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How many of you have ever been on a night out with some ***** Yank **** who reckons he can drink loads cos he went to "college", and weighs about 18 stone?
I have, a few times. 6-7 pints and they are done in, I love it, they are used to drinking haklfs, or ****ty Bud Light. Get em on the Stella and watch em fall like the *****, squeaky voiced ****s they truly are.
Stick to your "light beer", and using wank words like "Gee", and "Skill Set".
Cunts.
Tuggers1986 09-14-2007, 07:50 AM How many of you have ever been on a night out with some ***** Yank **** who reckons he can drink loads cos he went to "college", and weighs about 18 stone?
I have, a few times. 6-7 pints and they are done in, I love it, they are used to drinking haklfs, or ****ty Bud Light. Get em on the Stella and watch em fall like the *****, squeaky voiced ****s they truly are.
Stick to your "light beer", and using wank words like "Gee", and "Skill Set".
Cunts.
TONS of times. i used to go over to the states for 6 weeks every summer but they really cant drink alot. They all drink light beer. Us drunking more isn't something to be proud of though. It just proves we are a nation of binge drinking dick heads.
The first time i ever drank stella i was 16. I had 11 pints and i was absolutely ****in leatherd.
we are a nation of binge drinking dick heads.
**** you dude, it shows we are MEN!!:trink26:
heat27 09-14-2007, 08:03 AM Cunts.
lol looks like ur not a fan of americans
lol looks like ur not a fan of americans
Some are OK, it's the super cheesy ones I ****ing deplore, which is most of them unfortunately....
Tuggers1986 09-14-2007, 08:12 AM I generally like americans. Most of them are normally a million times friendlier than anybody we get over here
The Troll 09-14-2007, 08:17 AM How many of you have ever been on a night out with some ***** Yank **** who reckons he can drink loads cos he went to "college", and weighs about 18 stone?
I have, a few times. 6-7 pints and they are done in, I love it, they are used to drinking haklfs, or ****ty Bud Light. Get em on the Stella and watch em fall like the *****, squeaky voiced ****s they truly are.
Stick to your "light beer", and using wank words like "Gee", and "Skill Set".
Cunts.
What is with you guys and Stella, its not that strong, It's just average beer and it's not even Belgian Style, It's more Dutch style even though is made in Belgium, probably Flanders recipe.
Real Belgian beer will knock you off your bar stool, it's usually like 8% alchohol, tastes nothing stella, it has wheat in it almost always. If you can find an autentic abby ail, not one that was made up 20 years ago and old monastic brewery, Afligem Gold is the best beer I've had. Another thing Belgian beer is served in a round glass, not a tall pilsner glass that Stella is.
MickyHatton 09-14-2007, 08:19 AM What is with you guys and Stella, its not that strong, It's just average beer and it's not even Belgian Style, It's more Dutch style even though is made in Belgium, probably Flanders recipe.
Real Belgian beer will knock you off your bar stool, it's usually like 8% alchohol, tastes nothing stella, it has wheat in it almost always. If you can find an autentic abby ail, not one that was made up 20 years ago and old monastic brewery, Afligem Gold is the best beer I've had. Another thing Belgian beer is served in a round glass, not a tall pilsner glass that Stella is.
Cannot disagree with that.
The Troll 09-14-2007, 08:23 AM Actually I've had Bavarian beers that better than Afligem Gold, it's expensive and hard to find beer from small Bavarian brewers if you can though they're almost always good.
What is with you guys and Stella, its not that strong, It's just average beer and it's not even Belgian Style, It's more Dutch style even though is made in Belgium, probably Flanders recipe.
Real Belgian beer will knock you off your bar stool, it's usually like 8% alchohol, tastes nothing stella, it has wheat in it almost always. If you can find an autentic abby ail, not one that was made up 20 years ago and old monastic brewery, Afligem Gold is the best beer I've had. Another thing Belgian beer is served in a round glass, not a tall pilsner glass that Stella is.
I agree, but when you go on a 12 hour sesh, Stella is the perfect strength to allow bodily movement (just) at the end of the night. You couldn't knock back 15-20 pints of 8% and still be able to make it home...
