Most Over-Rated Rapper [Archive]

Smokin'

10-03-2007, 09:57 PM

Who said I was joking? His **** is mediocre to me. Hate me if you guys want too. Its my opinion,and alot of ppl I know opinion's also.

His debut album is still the best rap album of all time so he can't be overrated.

When I think overrated I think Lil' Wayne. He's the Samuel L. Jackson of hip hop, hasn't really even ever had a HIT single (think about it...Fireman wasn't a hit) and a lot of his **** is wack. Yet people still like him a lot and rate him.

Versastyle

10-03-2007, 10:04 PM

His debut album is still the best rap album of all time so he can't be overrated.

When I think overrated I think Lil' Wayne. He's the Samuel L. Jackson of hip hop, hasn't really even ever had a HIT single (think about it...Fireman wasn't a hit) and a lot of his **** is wack. Yet people still like him a lot and rate him.

Different strokes for different folks. Thats all I gotta say on the issue,my words still stand.OVERRATED.

Amir K Shareef

10-03-2007, 10:14 PM

nas is top 10 all time...possibly top 5, wayne is easily the most over rated

Versastyle

10-03-2007, 10:20 PM

nas is top 10 all time...possibly top 5, wayne is easily the most over rated

Once again.Different strokes for different folks.Boys down South where Im from most likely would say the complete opposite.

Smokin'

10-03-2007, 10:22 PM

Once again.Different strokes for different folks.Boys down South where Im from most likely would say the complete opposite.

I feel ya but there's no doubting he is a talented mother****er.

Ishak Pasha

10-03-2007, 10:23 PM

2pac

enuff said!!!

Versastyle

10-03-2007, 10:24 PM

I feel ya but there's no doubting he is a talented mother****er.

The Lyrics are cool,just not something I could constantly listen too.I wouldnt bump him in the car neither.The way he sounds makes me sleepy,seriously.

Amir K Shareef

10-03-2007, 10:26 PM

2pac

enuff said!!!

no 2pac is greatest ever

Smokin'

10-03-2007, 10:29 PM

The Lyrics are cool,just not something I could constantly listen too.I wouldnt bump him in the car neither.The way he sounds makes me sleepy,seriously.

Yeah I never bump him in my car, EVER. The only songs I can are Hate Me now in the Esco days. Or if I wanna get all depressed an dthinking I will bump Illmatic.

Versastyle

10-03-2007, 10:31 PM

Yeah I never bump him in my car, EVER. The only songs I can are Hate Me now in the Esco days. Or if I wanna get all depressed an dthinking I will bump Illmatic.

I need some all around music. You cant bang his **** in the club neither. He's more of an "Im on the bus listening to my Ipod" type of rapper.Well thats what I think.

Smokin'

10-03-2007, 10:36 PM

I need some all around music. You cant bang his **** in the club neither. He's more of an "Im on the bus listening to my Ipod" type of rapper.Well thats what I think.

Yeah you're right, when you can actually pay attention to the lyrics.

Right now, all I bump in my car is R&B and sing along to that **** hahahahahaha

a penis

10-03-2007, 10:48 PM

Yeah you're right, when you can actually pay attention to the lyrics.

Right now, all I bump in my car is R&B and sing along to that **** hahahahahaha

All I listen to in the car recently is K-OS

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Smokin'

10-03-2007, 10:49 PM

All I listen to in the car recently is K-OS

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for me it's been both Ne-Yo albums, Musiq Soulchld's new album & a R&B mix I have with the usual Joe, TQ, Jon B, DeAngelo, & Blackstreet.

Amir K Shareef

10-03-2007, 10:51 PM

Give me boyz 2 men cd and tupac that all i need in my car

Smokin'

10-03-2007, 10:52 PM

recommend me some good R&B cd's. I've been going to HMV but I can't seem to find any good ****.

*side note: no super super old **** like Stevie Wonder or The Temptations.

res

10-04-2007, 09:04 AM

post-Reasonable Doubt Jay Z!!

Even if you like 2pac you have to admit that he is atleast a bit overrated. Unless you believe he is a god he has to be overrated.

and almost all popular Southern rap is overrated. Lil Wayne is pretty good but way overrated.

Did someone say Nas? Nas' reputation in the mainstream is only mediocre so if you believe that he is mediocre as a rapper then he can't be overrated. Do you know how many non-rap fans don't even know who he is? Someone like that can't be overrated.

And I'm not even getting into the substance of the claim that he is overrated. :nonono:

Versastyle

10-04-2007, 09:41 AM

MrOctober

10-04-2007, 09:54 AM

ROSEWOOD

10-04-2007, 10:21 AM

nas is top 10 all time...possibly top 5, wayne is easily the most over rated
Not according to MTV.....or Bet.....or VH1

Tuggers1986

10-04-2007, 10:29 AM

Not according to MTV.....or Bet.....or VH1

MTV got Jay Z at number 1?

MrOctober

10-04-2007, 10:43 AM

MTV got Jay Z at number 1?

I think that's :bsflag:

and I'm from NY....jeez...you'd think I would support a NY Rapper, but I have to call it the way I see it.

ZZZzzz.......

10-04-2007, 10:52 AM

I think that's :bsflag:

and I'm from NY....jeez...you'd think I would support a NY Rapper, but I have to call it the way I see it.

**** mtv they don't know what the **** their talking about.their not about music any more it ain't music tele it's reality tv tele.

ZZZzzz.......

10-04-2007, 10:56 AM

1big,2rakim,3nas,4chuck d,5eminem,6big pun,7ice cube,8common,92pac,10jay-z.today jay is totally overrated.

MrOctober

10-04-2007, 11:03 AM

**** mtv they don't know what the **** their talking about.their not about music any more it ain't music tele it's reality tv tele.

Agreed....when 85% of your programming is show and reality crap...then you are not Music Television. When MTV first started that all they showed was videos.

MetalVomit

10-04-2007, 11:40 AM

Jay-Z, T.I.,Lil Wayne,B.I.G.,Pun.

Jay-Z=just because the guy calls himself the "greatest rapper alive", it doesnt mean he's telling the truth. Solid catalog, but overrated by most fans. Top 10? No way, Top 20? Most likely.

