If any boxer that fights now says they could beat a boxer from the 50's - 80's they will be called out and made out to be a ****y idiot full of themselves.


Boxers with Talent .....Sad to say... is a breed almost faded from our present time altogether. :nonono: Theres only a few fighters with actual talent in this sport..and their not all Pro, and some aren't even fighters.

Champions used to be a household name... Go to the white house... get endorsements..Constant Tv Shows......They were respected and everyone knew them. They were actually Recognized as GREAT.

Boxing isn't the same as before... I admit that... But does anyone think Boxing could ever Regain its past RESPECT?


What would it take for this to be accomplished?


Sorry for those who will say i posted in the wrong section.

Hard workers that are dedicated to their craft,and have the gifted skills and a good mind set to go with it.

If any boxer that fights now says they could beat a boxer from the 50's - 80's they will be called out and made out to be a ****y idiot full of themselves.


Boxers with Talent .....Sad to say... is a breed almost faded from our present time altogether. :nonono: Theres only a few fighters with actual talent in this sport..and their not all Pro, and some aren't even fighters.

Champions used to be a household name... Go to the white house... get endorsements..Constant Tv Shows......They were respected and everyone knew them. They were actually Recognized as GREAT.

Boxing isn't the same as before... I admit that... But does anyone think Boxing could ever Regain its past RESPECT?


What would it take for this to be accomplished?


Sorry for those who will say i posted in the wrong section.


dont think so because people tend to alway compare this era with the past era, so when you become pro they will compare fighters i nthe 90s too dont worry :D

as for fighting i notice in the end of 70s as well as 80s and 90s there where breed of boxers who are hyprid in style they could fight in two style or more

in boxing generally you got pressure fighter, boxers and slugger which is like the paper, scissore and rock but expect in those time they could have dont two or three unlike today they concentrat one one mostly slugging or pressure fighters there is boxers but those two generally get advatage

don't think so because people tend to alway compare this era with the past era, so when you become pro they will compare fighters in the 90s too don't worry :D

as for fighting i notice in the end of 70s as well as 80s and 90s there where breed of boxers who are hybrid in style they could fight in two style or more

in boxing generally you got pressure fighter, boxers and slugger which is like the paper, scissor and rock but expect in those time they could have don't two or three unlike today they concentrate one one mostly slugging or pressure fighters there is boxers but those two generally get advantage

1st Part

Sad that you would think that....hopefully your wrong.

2nd Part

500 donated. That added to the game plan..thanx.

Hard workers that are dedicated to their craft,and have the gifted skills and a good mind set to go with it.

I would Expect You to be Positive because your one of those guys you just described..Its easy to see that and I'm not trying to boost you.

Its that second part That i don't know about with you.

Bah, those fighters who we hold in so much esteem currently (those from the past) when they were current had as much trauma, critcisms and doubts from the fans and media.

The top stars today will one day be held as untouchable and brilliant once they've retired and gotten old. Its just the way it is.

The past always seems rosey, because people only see the good when looking in hindsight - and that goes for everything. If your out and about and you see your ex-girlfriend, you think "aww, **** why did i dump her". Forgetting the fact she was a complete dick.

Nearly everything in the past is seen through rose tinted glasses.

As for boxers aren't as talented as they were in the 50's ..... thats not true at all. Techniques have developed and developed. Its not possible for fighters to get worse in style. I think fighters on average are better today than they were in the past. Development in sciences and the modernisation of the sport has only educated fighters for the better.

It's not boxing's fault. Boxing takes a set of skills and a level of dedication that are at odds with what our society holds precious, now. I liken it to the decline of the actual, trained-from-birth musician -- having been a professional, touring musician back in the day.

People don't want to work for anything anymore. It's about entitlement. This is the legacy of your generation. And part of mine. People want to be given things. EDIT: How many people do you know who work as hard at ANYTHING as you work at boxing?

People want to be entertained; they don't want to ooh and aah over the amount of work someone has put in. Hence the WWF and its musical counterpart, American Idol. EDIT: Along the same lines, the majority of people don't care how hard someone has worked to get good -- they care about the size of his house or how much money he's made, or how many points he's scored. There will never again be a Michael Jordan of boxing. There may never again be a Michael Jordan.