The Troll 09-14-2007, 08:25 AM I agree, but when you go on a 12 hour sesh, Stella is the perfect strength to allow bodily movement (just) at the end of the night. You couldn't knock back 15-20 pints of 8% and still be able to make it home...
I can't go the bar and just drink beer. I start out with it then go to scotch, or tequilla shots/beer depending.
The Troll 09-14-2007, 08:30 AM I can't leave the bar cogniscent or with any money left either though half the time.
kayjay 09-14-2007, 08:32 AM How many of you have ever been on a night out with some ***** Yank **** who reckons he can drink loads cos he went to "college", and weighs about 18 stone?
I have, a few times. 6-7 pints and they are done in, I love it, they are used to drinking haklfs, or ****ty Bud Light. Get em on the Stella and watch em fall like the *****, squeaky voiced ****s they truly are.
Stick to your "light beer", and using wank words like "Gee", and "Skill Set".
Cunts.
I'd have you, boy
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 09:04 AM I'd have you, boy
Now come on now, Kayjay. You're renowed for your honesty, don't spoil that now.
msagrain 09-14-2007, 09:10 AM the yanks cant handel a drink the drink that ****y effort budwiser for **** sake.
Tuggers1986 09-14-2007, 09:17 AM the yanks cant handel a drink the drink that ****y effort budwiser for **** sake.
Budweiser tastes nice.
A man isn't measured on how well he handles alcohol.
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 09:18 AM the yanks cant handel a drink the drink that ****y effort budwiser for **** sake.
My point exactly. Yank beer is comparable to water in my book.
The only time Yanks can be nicknamed "lightweights" is in the drinking world.
msagrain 09-14-2007, 09:22 AM "’What,’ I exclaimed, ’in the name of all that’s holy, do we want one of those for?’ We’re European. We were sipping tea while the Americans were shooting Indians. We’ve had 2,000 years to get used to civilisation, not 20 minutes. We’re advanced, we’re slim, we’re at the cutting edge of evolution. We think that shooting bears is daft. Budweiser gives us a headache and we think George Bush is an arse. -Jeremy Clarkson
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 09:47 AM "’What,’ I exclaimed, ’in the name of all that’s holy, do we want one of those for?’ We’re European. We were sipping tea while the Americans were shooting Indians. We’ve had 2,000 years to get used to civilisation, not 20 minutes. We’re advanced, we’re slim, we’re at the cutting edge of evolution. We think that shooting bears is daft. Budweiser gives us a headache and we think George Bush is an arse. -Jeremy Clarkson
He is also a Limey God, just like Alan.
Jeremy Akbar!
-CANE- 09-14-2007, 10:13 AM It doesn't make you a man just cos you can drink more, it just makes the night a whole lot more ****in expensive.
3-4 Beers i'm on my ****in back completely arseholed, but I can drink nearly any cunt under the table when it comes to spirits.
I don't smoke weed anymore, but used to smoke it for like 17 years, no cunt could get near me on that stuff, easily do a ounce through a bong in one day, what a ****in waste of money that was.
That was my personality though, too easily addicted that's my ****ing problem. My new addiction is boxing scene, it costs less and I don't make a complete cunt of myself anymore.
The more you can drink, the more of a man you are.
Fact.
kayjay 09-14-2007, 11:57 AM Now come on now, Kayjay. You're renowed for your honesty, don't spoil that now.
ole kayjay is a light drinker these days. A few years ago, in the midst of my gin glory, I could put away some. But now a few beers will get me tipsy.
I only meant "I'd have" him in reference to my Exige-like left hook.
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 01:03 PM You guys would be surprised how much "Fat Yanks" can drink on any given Friday or Saturday night. And this business about light beer is not indicative of the whole beer drinking Fat Yank public...
In my younger days( early 20's) I could put down quite a few drinks but, now that I have a career I just can't handle the '2-3 day' debilitating hangovers that accompany these binges...:dead1:
As for the kind of beer I drink, I prefer full bodied 'craft' or premium beers opposed to the light ones. Now I drink more because I love the taste more than the affects....:beerchug:
msagrain 09-14-2007, 01:05 PM to be honest no one beat the uk in binge drinking. it the binge capital of the world. but the agen this is a bad thing.
