Words were out that what the the Pacquiao team has as "something concrete" to announce this coming Monday is the contract for the Pacquiao-Larios match in November. The Pacman really needs this fight as the tune-up for the PAC-JMM rematch in February. I just hope this news turns out to be what Pacman and us are hoping for -- that we see Pacman in action before the year ends!

Would this be another action-packed thriller with Pac's signature written over it, or would Pac follow JMM's strategy against Salido to win and therefore guarantee a rematch with "El Dinamita" but bore the fight fans in the process?

What do you guys think?

Words were out that what the the Pacquiao team has as "something concrete" to announce this coming Monday is the contract for the Pacquiao-Larios rubber match in November. The Pacman really needs this fight as the tune-up for the PAC-JMM rematch in February. I just hope this news turn out to be what Pacman and us to be hoping for -- that we see Pacman in action before the year ends!

Would this be another action-packed thriller with Pac's signature written over it, or would Pac follow JMM's strategy against Salido to win and therefore guarantee a rematch with "El Dinamita" but bore the fight fans in the process?

What do you guys think?

1) Can someone help me with the meaning of "rubber" match? I thought it was a back and forth rematches, like trilogies and all.

2) Honestly, think back loooong and hard. Has Pac ever disappoint his fans with being carefull and preserving himself?

2 things can happen.
a) Pac will try to finish off Larios as fast as he can. Swarm him and a lot of exchanges.

b) Pac will toy with Larios and make the fight last long. Due to his recent inactivity, he need teh extra rounds to stay sharp. I personally think this is what he will do. Break Larios till the late rounds before taking him out.

No matter what he does, it will be an exciting fight. That I can guarantee you.

A rubbermatch is the third fight in a trilogy.

1) Can someone help me with the meaning of "rubber" match? I thought it was a back and forth rematches, like trilogies and all.

2) Honestly, think back loooong and hard. Has Pac ever disappoint his fans with being carefull and preserving himself?

2 things can happen.
a) Pac will try to finish off Larios as fast as he can. Swarm him and a lot of exchanges.

b) Pac will toy with Larios and make the fight last long. Due to his recent inactivity, he need teh extra rounds to stay sharp. I personally think this is what he will do. Break Larios till the late rounds before taking him out.

No matter what he does, it will be an exciting fight. That I can guarantee you.

Mooks, you're right "rubber match" means showdown or final fight. Sorry guys, my mistake.

this is gonna be a good fight
i doubt pac will be able to toy with Larios as much as u seem to think he'll be able too
ofcourse pac will attack
its the only way he knows how to fight
hes a mini-mike
lets just hope his career doesnt end up like mikes
as far as JMM being boring
thats ur opinion and ur entited to it
but thats how he fights
the pac fight seemed more exciting to you becuz u had your fighter in their and the 3 dramatic knockdowns
but other then th first round the fight kinda went the same as pac one
JMM nice clean hard combos
only salido wasnt as willing to press the action since he was gettin nailed with great combos
JMM and Pac rematch will be even better this time round
they know eachother
and i think manny knows he has to finish him early
if hes gonna KO him
that is unless manny buys good socks dis time round

A rubber match is only a rubber match if the series is split 1-1 so far.

For example. Wright-McKart III couldn't be a rubber match cuz Wright won all three.

On the topic......Pac will KO Larios within 3.

A rubber match is only a rubber match if the series is split 1-1 so far.

For example. Wright-McKart III couldn't be a rubber match cuz Wright won all three.

I thought a rubber match applies too if both sides have even points besides 1-1 (i.e. 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, ...etc.). In other words, a rubber match aims to break a tie to determine who is the real winner? Are these correct?

Once Pac sees that Larios has no power, he's going for the kill...unless as I said he wants to prolong the fight.

Larios will be KO'ed by Pac within 5. Larios just cant take a punch

This is gonna be a quickie ;)

yeah i agree larios is gonna get ko'ed..he cant take a punch and cant switch tactics like JMM (look at how he switches is way of boxing in 3rd-12) larios will get ko'ed and give manny more confidence..which is good cuz i wanna see a goof JMM/pac rematch...

Words were out that what the the Pacquiao team has as "something concrete" to announce this coming Monday is the contract for the Pacquiao-Larios match in November. The Pacman really needs this fight as the tune-up for the PAC-JMM rematch in February. I just hope this news turns out to be what Pacman and us are hoping for -- that we see Pacman in action before the year ends!

Would this be another action-packed thriller with Pac's signature written over it, or would Pac follow JMM's strategy against Salido to win and therefore guarantee a rematch with "El Dinamita" but bore the fight fans in the process?

What do you guys think?First off, the choice of an opponent is interesting for a tune-up match. Larios is a highly regarded fighter, e.g., alphabet belt at jr. feather and all that. Better regarded than Salido whose "mandatory" ranking when he climbed the ring against Marquez is a mystery, given the Juarez's, et al, Larios had often expressed the desire to meet Pacman-- which can be taken as an indication that he is not fazed by Pac's reputation and would make a go of it. Second, on the manner in which Manny would handle Larios: I'm inclined to think that he will do so in the fashion that he dealt with Ldwaba and others he met at Jr. Feather, which was to size up the opponent in the first two or three rounds, retaining the option to unleash power if the opportunity is presented. With Manny's well-earned reputation, I don't think Larios will be so foolish as to start on fire, although more foolish things have been done in boxing through the years. If Larios shows prudence, it will be up to Manny to creat the character of the fight; and if he does what he always did, and did excellently, he'll force Larios to fight. Manny has never been in a boring contest that I know of, and I've seen more than my fair dose of Pacquiao fights. I don't think he will do a Marquez-Salido. It's not in his blood. It would be a case of "If Larios wouldn't come to Manny, Manny will take it to Larios." Larios' punching power is not the type to make Manny think twice. He's tasted harder leather before. So, reserve your seats guys!

yea i think if larios can go in there and box beautifully and keep pac off and power counter punch pac he has a chance..but pac is to fast either way..larios deserves more credit then he's getting...but

if larios ko's pac..i am gonna laugh my ass off...when is this fight happeneing again????

Words were out that what the the Pacquiao team has as "something concrete" to announce this coming Monday is the contract for the Pacquiao-Larios match in November. The Pacman really needs this fight as the tune-up for the PAC-JMM rematch in February. I just hope this news turns out to be what Pacman and us are hoping for -- that we see Pacman in action before the year ends!

Would this be another action-packed thriller with Pac's signature written over it, or would Pac follow JMM's strategy against Salido to win and therefore guarantee a rematch with "El Dinamita" but bore the fight fans in the process?

What do you guys think?



SAME as everybody else I want to see Pac fighing before the year ends . . . but certainly not in the MAB/MORALES under card.... that's a slap in the face.

It's not on Pacquiao's resume to give fans a boring fight . . . that never happen yet. Pacquiao is a natural action fighter and puts 100% effort in all his fights. Ensure victory? :D :D :D There's only one way to ensure victory . . . that is to send opponents to the dream land.