T.I.=very average skills, mostly pointless songs. Gets way too much credit for sub-par work.

Wayne=again with the calling himself "the best". He's certainly better than T.I., but overrated by magazines and BET alike.

B.I.G.=one of the greatest ever? Skill-wise, of course. G.O.A.T.? Of course not.

Pun=premature death leads to him being overrated. Not top ten, maybe top twenty.

MetalVomit

10-04-2007, 11:51 AM

I need some all around music. You cant bang his **** in the club neither. He's more of an "Im on the bus listening to my Ipod" type of rapper.Well thats what I think.

Have you heard "You know my style"?

MrOctober

10-04-2007, 12:11 PM

a penis

10-04-2007, 08:01 PM

Not according to MTV.....or Bet.....or VH1

haha that proves absolutely NOTHING

Smokin'

10-04-2007, 08:11 PM

Jay-Z is one of the greatest rappers ever. Slick punchlines in all his songs, can make a club banger, a nice concious track, a hood story, or just some sick rhymes. He has MANY great tracks and few ****ty ones (pretty much only Vol 3).

Also, best flow Ever. Period. He is not overrated one bit.

Overrated I think TI (who blows), Lil' Wayne (who tries to be pretty much everybody such as Jay-Z, The Clipse), Big Pun (Capital Punishment is not a classic...btw...).

a penis

10-04-2007, 08:16 PM

most people probably won't agree with me but I think the whole "Tupac vs. Biggie" thing got biggie (undeservingly) classified with him. "best rappers ever were pac and big" and stuff like that.

so in that way I think he was overrated. tupac was the best, biggie cracks my top five maybe

The Fix

10-05-2007, 12:49 AM

kanye west is an average rapper at best..... kanye wins, hands down.

Amir K Shareef

10-05-2007, 12:55 AM

kanye west is an average rapper at best..... kanye wins, hands down.

kanye isnt over rated.. everyone knows he is not an elite rapper of this time

QuCongee

10-05-2007, 03:13 AM

Also, best flow Ever. Period. He is not overrated one bit

LOL.

Tell that to G-Rap, you silly fan with an opinion.

Jay-Z's flow is weak.

heat27

10-05-2007, 05:02 AM

TI and Lil' Wayne

MrOctober

10-05-2007, 07:20 AM

I found this tidbit of info on eopinions.com...its hilarious. They have 50 at #4 of the 5 most overrated rappers ever! You'll never guess who the other 4 are...

4. 50 Cent

At least Method Man was good at one point in his career, 50 was NEVER good. This guy is so bad. All he uses is a simple A-A, B-B rhyme pattern and never tries anything fancy. He has the vocabulary of a 5th grader and the voice of a mental patient’s worst Al Pacino impression. His whole career is based upon him getting shot. Those nine bullet holes are the best things that ever happened to him. It’s the only street credentials he has, besides being a crack baby. 50 doesn’t seem to refrain from using extremely simple rhymes such as Dub/club or Bacardi/party. The latter is the only rhyme I have heard by him that is more than one syllable. 50 is supposed to be the second coming of Pac or whatever but I think he is the second coming of Nelly (another fake gangster). 50 cent only raps about riches, guns and how he got shot. He doesn’t ever try to make meaningful rap. Not one song. He tried with “Many men” to make a kind of a deep song but…What the hell was that? Another “I got shot”anthem? 50 tries to be a “P-I-M-P” but he is just so wack its not even funny. The video for that song is the worst thing I’ve ever seen. A pimp convention? And then he says “Im a P-I-M-P, plus I got the magic stick” and he shows them his “magic stick” which glows of gold (nice job ripping Austin Powers and Goldmember). Wait! Did he just show them his “stick”? What’s up with that? I thought these guys were pimps. 50 is not only overrated but probably the worst rapper ever.

Kobe Bryant

10-05-2007, 09:23 AM

kanye isnt over rated.. everyone knows he is not an elite rapper of this time

Very true. Even though I think he's good lyrically no one praises him for his rappin ability.

MrOctober

10-05-2007, 10:41 AM

Very true. Even though I think he's good lyrically no one praises him for his rappin ability.

The why so much airplay...I just dont understand. I think it might have something to do with kids now a days not know the difference between good rap and straight garbage.

Tuggers1986

10-05-2007, 10:53 AM

MrOctober

10-05-2007, 11:02 AM

Who are the other 4?

Ok here it goes.

5. Method Man

4. 50 Cent

3. Jay-Z

2. Snoop Doggy Dogg

And the most overrated rapper ever is….

1.2pac

Deeznuts

10-05-2007, 11:27 AM

LOL, at whoever says 2 pac is overrated. You can listen to a pac album theses days an it still bumps.......except for the ones after his death which were produced by no talented aholes

Anyway, Kanye is cool........he is the best producer rapper in the game. His new album is something to listen to so no, hes not overrated

Papoose, never seen where all the hype comes from, sure he produces many mixtapes but he's average in my opinion.

Lil wayne, overrated, I mean his lyrics are wack. He ****s up almost every song he is featured in.

What am I bumping............Ulimate Victory Chamillionaire has the best album hands down right now

FUMIN 88

10-05-2007, 12:29 PM

no 2pac is greatest ever

2pac is not the greatest ever he was good and did lots of things for rap but i can name a bag full of better rappers (my opinion)

FUMIN 88

10-05-2007, 12:34 PM

FUMIN 88

10-05-2007, 12:35 PM

kanye isnt over rated.. everyone knows he is not an elite rapper of this time

there are no elite rappers of his time and if you think there is your overrating them

Tuggers1986

10-05-2007, 12:41 PM

Ok here it goes.

5. Method Man

4. 50 Cent

3. Jay-Z

2. Snoop Doggy Dogg

And the most overrated rapper ever is….

1.2pac

OMG!

IMO 50 is the only bad rapper on that list. 2pac and Jay z are up their with the best of them. And Method Man definately has the talent to be up there with the best but for some reason alot of his recebt stuff is below par.

Tuggers1986

10-05-2007, 12:43 PM

there are no elite rappers of his time and if you think there is your overrating them

Lupe Fiasco!!