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 01:35 PM How common is it for Britains to drink during their lunch hour? And how do you guys deal with the hangovers? That's what really keeps me from drinking alot...
mickeyb 09-14-2007, 02:04 PM Naps is a Sheffield living boy! Cause he thinks drinking is the ultimate test of a man!
On a saturday night, i get through about 9/10 pints... a couple of shots..stupid things like that.
Tomorrow i'm of to the St.Leger horse racing meet in Doncaster - i should get through 12 or 15 i reckon, all day sesh. I dare any Yank to come and shadow me!
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 03:15 PM Naps is a Sheffield living boy! Cause he thinks drinking is the ultimate test of a man!
On a saturday night, i get through about 9/10 pints... a couple of shots..stupid things like that.
Tomorrow i'm of to the St.Leger horse racing meet in Doncaster - i should get through 12 or 15 i reckon, all day sesh. I dare any Yank to come and shadow me!
Mickey, see my above posts...
.Mik. 09-14-2007, 04:09 PM When I was over in America with my ex girlfriend who was from there, we went to a beach party with some of her uni friends. They were all amazed when I was drinking a pint can of Guinness to each of their stubby cans of Bud light or Millers or whateer the **** it was. They were ****ing shameful, but I obtained legendary status.
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 04:41 PM When I was over in America with my ex girlfriend who was from there, we went to a beach party with some of her uni friends. They were all amazed when I was drinking a pint can of Guinness to each of their stubby cans of Bud light or Millers or whateer the **** it was. They were ****ing shameful, but I obtained legendary status.
I drink those Guinness cans too and oddly enough they taste better if you drink them right outa the can than if you pour it in a glass. And fyi, they’re not that much bigger than the 12 oz regular cans; I think they’re only 14 oz…
mickeyb 09-14-2007, 04:46 PM Perhaps its down to length of time drinking - i mean - most Yanks don't enter a bar until there 21??
I was down the working mens club with me grandad sneaking pints of snakebite when i was about 13. Guarenteed i'd be tanked up on one or two.
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 04:57 PM How common is it for Britains to drink during their lunch hour? And how do you guys deal with the hangovers? That's what really keeps me from drinking alot...
Enlighten me please, Limeys...
msagrain 09-14-2007, 04:59 PM Enlighten me please, Limeys...
because we can handel our drink.
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 04:59 PM I drink nothing but hard liquor and mixed drinks(minus the soda) I cant stand beer.Hell I cant stand liquor.haha.I just like the feel. I can probably out due most of you ****ers on here.I heard it takes awhile for alcohol to go threw muscle.Plus like I said I only drink the heavy ****.Hell I brought the mixing for a 4 horsemen shot.One of the most powerful shots out there.
I also take Bacardi 151 straight to the head from the bottle,and rarely get ****ed up.My version of ****ed up,is either you pass which Ive done once,or you get so blurry you go blind. Ive been blind only 3 times,and I dont get hangover headaches.haha
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 05:03 PM I drink nothing but hard liquor and mixed drinks(minus the soda) I cant stand beer.Hell I cant stand liquor.haha.I just like the feel. I can probably out due most of you ****ers on here.I heard it takes awhile for alcohol to go threw muscle.Plus like I said I only drink the heavy ****.Hell I brought the mixing for a 4 horsemen shot.One of the most powerful shots out there.
I also take Bacardi 151 straight to the head from the bottle,and rarely get ****ed up.My version of ****ed up,is either you pass which Ive done once,or you get so blurry you go blind. Ive been blind only 3 times,and I dont get hangover headaches.haha
Sounds like something to fall back on to; if the boxing thing doesn't work....:lol1:
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 05:04 PM Sounds like something to fall back on to; if the boxing thing doesn't work....:lol1:
Yeaah!!!!!!!! Party like a Rockstar! Minus the drugs and smoking.
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 05:05 PM I drink nothing but hard liquor and mixed drinks(minus the soda) I cant stand beer.Hell I cant stand liquor.haha.I just like the feel. I can probably out due most of you ****ers on here.I heard it takes awhile for alcohol to go threw muscle.Plus like I said I only drink the heavy ****.Hell I brought the mixing for a 4 horsemen shot.One of the most powerful shots out there.
