Seriously...

He's the only guy I'd have to pick over anyone at 135, even (dare I say it) a prime Duran or Chavez.

Am I crazy or what?

no I agree.. at 135 he was untouchable.

i think a 135 floyd gives him trouble just because he could match him speed for speed, plus is taller and packed a hellava punch at that weight, but thats it.

If i remember correctly he was 32-0 (30) fighting at light weight.

Roy Jones said in an interview once ..."He's the greatest lightweight of all time, maybe after Roberto Duran"

a prime duran or JCC would prob beat him but he was an amazing lightweight

Mosley had his off days at lightweight. If he dominated the divison i wasn't impressed the way he went about it. I think he is a better welterweight then lightweight.

Huge let down fight, his fight with Philip Holiday. Mosley gassed out in the later part and just boxed his way to a victory. His fight with Leija, Molina and Johnson weren't impressive to me at all. He impressed me more as a welterweight.

I don't think he's the best lightweight. Mayweather keep challenging him to a fight. Why that fight didn't happen im not sure.

Seriously...

He's the only guy I'd have to pick over anyone at 135, even (dare I say it) a prime Duran or Chavez.

Am I crazy or what?
You're nuts. Do you know who he was beating at 135 when he looked so unbeatable? The guys he beat were weak challengers that allowed him to look superhuman. He had no big time victories at 135 and no big names. His best victory was against Holiday. He never fought Stevie Johnston, if he had fought him and beat then I could see your point.

Based on what? He had great potential but his body of work in that division is terrible. His best win was over Phillip Holiday. Enough said really...

He just seemed to have so much of everything at 135, it was insane. he was also considered p4p best at that time too if I remember right?

I don't know but damn, he was ridiculous at 135.

his opposition was decent at best.

duran would beat mosley @ 135. so would whitaker, maybe chavez and mayweather too.

maybe whitaker.. thats all though... but i still think not.

Everybody always talks about how big a fighter is at his division.

Just to let you know as an amature Mosley left the amature weighing 139. Got to the pros weighing in at 135.

Chavez then Tszyu were doing damage at the time Mosley would have turned pro. Seems to me Mosley avoided Chavez to dominate at 135.

Mosley imo, use to always gas out at lightweight do to the fact that he was not a lightweight, but a jr.welterweight/welterweight squezzing into a lightweight frame.

Mosley made a wise decicion to drop in weight and fight smaller fighters.

Mosley had his off days at lightweight. If he dominated the divison i wasn't impressed the way he went about it. I think he is a better welterweight then lightweight.

Huge let down fight, his fight with Philip Holiday. Mosley gassed out in the later part and just boxed his way to a victory. His fight with Leija, Molina and Johnson weren't impressive to me at all. He impressed me more as a welterweight.

I don't think he's the best lightweight. Mayweather keep challenging him to a fight. Why that fight didn't happen im not sure.
you just mad he beat vargas twice :p :lol1:

Mosley did not beat anyone relevant at 135, so it's really hard to imagine how he would do against the greats of that class.

If Duran could beat Leonard, he would most likely be able to beat Mosley.

you just mad he beat vargas twice :p :lol1:

yea what he said ^^

yea what he said ^^

Both Molina and Leija put up a fight agianst Mosely, even Holiday held his own. Not impressive.

John Brown. Deigo Corrales beat him more impressive then did Mosley.

Great Boxer SSM!!! But better as he moved up!!! Never shys away from a challenge!!!

mosley would knock out duran at lw
they both liked to fight
but mosley was faster n quicker

and chavez woulda defnitley lossed
whitaker handled chavez easily
meldrick taylor beat em for 12 and a half rounds
shane mosley and his chin woulda proved dominant
he woulda stould up to jcc
he was quicker,faster,stronger and he had a chin

mosley was the greates lightweight ever to me

mosley would knock out duran at lw
they both liked to fight
but mosley was faster n quicker

and chavez woulda defnitley lossed
whitaker handled chavez easily
meldrick taylor beat em for 12 and a half rounds
shane mosley and his chin woulda proved dominant
he woulda stould up to jcc
he was quicker,faster,stronger and he had a chin

mosley was the greates lightweight ever to me

go watch taylor chavez again. I have never seen a bloody pulp handle aything easily. A bloody pulp is what Taylor was by the end of that fight. (And I am one of those who thinks Richard Steele should have left that fight go on those 2 secs)