MrOctober

10-05-2007, 12:51 PM

fasman

10-05-2007, 01:06 PM

Jay-Z & T.I are the most over rated ****ers out there!!!!

MrOctober

10-05-2007, 01:18 PM

Jay-Z & T.I are the most over rated ****ers out there!!!!

Someone with some common sense.:fest30:

QuCongee

10-05-2007, 02:54 PM

no 2pac is greatest ever

Kool G Rap is the G.O.A.T. Period. End of discussion. No debate is neccessary.

If you don't believe me, ask any one of the rappers you've all been discussing in this thread. I know this is a "who's overrated thread" but I see people slipping in their G.O.A.T picks. It's not Biggie or Pac or anyone else. It's Kool G Rap. End of Story.

The fact that I have to keep pointing this out to "rap fans" is a tragedy.

A god damn tragedy...

It's pathetic that greatness is measured by album sales. Tupac has sold far more albums than any other rapper, and it's the only reason he's consistantly called the greatest rapper ever. If you look at other "top-10 rappers", you'll find the same odd coincidence, right down the line, almost without any exception.

People need to learn to think for themselves. They get indoctrinated with this corperate bull**** and wind up proclaiming what the market proclaims. You don't even realize that you don't actully believe Tupac is the best of all time. Music is in a sad state.

The overwhelming evidence supports my comment.

Now tell me how stupid I am and jump up and down screaming and yelling about Tupac or Biggie or whatever you want. Either way, I won't be reading about it.

Smokin'

10-05-2007, 03:03 PM

Kool G Rap is the G.O.A.T. Period. End of discussion. No debate is neccessary.

If you don't believe me, ask any one of the rappers you've all been discussing in this thread. I know this is a "who's overrated thread" but I see people slipping in their G.O.A.T picks. It's not Biggie or Pac or anyone else. It's Kool G Rap. End of Story.

The fact that I have to keep pointing this out to "rap fans" is a tragedy.

A god damn tragedy...

It's pathetic that greatness is measured by album sales. Tupac has sold far more albums than any other rapper, and it's the only reason he's consistantly called the greatest rapper ever. If you look at other "top-10 rappers", you'll find the same odd coincidence, right down the line, almost without any exception.

People need to learn to think for themselves. They get indoctrinated with this corperate bull**** and wind up proclaiming what the market proclaims. You don't even realize that you don't actully believe Tupac is the best of all time. Music is in a sad state.

The overwhelming evidence supports my comment.

Now tell me how stupid I am and jump up and down screaming and yelling about Tupac or Biggie or whatever you want. Either way, I won't be reading about it.
Honestly, can you really sit through a whole G Rap CD without getting bored?

Tell the honest truth.

mickeyb

10-05-2007, 05:41 PM

overrated? BOW WOW WOW snoop doggy dog **** for me

i'm old skool, not many can compete lyrics wise with chuck d or dre and cube.

only nas comes close

also overrated jay z, diddy and MnM

hip-hop has moved on and changed with the times, it used to be about the message now it's about the green

flipside

10-05-2007, 07:04 PM

2pac was never an MC but he rapped from the heart thats why he an icon.

flipside

10-05-2007, 07:05 PM

Kobe Bryant

10-05-2007, 09:09 PM

For all you nostalgic heads. Do you listen to anything new? I hate how poeple completely just bash everything new that's out today. Don't get me wrong I love the classics but you gotta mix it up.

How is 50 overrated? No one and I mean no has labeled 50 a great lyricist. Just because a guy is popular doesn't mean he's overrated it just means he has a big fan base.

And Pac to me is the best and the closest artist I can relate to. Jay is over a bit. But he's not a bad artist he's actually quite good.

MetalVomit

10-06-2007, 12:33 AM

FIGHTING_FLIP

10-06-2007, 02:32 AM

lil ****ING wayne and jay MOTHA****IN Z!

Kobe Bryant

10-06-2007, 07:48 AM

I guess I can be considered one of the guys that misses "the old days", but I listen to plenty of current hip hop. I bought 4 new hip hop releases in the last 2 weeks.

Yeah I know you listen to new stuff. I always see yout talking about new albums. I love the older stuff as well. Especially Death Row albums. Any of Ice Cube's first 4 albums which are incredible to me. And I listen to Wu and Big. And Nas I keep my copy of Illmatic with me most of the time.

FUMIN 88

10-06-2007, 07:51 AM

Ay-yo I warned you, now all *****z could do is mourn you
I'm born to kill and still thrilled, I put it on you
There's no regrets, remorse, only results and loneliness
Only the strong survivors strive through life as warriors
All of us die, some of us kill, even massacred
Who wanna try? Punisher will if you ask for it
I'm hazardous for your health and hell's your next stop
For real my ****'s ****ed the world has just stopped...
[pause]
I'm not the one you should be underestimatin'
Come test your fate an' I guarantee I'll be under investigation
You can't handle the whole, I'll slam you on your skull
Or we can go blow for blow like Evander and Bowe, ya never know
However tho' I still hold the title
When all my rivals the chance to dance who missed the homicidal
Hand on the bible I swear to defend my crown
I've been around since forever and never let it touch the ground
Don't **** around and catch a rude awakenin'
My crew's basically waitin' patiently for you to move your patrons in
Then we'll surround you, form Desert Storm and pound you
Look around you, Terror Squad's everywhere like Soundview
The Boogie Down do it like nobody, who are we?
The foundation, you're facin' a whole army...

how the **** is that overrated?

COOP407

10-06-2007, 05:30 PM

I'm not trying to put anyone down, but the south just about killed Hip-Hop. I remember back in the day (85-93ish) (yes I'm old) where lyrics were the most important part of the record. Now all they do is throw in a catchy beat....make a freggin' dance to go along with it and they go platnium. Straight garbage!

If you want to hear some tight lyrics listen to

1. Just about anything Big Daddy Kane
(P.S. he even ghost wrote most of Biz Markies rhymes)
2. Rakim
3. KRS-One
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Black Sheep (yes...black sheep...just listen!!)
6. Black Moon
7. Gangstarr (Guru)

This is just a small sampling.

