View Full Version : 10 Reason Bush shouldn't be re elected


BiggestBoxingFanEver
09-21-2004, 12:37 PM
I posted this on the old forum and the next day we went to the new forum and it got deleted. So, here it is again, in case you missed it.

1)Bush bamboozled the American Public – Iraq on his agenda before his inauguration (deliberate misleading America according to terrorsim advisor, Director of the CIA, Secretary of the US treasury) [see #1 details below] - too much smoke not to have a fire

2)Has caused the death of 1000 US soldiers-a must see link http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

3)His war is costing America 130 Billion and counting - http://www.costofwar.com/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6016743

4)Has taken more vacation than any other president
"This is Bush's 33rd visit to his ranch since becoming president. He has spent all or part of 233 days on his Texas ranch since taking office, according to a tally by CBS News. Adding his 78 visits to Camp David and his five visits to Kennebunkport, Maine, Bush has spent all or part of 500 days in office at one of his three retreats, or more than 40 percent of his presidency.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A62524-2004Apr8&notFound=true

5)He took us from a surplus to the biggest budget deficit in history and is not expected to get better
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/7414.php

6)Although, Bush would like you to think otherwise terrorism isn’t his priority (see point C below) and has budgeted less for homeland security than last year. http://www.federalbudget.com/

7)Lower and Middle Class are worse off then they were four years ago (see Detail #2)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35175-2004Aug26.html

8)The Economy has gone to hell http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5759392/

9)Campaign contributions for Bush a good investment……if your rich http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/186625_incomegap17.html
A)Cross the board cut giving rich as much a $90k extra in pocket
B)Plus Dividend tax Cut
C)Plus Capital Gains tax cut
D)(also see # details below)

10)Bush is mixing church and state
A)Taking money out of the department of education budget to give to Faith-based organizations http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/reg-changes.html - click on education
B)New guidelines gut HIV prevention — and endanger young people’s lives http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/31/news-ireland.php

Details

1)
A) Iraq on Bush's agenda before his inauguration
Clarke: Bush insisted on connecting 9-11 with Saddam
On September 12th 2001, I left the video conferencing center and there, wandering alone around the situation room, was the president. He looked like he wanted something to do. He grabbed a few of us and closed the door to the conference room. "Look," he told us, "I know you have a lot to do and all, but I want you, as soon as you can, to go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way." I was once again taken aback, incredulous, and it showed. "But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this." "I know, I know, but - see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred-"
"Absolutely, we will look-again." I was trying to be more respectful, more responsive. "But you know, we have looked several times for state sponsorship of Al Qaeda and not found any real linkages to Iraq. Iran plays a little, as does Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, Yemen."
"Look into Iraq, Saddam," the president said testily and left us.
[Source: Against All Enemies, by Richard Clarke, chapter 1 Mar 23, 2004]

B) [The CIA] worked on a new Top Secret intelligence order for regime change in Iraq that Bush signed on Feb. 16, 2002. It directed the CIA to support the US military in overthrowing Hussein and granted authority to support opposition groups and conduct sabotage operations inside Iraq. The cost was set at $200 million a year for two years. After some disputes in Congress, the budget was cut to $189 million for the first year.
In March 2002, [CIA director George] Tenet met secretly with two Kurdish leaders who would be critical to covert action inside Iraq. Tenet had one message: The US was serious, the military and the CIA were coming. Bush meant what he said. It was a new era. Hussein was going down.
Source: Plan of Attack, by Bob Woodward, adapted in Washington Post Apr 19, 2004
C)
Bush admin knew Iraq not a threat, & had no time for terror
[Anti-terror czar Dick Clarke said], "I am unaware of any Iraqi-sponsored terrorism directed at the US since 1993, and I think FBI and CIA concur in that judgment?" CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin replied, "Yes, that is right. We have no evidence of any active Iraqi terrorist threat against the US."
The truth was that the a full agenda and a backlog of Bush priority issues: the Antiballistic Missile Treaty, the Kyoto agreement, and Iraq. [b]There was no time for terrorism."
[Source: Against All Enemies, by Richard Clarke, p.231-234 Mar 23, 2004 ]