Athletes with hard-won skills are shunted aside and put into circus side shows like the X-Games, with cult followings. Even the NBA, with its emphasis on taller athletes and higher-scoring games, has gone entertainment. Boxing is still, unfortunately for its entertainment value, a gentleman's sport. I feel -- and I'm savagely hung over so maybe this is excessively negative -- that boxing in another 50 years will be what fencing is, now: an anachronism that holds to values of a lost era.

I fervently agree with Mickey B!
Saying that there are hardly any talented boxers today is just plain false. How can anyone even think of saying that? Boxers aren't stars anymore, true, but that has nothing to do with boxing, but the changes in the world around boxing. Todays starts are rappers, teen sluts who can sing a little, and genetic freaks like football players and 7" basketball players. It's a sign of the times; everything has to be outrageous, freakish, glamorous or whatever.
Look at the Contender, which was an attempt to bring boxing into the style of entertainment of this era. They had to add sound effects to the punches, edit the fights because no one can be bothered to watch a full fight (not even a 5 rounder...), make the ring smaller to force more action, put in clips of Stallone making his "Adriaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" face while yelling encouragement at a fighter (why would they even want him to take sides in the fights???), and add a bunch of reality TV drama around the fights, to make them watchable to the general American public.
This is not because there's anything wrong with boxing, it's just that entertainment has turned up to a faster pace. Look at a modern music video, they change shots every two seconds or so. In the early nineties, you could have 10-15 second clips in a video. Nowadays that would be boring.

It's not boxing's fault. Boxing takes a set of skills and a level of dedication that are at odds with what our society holds precious, now. I liken it to the decline of the actual, trained-from-birth musician -- having been a professional, touring musician back in the day.

People don't want to work for anything anymore. It's about entitlement. This is the legacy of your generation. And part of mine. People want to be given things. EDIT: How many people do you know who work as hard at ANYTHING as you work at boxing?

People want to be entertained; they don't want to ooh and aah over the amount of work someone has put in. Hence the WWF and its musical counterpart, American Idol. EDIT: Along the same lines, the majority of people don't care how hard someone has worked to get good -- they care about the size of his house or how much money he's made, or how many points he's scored. There will never again be a Michael Jordan of boxing. There may never again be a Michael Jordan.

Athletes with hard-won skills are shunted aside and put into circus side shows like the X-Games, with cult followings. Even the NBA, with its emphasis on taller athletes and higher-scoring games, has gone entertainment. Boxing is still, unfortunately for its entertainment value, a gentleman's sport. I feel -- and I'm savagely hung over so maybe this is excessively negative -- that boxing in another 50 years will be what fencing is, now: an anachronism that holds to values of a lost era.

I agree, I only hope the future won't be as bleak as you paint it. I'm counting on humanity to come back to it's senses! :ugh:

1st Part

Sad that you would think that....hopefully your wrong.

2nd Part

500 donated. That added to the game plan..thanx.

and old school fighter are more patient and use the jab to win by it or set-up other punchs more but now fighters are trying to have the record like undeafted and many KOs because that what the public want they dont want no fighter with skills winning a what said boring or consider him a bum because one loss he have.

see in the business of boxing great boxers are great jabbers the jab is essiental arsenal to use it you could win a fight with a jab only like Emily Griffen.

so work the jab more and more

Bah, those fighters who we hold in so much esteem currently (those from the past) when they were current had as much trauma, critcisms and doubts from the fans and media.

The top stars today will one day be held as untouchable and brilliant once they've retired and gotten old. Its just the way it is.

The past always seems rosey, because people only see the good when looking in hindsight - and that goes for everything. If your out and about and you see your ex-girlfriend, you think "aww, **** why did i dump her". Forgetting the fact she was a complete dick.

Nearly everything in the past is seen through rose tinted glasses.