I'm from Louisiana, and yet I still agree with you. Groups like the Geto Boys, K-Rino (for those that don't know of him, one of the best lyricists ever), Master P (he never was that good a rapper, but about 12 years ago, No-Limits' **** was worth listening to) and UGK, were representing the south really well. Now, with all the newer ****, I can't even listen to most of the souths' stuff anymore. It all sounds the same, with someone coming up with some new dumbass dance step or some idiotic catch phrase. (Snap yo' fingers? When I was comin' up, only ***gots stood around snapping their fingers and rolling their necks around!)

As far as overrated rappers go, here's my list:

1.P.Diddy (has he ever done a decent song by himself?)
2. Kanye (enough has already been said about him)
3. Lil Wayne
4. Lil John (I know he's not really a rapper, but damn, he still sucks to have to listen to)
5. 50 Cent (Lately he's sounding a lot like a lot of other rappers, unable to rap about anything but rims and money)
6. Manny Fresh and Baby (really, do I need to speak on this one?)
7. Mike Jones (don't get me started)

COOP407

10-06-2007, 05:33 PM

d.o.c wrote dre's stuff.

I never knew that, even though I never thought that Dre was all that great with lyrics. I always assumed Ice Cube wrote all his good **** when he was with NWA.

MrOctober

10-07-2007, 05:40 PM

Versastyle

10-07-2007, 05:43 PM

I listened to some Nas today to try to get a feel of him,and I almost fell asleep.:o

Sin City

10-07-2007, 05:54 PM

Tupac Shakur.. yeah, I said it.

MrOctober

10-07-2007, 05:56 PM

Tupac Shakur.. yeah, I said it.

Nothing wrong with that.

Tuggers1986

10-07-2007, 06:09 PM

I listened to some Nas today to try to get a feel of him,and I almost fell asleep.:o

Is Lil Wayne better??

Versastyle

10-07-2007, 06:11 PM

Is Lil Wayne better??

Yes he is,and alot of ppl Down South Im sure would agree.Alot of ppl around me agree,but Im not region biased. Most of my friends and alot of ppl around my area's think that Jay-z is better then Lil Wayne.Easily.

Nas's style is the same,he doesnt switch his flow up.Jay is versatile with his flow.

Amir K Shareef

10-07-2007, 06:17 PM

you cant compare lil wayne lyrically with naz becuase it not even close.... but wayne makes better music hands down

FUMIN 88

10-09-2007, 07:21 AM

you cant compare lil wayne lyrically with naz becuase it not even close.... but wayne makes better music hands down

yes if you like pop-rap

not if you like real hip-hop

MrOctober

10-09-2007, 08:36 AM

I really don't see where Lil wayne has any talent. Is it just me?

LOLORSKATES

10-09-2007, 09:25 AM

Tupac Shakur is like Ali.

They're both HUGE legends which can draw on to criticism of how they can be overrated.

Like when people draw up 'how good Ali would be in this era' topic, you could almost say the same for Tupac.

Tupac would be horrible in this era though..

res

10-09-2007, 03:05 PM

MrOctober

10-10-2007, 07:23 AM

But the kind of music someone makes has a whole lot to do with producers. Here we go giving rappers credit for the work of producers/DJs again.

Nas has less variety in his flow but his flows (not just lyrics) are FAR more involved than Jay Z's (I'm not even going to talk about Wayne, that is getting ridiculous) . In other words, Jay Z's flows are often varied but many of them are just kindergarten, anyone could write lyrics for those flows.

At least NAS is original....I give him credit for that. I heard a mix on the local station one day and the guest DJ would play the orginal of a record and then Jay Z's...basically Jay Z bit at least 15-20 other rappers lyrics verbatim.

res

10-10-2007, 09:02 AM

At least NAS is original....I give him credit for that. I heard a mix on the local station one day and the guest DJ would play the orginal of a record and then Jay Z's...basically Jay Z bit at least 15-20 other rappers lyrics verbatim.

Oh Yes, well everyone knows that about Jay Z. His defenders say he is just paying homage to the rappers whose rhymes he steals.. LOL.

MrOctober

10-10-2007, 01:02 PM

Oh Yes, well everyone knows that about Jay Z. His defenders say he is just paying homage to the rappers whose rhymes he steals.. LOL.

The era that I grew up in it was called biting and that was taboo...hell, you would get your ass beat for that. I could understand sampling a saying from a record, or making a cover record as tribute, but when you start taking entire verses and putting them in your rhymes, now your'e biting.

MrOctober

10-10-2007, 01:02 PM

Welter_Skelter

10-10-2007, 01:25 PM

Dios Dominicano started it, so I figured I would open this can of worms.......

Most Over-Rated Rapper.

In my opinion

Kanye West....everytime I hear him I cringe:no:

50 per CENT..... No doubt about it...

Amir K Shareef

10-10-2007, 04:02 PM

50 per CENT..... No doubt about it...

Not even close.

Hatton43-0-0

10-10-2007, 05:58 PM

Ye defo has to be kanye he always puts out
1 or 2 good songs each album then the rest
of the album is crap..

HISTORY

10-10-2007, 06:55 PM

Jay-Z, Puff Daddy (he ruined rap ever since No Way Out), Notorious B.I.G., Fat Joe, Lil Wayne.

DIOS DOMINICANO

10-10-2007, 10:49 PM

The era that I grew up in it was called biting and that was taboo...hell, you would get your ass beat for that. I could understand sampling a saying from a record, or making a cover record as tribute, but when you start taking entire verses and putting them in your rhymes, now your'e biting.

Like "Some People Hate"?

MrOctober

10-12-2007, 07:59 AM

Like "Some People Hate"?

??? you lost me

fasman

10-12-2007, 10:17 AM

Jay-Z, Puff Daddy (he ruined rap ever since No Way Out), Notorious B.I.G., Fat Joe, Lil Wayne.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO WAY :nono: .......IM SHOCKED,

I'D HAVE HIM AS ONE OF THE GREATEST..... :headbang:

MrOctober

10-12-2007, 10:26 AM

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO WAY :nono: .......IM SHOCKED,

I'D HAVE HIM AS ONE OF THE GREATEST..... :headbang:

But, what's your basis?

fasman

10-12-2007, 10:33 AM

But, what's your basis?