D)
Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said he never saw any evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction-President Bush's main justification for going to war. In a new book chronicling his rocky two-year tenure and in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes", O'Neill said removing Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was a top priority at Bush's very first National Security Council meeting-within days of the inauguration and eight months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Actual plans, to O'Neill's astonishment, were already being discussed to take over Iraq & occupy it-complete with disposition of oil fields, peacekeeping forces, and war crimes tribunals-carrying forward an unspoken doctrine of preemptive war.
O'Neill told CBS the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later and that he was given internal memos, including one outlining a "Plan for post-Saddam Iraq."
"In the 23 months I was there, I never saw anything that I would characterize as evidence of weapons of mass destruction," O'Neill told Time magazine in a separate interview. "There were allegations and assertions by people... To me there is a difference between real evidence and everything else." Source: [X-ref O'Neill] Adam Entous, Reuters, on AOL News Jan 11, 2004
Source: The Price of Loyalty, by Ron Suskind, p. 129 Jan 13, 2004

E) Bush’s Excuse – War based on A CIA Report
Person A: Opps, no weapon of mass destruction, my mistake. Pretty big mistake.

Person B: Well, it was based on a CIA intelligence report!

Person A: When in College, I used several different source documents before writing a paper to assure it was authentic. Good thing too, I almost wrote about unicorns being real but then I couldn't find any other sources. Anyway, you would think our leader would be darn sure of something like that before sending American soldiers to die and along with tax funds.



2)
A) When President Bush took office, gas prices were averaging $1.47 per gallon. Today, the nationwide average is $1.85. At one point hitting a 23 year high.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28215-2004May14.html
B) Bush’s budget has made it harder to go to college. Despite the rising costs facing prospective and current college students, President Bush’s budget would freeze the maximum Pell Grant for the third straight year. In 2001, the maximum Pell Grant paid 42% of the average cost of attending a public college. That’s now down to just 34%. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/fedrel/budget2.htm
C)Since President Bush took office, family health care premiums have risen by more than $3,500. The average cost for a family plan is now nearly $10,000.


3)
A)Over the Next Decade, More Than 50 Percent of Tax Cuts Will Go to the Very Richest Taxpayers. Taxpayers in the top 1 percent of income, whose annually earn more than $1 million, got tax cuts greater than $30,000 in 2003. By the end of the decade, more than half of the Bush Administration's tax reductions will go to the top 1 percent. [Citizens for Tax Justice, 1/8/03]
B)Bottom 60 Percent of Taxpayers Will Receive Only $350 in Tax Cuts Over Next 4 Years, Top 1 Percent Gets $96,634. The bottom 60 percent of taxpayers will receive, on average, a total of $350 over the next four years, or less than $100 per year. The wealthiest 1 percent of Americans will receive, on average, a total of $96,634 in tax cuts over the next four years. [Citizens for Tax Justice, 6/13/03]
C)Small Businesses Not Helped By Bush Plan. Bush claims that his tax plan helps small businesses. But the Treasury Department's broad definition of "small-businessman" includes both Bush and Vice President Cheney. And according to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, 52 percent of small business owners get $500 or less from the Bush tax plan. [Washington Post, 2/24/04; Center for Budget for Budget and Policy Priorities, 1/21/03]

teakay
09-21-2004, 04:34 PM
I'm still going to vote for Bush.

urdaddyinAZ
09-21-2004, 04:42 PM
With all do respect......anyone who has any mind of their own will not be swayed by someone's propaganda posted on a boxing website. Let the public base their decisions from the information they look for and listen to upon their own free will. Each person should pick one or two topics which are the most important to them at this point in their life, and vote for the candidate that best supports their veiw on the topic. That's why we have the right to vote, so we can decide what's important to us and give our "2 cents" accordingly.

LuKahnLi
09-21-2004, 05:55 PM
Don't just look at Bush. Look at the company he keeps.

John Ashcroft - Lost a Missouri senate race to a CORPSE. Really.

Don Rumsfeld - http://www.unknownnews.net/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
Nuff Said.

Dick Cheney - Halliburton.

Porter Goss - If ya read the 911 report you would have seen that one of the ways the gov't failed us was in congressional oversite over the CIA. Guess who was in charge of the Congressional oversite comitee that failed according to the 9/11 commission? Porter Goss. And THIS is the guy who BUsh wants to appoint to the CIA.

Condi Rice - Couldn't do anything about 9/11 attacks DESPITE intelligence POINTING to an attack because: "We didn't know exactly, who, where and when." Uh, COndi isn't it your job to find.

