if he had a better trainer?

better than Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard???

hell no, would he have been a better boxer. possibly but his dad would have to still have wrapped his hands lol.

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I know...haven't heard this one before.

better than Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard???

hell no, would he have been a better boxer. possibly but his dad would have to still have wrapped his hands lol.
manny steward said if you think the way tito wrapped his hands lead to his knockouts you know nothing about boxing.i'll take his word over yours.but since theres been debates about sugar ray robinson and henry armstrong and the way tito was going threw divisions in the early part of this decade was hammerin hank esque could he have been . it's better than debate about the same **** with the same boxers all the ****ing time jeez.:ugh:

if he had a better trainer?
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His father was a great trainer for him. If he would of had better promotion early on and stayed at 154 he would of been right up there.

He is the GOAT


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Not even close. He would've got his ass handed to him by BHop no matter who his trainer was.

I know this is an old thread, but I miss Trinidad. What an entertaining fighter. devastating power, and yet had to get off the deck to win in a ridiculous amount of fights.


As for the thread title, well, you cant teach a better chin, although Trinidad could have benefitted from better defense and learning to roll with punches better.
On the other hand, the way he generated power was excellent. His technique was VERY solid in that respect.

Not even close. He would've got his ass handed to him by BHop no matter who his trainer was.

He would have handled Pacquiao though.

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as you can see by the date of the thread, i didn't know much about boxing then. i know better now.

His father was a great trainer for him. If he would of had better promotion early on and stayed at 154 he would of been right up there.
his father also said that his son needed a new trainer.
He is the GOAT


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:D

Not even close. He would've got his ass handed to him by BHop no matter who his trainer was.

and that's a terrible thing? b-hops a dinosaur and he's still schooling fools.
the fact that one guy might've had his number isn't a strange occurrence in boxing.


I know this is an old thread, but I miss Trinidad. What an entertaining fighter. devastating power, and yet had to get off the deck to win in a ridiculous amount of fights.


As for the thread title, well, you cant teach a better chin, although Trinidad could have benefitted from better defense and learning to roll with punches better.
On the other hand, the way he generated power was excellent. His technique was VERY solid in that respect. tito's chin wasn't that bad. he always recovered well.

the thing about tito is that he was always so squared up. if he wasn't so squared up, his already good jab would have been better. who knows the sorta fighter he could have been had he had great jab.

He would have handled Pacquiao though.

No he wouldn't. He wouldn't be able to catch Pac and would eat a ton of punches trying. He would end up looking like Margarito.

as you can see by the date of the thread, i didn't know much about boxing then. i know better now.


his father also said that his son needed a new trainer.


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and that's a terrible thing? b-hops a dinosaur and he's still schooling fools.
the fact that one guy might've had his number isn't a strange occurrence in boxing.


tito's chin wasn't that bad. he always recovered well.

the thing about tito is that he was always so squared up. if he wasn't so squared up, his already good jab would have been better. who knows the sorta fighter he could have been had he had great jab.
Well it's good to see you're still around.............. I think Tito was a very good fighter, better certainly than Oscar...... but there are a hundred greater fighters in history probably, but not many from our time come near him, terrific fighter..... and yes, it is good to talk about him............. indeed.

Trinidad is a slugger you can't just say oh but if he had a jab, that wasn't his style Trinidad was a slugger and that is what made him great.

No he wouldn't. He wouldn't be able to catch Pac and would eat a ton of punches trying. He would end up looking like Margarito.
Maybe, maybe not........................ but Trinidad was a level above Margarito,..... I rate that post low.

Trinidad is a slugger you can't just say oh but if he had a jab, that wasn't his style Trinidad was a slugger and that is what made him great.
Well if he was a slugger,..... he was one with a lot of skills.

No he wouldn't. He wouldn't be able to catch Pac

Yes because Pac is like Willie Pep in the ring.

Not only would Tito catch Pac but he would have taken Pac head off.

Well it's good to see you're still around.............. I think Tito was a very good fighter, better certainly than Oscar...... but there are a hundred greater fighters in history probably, but not many from our time come near him, terrific fighter..... and yes, it is good to talk about him............. indeed.

Post of the day, maybe of the year. Green K for you sir.

Trinidad is a slugger you can't just say oh but if he had a jab, that wasn't his style Trinidad was a slugger and that is what made him great.

what exactly made him a slugger? his offense started with a jab. he was as much a slugger as joe louis was. the fact that he wasn't afraid to punch doesn't make the guy a slugger. he was a boxer puncher, with 60/40 on the puncher.

Trinidad is a slugger you can't just say oh but if he had a jab, that wasn't his style Trinidad was a slugger and that is what made him great.

Trinidad was not a slugger, he was a boxer/puncher with devastating power. A slugger wades in with his punches mixing it up. Trinidad used precise combinations to create openings for his knock outs.