First off, the choice of an opponent is interesting for a tune-up match. Larios is a highly regarded fighter, e.g., alphabet belt at jr. feather and all that. Better regarded than Salido whose "mandatory" ranking when he climbed the ring against Marquez is a mystery, given the Juarez's, et al, Larios had often expressed the desire to meet Pacman-- which can be taken as an indication that he is not fazed by Pac's reputation and would make a go of it. Second, on the manner in which Manny would handle Larios: I'm inclined to think that he will do so in the fashion that he dealt with Ldwaba and others he met at Jr. Feather, which was to size up the opponent in the first two or three rounds, retaining the option to unleash power if the opportunity is presented. With Manny's well-earned reputation, I don't think Larios will be so foolish as to start on fire, although more foolish things have been done in boxing through the years. If Larios shows prudence, it will be up to Manny to creat the character of the fight; and if he does what he always did, and did excellently, he'll force Larios to fight. Manny has never been in a boring contest that I know of, and I've seen more than my fair dose of Pacquiao fights. I don't think he will do a Marquez-Salido. It's not in his blood. It would be a case of "If Larios wouldn't come to Manny, Manny will take it to Larios." Larios' punching power is not the type to make Manny think twice. He's tasted harder leather before. So, reserve your seats guys!

that was beautifull...

yeah i agree larios is gonna get ko'ed..he cant take a punch and cant switch tactics like JMM (look at how he switches is way of boxing in 3rd-12) larios will get ko'ed and give manny more confidence..which is good cuz i wanna see a goof JMM/pac rematch...

changed boxing styles? what style? he just backed off...

that was beautifull...Thanks, Buddy. And, that Avatar of yours ain't too bad either! Neat! :)

It's gonna be Larios-Hussein on November according to boxlatino.com. So what's going on? :confused:

Anyway, Pac destroys Larios within 6 rounds max.

It will be a good fight, between two fearless fighters. Its an important fight for both fighters, a career defining fight for Larios and a risky tune up for Pacquiao, not like the safe path taken by Chicken JMM.

A little humour for everyone's pleasing

SAME as everybody else I want to see Pac fighing before the year ends . . . but certainly not in the MAB/MORALES under card.... that's a slap in the face.

It's not on Pacquiao's resume to give fans a boring fight . . . that never happen yet. Pacquiao is a natural action fighter and puts 100% effort in all his fights. Ensure victory? :D :D :D There's only one way to ensure victory . . . that is to send opponents to the dream land.

He's not a boring skilled technician like JMM...he's one mean fighting machine. ;)

It's gonna be Larios-Hussein on November according to boxlatino.com. So what's going on? :confused:

Anyway, Pac destroys Larios within 6 rounds max.

Hussein? Are you seeriiiouss?? ohhhh mannn poor Larios. I feel bad for the guy seriously, he just ended his career.

A little humour for everyone's pleasingYup! :D Both wicked & nice! :)

It's gonna be Larios-Hussein on November according to boxlatino.com. So what's going on? :confused:

Anyway, Pac destroys Larios within 6 rounds max.I join you in the "WHAT'S GOING ON!" chorus! Re: Nedal and Larios, the latter should watch out! His procreative capacity is on the line! He'd better get a thicker cup!

He's not a boring skilled technician like JMM...he's one mean fighting machine. ;)


by the way its Boxingscene tradition for newbies to give me all there points for the first week.

welcome to the site

A rubbermatch is the third fight in a trilogy.

a rubbermatch i think is a must-win fight, that's just what i think!

what's this? Hussein vs Larios? Hussein doesnt do boxing, he do wrestling! anyway, if the referee can control the fight, Hussein will be disqualified. ;)

if pac man wants the fight to go the distance or knock him out late he will do so, if he just goes out there and tries to knock him out (risky) then he will probably do it within 5 rounds.... either way it will be an interesting fight, i just hope hes cautious because if he isnt then it could throw a spanner in the works for the up and coming super fights

if pac man wants the fight to go the distance or knock him out late he will do so, if he just goes out there and tries to knock him out (risky) then he will probably do it within 5 rounds.... either way it will be an interesting fight, i just hope hes cautious because if he isnt then it could throw a spanner in the works for the up and coming super fights

What do you guys think about Pacquiao-Harrison in Glasgow -- because I'm also hearing this news from the Pacman camp? Some people believe that Harrison is a hard-hitting Scottman that has a legit chance to beat Pacquiao. I say Pacquiao would be too much for him.

But between this and PAC-LARIOS, I would prefer the latter. Besides, Nazario is not inclined to have Manny fight in Glasgow because he's afraid that what Harrison needs to do is only to remain standing up to the 12th round and he's gonna get the hometown decision.

I have this feeling that PAC-LARIOS would be the undercard for MAB-MORALES which is a little embarrasing because Pacquiao is bigger than Barrera now. However if it happens, HBO will be up in the air because Pacquiao in addition to Morales is also a big fan-drawer. However, I don't view this scenario as detrimental to Pacquiao's reputation, because his real objective is to have a tune-up fight before the year ends, and if this is the only way he can get it, then let's bring the PACMAN on!!! :cool: :D :rolleyes:

What do you guys think about Pacquiao-Harrison in Glasgow -- because I'm also hearing this news from the Pacman camp? Some people believe that Harrison is a hard-hitting Scottman that has a legit chance to beat Pacquiao. I say Pacquiao would be too much for him.

But between this and PAC-LARIOS, I would prefer the latter. Besides, Nazario is not inclined to have Manny fight in Glasgow because he's afraid that what Harrison needs to do is only to remain standing up to the 12th round and he's gonna get the hometown decision.

I have this feeling that PAC-LARIOS would be the undercard for MAB-MORALES which is a little embarrasing because Pacquiao is bigger than Barrera now. However if it happens, HBO will be up in the air because Pacquiao in addition to Morales is also a big fan-drawer. However, I don't view this scenario as detrimental to Pacquiao's reputation, because his real objective is to have a tune-up fight before the year ends, and if this is the only way he can get it, then let's bring the PACMAN on!!! :cool: :D :rolleyes:

What would be a strong statement is if Pac somehow agrees to fight Larios on the undercard and simply destroys him in 1 rounds. Undercard or no undercard, if Pac does this, his fame and fan base would surely grow.

What do you guys think about Pacquiao-Harrison in Glasgow -- because I'm also hearing this news from the Pacman camp? Some people believe that Harrison is a hard-hitting Scottman that has a legit chance to beat Pacquiao. I say Pacquiao would be too much for him.

But between this and PAC-LARIOS, I would prefer the latter. Besides, Nazario is not inclined to have Manny fight in Glasgow because he's afraid that what Harrison needs to do is only to remain standing up to the 12th round and he's gonna get the hometown decision.

I have this feeling that PAC-LARIOS would be the undercard for MAB-MORALES which is a little embarrasing because Pacquiao is bigger than Barrera now. However if it happens, HBO will be up in the air because Pacquiao in addition to Morales is also a big fan-drawer. However, I don't view this scenario as detrimental to Pacquiao's reputation, because his real objective is to have a tune-up fight before the year ends, and if this is the only way he can get it, then let's bring the PACMAN on!!! :cool: :D :rolleyes:



Well Pacquiao going to glassglow to fight HARRISON is a much better option than bitting into that undercard offer. I'm not really worried on the "losing via scorecards" scenario, with Pacquiao and Harrison's reputed style of fighting I'm sure that the percentage of that fight going to the scorecards is very remote. The only problem is the MONEY factor. HBO I'm sure will not allow Manny to fight outside of their territory where they can't earn a single cent.

