Foreman has been around for much longer than Holy, a lot of people remember him as "The monster that lost to Ali", but I hope for him that most people remember him for the oldest man to ever win a title. He's also got his grill, so the whole world might recognize his name.

Holyfield is probably best known for beating Mike Tyson, and being the guy that got his ear bitten. But he has some huge fights against Bowe, he's been on other shows like Dancing with the Stars. And even today, he still is a bigger attraction than any other Heavyweight when he's fighting.

I think Ali and Tyson are the most known for sure, though. So I wonder who's more known between these 2 legends.

Foreman=grills.

foreman in my opinion but if it wasn;t for the grills it would be close

Foreman by far, his grills kick the **** out of everything.
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Foreman has been around for much longer than Holy, a lot of people remember him as "The monster that lost to Ali", but I hope for him that most people remember him for the oldest man to ever win a title. He's also got his grill, so the whole world might recognize his name.

Holyfield is probably best known for beating Mike Tyson, and being the guy that got his ear bitten. But he has some huge fights against Bowe, he's been on other shows like Dancing with the Stars. And even today, he still is a bigger attraction than any other Heavyweight when he's fighting.

I think Ali and Tyson are the most known for sure, though. So I wonder who's more known between these 2 legends.
GOERGE FOREMAN > EVANDER HOLYFIELD

Foreman. He was already a big name from the 70s and his comeback in the 80s and 90s garnered a LOT of attention.

Poet

Foreman's made more moeny with his endorsements than anybody else according to the Guiness Book of World Records.

They both were the 3rd man of their times. Foreman to Ali and Frazier (and yes I know about him dominating Frazier, but Smokin' Joe is still a bigger name of THAT ERA) and Holyfield was behind Tyson and Lewis, though he is pretty close in name recognition as Lewis is. Both of their careers have spanned 3 decades and both have been in legendary fights against legendary fighters. Foreman takes it without the grills based on the lore of his comeback in a deeper time of the heavyweights and they way he laid Moorer out cold, Holyfield is fighting in a time of unknowns and has lost against inferior opposition. Plus an old Foreman gave a prime Holyfield a hell of a scrap. You include the grills and TV show, and Foreman obliterates Holyfield in this contest.

I should've known. That dang lean mean grillin' machine.

Definatly Foreman. Most of that is because of the grills though. I know guys who know George as the grill guy but a few of them never knew he was champ! Ignorant *******!

Foreman but Evander was the bigger PPV draw (drawn more buys than any other fighter in history, average buys only second to Tyson)..

Foreman for sure. He became the oldest champ and has a great fighting legacy, not to mention 9 figures in grill money.:fing02:

Bigger "name" obviously is Foreman, he is a pop culture icon and was one long, long ago. Hell, he was huge before he even returned to the ring in '87.

Holyfield was the more "exciting" fighter during the 1990's, however, but I don't think Foreman is given his due during that time.. From 1987-1991 (Holyfield-Foreman) he had a pretty good run of good fights and good wins. The Holyfield fight was pretty damn good at that, and won Round of the Year (I believe).

From '72-'74 he didn't have a bout last more than 2 rounds (facing the likes of Ken Norton, Smokin' Joe, Jose Roman, and Miguel Paez), he KO'd Moorer in '94 to really sum up his career, he got down to 235 against Qawi in '88, he helped boost Ali's career (even if it was due to the rope-a-dope which payed Ali no favors later on.. he also took some good knocks from Frazier in the Thrilla due to the RAD), and was apart of FotY 3 times between '73-'77. Pretty f'n impressive.

If he fights from 77-87 then his career is more complete inside the ring than Holyfield.. but, he didn't. Holyfield = bigger inside the ring. Foreman = bigger outside it (and everywhere else).

speaking of which.... does anyone have the Foreman-Qawi fight, I need to be reminded of Foreman in good shape.

speaking of which.... does anyone have the Foreman-Qawi fight, I need to be reminded of Foreman in good shape.I have it on VHS.