I also take Bacardi 151 straight to the head from the bottle,and rarely get ****ed up.My version of ****ed up,is either you pass which Ive done once,or you get so blurry you go blind. Ive been blind only 3 times,and I dont get hangover headaches.haha
:nonono: no one out does the Stinger.
msagrain 09-14-2007, 05:08 PM I drink nothing but hard liquor and mixed drinks(minus the soda) I cant stand beer.Hell I cant stand liquor.haha.I just like the feel. I can probably out due most of you ****ers on here.I heard it takes awhile for alcohol to go threw muscle.Plus like I said I only drink the heavy ****.Hell I brought the mixing for a 4 horsemen shot.One of the most powerful shots out there.
I also take Bacardi 151 straight to the head from the bottle,and rarely get ****ed up.My version of ****ed up,is either you pass which Ive done once,or you get so blurry you go blind. Ive been blind only 3 times,and I dont get hangover headaches.haha
i recon i can out drink you on anything :)
i bet you yanks have never drunk cider i could drink 2/3 pints to your every one on that.
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 05:10 PM :nonono: no one out does the Stinger.
****,I'll get you 3 shots of 4 horsemen and you'll be thinking you're seeing Fairies.haha
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 05:10 PM C'mon you drunken Limeys, can't you comprehend my question or are the beer suds affecting your brains?...
How widespread is drinking on the lunch break and how much do you guys consume during 'worknights?'
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 05:17 PM i recon i can out drink you on anything :)
i bet you yanks have never drunk cider i could drink 2/3 pints to your every one on that.
****, Cider? Thats an Apple drink.haha. Down some 151 Bacardi with no mixing then you're big time. 75.5 percent Alcohol.
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 05:19 PM C'mon you drunken Limeys, can't you comprehend my question or are the beer suds affecting your brains?...
How widespread is drinking on the lunch break and how much do you guys consume during 'worknights?'
Consider it this way, a lot of those who work within walking distance of their homes will go to the pub during their lunch hour. And at evenings they may go out to drink or stay home and drink. But Britains mainly famous for it's all night drinking binge's at weekends.
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 05:20 PM Consider it this way, a lot of those who work within walking distance of their homes will go to the pub during their lunch hour. And at evenings they may go out to drink or stay home and drink. But Britains mainly famous for it's all night drinking binge's at weekends.
Thats alot of drunk girls walking around.hmmm
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 05:22 PM Thats alot of drunk girls walking around.hmmm
Indeed it is versey, but you'd be too busy looking at the undersides of pub tables to make the most of it. ;)
msagrain 09-14-2007, 05:23 PM ****, Cider? Thats an Apple drink.haha. Down some 151 Bacardi with no mixing then you're big time. 75.5 percent Alcohol.
trust me ciders a stong drink. n i lover that bercardi its loverly how many flaming dr, peppers can you handel?
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 05:26 PM trust me ciders a stong drint. n i lover that bercardi rum its loverly
I am offended by your dodgy spelling.
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 05:27 PM Indeed it is versey, but you'd be too busy looking at the undersides of pub tables to make the most of it. ;)
We got a British Pub like 15minutes away from where I live. I might pay me a visit soon!:banana:
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 05:27 PM trust me ciders a stong drink. n i lover that bercardi its loverly how many flaming dr, peppers can you handel?
Cider Cider?:lol1:
msagrain 09-14-2007, 05:28 PM I am offended by your dodgy spelling.
i corrected it :)
BoxingPromoter 09-14-2007, 05:32 PM Consider it this way, a lot of those who work within walking distance of their homes will go to the pub during their lunch hour. And at evenings they may go out to drink or stay home and drink. But Britains mainly famous for it's all night drinking binge's at weekends.
How do you guys cope with the hangovers? That’s the biggest problem for me…
msagrain 09-14-2007, 05:33 PM How do you guys cope with the hangovers? That’s the biggest problem for me…
a full english breakfast its a no brainer.