What do you mean whats my basis, Biggie was a lyrical genius, he sold millions, he had a wicked flow and his wordplay was badass, i can bump any of his songs in my car and all of them will leave me mesmerized..

There are not many rappers out there now with the same ability as Biggie..

If he was over-rated, tell me why?..

On what basis can he be classed over-rated, thats all bull****....

MrOctober

10-12-2007, 10:58 AM

What do you mean whats my basis, Biggie was a lyrical genius, he sold millions, he had a wicked flow and his wordplay was badass, i can bump any of his songs in my car and all of them will leave me mesmerized..

There are not many rappers out there now with the same ability as Biggie..

If he was over-rated, tell me why?..

On what basis can he be classed over-rated, thats all bull****....

"I" never said Big was over rated. I wanted to know why you thought he wasn't.

Now Tupac...he was over rated.

Ray Ray

10-12-2007, 11:45 AM

Jay-Z the most overrated rapper of all time

MrOctober

10-12-2007, 11:57 AM

Jay-Z the most overrated rapper of all time

Him and Tupac!

fasman

10-12-2007, 12:28 PM

"I" never said Big was over rated. I wanted to know why you thought he wasn't.

Fair Enough.....

Amir K Shareef

10-12-2007, 03:43 PM

Him and Tupac!

Your rap knowledge..= zero

anyone who thinks pac is over rated never listened to him. or you live on the east coast and you are still mad because he ripped all the new york cats...... pac is goat

Maxy

10-12-2007, 04:25 PM

MrOctober

10-15-2007, 07:32 AM

Your rap knowledge..= zero

anyone who thinks pac is over rated never listened to him. or you live on the east coast and you are still mad because he ripped all the new york cats...... pac is goat

You are ignorant aren't you (I was listening to rap when the only way you could get it was from the DJ and MC who was tearing it up at a block party, they didn't play rap on the radio until about 82ish....and then it was at like at 1 in the morning)......yeah I'm from the east coast but that has nothing to do with it. I just call it the way I see it. If I was all about the east coast I'd be sticking up for Jay Z...but I'm not, he's garbage too.

Tupac G.O.A.T......I know your ass is a crackbaby who doesn't know any better. Hell Buckshot Shorty is better than Tupac.

Technical_Skill

10-15-2007, 07:36 AM

Dios Dominicano started it, so I figured I would open this can of worms.......

Most Over-Rated Rapper.

In my opinion

Kanye West....everytime I hear him I cringe:no:

So true, he aint got nothing lyrically, throw lil wayne in there and DMX too,

"Give a dog bone, give a dog a home, let a dog roam and he'll find his way home"

I still cant believe people buy that ****.

:lol1:

MrOctober

10-15-2007, 07:46 AM

Pac is overrated. Too many people proclaim him as the G.O.A.T...for me that is conclusive proof that he's overrated.

Hip hops best MC's were doing their thing between 87-94. That was without doubt the peak era for the genre. Nothing since has convinced me otherwise.

Now this is someone who has a clue...........:beerchug:

MrOctober

10-15-2007, 08:03 AM

and for those that doubted me........

rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees_5.htm

Kobe Bryant

10-15-2007, 10:46 AM

Some of you seem to have a problem with thinking your opinions are equal to facts.

MrOctober

10-15-2007, 11:24 AM

Some of you seem to have a problem with thinking your opinions are equal to facts.

Explain.......

Amir K Shareef

10-15-2007, 03:37 PM

Explain.......

It means that you dont like pac, just becuase you think he is over rated dosent mean he his... THE FACT IS pac is the greatest MC of all time.. end of discussion

MrOctober

10-15-2007, 04:04 PM

It means that you dont like pac, just becuase you think he is over rated dosent mean he his... THE FACT IS pac is the greatest MC of all time.. end of discussion

Categories and Criteria for Selection
The following MCs were chosen for their lyrical capabilities. The list does not reflect sales or mainstream success of these artists. They were evaluated on a 25-point scale based on: originality, longevity, lyricism, social impact, flavor, battle skills, consistency, charisma, poetic value, substance, versatility, vocal presence, live performance, flow and delivery, among other factors.

Eligibility:
To be eligible, artists must have:
a) Attained a longevity time frame of 7 years or more
b) i)Released 2 solo albums or ii)1 solo album and 2 group albums or iii) 4 group albums
c) Been musically active anywhere between 1987 and 2007

Tupac is in the top ten but I think the top 5 would have to call your bull****....

5. The Notorious B.I.G.
Lacking any real social message, Biggie possessed enough pizzazz to sway audiences young and old.
Best Album: Ready to Die

4. Nas
Some call him a street prophet for his poetic, conversational-style lyrics. An absolute master of lyrical extravaganza, Nas often paints a picture of urban life in his rhymes.
Best Album: Illmatic

3. Big Daddy Kane
The King of Swagger, Kane dazzled the rap world with his peculiar flair and flamboyant wardrobe. Countless others (including Jay-Z, Biggie, and Snoop) would later adopt his player persona.
Best Album: Long Live the Kane

2. KRS-One
The Teacha transformed the violent brusque of ghetto life into a story of uplift and self-awareness, starting with BDP's incendiary debut, Criminal Minded.
Best Album: By All Means Necessary (w/ Boogie Down Productions)

1. Rakim
While others bragged about their guns, Rakim celebrated his swagger. A smooth, laid-back flow, intense lyricism, and positivity were his stately hallmarks.

You call Tupac the greatest of all time ahead of these 5 MC's....you really should reconsider checking back into rehab.

Amir K Shareef

10-15-2007, 04:07 PM

Categories and Criteria for Selection
The following MCs were chosen for their lyrical capabilities. The list does not reflect sales or mainstream success of these artists. They were evaluated on a 25-point scale based on: originality, longevity, lyricism, social impact, flavor, battle skills, consistency, charisma, poetic value, substance, versatility, vocal presence, live performance, flow and delivery, among other factors.

Eligibility:
To be eligible, artists must have:
a) Attained a longevity time frame of 7 years or more
b) i)Released 2 solo albums or ii)1 solo album and 2 group albums or iii) 4 group albums
c) Been musically active anywhere between 1987 and 2007

Tupac is in the top ten but I think the top 5 would have to call your bull****....