Well Pacquiao going to glassglow to fight HARRISON is a much better option than bitting into that undercard offer. I'm not really worried on the "losing via scorecards" scenario, with Pacquiao and Harrison's reputed style of fighting I'm sure that the percentage of that fight going to the scorecards is very remote. The only problem is the MONEY factor. HBO I'm sure will not allow Manny to fight outside of their territory where they can't earn a single cent.

HBO doesn't even have anymore fight dates for PAc so what the hell do they care.

What do you guys think about Pacquiao-Harrison in Glasgow -- because I'm also hearing this news from the Pacman camp? Some people believe that Harrison is a hard-hitting Scottman that has a legit chance to beat Pacquiao. I say Pacquiao would be too much for him.

But between this and PAC-LARIOS, I would prefer the latter. Besides, Nazario is not inclined to have Manny fight in Glasgow because he's afraid that what Harrison needs to do is only to remain standing up to the 12th round and he's gonna get the hometown decision.

I have this feeling that PAC-LARIOS would be the undercard for MAB-MORALES which is a little embarrasing because Pacquiao is bigger than Barrera now. However if it happens, HBO will be up in the air because Pacquiao in addition to Morales is also a big fan-drawer. However, I don't view this scenario as detrimental to Pacquiao's reputation, because his real objective is to have a tune-up fight before the year ends, and if this is the only way he can get it, then let's bring the PACMAN on!!! :cool: :D Fine with me that Pacman meet Harrison, wherever. They're bound to meet sometime, somehow if none of them gets derailed. Now is as good a time as any, given that Manny is virtually scraping the bottom of the barrel in trying to get even just a tune-up fight among featherweights (in my eyes, Larios is basically still a jr. feather and a good one). Harrison is a Wayne McCoulough-type. His KO rate is just a shade over 50%; but he KO'd William Abelyan in his last fight. That got the British fans swooning, anticipating the return of the glory days of featherweights in the empire which was abbreviated when Hamed crawled into his hole after having been jabbed silly by Barrera. But if the purpose of a tune-up, as I understand it, is to hone further the skills neeeded to face the fighter one is tuning up for, then Harrison is not the best material around. His style cannot be mistaken for Morales'. Harrison is in the record books as 5'7, just as tall as Manny. Morales is taller. Harrison was beaten by Medina earlier, but avenged that before meeting Abelyan. BBC announced some days ago that Harrison will be defending his WBO title agains an African. If the BBC report is true, then, Harrison won't be available for a Pac fight. I am tempted to think that any talk about a Harrison-Pac meeting by the Harrison camp is just to raise their man's stature and make him look like part of the division's elite; and to hype Harrison's next fight into the bargain. :) If the news, as you say, has been heard from Pacman's camp, then I don't know how they can work out the schedule there being that announced WBO title defense by Harrison. Could it be that Pacman's crew is reaching in desperation because Pac can't get a fight and is restless and is putting the heat on them? Could very well be the case and I won't like to be in their shoes. If I'm asked who I think should be picked to face APac in a tune-up, I'll say Larios. But then, that's just ten cents worth of an opinion, which is the highest bid for any that I have. ;)

Fine with me that Pacman meet Harrison, wherever. They're bound to meet sometime, somehow if none of them gets derailed. Now is as good a time as any, given that Manny is virtually scraping the bottom of the barrel in trying to get even just a tune-up fight among featherweights (in my eyes, Larios is basically still a jr. feather and a good one). Harrison is a Wayne McCoulough-type. His KO rate is just a shade over 50%; but he KO'd William Abelyan in his last fight. That got the British fans swooning, anticipating the return of the glory days of featherweights in the empire which was abbreviated when Hamed crawled into his hole after having been jabbed silly by Barrera. But if the purpose of a tune-up, as I understand it, is to hone further the skills neeeded to face the fighter one is tuning up for, then Harrison is not the best material around. His style cannot be mistaken for Morales'. Harrison is in the record books as 5'7, just as tall as Manny. Morales is taller. Harrison was beaten by Medina earlier, but avenged that before meeting Abelyan. BBC announced some days ago that Harrison will be defending his WBO title agains an African. If the BBC report is true, then, Harrison won't be available for a Pac fight. I am tempted to think that any talk about a Harrison-Pac meeting by the Harrison camp is just to raise their man's stature and make him look like part of the division's elite; and to hype Harrison's next fight into the bargain. :) If the news, as you say, has been heard from Pacman's camp, then I don't know how they can work out the schedule there being that announced WBO title defense by Harrison. Could it be that Pacman's crew is reaching in desperation because Pac can't get a fight and is restless and is putting the heat on them? Could very well be the case and I won't like to be in their shoes. If I'm asked who I think should be picked to face APac in a tune-up, I'll say Larios. But then, that's just ten cents worth of an opinion, which is the highest bid for any that I have. ;)

The BBC report is true. Harrison will face the challenge of Kebede. Pac is out of the picture. Boxlatino alleges that a Larios-Hussein Jr. Featherweight championship showdown is in the works. Pac is out again. Offers were made, words were leaked into the press with the name of Pacquiao written all over it to generate attention...that's all there is to it. WBA regular featherweight champ Chris John of Indonesia is going to fight Derrick Gainer. While WBC featherweight champ In Jin Chi is asking for a ridiculous amount of money. That's the story as of late bros. HBO can't accommodate a PacMan fight into its tight schedule anymore. Pac will seem to have a long vacation.

The BBC report is true. Harrison will face the challenge of Kebede. Pac is out of the picture. Boxlatino alleges that a Larios-Hussein Jr. Featherweight championship showdown is in the works. Pac is out again. Offers were made, words were leaked into the press with the name of Pacquiao written all over it to generate attention...that's all there is to it. WBA regular featherweight champ Chris John of Indonesia is going to fight Derrick Gainer. While WBC featherweight champ In Jin Chi is asking for a ridiculous amount of money. That's the story as of late bros. HBO can't accommodate a PacMan fight into its tight schedule anymore. Pac will seem to have a long vacation. :) Thanx for the info,pal!... :( sad as its contents are that Pacman is again left out in the cold. But the, there's that Larios buzz! What's the real score on that?

:) Thanx for the info,pal!... :( sad as its contents are that Pacman is again left out in the cold. But the, there's that Larios buzz! What's the real score on that?

You're welcome bro. On that Larios-Hussein buzz, boxlatino has not made any follow-up report as of date.

Hey, Joan Guzman has openly challenged Pacquiao. I don't think it's a good fight for Pac. I mean, what Pac needs is tune-up alright to keep himself in top fighting form NOT a dangerous challenge that could derail his future rematch with JMMarquez.

Your thoughts on this Pac-Guzman match-up.

You're welcome bro. On that Larios-Hussein buzz, boxlatino has not made any follow-up report as of date.

Hey, Joan Guzman has openly challenged Pacquiao. I don't think it's a good fight for Pac. I mean, what Pac needs is tune-up alright to keep himself in top fighting form NOT a dangerous challenge that could derail his future rematch with JMMarquez.