Mosley KOs Duran... LOL I have seen them all now.

he atleast beat jon jon molina and leija
also phillip holliday
maybe he was the one being ducked???i'd say
only one who might beat em at light is whitaker,floyd(maybe)
if floyd n shane fought now-its a coin toss

No One Is Unbeatable

mosley would knock out duran at lw
they both liked to fight
but mosley was faster n quicker

and chavez woulda defnitley lossed
whitaker handled chavez easily
meldrick taylor beat em for 12 and a half rounds
shane mosley and his chin woulda proved dominant
he woulda stould up to jcc
he was quicker,faster,stronger and he had a chin

mosley was the greates lightweight ever to me

at lightweight?no.mosley was good.really good,but it took one of the hardest punchers p4p all time in hearns to knock him out.

Prime duran is gettin gKO'd
Come on. He is so overrated. He had a great chin!!

there are no comparisons to leonard-mosley
so nobody can say duran would beat shane
shane was slicker than leonard
and probably matched his handspeed
he also has a great chin
and great power at lightweight as well
duran would get stopped,ko'd or no mas
easy

Prime duran is gettin gKO'd
Come on. He is so overrated. He had a great chin!!

Duran was overrated at lightweight? Ummm..ok.

Duran would be on Mosley like nothing he had ever seen before. Duran was an absolute terror at lightweight, an animal.

there are no comparisons to leonard-mosley
so nobody can say duran would beat shane
shane was slicker than leonard
and probably matched his handspeed
he also has a great chin
and great power at lightweight as well
duran would get stopped,ko'd or no mas
easy


Lets see..Duran was ferocious at lightweight. He had a great chin, great power, a very underrated defense and he would do whatever it took to win. The way you guys dismiss Duran borders on criminal.

Interesting poll results.

A few that could give him run for his money at Lightweight.

Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Oscar De La Hoya
Julio Cesar Chavez
Alexis Arguello
Pernell Whitaker

i think a 135 floyd gives him trouble just because he could match him speed for speed, plus is taller and packed a hellava punch at that weight, but thats it.

Floyd taller than Shane? When did that happen, Floyd is 5'8" and Shane is 5'9" last time I checked. And no way Floyd packed more punch than Shane at 135.

mosley's level of opposition at lightweight left a lot to be desired.

it's easier 2 say someone looks unbeatable when he's facing a lower caliber of opponents.

Is this thread supposed to be a joke? Armstrong would maul him, so would Duran, Gans would outpoint him and I could think of others as well.

Is this thread supposed to be a joke? Armstrong would maul him, so would Duran, Gans would outpoint him and I could think of others as well.

the bigger joke than the thread itself is the fact that nearly half the voters say mosley was unbeatable at 135.

Is this thread supposed to be a joke? Armstrong would maul him, so would Duran, Gans would outpoint him and I could think of others as well.

Just saw some footage of Armstrong, the guy was pretty amazing. Only guy EVER to hold the Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight titles AT THE SAME TIME. 101 KO's in 149 wins pretty impressive for a lighter fighter often in the ring with much bigger and taller opponents.

only people i'd say would probly beat shane at LW is...

whitaker...(too crafty,smart and elusive)
pbf...(we all know floys will giv any1 a run)

evry1 who was out there at the time couldnt beat mosley

stevie johnston
chavez...(woulda been easy for mosley)
miguel gonzales
rahilou
frankie randall
vince phillips

I could see Chavez beating Mosely by late round knockout or semi close decision. Chavez had his hands full with Taylor but ultimately won (wether Steele won it for Chavez or not is debateable) but I don't think Mosely was as quick as Taylor and iirc no where near the punch output. Couple the previous factors with Mosely's inferior determination I don't give him much of a chance. I think it would be a worse scenario vs Duran with Shane taking a terrific beating before being stopped in 9.

