http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/10/jay-z-american-.html

This preview has me excited, I hearing real good things about Jay's new album. Might be another classic from Hov...

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/10/jay-z-american-.html

This preview has me excited, I hearing real good things about Jay's new album. Might be another classic from Hov...

jay z should retire for good hes wack

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/10/jay-z-american-.html

This preview has me excited, I hearing real good things about Jay's new album. Might be another classic from Hov...

I'll be satisfied if it's better than Kingdom Come.

I still remember the hype from Kingdom Come and how that was going to be a classic for Jay-Z, that turned out to be garbage...

I'll be satisfied if it's better than Kingdom Come.

Good news for you, I've heard from several sources who claim to have previewed the album that its definitley better than Kingdom Come.


By the way, Godz, your a Celtics fan right? KG insane yesterday, the big three played well.

Good news for you, I've heard from several sources who claim to have previewed the album that its definitley better than Kingdom Come.


By the way, Godz, your a Celtics fan right? KG insane yesterday, the big three played well.

Yeah, go Celtics.:boxing:

Jay Z. Greatest rapper of all time. Period.

Jay Z. Greatest rapper of all time. Period.

IMO, Jay-Z belongs in the top 5. Godzhand is going to pissed at me...:)

IMO, Jay-Z belongs in the top 5. Godzhand is going to pissed at me...:)

Rakim,KRS,Chuck D,LL, Slick Rick, Scarface,Kool G Rap........I could keep going:luvbed:

Did Kool G Rap invent that style he uses?

Rakim,KRS,Chuck D,LL, Slick Rick, Scarface,Kool G Rap........I could keep going:luvbed:


lol. Its tough, so many great rappers...

Rakim,KRS,Chuck D,LL, Slick Rick, Scarface,Kool G Rap........I could keep going:luvbed:

Hahaha. You're not being serious surely?

Chuck D? Are you kidding me?

Did Kool G Rap invent that style he uses?

As far as anyone knows.

Reasonable Doubt can fairly be considered a top 5 album but I don't think Jay Z cannot be considered a top 5 rapper. Reasonable Doubt by itself is not enough to put him there.

Reasonable Doubt can fairly be considered a top 5 album but I don't think Jay Z cannot be considered a top 5 rapper. Reasonable Doubt by itself is not enough to put him there.

Personally I thought The Blueprint, The Black Album and In My Lifetime vol. 1 were classic aswell. Vol. 1 is a close call because of a couple songs he should have left off it. Many also don't agree with me on the Black album but I think that was an incredible album, just my opinion.

Chuck D? Are you kidding me?

Jay-Z ahead of Chuck D? Certainly, you're the one that's attempting the kidding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_D

Jay-Z ahead of Chuck D? Certainly, you're the one that's attempting the kidding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_D

Chuck D named Jay-Z as "the greatest emcee of all time" and "the embodiment of all of the emcees up to his point". He also said a few years back that Nas "couldn't compare".[7] -wiki
Halftimeonline: Why is that?

"Chuck D: Because he is the embodiment of all of the emcees up to his point. Just like Jordan you have to admit he’s the best because he is the embodiment of all of the players up to his point. You had Doc, Elgin Baylor, the tenacity of Bill Russell, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and then he had to come through Isaiah and then you finally say Jordan. Same thing with Jay-Z you have Mele Mel the power, Kool Moe Dee the wit and execution, you have KRS-ONE who’s the most feared rapper of all time, and one of the most innovative rappers in Rakim. Jay is the epitome of all of those guys up to his point. The bottom line that told me he was the top dude is his performance. Once he played the Hard Knock Life tour in 97 and had to come on after DMX was putting it to his ass. That took a lot of courage and ability for him to get out there and he did it. From there I said this dude is messing with different levels. I think he carries the standard and he’s fearless in his stage show. When people try to debate me I’m usually like have you ever performed on a stage at a high level before? One of the biggest problems of rap music and hip hop are that the books written about it are rarely done by the cats who were on stage or behind the tables. Walt Frazier just put out a book called ‘The Game Behind The Game’ now I’m reading that book! Too many books about hip hop are written by cats who just liked it. It’s like do you understand what it is to be in a stadium and perform at a high level. I’m not necessarily saying one person’s grade is higher than another’s but I definitely know what I’m talking about. There’s gonna be people past Jay-Z but I think he has epitomized the standards of what it is to be the best.