Trinidad was not a slugger, he was a boxer/puncher with devastating power. A slugger wades in with his punches mixing it up. Trinidad used precise combinations to create openings for his knock outs.


boxer/puncher is a stupid title IMO

I dont think calling Trinidad a 'slugger' is that bad. He was a pressure fighter with a low workrate who threw bombs. Obviously he had a lot of skill, particularly when it came to setting up his shots, but all 'sluggers' at the highest level have to to make it. but maybe this is just a stupid terminology argument that I dont want to get into because its superfluous.

he definitely did leave himself open to clean blows often. Which made him entertaining as hell.

Well it's good to see you're still around.............. I think Tito was a very good fighter, better certainly than Oscar...... but there are a hundred greater fighters in history probably, but not many from our time come near him, terrific fighter..... and yes, it is good to talk about him............. indeed.

i use to spend a lot of time on this forum. obviously, i needed it considering the stupid ass question i asked in one of my earliest threads.

No he wouldn't. He wouldn't be able to catch Pac and would eat a ton of punches trying. He would end up looking like Margarito.

lol. that's a good one. like margarito. rito wishes.

boxer/puncher is a stupid title IMO

Why? He didn't throw reckless punches looking to land bombs, he didn't wade in with abandon, he boxed with power. :dunno:

Post of the day, maybe of the year. Green K for you sir.
You are very welcome........ and to think,...... some of my posts have over 500 words or more in them. Tito was up near the top 5 mark in the last 20 years...... Hard to say exactly where..... and most people don't seem to understand that he was never a true Middleweight, not like that huge specimen and NOTABLE that I have in my signature....ANOTHER EMERALD GREEN PLUG...........subliminal.

Why? He didn't throw reckless punches looking to land bombs, he didn't wade in with abandon, he boxed with power. :dunno:

a fight like tito vs mayorga would explain the difference. or mayo vs anybody really.

boxer/puncher is a stupid title IMO
From now on I'm replying to your posts in this colour....... MAGENTA BOY....... Since WHEN DID THE TERM Boxer-Puncher NOT EXIST ????????.--------------- You are going from BAD TO WORSE......... A GAY COLOUR In Your Honour FaNBOy.

a fight like tito vs mayorga would explain the difference. or mayo vs anybody really.
Wouldnt you call Mayorga a brawler?


'boxer puncher' suggests that the fighter likes to use the ring, movement, and distance, but also had a lot of power when they sat down on their punches. Thats more a Wilfredo Gomez style to me.

Trinidad didnt fight like that to me.

Wouldnt you call Mayorga a brawler?


'boxer puncher' suggests that the fighter likes to use the ring, movement, and distance, but also had a lot of power when they sat down on their punches. Thats more a Wilfredo Gomez style to me.

Trinidad didnt fight like that to me.

brawler/slugger same deal. both want to take your head off...

far as tito, i suppose you haven't watch him enough then. it wasn't until the twilight of his career that he just turned into a head hunter.

a fight like tito vs mayorga would explain the difference. or mayo vs anybody really.

Wouldnt you call Mayorga a brawler?


'boxer puncher' suggests that the fighter likes to use the ring, movement, and distance, but also had a lot of power when they sat down on their punches. Thats more a Wilfredo Gomez style to me.

Trinidad didnt fight like that to me.

Sluggers and brawlers are reckless in my opinion and take chances because the don't have the skill to box in a classical sense. I've never been a fan of Tito the person, but he had a highly skilled offensive arsenal with subtle footwork in the mold of Arguello and Joe Louis. I don't think anyone would call them sluggers or brawlers, but thats only my opinion.

brawler/slugger same deal. both want to take your head off...

far as tito, i suppose you haven't watch him enough then. it wasn't until the twilight of his career that he just turned into a head hunter.lol, Ive seen pretty much all of Trinidad's meaningful fights in his career. dont give me that.

Just because youre a 'slugger' doesnt mean youre a headhunter by any means. Trinidad went to the body often, which was the key for his late round knockouts.

Foreman was a slugger too, but that doesnt mean he waded in on opponents with no defense throwing wild shots.

whatever, **** terminolgy. but personally a brawler and a slugger are not the same things to me.

Why? He didn't throw reckless punches looking to land bombs, he didn't wade in with abandon, he boxed with power. :dunno:


Anybody can be labeled as a boxer/puncher it doesn't mean anything.

I break it into 4 categories

Boxer - Wlad Ali(young) Hearns
Counter Puncher - Toney Mayweather(above lightweight)
Volume punchers - Pacquiao, Pryor, Meldrick Taylor
Slugger - Tyson Trinidad Foreman
Slugger/counter puncher - Hagler Morales Hopkins(90s)

Anybody can be labeled as a boxer/puncher it doesn't mean anything.