Foreman did look pretty good cosmetically at that weight (235). I don't know if Foreman thought that was too light because his weight starting going back up after that fight.

I thought at the time that he came into the Holyfield fight too heavy. In retrospect I don't think the extra weight affected his stamina much and probably gave him some more strength in the clinches.

Foreman said on ESPN Classic that he wasn't comfortable fighting at like 235.

I own a Foreman Grill. Damn it makes my meat nice and juicy. Best grill ive had in a long time. Back to topic, I think Foreman has a bigger name because he made a comeback in the 80's and that was a big thing. He also has his own business, and I see him in TV once in a while.

should have started a poll on how people own one of his grills. I have one. dont use it much though.

forman because of his grills lol

Foreman, he found a way to market himself as a figure whereas Holyfield never crossed over quite like Big George

Holyfield sort of crossed over.. But the KO to Riddick and that span of 3 fights in general (when he had "heart problems") really stopped his steam at that time.

forman because of his grills lol

It's lean, mean and like a machine!

I know lots of people who know George Foreman simply as "a guy who used to box and now makes grills," more than anything else. In fact, many of these people don't even know that he was one of the top ten greatest heavyweights of all time. People have a hard time believing he was a dominant fighter in the greatest era in heavyweight history. That's how little they know about him as a boxer. Even so, they still recognize him before Evander Holyfield.

They do not recognize Holyfield because of his connection to Tyson?

Foreman's one of the 10 greatest HW of all time (with an 8th. place ave.); while Holyfield is one of the 20 best HW of all time (with 15th. place ave.). Had they met in their prime, Foreman would destroy him the way he did Norton.

Except he wouldn't be on jelly legs like the scared as hell Norton. He would counter, and take many heavy blows without getting knocked out in 1 or 2 rounds. Holyfield was one of the strongest HWs ever, and like you can see in his fight with Foreman, he was the only fighter that Foreman couldn't push around easily like a Frazier, Lyle or Norton. Foreman wouldn't bully him, Evander would cover up, shoulder roll etc. He'd have a good chance.

Foreman also used the jab far less during his prime years than he did later on. He would have more trouble trying to set up his punches. Also, if a 240+ pound Foreman couldn't push Holyfield around, he may have more trouble when he's only 220 (which he was in his prime), while Evander was about the same. They would be similar size, with the skill and heart advantage vastly in Holyfield's favor. Every slow, looping bomb Foreman attempts to throw would be met with a roll, and a sharp counter-combination.

@Yaman: People remember Tyson biting someone's ear; they don't care who it was. Holyfield has gained a little popularity, however, with his return. It's a shocked popularity, as in; "What?! He's still boxing?!" but it's there.

I personally like Holyfield better than George Foreman, but Foreman is definitely the more recognized of the two.

Evander Holyfield is one of few guys I feel could beat a prime George Foreman; even if George is technically the greater champ on an all-time scale.

george foreman

Depends on how you value the name. Foreman knocked the hell out of prime greats and was linked to cheeseburgers.

Holyfield beat up one past prime great and was linked to steroids.

I'll let you boys do the your special brand of fuzzy math.

I see the village idiots aka Brassangel, LondonRingRules, and wmute are out in force tonight! Like all village idiots they need to be told to shut up and sit down!

Poet

Poet, please. I like you, but you don't have to pick fights with people you don't like in many threads. It ruins it.

Brassangel, you could be right about people not really caring about the guy that got bit by Tyson. But I don't think Evander is known for steroids too, that's something the fans really know about. Not really the average person.

One other thing. Is there another heavyweight more known than George Foreman? Other than Ali and Tyson of cource.