Halftimeonline: A lot of people’s criticism of Jay-Z has always been that he chooses not to live up to his potential and dumbs down his music. He never makes a song as intricate as say Nas although we all know he could.

Chuck D: But Bill Russell blocked shots without blocking them. Jay-Z says something dynamic and intricate in his simplicity. Another thing is he is carrying a wit that a lot of other cats don’t have the maturity to carry. You can’t be young and have wit. You need some kind of knowledge, wisdom, and understanding to have a quick wit. You also have to have the skill to bring that across in a rhyme. He dumbed it down but it’s like a person like Kobe Bryant who could get 15 assists but decides to go to the hoop. Do you have problems fundamentally with that? Maybe but based on his abilities you know that he could. Same with Jay-Z he could easily be as deep as somebody else. I dig Talib and Mos Def and people ask me what’s the difference between a Mos Def and myself and I say I came with a team. We were like the ‘89 Detroit Pistons. I’ve never been an individual but if you talk about individual rhymers I’ve never cared too much about them anyway because an individual can only do so much. I think Jay-z, as an individual, pulled out all the stops on the Hard Knock Life Tour. He put out a little circus around him. It’s all about performance gentleman. Name your five favorite rappers and I’m gonna interject."
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http://halftimeonline.com/hip-hop-icon-series/chuck-d-public-enemy/1/

I guess Chuck thinks highly of Jay-Z. I wouldn't say greatest of all time but hes up there.

The thing about Jay is that he's not consistant, and if I recall he has like 9-12 albums out and maybe 3-4 are worth checking out, but thats my opininon, I think he belongs in maybe the 25 top emcee's but NEVER top 5.

The thing about Jay is that he's not consistant, and if I recall he has like 9-12 albums out and maybe 3-4 are worth checking out, but thats my opininon, I think he belongs in maybe the 25 top emcee's but NEVER top 5.

Most people say thats the best thing about him, his consistency. Just goes to show that everybody sees things differently. Its all good. I bet your excited for Wu-Tang's new album...


On a side note, I just found another person who claims to have heard the new Jay-Z album. They are saying its "lyrically heavy", I'm really getting pumped for this cd.

http://www.nobodysmiling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143837

Chuck D? Are you kidding me?

Seriously. I think he's so overrated.

So he had political views. He took chances. He was average imo.

Most people say thats the best thing about him, his consistency. Just goes to show that everybody sees things differently. Its all good. I bet your excited for Wu-Tang's new album...


On a side note, I just found another person who claims to have heard the new Jay-Z album. They are saying its "lyrically heavy", I'm really getting pumped for this cd.

http://www.nobodysmiling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143837

lol, never heard that he was consistant, usually on his crappy albums he's got like 3-4 and the other 10 songs are garbage. Sometimes he just can't feel the emotion of a beat, like the song "Beach Chair", the instrumental spoke for itself, but he ruined it with cheesy flow and lyrics, the rest was good, i still listin to that song, but when he starts rapping i turn it down.

lol, never heard that he was consistant, usually on his crappy albums he's got like 3-4 and the other 10 songs are garbage. Sometimes he just can't feel the emotion of a beat, like the song "Beach Chair", the instrumental spoke for itself, but he ruined it with cheesy flow and lyrics, the rest was good, i still listin to that song, but when he starts rapping i turn it down.


Its all good, thats your opinion. Did you like that new Wu-Tang song?
Gently Weeps I think its called? I like Wu-tang, they are real creative.

Its all good, thats your opinion. Did you like that new Wu-Tang song?
Gently Weeps I think its called? I like Wu-tang, they are real creative.

Lol yea, but at first I hated it, but then I listined to it again and then I couldn't stop listining to it. But Raekwon is gettin' lazy on the mike and Meth's vocals were to gruff and ruined the the emotion of the song, but like always, Ghost killed it and made me feel the song. It's their first single, but I know it won't do good because kids ain't looking for meaning nowadays, I guess I'm the only pure 14-year old white boy :/

Jay-Z is the definition of garbage. Reasonable Doubt had what only two good songs on it? In My Lifetime was horrible, Hard Knock Life was decent after that everything=useless puke.