5. The Notorious B.I.G.
Lacking any real social message, Biggie possessed enough pizzazz to sway audiences young and old.
Best Album: Ready to Die

4. Nas
Some call him a street prophet for his poetic, conversational-style lyrics. An absolute master of lyrical extravaganza, Nas often paints a picture of urban life in his rhymes.
Best Album: Illmatic

3. Big Daddy Kane
The King of Swagger, Kane dazzled the rap world with his peculiar flair and flamboyant wardrobe. Countless others (including Jay-Z, Biggie, and Snoop) would later adopt his player persona.
Best Album: Long Live the Kane

2. KRS-One
The Teacha transformed the violent brusque of ghetto life into a story of uplift and self-awareness, starting with BDP's incendiary debut, Criminal Minded.
Best Album: By All Means Necessary (w/ Boogie Down Productions)

1. Rakim
While others bragged about their guns, Rakim celebrated his swagger. A smooth, laid-back flow, intense lyricism, and positivity were his stately hallmarks.

You call Tupac the greatest of all time ahead of these 5 MC's....you really should reconsider checking back into rehab.

You can put all 5 of those artist together and make one song or anything... none of them can tell a story like Pac could....NOT CLOSE and that is the hardest thing to do... PAC is GOAT

i have no reason to go to rehab... how can you say naz is better when naz ADMITS he looks up'd to pac and openly comments that pac is the best???.... explain that BOY u CANT!

MrOctober

10-15-2007, 04:12 PM

You can put all 5 of those artist together and make one song or anything... none of them can tell a story like Pac could....NOT CLOSE and that is the hardest thing to do... PAC is GOAT

i have no reason to go to rehab... how can you say naz is better when naz ADMITS he looks up'd to pac and openly comments that pac is the best???.... explain that BOY u CANT!

Probably said it because there is no reason to trample on a man's grave......

here is the link...see for yourself how the top MC's were chosen. Tupac at 7 was a gift...as was Jay Z (at 6)

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees_10.htm

Amir K Shareef

10-15-2007, 04:39 PM

Probably said it because there is no reason to trample on a man's grave......

here is the link...see for yourself how the top MC's were chosen. Tupac at 7 was a gift...as was Jay Z (at 6)

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees_10.htm

Jay z ahead of pac? im not even going to click on the sorry link

saying pac is not the best is saying micheal jordan is not the best basketball player of all time.. they both were goats... tupac changed hip hop... most famous black man of that time.. easy...

Aaron K

10-15-2007, 10:35 PM

2Pac may not have been the best lyricist or had the best flow but he still stood out from all the other rappers which I think makes him G.O.A.T. if we're talking about being the best lyricist, it's a whole different story.

FIGHTING_FLIP

10-15-2007, 11:02 PM

pac was the best..if you dont think so, well, **** you then

fasman

10-16-2007, 06:10 AM

Pac top 5 EASILY!!!!!

**** jay-z........

MrOctober

10-16-2007, 07:59 AM

Pac top 5 EASILY!!!!!

**** jay-z........

So where in the top 5 would you put him.........

5. The Notorious B.I.G.

4. Nas

3. Big Daddy Kane

2. KRS-One

1. Rakim

Technical_Skill

10-16-2007, 08:00 AM

Pac is overrated. Too many people proclaim him as the G.O.A.T...for me that is conclusive proof that he's overrated.
, Way
Nobody RATES P.Diddy, 50 Cent, Kayne West....surely?? Damn, if they do, then they too are overrated just for being rated. Jay-Z's earlier stuff is alright...he's not the best but he's miles ahead of a lot of the new ****.

Hip hops best MC's were doing their thing between 87-94. That was without doubt the peak era for the genre. Nothing since has convinced me otherwise.

So true, as a teen i loved pac, but **** me after bumping his meaningful albums he tends to go on about the same old thing, after a while, it gets a little stale, these days, i cant listen to that **** anymore.

"Bury me a g"
"Bury me with weed"
"When we ride"
"We Thugs"

Same old ****.

His songs so have a depth and meaning to them which surpass those of other rappers, but lyrically there are better rappers out there, As a kid i used to hate biggie, but lyrically, he is more skilled than Pac, Contentwise Pac is better than Biggie.

Kobe Bryant

10-16-2007, 08:49 AM

So where in the top 5 would you put him.........

5. The Notorious B.I.G.

4. Nas

3. Big Daddy Kane

2. KRS-One

1. Rakim

Well your opinion is only your opinion. So he could put him anywhere he'd like I'd think.

MrOctober

10-16-2007, 08:52 AM

Well your opinion is only your opinion. So he could put him anywhere he'd like I'd think.

This wasn't my opinion....this is the top 5 of about.com's 50 greatest MC's.......

mr.thraz

10-16-2007, 09:39 AM

OMG!

IMO 50 is the only bad rapper on that list. 2pac and Jay z are up their with the best of them. And Method Man definately has the talent to be up there with the best but for some reason alot of his recebt stuff is below par.

his wife has been sick with cancer for about 4 years, I'll give him a pass for that.

just like i gave nas a pass for the albums between "it was written" and "stillmatic" when his mom was sick.

MrOctober

10-16-2007, 10:03 AM

his wife has been sick with cancer for about 4 years, I'll give him a pass for that.

just like i gave nas a pass for the albums between "it was written" and "stillmatic" when his mom was sick.

So for the most part, do you think the list is on point?

fasman

10-16-2007, 01:31 PM

So where in the top 5 would you put him.........

5. The Notorious B.I.G.

4. Nas

3. Big Daddy Kane

2. KRS-One

1. Rakim

errrr, does Krs-One REALLY deserve to be number 2....

I'd have 2pac afta Rakim, Big Daddy Kane so maybe around number 3 or 4...

close call for me between him and biggie...

Im a huge fan of Nas and really love Krs-Ones classics but, I'd have 2pac above them, maybe even above Biggie.....

but thats only my opinion.....:sombrero:

fasman

10-16-2007, 01:33 PM

Well your opinion is only your opinion. So he could put him anywhere he'd like I'd think.