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 05:33 PM How do you guys cope with the hangovers? That’s the biggest problem for me…
Hangover remedies handed down by generations of limey piss boys. Although some of us get immune to the ****ers....
mickeyb 09-14-2007, 06:17 PM Boston Guy, my best tip for a hangover cure is to drink plenty of water before u hit the sack. Also... eat something salty before bed time.
Perhaps Southpaw Stingers meaty sex harpoon perhaps?
msagrain 09-14-2007, 06:18 PM Boston Guy, my best tip for a hangover cure is to drink plenty of water before u hit the sack. Also... eat something salty before bed time.
Perhaps Southpaw Stingers meaty sex harpoon perhaps?
some people say drink a pint of milk before you go bed.
mickeyb 09-14-2007, 06:21 PM Aye i can see why. The milk is quite fatty and thick. It'll line your stomach and stop it from being irritated (and stop you from needing to puke so much). Also diluting the ale in your belly also helps.
In the morning, you need something salty and plenty of fluids. Take some headache tablets.
or just say **** it, and go back down the boozer. Theres plenty of footy on a sunday to watch down the piss house.
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 06:25 PM Best to eat a big meal before you start drinking.
Never mix your drinks and try to have water between every pint to maxemise your drinking stamina. Milk before bed and plenty of fruit and fluids in the morning.
Or just be one of the cunts who stays up all night to avoid waking up with a hangover.
I just drink until the supply runs out......
mickeyb 09-14-2007, 06:27 PM yea.. everyone says have a water in between pints. .. but you'd get laughed out of the boozer.
Southpaw Stinger 09-14-2007, 06:41 PM yea.. everyone says have a water in between pints. .. but you'd get laughed out of the boozer.
meh, disguise it in a vodka bottle and they will worship yer more.
Versastyle 09-14-2007, 08:37 PM Like I said earlier.I dont even get hangovers.Its quite weird.I wonder why.
Smokin' 09-14-2007, 08:43 PM When I get completely smashed I come home, eat a bunch of **** (whatever I can get my hands on), some water and I take a gravol. That way I sleep like a little baby and wake up feeling decent.
But yo, last weekend for the UFC **** I invited some people over and had a mini BBQ in which I had a huge steak right before I started drinking, like literally 5 mins after I finished I started drinking...pussily one of my buddies brought over a Smirnoff Ice and I started drinking that bull****...and I felt drunk right after I finished that ****. And it usually takes me at least 6-8 beers to get a nice buzz going.
Anyone know why?
ArturoBalboa 09-15-2007, 08:00 AM When I get completely smashed I come home, eat a bunch of **** (whatever I can get my hands on), some water and I take a gravol. That way I sleep like a little baby and wake up feeling decent.
But yo, last weekend for the UFC **** I invited some people over and had a mini BBQ in which I had a huge steak right before I started drinking, like literally 5 mins after I finished I started drinking...pussily one of my buddies brought over a Smirnoff Ice and I started drinking that bull****...and I felt drunk right after I finished that ****. And it usually takes me at least 6-8 beers to get a nice buzz going.
Anyone know why?
The real question is why anyone would admit feeling pissed after 1 smirnoff ice.?
.Mik. 09-15-2007, 08:24 AM I drink those Guinness cans too and oddly enough they taste better if you drink them right outa the can than if you pour it in a glass. And fyi, they’re not that much bigger than the 12 oz regular cans; I think they’re only 14 oz…
Truth be told, the nicest cans of Guinness I ever had were in America. Dont know whether it was the slight watering down making them not so heavy or the mix of the Guinnes with the beautiful heat of the weather over there, but it was literally like drink heaven in a can.
With that said, I dont know what it is in oz weight, but the pint cans of Guinness give you a fairly solid pint. The stubbies are lucky to give you 3/4 of a pint and most of that is heady froth. So for every 4 pints they are drinking of an inferior and weaker drink, I'm drinking 5.
How do you guys cope with the hangovers? That’s the biggest problem for me…
I dont really have much of a problem with them anymore, every now and again I get one, which I appreciate really. Generally its only when I've mixed drinks a lot (which I tend to do, otherwise drinking Guinness for the whole night is like having 4 or 5 meals while you are out), particularly when the drink I have been mixing it with is a couple of bottles of wine.