I give Mosely a bigger benefit against Mayweather. Similar speed and obviously great condition but Mosely going forward and Floyd going backward = Shane on points in a boring fight.

Just saw some footage of Armstrong, the guy was pretty amazing. Only guy EVER to hold the Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight titles AT THE SAME TIME. 101 KO's in 149 wins pretty impressive for a lighter fighter often in the ring with much bigger and taller opponents.

he retired barney ross

Any thread with 'unbeatable?' in the title cannot be taken seriously.

This thread is a joke.

Seriously...

He's the only guy I'd have to pick over anyone at 135, even (dare I say it) a prime Duran or Chavez.

Am I crazy or what?
No I don't think you are crazy but you must be putting us on mate. For a start, Mosley couldn't beat PACQUIAOU in ANY WEIGHT CLASS, and WHAT ABOUT the "Will O'Wisp" or a certain HENRY ARMSTRONG, They'd MOIDER 'IM.

I think Mosley vs Duran and Chavez are 50/50 fights as those would be wars and Mosley has the power chin and heart to match anybody. But Mosley gets beaten easily by boxers like Mayweather or Camacho

He looked incredible at lightweight, but he didn't beat anyone good enough to say he'd be invincible. Duran and Sweet Pea would both whoop him. Impressive fighter though.

only people i'd say would probly beat shane at LW is...

whitaker...(too crafty,smart and elusive)
pbf...(we all know floys will giv any1 a run)

evry1 who was out there at the time couldnt beat mosley

stevie johnston
chavez...(woulda been easy for mosley)
miguel gonzales
rahilou
frankie randall
vince phillips
Guy's that would beat Mosley,....PAC-MAN, B. LEONARD, DURAN, I. WILLIAMS, "HOMICIDE", BEAU JACK, MANDELL, WELSH, B. MONTGOMERY, C. ORTIZ, "OLD BONES", CARTER, and there are more. The Lightweight division is one of the 3 oldest and a case can be argued for it to be division with the best top 200 fighters of all, to be an UNDISPUTED Lighyweight Champ a fighter had to be awesome, whether in 1880 or whether it's the 1970's or now ( as long as it's undisputed ).

Guy's that would beat Mosley,....PAC-MAN, B. LEONARD, DURAN, I. WILLIAMS, "HOMICIDE", BEAU JACK, MANDELL, WELSH, B. MONTGOMERY, C. ORTIZ, "OLD BONES", CARTER, and there are more. The Lightweight division is one of the 3 oldest and a case can be argued for it to be division with the best top 200 fighters of all, to be an UNDISPUTED Lighyweight Champ a fighter had to be awesome, whether in 1880 or whether it's the 1970's or now ( as long as it's undisputed ).

Good post. 135 is one of the richest divisions in boxing history, Mosley in no way should be considered unbeatable at the weight.

Guy's that would beat Mosley,....PAC-MAN, B. LEONARD, DURAN, I. WILLIAMS, "HOMICIDE", BEAU JACK, MANDELL, WELSH, B. MONTGOMERY, C. ORTIZ, "OLD BONES", CARTER, and there are more. The Lightweight division is one of the 3 oldest and a case can be argued for it to be division with the best top 200 fighters of all, to be an UNDISPUTED Lighyweight Champ a fighter had to be awesome, whether in 1880 or whether it's the 1970's or now ( as long as it's undisputed ).

You can throw Joe Gans, Barney Ross and Tony Canzoneri in there as well.