Tupac hit em up.

Lol yea, but at first I hated it, but then I listined to it again and then I couldn't stop listining to it. But Raekwon is gettin' lazy on the mike and Meth's vocals were to gruff and ruined the the emotion of the song, but like always, Ghost killed it and made me feel the song. It's their first single, but I know it won't do good because kids ain't looking for meaning nowadays, I guess I'm the only pure 14-year old white boy :/

I need to listen to it more, I thought it was cool the first time around. The best thing about it is the creativness of it. Yeah its too bad that Wu-Tang probably won't sell alot of records unless they come up with a single that appeals to the mainstream. Real hip hop fans will appreciate the album...

lol, never heard that he was consistant, usually on his crappy albums he's got like 3-4 and the other 10 songs are garbage. Sometimes he just can't feel the emotion of a beat, like the song "Beach Chair", the instrumental spoke for itself, but he ruined it with cheesy flow and lyrics, the rest was good, i still listin to that song, but when he starts rapping i turn it down.

Vol.3...The Life and Times of S.Carter is the only album with 10 tracks garbage that you speak of (Do It Again (Put Ya Hands Up), Dopeman, Big Pimpin', So Ghetto, and the Intro are dope...the rest are hot garbage) but every other single album he has put out has been dope as ****. Reasonable Doubt is a classic, Vol1 is a classic (1 bad track - I Know What Girls Like, but it was the single so I'll let him have a club hit), Vol.2 had some of the best lyricism I've ever heard from jay, Vol 3 was hot garbage, Dynasty Roc La Familia was just a sick album musically (classic if it wasn't for some weak verses from Memphis Bleek & Beanie Sigel). The Blueprint is a classic even though Em outshines him. The Black Album is even better and only one bad song (but it was the single - Change Clothes). Kingdome Come is also a solid album.

But seriously...you being 14 I don't know how you can have an opinion on a lot of his music (no offense). Jay's versatlilty is second to none and he can flow with the best of 'em and ride any hot beat thats put in front of him (how many people can rip up 'Dirt Off My Shoulder'?). The man can make concious tracks, club bangers, chill music, **** to smoke to, all that ****.......The GOD!

Jay-Z is the definition of garbage. Reasonable Doubt had what only two good songs on it? In My Lifetime was horrible, Hard Knock Life was decent after that everything=useless puke.

Tupac hit em up.

Jay-Z ain't garbage, he's just inconsistant, but if you say Reasonable Doubt is garbage and Hard Knock Life? To me he's either had a classic album or garbage ones, and maybe only 3 completley garbage ones, the rest are ok. but garbage? are you one of those dudes thats still stuck on 2Pac??? No offense but 2Pac is the most overrated MC and not even credible enough to deserve a spot in the top 10.

Jay-Z ain't garbage, he's just inconsistant, but if you say Reasonable Doubt is garbage and Hard Knock Life? To me he's either had a classic album or garbage ones, and maybe only 3 completley garbage ones, the rest are ok. but garbage? are you one of those dudes thats still stuck on 2Pac??? No offense but 2Pac is the most overrated MC and not even credible enough to deserve a spot in the top 10.

That's false. Jay is extremely consisten and hasn't put out weak material with the exception of Vol 3 with had a couple gems.

Jay-Z ain't garbage, he's just inconsistant, but if you say Reasonable Doubt is garbage and Hard Knock Life? To me he's either had a classic album or garbage ones, and maybe only 3 completley garbage ones, the rest are ok. but garbage? are you one of those dudes thats still stuck on 2Pac??? No offense but 2Pac is the most overrated MC and not even credible enough to deserve a spot in the top 10.

Lmao even Tupac after he died released better freestyles and lyrics than Jay "izzo jigga what jigga this I suck and make lame sayings" Z. Comparing pac with z is a disgrace.

Tupac's Makaveli intro is better than anything Jay-Z will ever do.