Except he wouldn't be on jelly legs like the scared as hell Norton. He would counter, and take many heavy blows without getting knocked out in 1 or 2 rounds. Holyfield was one of the strongest HWs ever, and like you can see in his fight with Foreman, he was the only fighter that Foreman couldn't push around easily like a Frazier, Lyle or Norton. Foreman wouldn't bully him, Evander would cover up, shoulder roll etc. He'd have a good chance.

frpm what isaw holyfield stayed away from the inside and dancing around because he was being over powered. everyone expected him to stay on the inside and slug like he did agaisnt tyson but he was smarter than that! evander was way to easy to get hit to fight foreman. dont get me wrong he could take a few punches and keep coming but after 3 or 4 rounds he would be out on his feet!

holyfield was not capable of hurting foreman unless he could take him to the later rounds when hes tired.

foreman, on a side note the foreman holyfield fight was not close

frpm what isaw holyfield stayed away from the inside and dancing around because he was being over powered. everyone expected him to stay on the inside and slug like he did agaisnt tyson but he was smarter than that! evander was way to easy to get hit to fight foreman. dont get me wrong he could take a few punches and keep coming but after 3 or 4 rounds he would be out on his feet!

holyfield was not capable of hurting foreman unless he could take him to the later rounds when hes tired.

True, Holyfield had a very bad habit of Slugging with very hard hitters, hooking with left hookers, trying to shrug off uppercuts etc. This is why I pick quite a few great punchers to beat him. But seeing him box so catious and beautifully against Foreman makes me think otherwise in this case. Now, he would keep turning Foreman and stay away popping the jab. His right cross and left hook were both fast, powerfull and accurate and he would take every oppurtunity to counter Foreman, as the great counter puncher he was. But this is a young Foreman we're talking about of cource, wich means Holyfield wouldn't be turning Foreman around and outsmarting him, look at how a prime Foreman cut off the ring. It's hard to imagine Holyfield doing the same thing when we look at it like this. He's have a better shot countering him. Another thing I should adress is Foreman's uppercuts. Now, Holyfield had great defence, but imo he was the most vulnerable to uppercuts. The way he was rolling with punches, and "slicked" on the inside was very effective for him. But prime Foreman had horrific uppercuts, and I think Holyfield would get knocked out if he took to many of those. Holyfield's inside game might not even be in the fight considering it's too dangerous against Foreman. I've seen most of their fights, and now that i've been thinking more about it, I think Foreman would have most of the advantages. Holyfield doesn't have the kind of power to knock Foreman out, he could not knock an old Foreman out with 20 or so punches in a row. It's not a diffirence in heart, believe me, a young Foreman after Ali had HEART. It's just that Ron Lyle really hit that hard, so people shouldn't get any ideas of Foreman's chin being better when he was older. After Lyle he would only get knocked down by counters, because he was still very wild and not as balanced, but not when he was old. That's why he never got knocked down in his comeback.
If i'd have to go prime for prime I think i'll go with Big George, because he was stronger, could not be dominated on the inside in this fight, had excelent ability to cut off the ring and had the power to hurt Evander any time.
Holyfield was great on his feet jabbing, countering shots although he would need to be extra carefull, but his other assets like chin, inside fighting, slugging would not be in effect against a prime Foreman. So I go for Foreman and his lean mean grillin' machine!

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Poet, please. I like you, but you don't have to pick fights with people you don't like in many threads. It ruins it.

I'm sorry if it bothers you Yaman, but those three make it a point to make snide comments at my posts. All I'm doing is replying in kind.

Poet

I'm sorry if it bothers you Yaman, but those three make it a point to make snide comments at my posts. All I'm doing is replying in kind.

Poet

Oh no doubt about that, you should if it's directed at you. But they weren't doing it in this thread. But I remember you have them on ignore.

Oh no doubt about that, you should if it's directed at you. But they weren't doing it in this thread. But I remember you have them on ignore.

People tell me when they're making snidely remarks and unfortunately ignore doesn't block when people use there posts as quotes. The thing is, the three chicken****s won't take it to the Thunderdome where it belongs: They chose to keep it in the boxing forums where it's inappropriate. They look down their noses at the "commoners" who post in other forums.

Poet