I've put people down more times with that, than all the other punches put together, and I'm actually left handed (fighting orthodox), and for years I could hardly do anything with my right hand at all. I was all jabs and left hooks... :)

Without blowing my own trumpet! haha, i can read opponents quite well - as a shorter fighter for my weight, i slip alot of punches and rely on my reactions as part of my primarily counter-puncher style.

I get the feeling that the overhand right became messy often, because my sparring partners are always taller than me. I become off balance as a try and lean/lunge forward trying to get over the jabbing arm. (Not that i try and lunge/lean...but thats what it becomes..and therefore is wrong)... do you know what i mean?

then again - if its a Hatton move...surely its capable by a short fighter...

I think it depends a lot on the type of fighter you are, the type of punch you are used to throwing, and your fighting stance.

For someone who stays upclose on their opponent it would be easier for someone who likes to move around and keep their distance.
Also if you keep your lead shoulder practically parallel with your head it would be harder than if you had a more "square" stance as the distance to travel would be smaller.
Also a crapload of people in my gym dont turn their hooks over and wing them (which ended up with them hitting me with their palm where theres no padding and giving me a bloody nose at one point. Maybe thats how calzaghe hurts his opponents lol). If youre the kind of person who wings your shots a lot then you probably will feel more vulnerable as your shoulder isnt turned and your chin isnt tucked as well. If youre a person who weaves and bobs a lot i think its a good surprise weapon to use. Especially as so many people seem to not use it, they shouldnt have much experience dealing with it(hopefully).

With my old coach I used to throw it alot,and hurt and knock down ppl with the right hook.Then when I went to my current gym it was a no no,big time. I can see why though. Its way too open for plenty of counters. I always just throw it to the body. Or if Im close enough I'll throw a over hand right,but thats when really close to my opponent.

I used to think Tyson did it,but when he threw his right hooks alot of the times.He would switch to southpaw to throw it. It took me awhile to realize that.

With my old coach I used to throw it alot,and hurt and knock down ppl with the right hook.Then when I went to my current gym it was a no no,big time. I can see why though. Its way too open for plenty of counters. I always just throw it to the body. Or if Im close enough I'll throw a over hand right,but thats when really close to my opponent.

I used to think Tyson did it,but when he threw his right hooks alot of the times.He would switch to southpaw to throw it. It took me awhile to realize that.

All these counters you're talking about... How do you counter a counterpunch that is timed with your own jab? And with what punches?

Without blowing my own trumpet! haha, i can read opponents quite well - as a shorter fighter for my weight, i slip alot of punches and rely on my reactions as part of my primarily counter-puncher style.

I get the feeling that the overhand right became messy often, because my sparring partners are always taller than me. I become off balance as a try and lean/lunge forward trying to get over the jabbing arm. (Not that i try and lunge/lean...but thats what it becomes..and therefore is wrong)... do you know what i mean?

I can relate to that. I would mostly throw it against opponents my height or lower.

All these counters you're talking about... How do you counter a counterpunch that is timed with your own jab? And with what punches?

countered with a jab,left hook,left hook to the body,slipped and a left uppercut.

countered with a jab,left hook,left hook to the body,slipped and a left uppercut.

I don't think you understand. The punch I'm talking about IS a counter.

The opponent throws a jab, I time it and slip to the left, while bringing a right hook over his jab. He can NOT do ANY of the things you suggest, while he's throwing a jab. My hook lands at the exact time he is expecting his jab to land. By that time slipping or countering is too late.

I don't think you understand. The punch I'm talking about IS a counter.

The opponent throws a jab, I time it and slip to the left, while bringing a right hook over his jab. He can NOT do ANY of the things you suggest, while he's throwing a jab. My hook lands at the exact time he is expecting his jab to land. By that time slipping or countering is too late.

I sorta went passed on what you were saying. You're right.