My point exactly......:hail:

fasman

10-16-2007, 01:46 PM

This wasn't my opinion....this is the top 5 of about.com's 50 greatest MC's.......

You cannot conclude whose the G.O.A.T. just based on some poll conducted a website or whatever.. I mean look at MTV, they had Gay-Z at number 1.......

You have to look at the whole concept behind hip hop/rap and not because about.com says so, you have to look at how the rapper and his songs affected others and the world.... Pac will be the most talked about rapper ever, like it or not, meaning he is probably the most influential ever, It also depends on how you define 'greatest', you have to look at the whole package and Pac as a rapper had that... So even if he misses out on top spot, he CERTAINLY above many other rappers/Mc's should get a top 5
spot.....

In reality this debate will go on forever in the outside world, so you cannot make your final judgement based on about.com...

MrOctober

10-16-2007, 02:08 PM

You cannot conclude whose the G.O.A.T. just based on some poll conducted a website or whatever.. I mean look at MTV, they had Gay-Z at number 1.......

You have to look at the whole concept behind hip hop/rap and not because about.com says so, you have to look at how the rapper and his songs affected others and the world.... Pac will be the most talked about rapper ever, like it or not, meaning he is probably the most influential ever, It also depends on how you define 'greatest', you have to look at the whole package and Pac as a rapper had that... So even if he misses out on top spot, he CERTAINLY above many other rappers/Mc's should get a top 5
spot.....

In reality this debate will go on forever in the outside world, so you cannot make your final judgement based on about.com...

It wasn't a poll...they put together criteria and established eligibility...so It's not like you had some 11 year old voting 16 times. Here's the link and criteria

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees.htm

The following MCs were chosen for their lyrical capabilities. The list does not reflect sales or mainstream success of these artists. They were evaluated on a 25-point scale based on: originality, longevity, lyricism, social impact, flavor, battle skills, consistency, charisma, poetic value, substance, versatility, vocal presence, live performance, flow and delivery, among other factors.

Eligibility:
To be eligible, artists must have:
a) Attained a longevity time frame of 7 years or more
b) i)Released 2 solo albums or ii)1 solo album and 2 group albums or iii) 4 group albums
c) Been musically active anywhere between 1987 and 2007

Tha Greatest

10-16-2007, 09:49 PM

K-Nan

10-16-2007, 11:00 PM

Tupac Shakur.

-Antonio-

10-17-2007, 12:08 AM

I firmly believe that most of the people who hate on Jay-Z are people who have no idea Reasonable Doubt even exists. How can you not at least respect such a classic?

-Antonio-

10-17-2007, 12:16 AM

It wasn't a poll...they put together criteria and established eligibility...so It's not like you had some 11 year old voting 16 times. Here's the link and criteria

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees.htm

The following MCs were chosen for their lyrical capabilities. The list does not reflect sales or mainstream success of these artists. They were evaluated on a 25-point scale based on: originality, longevity, lyricism, social impact, flavor, battle skills, consistency, charisma, poetic value, substance, versatility, vocal presence, live performance, flow and delivery, among other factors.

Eligibility:
To be eligible, artists must have:
a) Attained a longevity time frame of 7 years or more
b) i)Released 2 solo albums or ii)1 solo album and 2 group albums or iii) 4 group albums
c) Been musically active anywhere between 1987 and 2007

Interesting list, but I disagree with Benie Segal being anywhere close to a top 50 list let alone ahead of Guru. He overrated Lauren Hill too. She's good, not top 20 good, come on now. MC Lyte too, it's good to show love for the ladies, but jesus top 30? Right below AZ, Kweli, and Ghost. Laughable.

-Antonio-

10-17-2007, 12:30 AM

So true, as a teen i loved pac, but **** me after bumping his meaningful albums he tends to go on about the same old thing, after a while, it gets a little stale, these days, i cant listen to that **** anymore.

"Bury me a g"
"Bury me with weed"
"When we ride"
"We Thugs"

Same old ****.

His songs so have a depth and meaning to them which surpass those of other rappers, but lyrically there are better rappers out there, As a kid i used to hate biggie, but lyrically, he is more skilled than Pac, Contentwise Pac is better than Biggie.

I credit the repetitiveness of his thug life material to the fact that he put out so much material in such little amount of time. I was never a huge fan of that side to him anyway.

I like the I Aint Mad At Ya, Dear Mama, Me Against The World, Keep Ya Head Up Pac much better than the Hail Mary, Hit Em Up Pac.

MrOctober

10-17-2007, 09:46 AM

Interesting list, but I disagree with Benie Segal being anywhere close to a top 50 list let alone ahead of Guru. He overrated Lauren Hill too. She's good, not top 20 good, come on now. MC Lyte too, it's good to show love for the ladies, but jesus top 30? Right below AZ, Kweli, and Ghost. Laughable.

To put Guru at 44 is a serious injustice....he belongs in the top 20 (at least) if not top 15 and move Redman down a few notches. The more I think of it Tupac at 7 isin't that bad.....but Tupac GOAT ahead of the blastmaster (KRS-One)....never.

Tuggers1986

10-17-2007, 09:57 AM

It wasn't a poll...they put together criteria and established eligibility...so It's not like you had some 11 year old voting 16 times. Here's the link and criteria

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees.htm

The following MCs were chosen for their lyrical capabilities. The list does not reflect sales or mainstream success of these artists. They were evaluated on a 25-point scale based on: originality, longevity, lyricism, social impact, flavor, battle skills, consistency, charisma, poetic value, substance, versatility, vocal presence, live performance, flow and delivery, among other factors.

Eligibility:
To be eligible, artists must have:
a) Attained a longevity time frame of 7 years or more
b) i)Released 2 solo albums or ii)1 solo album and 2 group albums or iii) 4 group albums
c) Been musically active anywhere between 1987 and 2007

Lauryn Hill before Eminem?????????????

The guy who wrote this list needs ****ing shooting!

MrOctober

10-17-2007, 11:05 AM

Lauryn Hill before Eminem?????????????

The guy who wrote this list needs ****ing shooting!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

He screwed up a few from 50-11....but the top 10 is pretty good....The top 5 is pretty solid.