I break it into 4 categories

Boxer - Wlad Ali(young) Hearns
Counter Puncher - Toney Mayweather(above lightweight)
Volume punchers - Pacquiao Pryor Margarito
Slugger - Tyson Trinidad Foreman
Slugger/counter puncher - Hagler Morales Hopkins(90s)



lol you are in your own little world 24/7 365 huh?


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Anybody can be labeled as a boxer/puncher it doesn't mean anything.

I break it into 4 categories

Boxer - Wlad Ali(young) Hearns
Counter Puncher - Toney Mayweather(above lightweight)
Volume punchers - Pacquiao, Pryor, Meldrick Taylor
Slugger - Tyson Trinidad Foreman
Slugger/counter puncher - Hagler Morales Hopkins(90s)

what about

swarmers?

or nutsluggers?

Trinidad was not a slugger, he was a boxer/puncher with devastating power. A slugger wades in with his punches mixing it up. Trinidad used precise combinations to create openings for his knock outs.

Definitely not just a slugger he had skills, just the basic 1,2,3 kind of stuff but what could have could is an interesting thought if he had better defensive skill.

what about

swarmers?

or nutsluggers?

Volume punchers, sluggers and slugger/counter punchers all of them generally come foraward.

lol you are in your own little world 24/7 365 huh?


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you

Exactly :hahahaha9: He's under the narcissistic impression that nobody knew anything about boxing until he, CondomBoi, came along to provide new definitions for everything :rofl9:

Poet

Volume punchers, sluggers and slugger/counter punchers all of them generally come foraward.

So in other words anybody who doesn't fight a defensive fight is a slugger in your opinion. Brilliant!! :pat:

So in other words anybody who doesn't fight a defensive fight is a slugger in your opinion. Brilliant!! :pat:

lol how did you get that from my post. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

But apparently it isn't yours.

lol how did you get that from my post. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Im all ears, please explain yourself.

"So in other words anybody who doesn't fight a defensive fight is a slugger in your opinion."

How did you get this from my post?

"So in other words anybody who doesn't fight a defensive fight is a slugger in your opinion."

How did you get this from my post?

Explain what you meant than and quit ducking the question, because I can say for a fact that more counter punchers than not will wait on their opponent to commit to them. I can also say that being a boxer/puncher like Trinidad and putting pressure on does not make you a slugger, swarmer or brawler. As I've already stated, Trinidad use boxing skills, precision and power to win fights. Sluggers are not as skilled and want to turn the fight into a brawl. Here is some video evidence for you.

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Anybody can be labeled as a boxer/puncher it doesn't mean anything.

I break it into 4 categories

Boxer - Wlad Ali(young) Hearns
Counter Puncher - Toney Mayweather(above lightweight)
Volume punchers - Pacquiao, Pryor, Meldrick Taylor
Slugger - Tyson Trinidad Foreman
Slugger/counter puncher - Hagler Morales Hopkins(90s)
LOL..... can you name even three fighters prior to Ali that I don't talk about............... come on show us your vast knowledge.......... New England is 100% on the money with his estimation............ You just drive me nuts with your re-cycling of the same 20 names, over and over an over and over and over & over & over,......... fsssssst......

No, because he had physical limitations that would still keep him from being that kind of fighter.

no, no he couldnt

Anybody can be labeled as a boxer/puncher it doesn't mean anything.

I break it into 4 categories

Boxer - Wlad Ali(young) Hearns
Counter Puncher - Toney Mayweather(above lightweight)
Volume punchers - Pacquiao, Pryor, Meldrick Taylor
Slugger - Tyson Trinidad Foreman
Slugger/counter puncher - Hagler Morales Hopkins(90s)

That looks like five categories to me...

That looks like five categories to me...

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trinidad = very popular limited fighter

No, because he had physical limitations that would still keep him from being that kind of fighter.

no, no he couldnt

i asked this 4 years ago.

i asked this 4 years ago.

It's all good my man. I just saw a p4p list I did 3 or 4 years ago and I didn't have Harry Greb in the top 10. We've kept open minds since then and we've learned. Opinions change with facts, that should be a good thing for any objective fan of the sport.

No he wouldn't. He wouldn't be able to catch Pac and would eat a ton of punches trying. He would end up looking like Margarito.I agree. He was just as slow as Margs.

The answer to that question is no. He was never able to cut off the ring properly and against good "boxers" it showed. If he had a fighter his size that wanted to just stand in there then he was super tough. I never caught the Trinidad fever and saw that whoopin from Bhop coming a mile away.

It's all good my man. I just saw a p4p list I did 3 or 4 years ago and I didn't have Harry Greb in the top 10. We've kept open minds since then and we've learned. Opinions change with facts, that should be a good thing for any objective fan of the sport.

I'm not embarrassed by it, jab. it was a stupid question i asked when i was stupid about boxing.

i just find the answers condescending.

Oscar should just have pulled himself together, and he had won that fight also.