As for boxers aren't as talented as they were in the 50's ..... thats not true at all. Techniques have developed and developed. Its not possible for fighters to get worse in style. I think fighters on average are better today than they were in the past. Development in sciences and the modernisation of the sport has only educated fighters for the better.

and you forgot something Mickyb better steriods :D

and you forgot something Mickyb better steriods :D


Nah.. not steroids...but i'm talking about better nutrition. Plus boxers ARE healthier nowadays. It always makes me laugh - when you look back into boxing history - the depression era boxers, many were nicknamed "the kid"... this is not because of there youth, but because of there small, malnourished frames.

Athletes are better, at every sport. Humans can only evolve better and better. This includes fighters.

Nah.. not steroids...but i'm talking about better nutrition. Plus boxers ARE healthier nowadays. It always makes me laugh - when you look back into boxing history - the depression era boxers, many were nicknamed "the kid"... this is not because of there youth, but because of there small, malnourished frames.

Athletes are better, at every sport. Humans can only evolve better and better. This includes fighters.

it ironic because you calling amercian a fat yank :D but you put the word athletes.

anyway I think many athletes use steroids but long time ago it was much more. Aaron Pryer people look like he was the p4p greastest lighweight but his actual win at the first fight of Alexis Arguello by drinking spanich drink to get muscle to KO Aleix was simply must put him in boxing hall of shame

Aaron Pryer people look like he was the p4p greastest lighweight but his actual win at the first fight of Alexis Arguello by drinking spanich drink to get muscle to KO Aleix was simply must put him in boxing hall of shame

** Stupid thread.

First off Pryor was a jr welt, one of the best ever. 2nd, his style KOed Arguello, not some stupid drink. Had you reviewed the bout, you'd understand Pryor didn't need anything extra the last round. He had plenty of rest.

As to these other doofuses thinking boxers are better today because athletes are better, they're dumber than folks were in yesteryear. Sure, Ben Hogan can't outdrive Tiger with his persimmon driver, but morons today think they are hot **** because they can buy a 200 mph cycle and do steroids like any other jack squat.

I would Expect You to be Positive because your one of those guys you just described..Its easy to see that and I'm not trying to boost you.

Its that second part That i don't know about with you.

My mind is set,even with a million obstacles.

The thread took a Crazy Spin ... I simply asked.

Boxing isn't the same as before... I admit that... But does anyone think Boxing could ever Regain its past RESPECT?


What would it take for this to be accomplished?


none the less everything everyone said was very intresting.. I was actually hurt by that fencing comment though.. Thats just plain horrible, And I hope your drinking habit influenced that statement and there wasn't any truth in it.

My mind is set,even with a million obstacles.

Hopefully... Cause it looks like boxing has few years left after the fights are made. and there is no apparent heir besides...

maybe one in Paul williams... and if mayweather continues to outpoint everyone.

Hopefully... Cause it looks like boxing has few years left after the fights are made. and there is no apparent heir besides...

maybe one in Paul williams... and if mayweather continues to outpoint everyone.

Im about to pay off some debts and then go part time at work with the help of my family,and train for most of the day. Im putting the bull**** aside.

Im about to pay off some debts and then go part time at work with the help of my family,and train for most of the day. Im putting the bull**** aside.

(Note: Read the full post before anyone trys hitting me wit the "Who do you think you are" bull****)


Plzz do so... because Boxing needs alot of things to be done... and Even though I'm very confident (maybe even overly), I can not put the sport back in its rightful place alone...

Needless to say thats if I Make it At all.. Though I feel Its inevitable.


I take the Job of worrying about the sport as if without me it will die....It looks ****y to some..But honestly i just feel as If I'm getting to the point where I feel responsible for the sport.And honestly though I feel that way I actually have no right as of now to even think like that.. Thats why I train so hard till I can hardly walk straight without hurting because It will be my position someday. ... Maybe others should think the same.

I been flying hard training... When I land Everyones gonna feel it. It'd be nice to know someone else thought the same and really meant it.

** Stupid thread.

First off Pryor was a jr welt, one of the best ever. 2nd, his style KOed Arguello, not some stupid drink. Had you reviewed the bout, you'd understand Pryor didn't need anything extra the last round. He had plenty of rest.