NAPO

10-17-2007, 11:52 AM

50 CENT

respect him as a business man sucks as a rapper.

pun would of murder him if he was alive.

MrOctober

10-17-2007, 12:55 PM

50 CENT

respect him as a business man sucks as a rapper.

pun would of murder him if he was alive.

Pun would have a heart attack tryin to catch 50 though.......ooops...my bad:pat:

The Raging Bull

11-04-2007, 12:34 PM

Santana, Lil Wayne (Most south rappers really)

DIOS DOMINICANO

11-04-2007, 02:26 PM

50 CENT

respect him as a business man sucks as a rapper.

pun would of murder him if he was alive.

Did you think he sucked in the "How to Rob" days?

DIOS DOMINICANO

11-04-2007, 02:27 PM

Santana, Lil Wayne (Most south rappers really)

Cam'Ron is garbage. **** the entire dip set.

Lil' Wayne is one of the very few southern rappers I can handle.

res

11-05-2007, 12:32 AM

50 CENT

respect him as a business man sucks as a rapper.

pun would of murder him if he was alive.

what the...?! that's like saying Cornel West will outsmart Mike Tyson.

Big Pun is a lyrical legend, 50 Cent is a modern publicity stunt.

FUMIN 88

11-05-2007, 07:43 AM

what the...?! that's like saying Cornel West will outsmart Mike Tyson.

Big Pun is a lyrical legend, 50 Cent is a modern publicity stunt.

damn right you souldnt even put fake 50 in the same sentance as him hes not worthy

Pun would smash any rapper out today its not even funny

DWiens421

11-05-2007, 05:37 PM

Ludacris.

No one finds it cool when you have to make it sound like every single sentence has 20 exclamation points.

Decent lyrics, not great. Usually ****ty background music, and undoubtedly one of the worst voices in hip hop.

And people say he is great. Absolutely terrible.

Rhys79

11-05-2007, 05:46 PM

I call him 40 Cent cuz that ***** dropped a dime.

MrOctober

11-06-2007, 10:01 AM

I call him 40 Cent cuz that ***** dropped a dime.

good one.....

Versastyle

11-06-2007, 10:11 AM

I still say Nas is.Also Big Pun,Rakim,Tech-9 and countless others I cant think of right now.

MetalVomit

11-06-2007, 12:09 PM

I still say Nas is.Also Big Pun,Rakim,Tech-9 and countless others I cant think of right now.

Most of my friends don't even know who Tech N9ne is. Don't know who overrates him. His beat selection can be terrible sometimes, but lyrically, he's very unique and talented. Listen to the final verse of "The Industry is punks".

Pun is certainly overrated. Gotta disagree about Rakim and Nas. Lyrically, no one has came close to matching Rakim's rhyme skill. Nas is the greatest MC of the past 15 years, IMO.

MoneyINC

11-06-2007, 01:11 PM

damn i wish i woulda known about this forum cuz i would schoole you *****es the most overrated rapper right now is Lil wayne, he drops dope mixtapes and hot songs but until he sales a million albums his a nobody... yet he calls himself the best rapper alive and yall believe him1

MoneyINC

11-06-2007, 01:14 PM

I still say Nas is.Also Big Pun,Rakim,Tech-9 and countless others I cant think of right now.

you da same ***** who posted afroman as one of the best diss songs.... lol Nas is a ****in king homey he no matter what nobody says dropped the first 5 mic certified LP the best diss track ever.. and his still doin it Nas is more of a lyrical master then a street flasher dats all.... Big Pun is dead you dont hear dat much of him but again listen to his lyrics der ****ing fire... Rakim lol dont even go der homey he da most underrated simply cuz he drops knowledge and aint never really want the spotlight... Tec-9 shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentecne as the cats you named before him.... The most overrated can be either wayne or jezzy!

res

11-06-2007, 02:05 PM

Most of my friends don't even know who Tech N9ne is. Don't know who overrates him. His beat selection can be terrible sometimes, but lyrically, he's very unique and talented. Listen to the final verse of "The Industry is punks".

Pun is certainly overrated. Gotta disagree about Rakim and Nas. Lyrically, no one has came close to matching Rakim's rhyme skill. Nas is the greatest MC of the past 15 years, IMO.

Why do you think Pun is overrated?

and In answer to this question, i have two letters T.I.

Never heard anything that wack get so much respect.

MetalVomit

11-06-2007, 08:06 PM

Why do you think Pun is overrated?

and In answer to this question, i have two letters T.I.

Never heard anything that wack get so much respect.

I think Pun was sick, but too many people have labeled him the G.O.A.T. or one of the top 5 ever, if he wouldnt have died so early in his career, he had the potential, but he never reached it.

MoneyINC

11-06-2007, 09:10 PM

what yall gotta understand abou pun ism he made Fat Joe and Joe since puns death has had 2 top charters had pun not existed you wouldnt know who fat joe was... so even after his death lik epac he made his presents felt!

FUMIN 88

11-07-2007, 10:18 AM

i agree pun made fat Joe but now puns gone fat joes just **** i think pun must of writ his lyrics

as for people putin Puns name in an overrated rapper thread man that **** just aint funny pun would kill any rapper on this planet to day

He had the best delivery, a great sense of wordplay, and it was as though every line he threw was a knockout punch. I would just sit back and listen to his album and think, "Man, how could anybody think stuff up like that?". It was pure Hip Hop, plain and simple.

pbftxrs316

11-29-2007, 12:04 AM

Pac is overrated. Too many people proclaim him as the G.O.A.T...for me that is conclusive proof that he's overrated.
, Way
Nobody RATES P.Diddy, 50 Cent, Kayne West....surely?? Damn, if they do, then they too are overrated just for being rated. Jay-Z's earlier stuff is alright...he's not the best but he's miles ahead of a lot of the new ****.

Hip hops best MC's were doing their thing between 87-94. That was without doubt the peak era for the genre. Nothing since has convinced me otherwise.then you must have missed a little rapper named eminem then huh? because, he could rap better than most rappers from any era of hip hop, and this is a fact. hip hop peaked again during the eminem era, where he was basically a one man army and he took over hip hop doing this, and did it brilliantly.