Lmao even Tupac after he died released better freestyles and lyrics than Jay "izzo jigga what jigga this I suck and make lame sayings" Z. Comparing pac with z is a disgrace.

Tupac's Makaveli intro is better than anything Jay-Z will ever do.

Pac's lyrical ability is extremely overrated. And you know it.

Vol.3...The Life and Times of S.Carter is the only album with 10 tracks garbage that you speak of (Do It Again (Put Ya Hands Up), Dopeman, Big Pimpin', So Ghetto, and the Intro are dope...the rest are hot garbage) but every other single album he has put out has been dope as ****. Reasonable Doubt is a classic, Vol1 is a classic (1 bad track - I Know What Girls Like, but it was the single so I'll let him have a club hit), Vol.2 had some of the best lyricism I've ever heard from jay, Vol 3 was hot garbage, Dynasty Roc La Familia was just a sick album musically (classic if it wasn't for some weak verses from Memphis Bleek & Beanie Sigel). The Blueprint is a classic even though Em outshines him. The Black Album is even better and only one bad song (but it was the single - Change Clothes). Kingdome Come is also a solid album.

But seriously...you being 14 I don't know how you can have an opinion on a lot of his music (no offense). Jay's versatlilty is second to none and he can flow with the best of 'em and ride any hot beat thats put in front of him (how many people can rip up 'Dirt Off My Shoulder'?). The man can make concious tracks, club bangers, chill music, **** to smoke to, all that ****.......The GOD!

lol yea, actually I agree with you for the most part, I just don't like the fact that he gets lazy and makes garbage albums. I'd like more lyrical songs' like "99 Problems" was, because that song had a story and clever lyrical **** on that track that had me trippin. Don't use me being 14 against me 'cause half the people who talk to me over the net think im like 28 until I tell them I'm 14, because I always try to be the farthest thing from being ignorant and try to look at both sides of a story first before I talk trash.

lol yea, actually I agree with you for the most part, I just don't like the fact that he gets lazy and makes garbage albums. I'd like more lyrical songs' like "99 Problems" was, because that song had a story and clever lyrical **** on that track that had me trippin. Don't use me being 14 against me 'cause half the people who talk to me over the net think im like 28 until I tell them I'm 14, because I always try to be the farthest thing from being ignorant and try to look at both sides of a story first before I talk trash.

That's great, but seriously, you're 14. You can't appreciate what half these dudes are saying, because you haven't really lived. People your age are worrying about talking to their special crush & playing xbox.

But seriously bro, how can you feel what these dudes are saying, or 'the emotion' as you say.

Jay-Z is garbage. He has never been inconsistent. Yea Tupac may have over rated lyrical ability many think (mainly the white boy ICP fans or Eminem fans) but Jay-Z is far worse. Calling him better than Pac you should hang yoself b.

That's great, but seriously, you're 14. You can't appreciate what half these dudes are saying, because you haven't really lived. People your age are worrying about talking to their special crush & playing xbox.

But seriously bro, how can you feel what these dudes are saying, or 'the emotion' as you say.

You'd be surprised, I really don't understand what age has to do with anything, everyone can feel the <i> 'emotion' </i> of a song bro. But one reason is is that I grew up on rap and I take music seriously, considering even my mother and 6 siblings listin to this ****, it's basically life lessons for certain songs to me. But there's a variety of different songs. Like I won't listin to smokin' songs because I don't smoke weed, I won't listin to club songs because I'm not even allowed in clubs nor does anyone throw big partys anymore. get me?

You'd be surprised, I really don't understand what age has to do with anything, everyone can feel the <i> 'emotion' </i> of a song bro. But one reason is is that I grew up on rap and I take music seriously, considering even my mother and 6 siblings listin to this ****, it's basically life lessons for certain songs to me. But there's a variety of different songs. Like I won't listin to smokin' songs because I don't smoke weed, I won't listin to club songs because I'm not even allowed in clubs nor does anyone throw big partys anymore. get me?

OK. You were raised on hip hop? How can you have wu-tang in your sig and they talkin about shadowboxing and kung fu? Or Ghostface who is talking about coke and ****...(the only coke you've seen is on TV).