Your thoughts on this Pac-Guzman match-up.With you on that, buddy. No point in taking risks. Guzman, if anything, should be eyed as a big-purse prospect that Manny can meet in the future, to rake in some more of those $$$. Guzman, Rocky Juarez... those guys can be big fights in the horizon for Pac. Why meet Guzman now for relative peanuts when, after Guzman pads his record sufficiently and Manny stays on a roll, the big bucks can be had after, say, a year or two? Whatdya think? :)

With you on that, buddy. No point in taking risks. Guzman, if anything, should be eyed as a big-purse prospect that Manny can meet in the future, to rake in some more of those $$$. Guzman, Rocky Juarez... those guys can be big fights in the horizon for Pac. Why meet Guzman now for relative peanuts when, after Guzman pads his record sufficiently and Manny stays on a roll, the big bucks can be had after, say, a year or two? Whatdya think? :)


I agree with you. Guzman is a serious threat without the benefit of a high $$$ reward yet. It'll be good if he could clean up his weight class first then move up and challenge Pacquiao. It's interesting to note that Guzman actually challenged both Larios and Vasquez for megabuck showdowns and even hyped himself up as the "Mexican Assasin", he was just ignored though. Anyway a Pac-Guzman fight in the future would be interesting, who's the bigger puncher?

I agree with you. Guzman is a serious threat without the benefit of a high $$$ reward yet. It'll be good if he could clean up his weight class first then move up and challenge Pacquiao. It's interesting to note that Guzman actually challenged both Larios and Vasquez for megabuck showdowns and even hyped himself up as the "Mexican Assasin", he was just ignored though. Anyway a Pac-Guzman fight in the future would be interesting, who's the bigger puncher?

guzman. pac's power is derived from his speed.

I agree with you. Guzman is a serious threat without the benefit of a high $$$ reward yet. It'll be good if he could clean up his weight class first then move up and challenge Pacquiao. It's interesting to note that Guzman actually challenged both Larios and Vasquez for megabuck showdowns and even hyped himself up as the "Mexican Assasin", he was just ignored though. Anyway a Pac-Guzman fight in the future would be interesting, who's the bigger puncher? :D Good question! Don't have any answer now. I'll have to wait till I see more of Guzman. He challenged Chololo and Vasquez, eh? It would have been good to watch-- either fight or both. But Larios and Vasquez are I think aching for far bigger deals than a meeting with Guzman can offer. If Larios is to meet Nadel before he meets Pac, he'd better be careful that Hussein doesn't give him permanent damage. Hussein is notorious! :) Larios better keep away from Nadel's fouls!Hussein can remind one of Love Allotey (from Ghana), but Alotey had a lot more grace whenver he threw those elbows and nutcrackers and all...! :)

:D Good question! Don't have any answer now. I'll have to wait till I see more of Guzman. He challenged Chololo and Vasquez, eh? It would have been good to watch-- either fight or both. But Larios and Vasquez are I think aching for far bigger deals than a meeting with Guzman can offer. If Larios is to meet Nadel before he meets Pac, he'd better be careful that Hussein doesn't give him permanent damage. Hussein is notorious! :) Larios better keep away from Nadel's fouls!Hussein can remind one of Love Allotey (from Ghana), but Alotey had a lot more grace whenver he threw those elbows and nutcrackers and all...! :)

Hussein's insane lol. Forget about him getting hurt, I truly feel that he will knock Larios out. But we'll see.

:D Good question! Don't have any answer now. I'll have to wait till I see more of Guzman. He challenged Chololo and Vasquez, eh? It would have been good to watch-- either fight or both. But Larios and Vasquez are I think aching for far bigger deals than a meeting with Guzman can offer. If Larios is to meet Nadel before he meets Pac, he'd better be careful that Hussein doesn't give him permanent damage. Hussein is notorious! :) Larios better keep away from Nadel's fouls!

It'll be foolish for any fighter to fight Nedal Hussein, this guy is one of the dirtiest fighters I've seen. He throws so many low blows and headbutts his opponents. I wonder why is Larios' camp is so eager to match Chololo against this guy when the risk of damaging their fighter is very high? What do they think they can get out of this match? I wonder if Boxlatino's tipster is credible though.

Hussein's insane lol. Forget about him getting hurt, I truly feel that he will knock Larios out. But we'll see.

Hussein gave Manny a hell of a fight with those low blows and headbutts. This fight showed Manny's maturity in the ring by maintaining his cool and focus and was rewarded by a TKO later in the fight (10th round I think).

Hussein's insane lol. Forget about him getting hurt, I truly feel that he will knock Larios out. But we'll see.Hussein is always a dangerous fighter to take on. He throws everything including the kitchen sink and a bit more! I think he and Agapito Sanchez are ranking, card-carrying members of the same club! :)

:D Good question! Don't have any answer now. I'll have to wait till I see more of Guzman. He challenged Chololo and Vasquez, eh? It would have been good to watch-- either fight or both. But Larios and Vasquez are I think aching for far bigger deals than a meeting with Guzman can offer. If Larios is to meet Nadel before he meets Pac, he'd better be careful that Hussein doesn't give him permanent damage. Hussein is notorious! :) Larios better keep away from Nadel's fouls!Hussein can remind one of Love Allotey (from Ghana), but Alotey had a lot more grace whenver he threw those elbows and nutcrackers and all...! :)

Yeah, I heard. Hussein's got the rep as being in the same league as Agapito in this department...sewage. LOL He's got a real mean body shot bro! Stronger puncher than Larios in my opinion. Nadel stopped all his opponents lately while Larios wasn't really impressive in his last 3 fights. I reckon Hussein KO's Larios or Larios wins by boxing.

Hussein gave Manny a hell of a fight with those low blows and headbutts. This fight showed Manny's maturity in the ring by maintaining his cool and focus and was rewarded by a TKO later in the fight (10th round I think).Yup, Hussein and Agapito Sanchez are two of those who really put Manny's maturity to severe tests. :)

Hussein gave Manny a hell of a fight with those low blows and headbutts. This fight showed Manny's maturity in the ring by maintaining his cool and focus and was rewarded by a TKO later in the fight (10th round I think).

...and Hussein's a strong fighter, he was able to withstand Pac's assault and even slipped in his short jab-like left hand that KD'd the PacMan. Pac got up after that controversial long count by the ref and proceeded to tear the Aussie's face into shreds.

Yeah, I heard. Hussein's got the rep as being in the same league as Agapito in this department...sewage. LOL He's got a real mean body shot bro! Stronger puncher than Larios in my opinion. Nadel stopped all his opponents lately while Larios wasn't really impressive in his last 3 fights. I reckon Hussein KO's Larios or Larios wins by boxing. Yeah, his last meeting that I know of was with Ivan Alvarez at 125 lbs in Albuquerque, was it? Alvarez was 19-13 going into the fight and had been beaten before by Larios at jr. feather but Chololo wasn't able to put him away that time. Larios' last two other featherweight fights (127 with Jesus Perez in Ft. Worth and Maros Licona in LA) were reported to be way short of what Larios would point to as highwatermarks in his career. Lizcona he met (non-title) between winning the WBC Superbantam title vs. Jorrin and defending it against Shigeru Nakazato in Japan during his first of two encounters with the Japanese fighter. It seems to me that Larios has had only one TKO in his last 6 fights? Taht one in Nagoya vs. Ishi (TKO2)? That's why I still see him as a jr. feather; he hasn't shown much as feather, I think, although one must not discount a former champion who has lost only thrice his his career in over 50 fights.

Yeah, his last meeting that I know of was with Ivan Alvarez at 125 lbs in Albuquerque, was it? Alvarez was 19-13 going into the fight and had been beaten before by Larios at jr. feather but Chololo wasn't able to put him away that time. Larios' last two other featherweight fights (127 with Jesus Perez in Ft. Worth and Maros Licona in LA) were reported to be way short of what Larios would point to as highwatermarks in his career. Lizcona he met (non-title) between winning the WBC Superbantam title vs. Jorrin and defending it against Shigeru Nakazato in Japan during his first of two encounters with the Japanese fighter. It seems to me that Larios has had only one TKO in his last 6 fights? Taht one in Nagoya vs. Ishi (TKO2)? That's why I still see him as a jr. feather; he hasn't shown much as feather, I think, although one must not discount a former champion who has lost only thrice his his career in over 50 fights.

Yeah, Larios has been a good champ and has gone through a lot of wars, his experience will always guide him. Hey, have you seen his fight against Nakazato? Man, i thought he's gonna eclipse Mantecas Medina's record in most punches thrown in a fight, if I'm not mistaken it stands at around 122 ppr set against that fight with Mi Vida Loca Tapia. The samurai warrior just ate them like sushi and kept asking for more ;) I dunno if those were just powderpuff punches or the Jap was simply made of granite. Larios actually was on rubbery legs in the 5th & 6th rounds after Nakazato slipped some of his few counters, now that reminds me of his chin again.

Yeah, Larios has been a good champ and has gone through a lot of wars, his experience will always guide him. Hey, have you seen his fight against Nakazato? Man, i thought he's gonna eclipse Mantecas Medina's record in most punches thrown in a fight, if I'm not mistaken it stands at around 122 ppr set against that fight with Mi Vida Loca Tapia. The samurai warrior just ate them like sushi and kept asking for more ;) I dunno if those were just powderpuff punches or the Jap was simply made of granite. Larios actually was on rubbery legs in the 5th & 6th rounds after Nakazato slipped some of his few counters, now that reminds me of his chin again.Best!!! Missed Tapia-Medina, though I heard lotsa decibels about it; as I should! "Ate them like sushi..." :D ! is right!!! :D! His chin: I look at the times he visited the canvass and I see that its pretty low given the number of fights he's had; but then, the fight number could also mean he's been at the mean end of fists too often too long. And, Hussein doesn't just throw fists! He can dstract Larios with fouls--just short of getting the ref's goat-- play mind games, before teeing off with a legit fight-ender.Hussein is also a swarmer. Larios shoud find his hands full. But if Larios digs deep into his experience (he's lost to Agapito and if he has learned from that), he should come up with something... For his sake I hope he does! :D

Well, whatever happened to the title of this thread coz Murad has just lined up a Gary St. Clair for the PacMan. This virtually unknown fighter has been campaigning at Lightweight and jr. Welterweight classes, having been into the ring with Corrales, Vivian Harris and Leonard Dorrin. He's never been KO'd, even Chicco's power wasn't enough to stop him. Is this all the "miracle" that Murad can come up with? :confused:

Pac should get Arum next year, he's a crook maybe...but a wily crook with good connections that makes Murad look like an amateur! :mad:

Well, whatever happened to the title of this thread coz Murad has just lined up a Gary St. Clair for the PacMan. This virtually unknown fighter has been campaigning at Lightweight and jr. Welterweight classes, having been into the ring with Corrales, Vivian Harris and Leonard Dorrin. He's never been KO'd, even Chicco's power wasn't enough to stop him. Is this all the "miracle" that Murad can come up with? :confused:

Pac should get Arum next year, he's a crook maybe...but a wily crook with good connections that makes Murad look like an amateur! :mad: :) Dunno, Buddy...dunno what happened to the Larios announced meeting. You took the words right outa my mouth re Murad! If this is a miracle, don't wanna know what bad luck for Manny is! :(

:) Dunno, Buddy...dunno what happened to the Larios announced meeting. You took the words right outa my mouth re Murad! If this is a miracle, don't wanna know what bad luck for Manny is! :(

I just don't feel good about this "tune-up" for Pacquiao bro. The RISK in fighting this Jr. Welterweight fighter is there, looming like a shadow. The danger is when Pac underestimates this unknown guy - a "nobody", the way he did against JMMarquez...Murad is actually risking Pac's future showdown with JMM and MAB...it'll surely not gonna be as attractive anymore if Pac drops this one. JMM just had a boring defense against Salido, MAB just won over a washed-up Ayala...now this! man, this is not good for the featherweight division. Team Pac could've just opted for a "safe" tune-up with another decent alphabet soup contender like a Juarez or Raheem. :(

I just don't feel good about this "tune-up" for Pacquiao bro. The RISK in fighting this Jr. Welterweight fighter is there, looming like a shadow. The danger is when Pac underestimates this unknown guy - a "nobody", the way he did against JMMarquez...Murad is actually risking Pac's future showdown with JMM and MAB...it'll surely not gonna be as attractive anymore if Pac drops this one. JMM just had a boring defense against Salido, MAB just won over a washed-up Ayala...now this! man, this is not good for the featherweight division. Team Pac could've just opted for a "safe" tune-up with another decent alphabet soup contender like a Juarez or Raheem. :(I share all those points Pal. Pac is being made to risk too much for so little marbles. It tells you much of the kind of promoter and management team Pac has.
The weight and height of St. Clair also bother me. Pac has been known not to fight well against shorter foes. I haven't seen St. Clair at all but if his height taken alongside his customary figthing weight is any indication he must be built like a Sherman tank.
Moreover, a guy as short as that having gone the full route vs. the much taller Chico, et al cannot be less than a pesky rusher; he needed to be to get in range. As Chico is a mean puncher, St. Clair's having finished the bout on his feet tells volumes of what he can take going in! The up side is that, even if St. Clair gets inside, he doesn't appear to have much of a punch. Nonetheless, Manny should be warry; there's such a thing as a lucky punch! If anything, this could be also seen as a chance for Manny to develop a good jab, hone his side-to-side movement and counter-punching skills. :) He should not look for a KO (which he is prone to do whenever he fights before the hometown crowd); but should not dismiss that idea altogether. :)
Wonder what Roach is saying about the match? He'd be at Manny's corner in Manila,wouldn't he be?

I shaere all those points Pal. Pac is being made to risk too much for so little marbles. The weight and height of St. Clair also bothers me. Pac has been known not to fight well against shorter foes. I haven't seen St. Clair at all but if his height taken alongside his customary figthing weight is any indication he must be built like a Sherman tank. Moreover, a guy as short as that having gone the full route vs. the much taller Chico, et al cannot be less than a pesky rusher; he needed to be to get in range. As Chico is a mean puncher, St. Clair's having finished the bout on his feet tells volumes of what he can take going in! The up side is that, even if St. Clair gets inside, he doesn't appear to have much of a punch. Nonetheless, Manny should be warry; there's such a thing as a lucky punch! If anything, this could be also seen as a chance for Manny to develop a good jab, hone his side-to-side movement and counter-punching skills. :) He should not look for a KO (which he is prone to do whenever he fights before the hometown crowd); but should not dismiss that idea altogether. :) Wonder what Roach is saying about the match? He'd be at Manny's corner in Manila,wouldn't he be?


Exactly. This should be his chance to develop his right jab & uppercuts, hone back his lost crushing right hook and yeah counterpunching :)

In Pac's defense of the IBF belt against Rakkiatgym, Freddie's brother Pepper was in the PI instead. I hope, FR could come this time.

Exactly. This should be his chance to develop his right jab & uppercuts, hone back his lost crushing right hook and yeah counterpunching :)

In Pac's defense of the IBF belt against Rakkiatgym, Freddie's brother Pepper was in the PI instead. I hope, FR could come this time.Me too re FR! :)

I actually like this tune up. I mean if he is hungry for EM, then there is no reason why he shouldn't fight St. Clair. The latter has a good chin and would be a good test for Manny's power. With the inactivity, he'll need the rounds. If he would have fought a patsy opponent like Salido, he would have KOD him in 2 rounds and that don't help his case of tuning up. Do you guys know what weight the match will be in?

Larios does not stand a chance against Pacquiao.

I actually like this tune up. I mean if he is hungry for EM, then there is no reason why he shouldn't fight St. Clair. The latter has a good chin and would be a good test for Manny's power. With the inactivity, he'll need the rounds. If he would have fought a patsy opponent like Salido, he would have KOD him in 2 rounds and that don't help his case of tuning up. Do you guys know what weight the match will be in?

He badly needs the rounds indeed to sharpen up again. I can agree with you there mooks. If Pac is preparing for JMMarquez next, I think he should fight St. Claire on his own terms at 126. Who do you think will be lined up for Pac next year? JMM & MAB are strong possiblities given the excitement and anticipation a rematch brings, but do you honestly think Morales will fight Pac? How 'bout Harrison? Your thoughts.

Larios does not stand a chance against Pacquiao.

I agree bro. Larios' aggressive come forward fighting style fits perfectly to Pac's like a glove. Chololo just loves to slug it out and throw volumes of punches, but I don't see enough power that will really gain Pac's respect. Pac's superior hand speed and firepower will be just too much for him to handle. I would've preferred Larios rather than St. Claire. It would sell, but definitely not in the MAB-EM 3 undercard as originally proposed. Being double-crossed is enough insult already. OK St. Claire let's get it on. :D

Manny fighting St, claire at 126 or 130 will be beneficial for him, the question is . . . is Manny prepared to fight at 130 at this time when his preparation has been delayed and affected by turns of events? Ony Roach can give us an objective answer to that question.

As to Manny's next opponent it's most likely that it's going to be JMM and the winner of that Morales/MAB fight coming in as a second priority. The fight with Harrison and Chi will most likely be shelve for the moment.

But for me personally I'd like to make it clear that I want Manny to fight Chi or Harrison first and keep JMM waiting for his turn. The way I'm looking at it, JMM after his uneventful and non-exciting fight with Salido would like to get back into the big picture by fighting Many again . . . and I say no way . . . let JMM beg for his chance . . . it's payback time. Manny doesn't need JMM's belt if he is going to be succesful against Chi or Harrison. One legitimate belt will be enough to suplement his pound for pound Featherweight KING title.

Manny fighting St, claire at 126 or 130 will be beneficial for him, the question is . . . is Manny prepared to fight at 130 at this time when his preparation has been delayed and affected by turns of events? Ony Roach can give us an objective answer to that question.

As to Manny's next opponent it's most likely that it's going to be JMM and the winner of that Morales/MAB fight coming in as a second priority. The fight with Harrison and Chi will most likely be shelve for the moment.

But for me personally I'd like to make it clear that I want Manny to fight Chi or Harrison first and keep JMM waiting for his turn. The way I'm looking at it, JMM after his uneventful and non-exciting fight with Salido would like to get back into the big picture by fighting Many again . . . and I say no way . . . let JMM beg for his chance . . . it's payback time. Manny doesn't need JMM's belt if he is going to be succesful against Chi or Harrison. One legitimate belt will be enough to suplement his pound for pound Featherweight KING title.


Battles are being lost on the table for TeamPac. Murad blew it numerous times already and Arum got the better of him. He's on the verge of signing up Barrera, Arum dangled Morales (while enticing MAB), well Murad took the bait and dropped MAB...and Arum got the EM-MAB 3 goin. Excellent move for his boy Morales! Nazario was approached by Harrison's people, got an offer but was more worried that Murad will be left out of the picture than Pacquiao not having a decent opponent! Disregarded this option and now we have St Clarice in the picture. These people behind Pacquiao is ruining him. Incompetent and greedy SOB's!!!

Yeah, a fight with the Real McCoy would've been the best option considering the circumstances. Pac-Chi won't sell, definitely...add to the fact that Chi is demanding a ridiculous purse not less than US$1M! or "...not a cent less than Pacquiao!"

OK St. Clarice let's get it goin! hahahahaha LOL :)

He badly needs the rounds indeed to sharpen up again. I can agree with you there mooks. If Pac is preparing for JMMarquez next, I think he should fight St. Claire on his own terms at 126. Who do you think will be lined up for Pac next year? JMM & MAB are strong possiblities given the excitement and anticipation a rematch brings, but do you honestly think Morales will fight Pac? How 'bout Harrison? Your thoughts.

To be honest with you, I don't think that we would even fight JMM in Feb. Say he gets past this fight with the Aussie, he'd probably go for a fight against the winner of MAB/Morales whoever wins. I say it'll be Morales. He said he wanted to fight Pac b4 moving up and I think he would. (Although...people DO tend to change their minds)
Even if MAB wins, then he'd be itching to fight Pac with his new found confidence and will get a chance to avenge his loss. If he gets passed Morales then who knows, why not campaign in the superfeatherweight if you dethrone the king (keeping in mind that Marquez will be running faster than ever before :D )? If he doesn't get past Morales, he'll probably have to fight MAB again before getting a second crack at JMM. I think Harrison's going to fight Marquez before Pac gets a chance to put him back on his ass. :cool:

To be honest with you, I don't think that we would even fight JMM in Feb. Say he gets past this fight with the Aussie, he'd probably go for a fight against the winner of MAB/Morales whoever wins. I say it'll be Morales. He said he wanted to fight Pac b4 moving up and I think he would. (Although...people DO tend to change their minds)
Even if MAB wins, then he'd be itching to fight Pac with his new found confidence and will get a chance to avenge his loss. If he gets passed Morales then who knows, why not campaign in the superfeatherweight if you dethrone the king (keeping in mind that Marquez will be running faster than ever before :D )? If he doesn't get past Morales, he'll probably have to fight MAB again before getting a second crack at JMM. I think Harrison's going to fight Marquez before Pac gets a chance to put him back on his ass. :cool:


If indeed Morales is keen on his words that he would fight Manny before he goes up in weight then I don't see any reason why Team PAC would refuse that, then that should be Manny's first fight for '05 if indeed he wins against MAB. Choosing between JMM and Morales is not hard, I'd go for the later because he is a p4p fighter. As I said let JMM beg fot his rematch. . . let him fight Salido again, Juarez or who ever . . . maybe by then JMM already realizes how stupid he and his team has been in comparing his ABC titles from Pacquiao's P4P title.

Pacquaio-Larios. I hope it will be fought at 122, then it would be a bit more interesting. At 122 I say Pacquaio KO8.

At 126 Pacquaio KO3.

all is uncertain on who is pacman fighting next, but st. clair i think won't do any good for pacquiao except (just) to avoid getting rusty, that's just it! this unknown boxer is not of pacquiao's caliber. considering the status that pacquiao is now enjoying, this is not a good fight for him! larios is much a better fight! if pacquiao is fighting st. clair, arum and the rest who belittles pacquiao will have the last laugh because they have succeeded in dumping pacquiao!

I guess it looks like this fight won't happen, either.

If indeed Morales is keen on his words that he would fight Manny before he goes up in weight then I don't see any reason why Team PAC would refuse that, then that should be Manny's first fight for '05 if indeed he wins against MAB. Choosing between JMM and Morales is not hard, I'd go for the later because he is a p4p fighter. As I said let JMM beg fot his rematch. . . let him fight Salido again, Juarez or who ever . . . maybe by then JMM already realizes how stupid he and his team has been in comparing his ABC titles from Pacquiao's P4P title.

Yeah, it's true that he really just needs one belt. If Pac beats Morales and becomes WBC superfeatherweight champ, Marquez' belts are useless unless he wants to be title holder in 4 different divisions. That would be something. But if Pac beats Morales, superstardom awaits him and Marquez, like you said, can only beg for that rematch that he shouldn't have avoided in the first place.

Pacquaio-Larios. I hope it will be fought at 122, then it would be a bit more interesting. At 122 I say Pacquaio KO8.

At 126 Pacquaio KO3.



Bro that fight most likely won't happen soon . . . it has been confirmed that Manny will fighting in MANILA with St Claire as his opponent . . . JMM and Morales have openly expressed their intentions to mixed it up with Manny next year so Larrios moves out of the picture temporarily.

And If that fight should happen it's going to be at 126 believe me. Pacquiao doesn't have anything to gain in punishing his body trying to make the 122 weight limit. There's just not enough motivation,incentive or reason for him to do that, remember that he is the No 1 featherweight in the p4p list.

all is uncertain on who is pacman fighting next, but st. clair i think won't do any good for pacquiao except (just) to avoid getting rusty, that's just it! this unknown boxer is not of pacquiao's caliber. considering the status that pacquiao is now enjoying, this is not a good fight for him! larios is much a better fight! if pacquiao is fighting st. clair, arum and the rest who belittles pacquiao will have the last laugh because they have succeeded in dumping pacquiao!


there should be another way to avoid ring rust. however, if this fight with st. clair will push through, i hope pacman is getting the right pay. the fight will be made in the philippines, it doesn't sound pacquiao will get a good deal. has anybody heard the case of luisito espinosa?

its seems that getting st. clair to fight pacman this year was the best thing that murad can come up with. harrison didn't work out and so did larios. chi was a no brainer since the guy was asking for the moon and as we all know jmm, mab and morales chose the best options for them, that is -- no pacman, at least this year.

i think murad has to go. manny has outgrown him and what his outfit can offer. what manny needs is not a miracle worker but one that works hard and shows results. murad is all about talking and all bull****s. he doesn't even want to shell out any money out of his own pocket to do his job.

i hope manny doesn't make another mistake by re-signing murad again whose contract is up to expire nex year. i wouldn't mind if golden boy ot top rank gets his contract as long as they can get manny the best deals out there.

now, manny's fighting in the philippines against the ausie is not bad at all if you think about it. the guy is a wbo intercontinental champion with a respectable ring record. i read from other posts that he hasn't been knocked out and has fought boxers in higher divisions. if he is for real (a tough fighter that is), then he is not some patsy that murad just happened to pick up from the streets.

do you guys know what weight this guy and manny are fighting at? i don't think manny should fight beyond 126 for now. One hundred thirty sounds reasonable but beyond that is pushing him to the limit, even to say that this fight is a tune-up for erik morales. i think it's a risky proposition. i don't want manny to derail his ascent to being an hbo-ppv marquee fighter because of a lousy loss to a virtually unknown fighter at the wrong weight division. this is the last thing that manny needs at this point in his career.

regarding the espinosa case, i don't think it's going to happen to manny because he has a good backing of high profile individuals in the philippines including president arroyo. i don't think there is a small-time promoter that would dare to mess with the present darling of the philippine sports, or else he'll go straight to calaboose.

its seems that getting st. clair to fight pacman this year was the best thing that murad can come up with. harrison didn't work out and so was larios. chi was a no brainer since the guy was asking for the moon and as we all know jmm, mab and morales chose the best options for them, that is -- no pacman, at least this year.

i think murad has to go. manny has outgrown him and what his outfit can offer. what manny needs is not a miracle worker but one that works hard and shows results. murad is all about talking and all bull****s. he doesn't even want to shell out any money out of his own pocket to do his job.

i hope manny doesn't make another mistake by re-signing murad again whose contract is up to expire nex year. i wouldn't mind if golden boy ot top rank gets his contract as long as they can get manny the best deals out there.

now, manny's fighting in the philippines against the ausie is not bad at all if you think about it. the guy is a wbo intercontinental champion with a respectable ring record. i read from other posts that he hasn't been knocked out and has fought boxers in higher divisions. if he is for real (a tough fighter that is), then he is not some patsy that murad just happened to pick up from the streets.

do you guys know what weight this guy and manny are fighting at? i don't think manny should fight beyond 126 for now. One hundred thirty sounds reasonable but beyond that is pushing him to the limit, even to say that this fight is a tune-up for erik morales. i think it's a risky proposition. i don't want manny to derail his ascent to being an hbo-ppv marquee fighter because of a lousy loss to a virtually unknown fighter at the wrong weight division. this is the last thing that manny needs at this point in his career.

regarding the espinosa case, i don't think it's going to happen to manny because he has a good backing of high profile individuals in the philippines including president arroyo. i don't think there is a small-time promoter that would dare to mess with the present darling of the philippine sports, or else he'll go straight to calaboose.

St claire is currently holding a WBO INTERIM Title at 126 so it's most likely that the fight will be at that weight.;)

Bro that fight most likely won't happen soon . . . it has been confirmed that Manny will fighting in MANILA with St Claire as his opponent . . . JMM and Morales have openly expressed their intentions to mixed it up with Manny next year so Larrios moves out of the picture temporarily.

And If that fight should happen it's going to be at 126 believe me. Pacquiao doesn't have anything to gain in punishing his body trying to make the 122 weight limit. There's just not enough motivation,incentive or reason for him to do that, remember that he is the No 1 featherweight in the p4p list.

i wonder why murad didn't even get the st. clair camp to agree to stake their ward's championship belt. by fighting manny alone, one of the hottest fighters in the planet today is enough to bring this ausie under the limelight. in fact manny had a lot to put on the table and murad didn't even get something back for manny other than the match itself.
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Well, whatever happened to the title of this thread coz Murad has just lined up a Gary St. Clair for the PacMan. This virtually unknown fighter has been campaigning at Lightweight and jr. Welterweight classes, having been into the ring with Corrales, Vivian Harris and Leonard Dorrin. He's never been KO'd, even Chicco's power wasn't enough to stop him. Is this all the "miracle" that Murad can come up with? :confused:

Pac should get Arum next year, he's a crook maybe...but a wily crook with good connections that makes Murad look like an amateur! :mad:


Murad Muhammad always reminded me of the sleazoid you see at the back of a pool hall using a handkerchief to mop the sweat oozing from his big fat head.

I think his wife still works as a high-ranking official for the IBF. A bit of 'conflict of interest' there?? Nah.....

Willie jorrin will destroy larios, pacman, barrera and morales!!~

Greatest.....

Um, whatever plane of existance you live on must not be up to date on current events......

Larios almost decapitated Willie Jorrin when he KO'd him with a single right uppercut in round 1 of their rematch.

Greatest.....

Um, whatever plane of existance you live on must not be up to date on current events......

Larios almost decapitated Willie Jorrin when he KO'd him with a single right uppercut in round 1 of their rematch.


w/e man we'll see
i know him and he's trainin hard

w/e man we'll see
i know him and he's trainin hardDestroy is a much too strong word to use in describing what Jorin can do to the likes of Pacman, Morales and Larios.

Immediately prior to taking on MBrodie for the empty WBC SuperBantam throne, Jorrin fought the winless Juan Luis Torres (0-11-0!) at the Cache Creek Casino in Brook, CA, then went up against Marcos Badillo, who had more losses than wins (13-14-0) at Feather Falls Casino, Oroville, CA.

In the Brodie (then, 29-0) meeting in Manchester, Jorin put Brodie down in the 10th then eked out a Majority Decision win.

His first defense, which was in Tokyo agaist Osamu (NOT Ossama, as in THAT Ossama) Sato, was a Majority Draw, although Sato went down twice in the 3rd.

He lost the crown on his second defense on Nov. 1,2002, when Larios, whom he had earlier defeated, spooked him, it being Haloween season. He went down in the first canto. The fight lasted all of 1 minute and 28 seconds. The second anniversary of that defeat is just around the corner.

In his first fight after the Larios debacle, he won by a resounding TKO2 in April 2003 at Rosemont, IL. But it was against a John Hoffman who was 10-8 and had lost 3 of his last 6 fights. The meeting was at Lightweight. Jorin was registered as officially weighing 134 lbs and change.

In his last fight, Jorin lost-- the second of only 2 losses in his record. It was at the Celebrity Theatre in Phoenix on Nov. 6, last year. Jorin and his opponent officially tipped the scale at 129 lbs. The decision was Majority Draw. His opponent? a certain Christian Fabella who was 8-4-3 and was in no mood to show Christian charity that night. ;)

Jorin is digits over 5'5, 34 years old, fights off an orthodox stance and is ranked 144 among the world's lightweights. His record of 13 KO's out of 29 wins is not exactly something that could make a Pcquiao or a Morales tremble. Instead, Jorin's style, can make Morales' and Pacquiao's mouth water in eager anticipation.

I'm not saying that Jorin has no place in boxing. All I'm saying is that he does not belong in the same sentence as Pacman and Morales. Larios, yes. They have met twice. :D

i wonder why murad didn't even get the st. clair camp to agree to stake their ward's championship belt. by fighting manny alone, one of the hottest fighters in the planet today is enough to bring this ausie under the limelight. in fact manny had a lot to put on the table and murad didn't even get something back for manny other than the match itself.
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That only shows MURADs incompetence. Since there will be no belt involved in that fight why then did he not settle for a PAC/JUAREZ fight instead. All Manny needs is a decent fight while waiting for his anticipated bout with MOrales, MAB and JMM.
Have you seen the latest? STUPID MUrad was targeting CASAMAYOR, LUIS CASTILLO or Chico Coralles as Manny's supposed to be next opponent after that MAB and Moralles negotiations bog down.

That's just an OUTRAGEOUS STUPIDITY . . . is he trying to feed Pacquiao to the lions? I mean for what? Those fighters are campaigning two division above Manny . . . so what's in it?

Murad's contract is expiring this December and believe me it's most likely that he is going to loose his job.

That only shows MURADs incompetence. Since there will be no belt involved in that fight why then did he not settle for a PAC/JUAREZ fight instead. All Manny needs is a decent fight while waiting for his anticipated bout with MOrales, MAB and JMM.

Have you seen the latest? STUPID MUrad was targeting CASAMAYOR, LUIS CASTILLO or Chico Coralles as Manny's supposed to be next opponent after that MAB and Moralles negotiations bog down.

That's just an OUTRAGEOUS STUPIDITY . . . is he trying to feed Pacquiao to the lions? I mean for what? Those fighters are campaigning two division above Manny . . . so what's in it?

Murad's contract is expiring this December and believe me it's most likely that he is going to loose his job.


Yeah, i read that too bro. Murad is lining up 135-lb lightweights for Pacquiao, and not just lightweights BUT P4P champions Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo!

The question now should be : Who's the best promoter for Pacquiao now that Murad's contract is about to expire? Apparently, Pacquiao jetted back to Manila in disgust with these propositions!

Golden Boy Promotions?
Top Rank?
Don King?

Your thoughts.

Yeah, i read that too bro. Murad is lining up 135-lb lightweights for Pacquiao, and not just lightweights BUT P4P champions Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo!

The question now should be : Who's the best promoter for Pacquiao now that Murad's contract is about to expire? Apparently, Pacquiao jetted back to Manila in disgust with these propositions!

Golden Boy Promotions?
Top Rank?
Don King?

Your thoughts.


Since this will be a situation werein we have to choose between evils then we might as well go to DON KING . . . after the conivance made by GBP and TP that left Manny out in the cold . . . it just doesn't make anysense for Manny to sign up with them. First of all almost all the good contenders in the lower division where Manny belong are already being managed by the two promoters so sooner or later there will be conflict of interest. Blood is always thicker than water so it's not safe for Manny to sign up with an outfit which is owned by a Mexican and an outfir promoting Meicans. 2ndly I want to see Arum's Manipulations go up against Don King, who is the original crook.

Bottom line is Manny's career will in a safer hands, and it will even up things when it comes to connections and influence.

Destroy is a much too strong word to use in describing what Jorin can do to the likes of Pacman, Morales and Larios.

Immediately prior to taking on MBrodie for the empty WBC SuperBantam throne, Jorrin fought the winless Juan Luis Torres (0-11-0!) at the Cache Creek Casino in Brook, CA, then went up against Marcos Badillo, who had more losses than wins (13-14-0) at Feather Falls Casino, Oroville, CA.

In the Brodie (then, 29-0) meeting in Manchester, Jorin put Brodie down in the 10th then eked out a Majority Decision win.

His first defense, which was in Tokyo agaist Osamu (NOT Ossama, as in THAT Ossama) Sato, was a Majority Draw, although Sato went down twice in the 3rd.

He lost the crown on his second defense on Nov. 1,2002, when Larios, whom he had earlier defeated, spooked him, it being Haloween season. He went down in the first canto. The fight lasted all of 1 minute and 28 seconds. The second anniversary of that defeat is just around the corner.

In his first fight after the Larios debacle, he won by a resounding TKO2 in April 2003 at Rosemont, IL. But it was against a John Hoffman who was 10-8 and had lost 3 of his last 6 fights. The meeting was at Lightweight. Jorin was registered as officially weighing 134 lbs and change.

In his last fight, Jorin lost-- the second of only 2 losses in his record. It was at the Celebrity Theatre in Phoenix on Nov. 6, last year. Jorin and his opponent officially tipped the scale at 129 lbs. The decision was Majority Draw. His opponent? a certain Christian Fabella who was 8-4-3 and was in no mood to show Christian charity that night. ;)

Jorin is digits over 5'5, 34 years old, fights off an orthodox stance and is ranked 144 among the world's lightweights. His record of 13 KO's out of 29 wins is not exactly something that could make a Pcquiao or a Morales tremble. Instead, Jorin's style, can make Morales' and Pacquiao's mouth water in eager anticipation.

I'm not saying that Jorin has no place in boxing. All I'm saying is that he does not belong in the same sentence as Pacman and Morales. Larios, yes. They have met twice. :D



Just wait n see:)

Just wait n see:)ok :) I've eaten crow before, so... ;) :)

this came out of left field......