As to these other doofuses thinking boxers are better today because athletes are better, they're dumber than folks were in yesteryear. Sure, Ben Hogan can't outdrive Tiger with his persimmon driver, but morons today think they are hot **** because they can buy a 200 mph cycle and do steroids like any other jack squat.

well but did he or did he not take a drink, Aaron Pryor made history because now you only have to bring water. That is a fact. It was a close fight and each fighter was getting beaten up badly, what ever he took still remain questioned.

about today's athlete Pryor's time people used to get much more than today.

Steriods thing was more long time ago then now, there doping regulation are more aware of type of drugs used and some supplement that is banned in boxing.

(Note: Read the full post before anyone trys hitting me wit the "Who do you think you are" bull****)


Plzz do so... because Boxing needs alot of things to be done... and Even though I'm very confident (maybe even overly), I can not put the sport back in its rightful place alone...

Needless to say thats if I Make it At all.. Though I feel Its inevitable.


I take the Job of worrying about the sport as if without me it will die....It looks ****y to some..But honestly i just feel as If I'm getting to the point where I feel responsible for the sport.And honestly though I feel that way I actually have no right as of now to even think like that.. Thats why I train so hard till I can hardly walk straight without hurting because It will be my position someday. ... Maybe others should think the same.

I been flying hard training... When I land Everyones gonna feel it. It'd be nice to know someone else thought the same and really meant it.

no it okay, if you dont think you wanna be the best for serious comeptition that it is not use competiting. and boxing is a sport that someone could get hurt too.

do you work Data?

well but did he or did he not take a drink, Aaron Pryor made history because now you only have to bring water. That is a fact. It was a close fight and each fighter was getting beaten up badly, what ever he took still remain questioned.

about today's athlete Pryor's time people used to get much more than today.

Steriods thing was more long time ago then now, there doping regulation are more aware of type of drugs used and some supplement that is banned in boxing.



no it okay, if you dont think you wanna be the best for serious comeptition that it is not use competiting. and boxing is a sport that someone could get hurt too.

do you work Data?


Yes I work... always have alot on my plate.. thats Why im trying to be rich before I go pro so I can just devote life to helping the sport. It needs someone to Stand out..

Obviously the greater I am the better the guy that beats me (if their is such a person) will look.. and the higher we all elevate ourselves the beter for us all..

We must first make this the best generation of boxers to ever live. Time is short for us all.. They did it while they were young.

And they had GREAT heavyweights. We have a sad era of the sport at this point.. So the AMs must contain the GREATEST. at least 3-6 of them. Thats why I try to encourage everyone.

I dont think boxing will ever regain the respect it once had. one man changed the sport forever the likes of which we will probably never see again. The Greatest of All Times.

I dont think boxing will ever regain the respect it once had. one man changed the sport forever the likes of which we will probably never see again. The Greatest of All Times.

Respect? I think its always had the same amount of respect its always had. Explain to me whats different? In clear points?

Is it the boxers who've lost respect? Or is it the sport in general?

Respect? I think its always had the same amount of respect its always had. Explain to me whats different? In clear points?

Is it the boxers who've lost respect? Or is it the sport in general?

Hmm.. ok I'll take your point.. General public Interest... does that word it better.

The Public doesn't know who boxes.

If you ask someone from the general public to name 3 heavyweights they won't be able to even name the champion.

compared to the 80's when families used to go to the fights in person.. Wife and all.


Big name Boxers were on TV all the time. Mayweather and De la hoya only got some shine because of all the hype.

Boxers met the president back then.

Can boxing regain that status is what im basically asking.

(Note: Read the full post before anyone trys hitting me wit the "Who do you think you are" bull****)


Plzz do so... because Boxing needs alot of things to be done... and Even though I'm very confident (maybe even overly), I can not put the sport back in its rightful place alone...

Needless to say thats if I Make it At all.. Though I feel Its inevitable.


I take the Job of worrying about the sport as if without me it will die....It looks ****y to some..But honestly i just feel as If I'm getting to the point where I feel responsible for the sport.And honestly though I feel that way I actually have no right as of now to even think like that.. Thats why I train so hard till I can hardly walk straight without hurting because It will be my position someday. ... Maybe others should think the same.

I been flying hard training... When I land Everyones gonna feel it. It'd be nice to know someone else thought the same and really meant it.

You dont wont the ship to sail without you is all. I tend to be like that at times.

You dont wont the ship to sail without you is all. I tend to be like that at times.

lol... A new ALI or TYSON or SUGAR RAY would come along I probably wouldn't worry as much.

lol... A new ALI or TYSON or SUGAR RAY would come along I probably wouldn't worry as much.

It won't happen. Unless someone came along who had a perfect, all-KO record and was making millions, living "the life," banging Beyonce, and showing his place on MTV Cribs -- and even then, he'd be an afterthought as soon as he lost once. The talent and dedication that makes a champion boxer doesn't get respect these days; he'd have to make himself into a clown, and boxers don't play that ****. Decent ones, anyway. The sport is on the outs. I don't mean to be excessively negative, but the world is going in a different direction these days.

(Note: Read the full post before anyone trys hitting me wit the "Who do you think you are" bull****)


Plzz do so... because Boxing needs alot of things to be done... and Even though I'm very confident (maybe even overly), I can not put the sport back in its rightful place alone...

Needless to say thats if I Make it At all.. Though I feel Its inevitable.


I take the Job of worrying about the sport as if without me it will die....It looks ****y to some..But honestly i just feel as If I'm getting to the point where I feel responsible for the sport.And honestly though I feel that way I actually have no right as of now to even think like that.. Thats why I train so hard till I can hardly walk straight without hurting because It will be my position someday. ... Maybe others should think the same.

I been flying hard training... When I land Everyones gonna feel it. It'd be nice to know someone else thought the same and really meant it.


At first that sounded ****y like you say but I read the rest of it. That's pretty respectable man. I mean you work very hard for the sport you love and you feel responsible for it. That's cool man. I wouldnt let it weight you down though, like depress you if you think boxing is going down the drain or whatever.

Although I have only seen a tiny amount of footage of like 50s boxers. From what I saw they did not look anywhere near as good as the boxers of today.

I could be wrong but I think boxing is coming back. Maybe in the past few years I've just been paying more attention, but I feel like I've been seeing more and more general interest. I'm not in a big boxing area but I theres been a handful of places that either added boxing programs or opened up near me, theres boxing on espn twice a week, and there was the contender which got a decent amount of attention. There have also been a number of boxing movies that have done pretty well with the main stream: cinderalla man, million dollar baby, play it to the bone, made, this new movie with that homeless ex-boxer, of course rocky balboa, and I'm sure a number of others I'm not remembering or haven't heard of. And then there was the mayweather de la hoya fight making record breaking pay per view numbers. To me that says the sport is at least hanging around, and if the right things happen I could see it continuing to increase in popularity.

My sense is its gotten more popular in other countries as well just based on reports of superstar status for boxers like hatton, pacquaio, kessler, valuez and the klitscho's, and of course mexico always turns out great boxers.

There are things that could improve in the state of boxing, but I don't get why so many people say its a dying sport and all that. Don't get me wrong, its great if people here want to use *saving the sport* as motivation or whatever, and getting people fired up is great, but I don't think boxing is in nearly as bad shape as some people say.

up until the 80's, the heavyweight champ of the world was the world's greatest athlete. but the 80's are long gone.

up until the 80's, the heavyweight champ of the world was the world's greatest athlete. but the 80's are long gone.

:nonono: .........I wish it would have never changed... Even ALI himself said the sport was dying. but his reason was "Because no one talks anymore".


And to the other guy talking about contender and all..

Those things you mentioned are great...Especially the mayweather De la hoya fight... But Boxing still hasn't Regained its Rightful Seat Back.

it starts with the kids, boxing needs to come back into schools etc, also we need someone who is either controversial/funny/charismastic etc, a boxer like that will create interest, the Hatton/Mayweather fight will be huge!

up until the 80's, the heavyweight champ of the world was the world's greatest athlete. but the 80's are long gone.

I don't think thats true... every sport has great athletes at its peaks with athletic abilities specifically honed for their sport so I don't see how you can say that. Most professional boxers are still world class athletes... probably more so now than in the 80's.

Judge Jab made a good point about getting it into schools... that would be awesome but with all the lawsuits people make these days i dont think that will happen. Big personallities are good too, and I personally think having one sanctioning body would go a long way to regaining the lustre of the title champion, but that probably won't happen either because too many people are making too much money the way it is now.

Yeh that's right. Needs more interesting people. Eubank is my favorite boxer because he was great inside and our of the ring.

this is why a guy like mayweather really pisses me off. the guy is a FANTASTIC boxer, theres no denying his ability, I love to watch his fights. but what does he do? he acts like a DICKHEAD all the time. our pound for pound champ is a total twat. now theres no denying that has got to be bad for the sport. he could be a lot more than he is. he should be a good role model instead hes a role model for arrogance.

the idiocy of todays fans and the total lack of respect for any fighter that they dont specifically support is as big a contributor to the problem

boxing used to be a sport for gentleman to dress well for, grab a cigar, make a bet and enjoy.. they were much more well educated on the sport themselves and were therefore much better fans.

a real boxing fan supports the general well being of the fighters and the sport above and beyond that of his favorite fighters... there arent many of those fans around anymore

regaining respect for boxing starts with US not the FIGHTERS.

Hmm.. ok I'll take your point.. General public Interest... does that word it better.

The Public doesn't know who boxes.

If you ask someone from the general public to name 3 heavyweights they won't be able to even name the champion.

compared to the 80's when families used to go to the fights in person.. Wife and all.


Big name Boxers were on TV all the time. Mayweather and De la hoya only got some shine because of all the hype.

Boxers met the president back then.

Can boxing regain that status is what im basically asking.

that is why I consider today's bxing underrated and old school abit overrated

that is why I consider today's bxing underrated and old school abit overrated

Damn.....The interest......Exactly.

You could make a horrible but stable point with that. I love the old days though.

Hand to hand combat(boxing) will never die. Boxing has seen it all, it was supposed to die in the 30's. Boxing survived the mob, black eyes and Don King. I guess the point was boxing isnt big in the public? The only thing that matters is Boxers are making more money that ever. And thats a fact.


I also see people pointing out Mayweather as a problem. I only half agree. What matters at the end of the day is wins. But the outpoint style does lack excitement.

Thats why I always support the Anti- MAY-weather A fighter like MAY-orga
Mayweather will take your 55$ and run the entire 12 rounds to aviod the boxers most dangerous punch.
Mayorga knows you have one of the most P4P hardest punches ever. Let me drop my hands and take 3 for free.

Boxing needs characters. Good characters that = Pure excitement, before and after the fight. B/c the skills agurement is simply dumb. Fighters are as good now as ever. Mayweather is great, the P4P #1 and people hate him.

Hand to hand combat(boxing) will never die. Boxing has seen it all, it was supposed to die in the 30's. Boxing survived the mob, black eyes and Don King. I guess the point was boxing isnt big in the public? The only thing that matters is Boxers are making more money that ever. And thats a fact.


I also see people pointing out Mayweather as a problem. I only half agree. What matters at the end of the day is wins. But the outpoint style does lack excitement.

Thats why I always support the Anti- MAY-weather A fighter like MAY-orga
Mayweather will take your 55$ and run the entire 12 rounds to aviod the boxers most dangerous punch.
Mayorga knows you have one of the most P4P hardest punches ever. Let me drop my hands and take 3 for free.

Boxing needs characters. Good characters that = Pure excitement, before and after the fight. B/c the skills agurement is simply dumb. Fighters are as good now as ever. Mayweather is great, the P4P #1 and people hate him.

some guy is bless with power some guys are bless with sped and each one is going to use it on his oppenet.

Why maywather will try to KO someone with granite chin and stand toe2toe when he knows he cant KO him?