Jay-Z is garbage. He has never been inconsistent. Yea Tupac may have over rated lyrical ability many think (mainly the white boy ICP fans or Eminem fans) but Jay-Z is far worse. Calling him better than Pac you should hang yoself b.

Jay-Z far worse?? Shoot your****ing self. I look around at Hip-Hop heads, and not ONE of them care for Tupac, because what ever song he does, there's always a better srtist with a better version of a type of song Tupac does.

Jay-Z is the definition of garbage. Reasonable Doubt had what only two good songs on it? In My Lifetime was horrible, Hard Knock Life was decent after that everything=useless puke.

Tupac hit em up.

Lol ALT....

Jay-Z calls the cops when he hears Tupac. Get out the way yo get out the way yo Biggie Smalls just got shot.

OK. You were raised on hip hop? How can you have wu-tang in your sig and they talkin about shadowboxing and kung fu? Or Ghostface who is talking about coke and ****...(the only coke you've seen is on TV).

You act like every rapper is one-diminsional. Why you tryna start **** over the net?? What do you know me? I ain;t tryna act like I live in no ghetto, but I've seen the **** they talk about and people for the most part at least see that type of **** at least once throughout their lifespan wether they live in Beverly Hills or Harlem, there's nothing different between human beings and your failed attempts to try and prove that wrong subliminaly.

Jay-Z calls the cops when he hears Tupac. Get out the way yo get out the way yo Biggie Smalls just got shot.

"Drop a Gem on 'Em" is all I gotta say........

Jay-Z had the oppurtunity for longevity. Pac had the talent to recreate himself like Jay has done throughout the years. Remember Pac did all of his stuff before he was 25. Jay-Z is close to 40. 13 extra years in the game to prove yourself definitely helps.

Jay-Z had the oppurtunity for longevity. Pac had the talent to recreate himself like Jay has done throughout the years. Remember Pac did all of his stuff before he was 25. Jay-Z is close to 40. 13 extra years in the game to prove yourself definitely helps.

Fuh sho. Pac and Jay both had star appeal. That's what most of these rappers dont have. You just cant buy that ****. Lil Wayne's got it. Rich Boy swagger jacked all of the best south characteristics...but dude's a clown. he comes across as a fraud.

That's false. Jay is extremely consisten and hasn't put out weak material with the exception of Vol 3 with had a couple gems.

Exactly. Jay Z has produced good albums consistently for the last 11 years. In his early albums his lyrics were phenomenal and when he hit a dry patch around Vol. 3 he hooked up with top producers which ensured that even the weak tracks he made could be pulled through by awesome hooks.

With regards to 2Pac, I don't want to criticise him too much because I like some of his music and I used to love alot of it but it has to be said that much of his popularity is because of this martyr status he has achieved.

http://allhiphop.com/blogs/features/archive/2007/10/08/18703929.aspx


Another American Gangster preview. Jay said its a mix between Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint...:headbang:

Nas - "Call yourself gangsta but you were begging for pardon that night in Carbon when Terror Squad flipped on your squadron tried to front on their checks till Pun put a gun to your chest."

It was on the mixtape version of ether... supposedly fat joe told nas to take it out

Pun also smashed a bottle over that ****y rappers head and jay z took it like a *****

You can never confuse someone's artistic contribution with their opinion. People like to heap all kind of prasies on whoever is on top. Chuck D did it with Jay, Rakim did it with Eminem. It's also true that when many of the pioneers of rap see how far others have taken it FINANCIALLY and in terms of world influence, their overhwhelmed by it. Jay Z is Michael Jordan when it comes to the rap MARKET but not when it comes to the rap CRAFT.

By the way, He even admits that reasonable Doubt was the only pure street album he put out (In his Centerstage interview). Jay had the potential to not just be a big name but a great artist, but as Nas said in Ether "You sold your soul for riches". Still, a real album from Jay Z now would do nothing but good things both for the East Coast and for Rap music in general. I hope he makes an artistic comeback and I can begin to change my opinion.

Jay Z. Greatest rapper of all time. Period.

Jay z is horrible with his camel looking ass

Jay z is horrible with his camel looking ass

I'll stick to the music side of things and you can stick to judging how attractive they are. :love: