McClaren should get rid of that cheating greasy spick Alonso. Not only has he lied to the team, he has become increasingly pissed of with Hamilton. Just because this rookie has come in and shown him how it should be done, first he deliberately holds him up in the pit lane a few weeks ago, now the dirty cunt tries to force him off the track on the 1st corner this weekend. He is a spoilt little twat who thinks that Hamilton and the rest of the team should dance to his tune. Well I say **** OFF ya greasy spick. Get him out and get Jenson Button who is just as good as Alonso, We will then have a british car and two british drivers. What a great combination that'll be.

Sorry, But button and alonso are not even in the same league mate, Alonso is bastard and i dont like him, but nevertheless, he is the best in forumula one right now, and if anyone wants to argue that with me, thats fine by me,

Seriously, Mclaren needs alonso, im a ferrari fan and i'll admit the man is a dirty bastard, but his car control is sickening.

Alonso to Ferrari, Massa to McLaren. Watch this space.

Alonso to Ferrari, Massa to McLaren. Watch this space.

Would never happen in a million years,

Jean Todt said Alonso will never drive for ferrari as long as he is on charge, i read on an f1 forum this is because Alonso verbally agreed to join ferrari then changed his mind and joined renualt,and todt never trusted his word since, and after mclaren were proven to have recived stolen ferrari IP to make their cars go faster, alonso has no chance at ferrari,

The tifosi dont like him, Todt doesnt like him, Schumacher doesnt like him.

Where do you think alonso will end up then? BMW?

Where do you think alonso will end up then? BMW?

McLaren f1, which is what alonso's agent says.

Failing that, Renualt, or he could take a year out as he will be a 3 time world champ by the end of the season imo.

But in my opinion he will stay at Mclaren next year.

Sorry, But button and alonso are not even in the same league mate, Alonso is bastard and i dont like him, but nevertheless, he is the best in forumula one right now, and if anyone wants to argue that with me, thats fine by me,

Seriously, Mclaren needs alonso, im a ferrari fan and i'll admit the man is a dirty bastard, but his car control is sickening.

Jenson is right up there with Alonso. He showed he can compete with him a couple of years back when the Honda was a pretty good car, and the Renault was slightly better. If they were driving the same car then I don't think there would be a lot to choose between them. Jenson is underated and is very much like Alain Prost, a really smooth cool headed driver. McClaren don't need Alonso at all, no one driver is bigger than the team, and Alonso thinks he is bigger and better than everyone else. They should get shot of him and bring in Button.

Jenson is right up there with Alonso. He showed he can compete with him a couple of years back when the Honda was a pretty good car, and the Renault was slightly better. If they were driving the same car then I don't think there would be a lot to choose between them. Jenson is underated and is very much like Alain Prost, a really smooth cool headed driver. McClaren don't need Alonso at all, no one driver is bigger than the team, and Alonso thinks he is bigger and better than everyone else. They should get shot of him and bring in Button.

Not even close

The mark of driver is that he can push any car to the limit and keep it there without making mistakes, the driver who can get the maximum out of the car they have are the drivers who get spotted and go to the big teams,

Button never was and never will one of these drivers, the Honda he had last year was clearly capable of challenging for race wins with the right driver, button was never in the hunt, the only time he ever won, was when Alonso, Schumacher and others dropped out of the race.

He's poor off the start line, average in qualifying, Barrichello has out qualified him the same machinery, button isnt particulary fast either.

He talks **** about not having the car, when the truth is that when he had the car he couldnt do **** all with it,

Take a look at guys like Nico Rosberg and how he takes a williams up to p5 in qualifying, and you see why the whole of formula one is talking about him: He gets the maximum out of what he has got,

Button is just mediorce, he doesnt have the car control, skill, pace, or mentailty to live with a guy like Alonso,

And the other thing about Alonso which is why he wins world championships, is that he is consistent, he nearly always finishes races, and in races he knows he cannot win, simply gets the maximum result he can, these points add up,


Alonso and Raikonnen have won the same amount of races this year i think, but alonso is way ahead, why?

Because Alonso does the following

1) Normally Wins if he has the best car that weekend
2) Get the maximum out of the car
3) Nearly alyways finishes the races, taking the maximum points he can that weeks
4) Is able to go on the limit and keep the car on the road
5) Is mentally tough

In essence, he realises he cannot always win, but always gets the maximum out of the situation he is in, he drives to a high standard 365 days a year, when others lose their heads and crash, or make mistakes.

Sorry, But button and alonso are not even in the same league mate, Alonso is bastard and i dont like him, but nevertheless, he is the best in forumula one right now, and if anyone wants to argue that with me, thats fine by me,

Seriously, Mclaren needs alonso, im a ferrari fan and i'll admit the man is a dirty bastard, but his car control is sickening.

you cant say his driving skills arnt in the same leauge in f1 its all about the car.

you cant say his driving skills arnt in the same leauge in f1 its all about the car.

Nope, read above, its about the driver, and wether they can get the maximum out of the car, even if you put button in a mclaren, he still wouldnt win the title, the same way couthard couldnt beat Schumacher even though the mc laren was way ahead of ferrari at that time.

Nope, read above, its about the driver, and wether they can get the maximum out of the car, even if you put button in a mclaren, he still wouldnt win the title, the same way couthard couldnt beat Schumacher even though the mc laren was way ahead of ferrari at that time.

i beg to differ.

I'm with you on this msagrain, we'll have to agree to disagree with technical on this. Button has never had the car that Alonso has had. Even when Honda were at their best, Alonso was in a far superior car. They have always been behind the top teams, especially in the tactics department. There pit crews are behind as well. Barrichello has out qualified Button on a few occasions this season, but I think it took Button half a season to get used to driving on the bridgestone tyres, completely different to the michelins he has always driven on, where as Barichello new the bridgestone tyres inside out, which gave him an advantage. You say Alonso always gets the best out of the car, while others don't and make mistakes, well who's made the most mistakes this year at McClaren the 2 time world cheating champion Alonso or the rookie Hamilton, I'll think you'll find it's Alonso who is so great he is being beaten by a rookie, and forced into making mistakes and trying dirty tactics on his own teammate. Alonso isn't that great, Button is a lot better than you give him credit for. Listen to the people in F1, most say Button given the car and the complete package all around him could do a job and is world champion material. But we can argue forever over it, but I'll bet you all my points that if given the chance in an equal car he would compete with Alonso just as Hamilton is.

i cant stand alonso but he is probably one of the top 2-3 drivers in f1, if i was mcclaren i would get rid of him he is a bastard and has caused to many problems for mcclaren, i think in 2-3 years once hamilton has more experience at car setup he would beat alonso, and i think it shows that in the same equipment a very good rookie is still in front of alonso.

I'm with you on this msagrain, we'll have to agree to disagree with technical on this. Button has never had the car that Alonso has had. Even when Honda were at their best, Alonso was in a far superior car. They have always been behind the top teams, especially in the tactics department. There pit crews are behind as well. Barrichello has out qualified Button on a few occasions this season, but I think it took Button half a season to get used to driving on the bridgestone tyres, completely different to the michelins he has always driven on, where as Barichello new the bridgestone tyres inside out, which gave him an advantage. You say Alonso always gets the best out of the car, while others don't and make mistakes, well who's made the most mistakes this year at McClaren the 2 time world cheating champion Alonso or the rookie Hamilton, I'll think you'll find it's Alonso who is so great he is being beaten by a rookie, and forced into making mistakes and trying dirty tactics on his own teammate. Alonso isn't that great, Button is a lot better than you give him credit for. Listen to the people in F1, most say Button given the car and the complete package all around him could do a job and is world champion material. But we can argue forever over it, but I'll bet you all my points that if given the chance in an equal car he would compete with Alonso just as Hamilton is.

Dude, look at renualt after fernando alonso left, yes he had a great car, but the times were also down to alonso's ablility to run the car on the limit, That renualt was never FAR superior than the Honda because honda was a potential race winning car, but button showed he does not have the talent to get the maximum out of it.

When michael Schumacher had inferior machinery and went up against damon hill who had a far better car, Schumacher destroyed him, infact the only reason the 94 season went down to the wire was because Schumacher got banned a one or two races to due to ignoring a red flag, either hill would have got anhilated, in the 95 season with no race bans, schumacher destroyed him again, In inferior machinery.

Nico rosberg doesnt have the car, the mc laren, ferrari and bmw are all clearly infront of him, so how does he qualify in p5 and finish so well, because he extracts the maximum out of the car, as does Andrea Sutil, Robert Kubica and the other race drivers who will most likely dominate forumula one in the years to come.

About the tyres, that doesnt explain why Button has ALWAYS been a bottler, nearly everytime he qualified high, he bottled it on the start and fell back, he has one win in over 100 GP, that is not the form of a world champion and oncemore, in those 100 gp's he rarely ever was in contention, thats not the tyres, thats Jenson not being fast enough.

Button is also a dirty peice of ****, he betrayed his own Honda team and went and signed a contract with Williams behind their backs, when he thought williams wasnt a contender, the rat bought himself out of his own contract and went grovelling back to honda, which is good for him, Cos Nico Rosberg would have embarrassed button in equal machinery anyways.

Hamilton made more mistake than Alonso this year, the bridgestone tyres did affect alonso, but yet he still won GP's infact he has won more than Hamilton this season, hamilton is a good front runner, when he aint at the front, the problems begin, In germany he made nearly 5 mistakes in one race and didnt score a single point when he had the fastest package that weekend, he went off the road once or twice, picked a totally wrong strategy, then picked totally wrong tyres in bad weather. Again this week he wasnt at the front, and was nowehere near the pace this weekend, you can see the poor boy beggining to crack, alonso is consistently picking away at him taking his points away, and when it matters, Alonso will finish the job, because thats what he does. What Hamilton is, is naturally fast, also he is clearly a great talent, but in terms of stratedgy, knowledge on the car and setup, abilty to handle pressure, car control, alonso is better, and alonso proved that when he destroyed hamilton this week and last week.

Look at car control, hamilton drives on the edge and uses lots of the road and takes quite a bit of curb also, when he makes a mistake cos he might get a bit a oversteer when coming in or out of the corner, mainly because of wheelspin created by the way you put your foot down on the throttle.......it ends up in him going wide and missing the corner quote a few times, this weekend he went off and missed a corner too

Watch alonso drive, the amount of times this guy should be off the track is unreal, yet he nearly always finds a way to correct the car and save himself, in qualifying, he took a bump on the dirty side of the road spun and and some how made sure the car didnt go into the gravel, thats pure car control, he knew the car was out of control, but still got the maximum out of the situation, thats what alonso is all about.

Button is not and never will be champinship material, as Nigel Mansell said

"He had the chance when he had the car, he didnt make the most of it, he's finished now"

McLaren f1, which is what alonso's agent says.

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Still think that? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7003042.stm

I am very impressed with hamilton this year he is in his first year and you can expect him to make a few mistakes in setup and strategy. in a few years i think he will have the beating of alonso. hamilton's senna like style of driving with plenty of oversteer is very exciting to watch, plus hamilton is less of a twat than alonso, i hope hamilton wins the title i never trusted the Spanish after the armada.

Still think that? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7003042.stm

Yes i do, i still think he will be at mc laren next year, if not, most likely renualt,

To be honest, if he was a team player and wasnt two faced, id love to have him at ferrari, but we are gonna give Kimi his chance, he drove a blinder last weekend