Whitaker and Duran would've ripped mosley up.

he was a very good LW
his run of 7 knockout victories defending his strap (i believe it was seven straight) is very impressive

he had speed speed speed, especially of hand
he was a very effective puncher against guys that size


but i will say that common opponents say that oscar was the better, harder punching LW
james leija (solid pro, won a world title, fought both,) said that the difference between the two was that oscar punched like a HW

at LW oscar is one of the hardest punchers i've ever seen with that hook
according to a recent interview in the ring (magazine, retirement interview i believe) he says that he stopped punching with the same sort of power and angle with his knuckles after he broke his hand badly for the first time in a fight at LW


so i think oscar beats him at LW to answer your op. close decision with the harder punches from oscar winning the fight. i think he fought taller at LW, and would have done better with that style at that weight against mosley, and the extra weight helped mosley take the punches at WW, because if there was a bigger possible LW, it was oscar


but shane was a very solid LW
that's a tough style to deal with, a guy with size, speed, a decent jab (which at lw shane did. he abandoned it at higher weights for power punches) and a chin of stone
and obviously the power


but no, he certainly wasn't unbeatable

Duran, Joe Gans, Armstrong, Benny Leonard, Tony Cazoneri, Pernell Whitaker, Freddy Welsh and Barney Ross would all beat Mosley. Mayweather and Pacman too. Probably De La Hoya too, lightweight was where Oscar was at his best.

The closest too unbeatable at lightweight was Roberto Duran.

No. He was impressive, but he never fought the type of competition to say he's unbeatable. Not even close IMO.

Granted Mosley was past his prime - but consider the way Floyd made him look like a complete amateur. It was like a cat toying with a maimed bird.

Then consider Mosley's painful displays against Wright & Forrest. Both good boxers - but nothing extraordinary.

Based on this evidence if Mosley is simply "unbeatable" at 135 then 135 must rank as one of the worst weight divisions in the history of the sport. And let me say that I like Shane also!

I Cant read this thread. It hurt my head. Its freakin terrible. I read page 1 and 3 and it was just pathetic.

Shane ran through mediocre to decent comp at lw, of course he's gonna look amazing. Wtf is wrong with people????

He fought like 2 or 3 ranked guys.

He fought like 2 or 3 ranked guys.

:haha::haha:


I can't what the TS' motive is here? Is it to prop up Floyd, is he a huge Shane fan?


:thumbsdow

:haha::haha:


I can't what the TS' motive is here? Is it to prop up Floyd, is he a huge Shane fan?


:thumbsdow

It's just a bumped 07 thread.

Im glad i post in the history section now and not back then

It's hilarious how no one in 2007 gave Pacquiao a single mention. It was only 4 year and 39 posts later someone crept up with his name.

At Lightweight Mosley would have battered Pacquiao imo.

It's hilarious how no one in 2007 gave Pacquiao a single mention. It was only 4 year and 39 posts later someone crept up with his name.

At Lightweight Mosley would have battered Pacquiao imo.

Not for nothing, but Pac didn't move up to 135 till 2008. Just saying.....

It's hilarious how no one in 2007 gave Pacquiao a single mention. It was only 4 year and 39 posts later someone crept up with his name.

At Lightweight Mosley would have battered Pacquiao imo.

Back then no one would ever dream of putting Pacqiauo in the Top 50 of all time even, I can't recall a single list that had him amongst the Top 50 around 07 and 08 (before he fought Oscar).

Now, people believe it's consensus to have him atleast in the Top 25, which I find preposterous personally.

I don't believe he has done close to enough since 2008 to have such a drastic enhancement to his ranking. Top 50? Yes. But not much higher than that.

In terms of the thread;

Mosley isn't close to unbeatable at 135. Ken Buchanan would beat Mosley easily, let alone the likes of Whitaker and the rest.

Mosely's speed, power and chin were very good at lightweight. BUT
he had terrible stamina at the weight. Great fighters would eat him alive in mid to late rounds of a fight.
bad stamina takes away from a fighters durablity...............
:)

He never fought Stevie Johnston or Orzubek Nazarov, both who were champions at the same time as he.

Mosely's speed, power and chin were very good at lightweight. BUT
he had terrible stamina at the weight. Great fighters would eat him alive in mid to late rounds of a fight.
bad stamina takes away from a fighters durablity...............
:)

Shane's stamina was never and has never been very good IMO.

He always loses steam late and gets lathargic in the second half of fights.

The first Forrest fight for example.