Like I said earlier.I dont even get hangovers.Its quite weird.I wonder why.
Generally there are a few reasons for that. The biggest one and the one that I tend to buy into as an explanation for my lack of hangovers is due to the fact that you just drink so much and so often that you are used to them and they dont have so big an effect on you anymore.
Tuggers1986 09-15-2007, 08:30 AM Boston Guy, my best tip for a hangover cure is to drink plenty of water before u hit the sack. Also... eat something salty before bed time.
Perhaps Southpaw Stingers meaty sex harpoon perhaps?
I had 3 pints of water before bed last night and it didn't ****in work. I FEEL LIKE **** TODAY
BoxingPromoter 09-15-2007, 05:17 PM Best to eat a big meal before you start drinking.
Never mix your drinks and try to have water between every pint to maxemise your drinking stamina. Milk before bed and plenty of fruit and fluids in the morning.
Or just be one of the cunts who stays up all night to avoid waking up with a hangover.
I just drink until the supply runs out......
Good advice; the best cure for a hangover is to prevent one in the first place..
mickeyb 09-15-2007, 05:22 PM Mickeyb has just come back from an all day drinking session and was victorious in beating all oncomers.
He is now back in his home, drinking cans of Stones bitter and wondering what the **** happened to his weakling friends.
He has also come back 20 quid up.
msagrain 09-15-2007, 05:24 PM Mickeyb has just come back from an all day drinking session and was victorious in beating all oncomers.
He is now back in his home, drinking cans of Stones bitter and wondering what the **** happened to his weakling friends.
He has also come back 20 quid up.
dont post under the influence you will regret it :p
Southpaw Stinger 09-15-2007, 05:33 PM Mickeyb has just come back from an all day drinking session and was victorious in beating all oncomers.
He is now back in his home, drinking cans of Stones bitter and wondering what the **** happened to his weakling friends.
He has also come back 20 quid up.
hehe the orange cans of an end of the day drinking session. gotta love it.
mickeyb 09-15-2007, 05:52 PM http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/2c/Stones_Bitter.gif
you gotta love it
Versastyle 09-16-2007, 12:44 AM Truth be told, the nicest cans of Guinness I ever had were in America. Dont know whether it was the slight watering down making them not so heavy or the mix of the Guinnes with the beautiful heat of the weather over there, but it was literally like drink heaven in a can.
With that said, I dont know what it is in oz weight, but the pint cans of Guinness give you a fairly solid pint. The stubbies are lucky to give you 3/4 of a pint and most of that is heady froth. So for every 4 pints they are drinking of an inferior and weaker drink, I'm drinking 5.
I dont really have much of a problem with them anymore, every now and again I get one, which I appreciate really. Generally its only when I've mixed drinks a lot (which I tend to do, otherwise drinking Guinness for the whole night is like having 4 or 5 meals while you are out), particularly when the drink I have been mixing it with is a couple of bottles of wine.
Generally there are a few reasons for that. The biggest one and the one that I tend to buy into as an explanation for my lack of hangovers is due to the fact that you just drink so much and so often that you are used to them and they dont have so big an effect on you anymore.
I drink like 1 time every other week,but when I do its all out.We down big bottles of liquor,maybe thats why too.
-AZZA- 09-16-2007, 01:05 AM i could out drink every single 1 of you with ease
Versastyle 09-16-2007, 01:08 AM i could out drink every single 1 of you with ease
Shiiiiiiit.
mickeyb 09-16-2007, 03:37 AM I dont feel to bad this morning. Just drinking some Irn Bru and it seems to be doing the trick.
Im more sunburnt than anything. T'was a good day at the races. Lucarno won the St.Leger stakes and put regained everything i lost during hte day. Making me equal - then The Illies in the final race got me 25 quid up.
How common is it for Britains to drink during their lunch hour? And how do you guys deal with the hangovers? That's what really keeps me from drinking alot...
Well I work in the arse-end of the city, so the pubs round here serve a pint for about £1.60 ($3.20), a couple of those on a lunch break about 2-3 times a week, and I go to the pub say 5 nights a week.
Hangovers? Get a grip soft lad.
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