View Full Version : Does the UFC fix fights??


mrpain81
10-06-2007, 06:23 PM
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Discuss Please

2swell k-wells
10-06-2007, 07:03 PM
I dont think so, sometimes I think they do but if they did we wouldve seen Couture vs Cro Cop and Wanderlei vs Liddell when we wanted. The judging though is quite crappy.

vinnie7731
10-06-2007, 07:18 PM
i dont think they fix fights. i hope they dont. some of the judging has been a bit shady, ex. hamill/bisping, griffin/ortiz. if your talking about the picture, it looks weird, i know but i think shamrock is going for a heel hook. who knows

Liaison
10-06-2007, 07:27 PM
Yeah, that was suspicious and if there***8217;s one guy willing to take a ***8220;dive***8221;, it***8217;s ol***8217; Kenny. I***8217;m sure it still happens at a lot at smaller events but in the UFC, I doubt it. Clearly not as much of an issue in US/Europe as it was in the Far East (Pancrase fixing fights with injured fighters/Coleman vs. Takada???)

Palma
10-06-2007, 07:33 PM
WHHHOOAAHHH!!!

That was very suspicious indeed. first it looked as if he had slipped trying to weave the punch, but after watching it several times over I have to agree that it appears that he took a dive. Too bad Silva will not be so easy to pay off!

Virgil Caine
10-07-2007, 01:43 AM
It does look suspicious, but Ken was going far a shot i think, and off balance, and it looks like the punch was on the point of the chin. Also, its very difficult to gauge the power from this video and i havent seen the fight so i dont know what happend next. I agree that if anyone's willing to take a dive it'd be ken.

kaps
10-07-2007, 03:09 AM
They cant fix fights, not legally, the NSAC would fine them soooo ****ing much. It is true that Ken flopped in that fight though, but what fallowed was some pretty brutal ground and pound, I dont think you can fake getting hit so hard your head bounces off the mat....

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-07-2007, 05:49 AM
Nah. Just incompetent judges.

Undefeated
10-07-2007, 05:55 AM
No it's not fixed. Ken Shamrock would then try to get a leglock on Rich Franklin.

Funny GIF though lol.

FightNight 2007
10-07-2007, 10:18 AM
He was goin go for a takedown. He was "chargin" up, but didn't land on his left foot so he fell and got ****ed up for it.

RB23
10-07-2007, 10:22 AM
Yeah the one fight that could of been fixed was Franklin vs Shamrock. But IMO Franklin would have won that fight even if it wasnt fixed.

FightNight 2007
10-07-2007, 10:24 AM
why would they fix it though? cmon, ya'll obviously are too blind to see that Ken was gonna power up for a huge takedown. ****in haters

FightNight 2007
10-07-2007, 01:05 PM
I just saw the fight again and what happens after is Ken tries for a submission but gets caught in an omoplata...he survives but later loses

2swell k-wells
10-07-2007, 07:39 PM
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He had a Seizure!! poor old ken.:sad:

Juggernaut
10-07-2007, 09:51 PM
He was goin go for a takedown. He was "chargin" up, but didn't land on his left foot so he fell and got ****ed up for it.

Very true, for those who don't realize, look at the left foot right before he fell

1bad65
10-07-2007, 10:27 PM
Very true, for those who don't realize, look at the left foot right before he fell

Exactly. It happens. And they would not need to fix that fight anyway, Ken was way outgunned by Franklin. Also the poster who said that the Athletic Commissions would be all over them if they did fix fights is 100% correct. I believe that is a felony and an automatic lifetime ban for all involved.

Palma
10-08-2007, 08:07 AM
Ken should have retired long time ago. He just wasn't the same fighter man and its' a sad thing to watch. Reminded me of Jordan when he tried to play for the Wizards.

Just sad!

wulff.man
10-08-2007, 03:36 PM
The UFC probably does not out-right "fix" all fights. What they do is tailor fights so that what they deem 'marketable' fighters will have easy victories. They will give reffing breaks and bogus decisions consistently for their 'chosen' ones.

Watch Chuck Liddell Vs. Vernon White, try to tell me that wasn't fixed in some way.

Watch any of Chieck Kongo's recent fights, try to tell me there isn't some shady activity going on.

BTW,
Ever notice that the fighter wearing 'xience' logos will always win the fights?
Look through some of the old vids, you may see what I mean. I have won more than one bet with this theory.

Kakutogi-Gumi
10-08-2007, 04:16 PM
The UFC probably does not out-right "fix" all fights. What they do is tailor fights so that what they deem 'marketable' fighters will have easy victories. They will give reffing breaks and bogus decisions consistently for their 'chosen' ones.


Refs are independant and the judges are regulated by the AC.

blows that out of the water now, doesn't it.

Azteca
10-08-2007, 04:22 PM
Alot of sports are fixed...to much money to be made.

Azteca
10-08-2007, 04:22 PM
The UFC probably does not out-right "fix" all fights. What they do is tailor fights so that what they deem 'marketable' fighters will have easy victories. They will give reffing breaks and bogus decisions consistently for their 'chosen' ones.

Watch Chuck Liddell Vs. Vernon White, try to tell me that wasn't fixed in some way.

Watch any of Chieck Kongo's recent fights, try to tell me there isn't some shady activity going on.

BTW,
Ever notice that the fighter wearing 'xience' logos will always win the fights?
Look through some of the old vids, you may see what I mean. I have won more than one bet with this theory.


Interesting theory.....Was Jardine wearing Xience? What about Griffin? Fitch?

Juggernaut
10-08-2007, 06:14 PM
I sometimes use to think that the fighters themselves fix their own fights without letting anybody else know. When Rampage and Hendo fought, there were times where I felt that Hendo could've finished off Rampage but didn't and it would make sense since they're both really good friends, but I doubt it, but it's something to think about.

Palma
10-08-2007, 07:54 PM
I sometimes use to think that the fighters themselves fix their own fights without letting anybody else know. When Rampage and Hendo fought, there were times where I felt that Hendo could've finished off Rampage but didn't and it would make sense since they're both really good friends, but I doubt it, but it's something to think about.

I didn't notice that, I may need to watch the bout again cause I do not recall ever a time or moment during their fight where Hendo had Rampage in any kind of trouble.

mrpain81
10-09-2007, 01:42 AM
Refs are independant and the judges are regulated by the AC.

blows that out of the water now, doesn't it.

Not when they go to europe.....UFC pays the Judges and Refs.

wulff.man
10-09-2007, 09:00 AM
You could be right, the xience theory may not hold much water anymore...

All I am saying is that previous to UFC 67 the xience theory was consistent. Check the Travis Lutter Vs Anderson Silva fight. I won money because I noticed that Silva had the Xience logo on his trunks. Not to mention the weigh-in BS.

Besides, the UFC has a lot more money coming into it since ESPN & the like now 'approve' of the show.

How could any of you guys know anyway, are you an exec with the UFC or something? Everyone knows that all pro sports have their shady sides. It's a form of entertainment, not pure athletics.

IMHO, If you want to see real competition stick to the local/amatuer events.
Otherwise enjoy the show, but don't fool yourselves, it is just a show.