Karl Rove - http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html
Even if HALF of the above is true. This is one EVIL mother****er.

SonnyG8R
09-21-2004, 07:16 PM
Bush is beyond repulsive.

The choice is simple:

The worst peresident in the history of this nation

OR

Anybody else

Boxerdog
09-21-2004, 08:13 PM
Bush is an ass and is surrounded by thieves and liars but I sure don't relish the idea of looking at Teresa for four years OR at her hubby for that matter. He strikes me as the worst kind of phony and she is just disturbing.

Winter
09-22-2004, 12:17 AM
I like your name Boxerdog.

Dr.Depravity
09-22-2004, 12:23 AM
The reason Im voting for bush is because so many people hate him, he must be doing something right. :)

Boxerdog
09-22-2004, 11:38 AM
I like your name Boxerdog.

And I like your style, young lady!

Explosivo
09-22-2004, 12:43 PM
Don't just look at Bush. Look at the company he keeps.

John Ashcroft - Lost a Missouri senate race to a CORPSE. Really.

Don Rumsfeld - http://www.unknownnews.net/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
Nuff Said.

Dick Cheney - Halliburton.

Porter Goss - If ya read the 911 report you would have seen that one of the ways the gov't failed us was in congressional oversite over the CIA. Guess who was in charge of the Congressional oversite comitee that failed according to the 9/11 commission? Porter Goss. And THIS is the guy who BUsh wants to appoint to the CIA.

Condi Rice - Couldn't do anything about 9/11 attacks DESPITE intelligence POINTING to an attack because: "We didn't know exactly, who, where and when." Uh, COndi isn't it your job to find.

Karl Rove - http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html
Even if HALF of the above is true. This is one EVIL mother****er.

I dont like Michael Moore, but I do think its is laughable and says a lot about our incompitent government that Porter Goss, the man who Michael Moore has on camera saying that HE IS NOT QUALIFIED to even work in the CIA anymore is Bush's pick the head the agency. How many more thousands of people are going to have to die in this country before these bonehead politicians get their heads out of their asses? Yesterday the man who admits hes not qualified was Ok'ed by the Senate, so the Democrats will share the blame of this mans eventual confirmation. If they didnt think he should have the job they should have filibustered the vote.

I also think it hillarious that Ashcroft lost an election to a dead man. I dont care for Ashcroft at all.

DR. FREECLOUD
09-22-2004, 02:43 PM
[QUOTE=BiggestBoxingFanEver]

1)Bush bamboozled the American Public – Iraq on his agenda before his inauguration (deliberate misleading America according to terrorsim advisor, Director of the CIA, Secretary of the US treasury) [see #1 details below] - too much smoke not to have a fire

iraq should have been on the presidents agenda since before george sr. as far as i'm concerned. we should have never had to deal with him this late in the game anyway. still voting for bush


2)Has caused the death of 1000 US soldiers

although i hate to hear about our boys dying over there i would hate to see what happens to the ones that get left behind when kerry pulls out the ones he is planning on. still voting for bush.


3)His war is costing America 130 Billion and counting


aside from pappa bushes war, thats still not as much as the 4 before this one. still voting for bush.

4)Has taken more vacation than any other president
"This is Bush's 33rd visit to his ranch since becoming president. He has spent all or part of 233 days on his Texas ranch since taking office, according to a tally by CBS News. Adding his 78 visits to Camp David and his five visits to Kennebunkport, Maine, Bush has spent all or part of 500 days in office at one of his three retreats, or more than 40 percent of his presidency.”



cbs is also the network that was just caught forging false documents about bushs national guard career, how can i beleive this? they are clearly kerry nuthuggers. still voting for bush.


5)He took us from a surplus to the biggest budget deficit in history and is not expected to get better.

where did that surplus come from? could have been ronny and pappa bush? certainly wasn't clinton as the lefties would have you beleive. c'mon folks, we are at war. of course this would happen. still gonna vote for bush.



6)Although, Bush would like you to think otherwise terrorism isn’t his priority (see point C below) and has budgeted less for homeland security than last year.

first you want him to spend less money(reason # 5) now you want him to spend more? you sound just like the lefty frenchman you are going to vote for. still voting for bush.


7)Lower and Middle Class are worse off then they were four years ago.

your sources data comes from the census beureau and is posted in the washington post (a lefty publication). just where was this census taken? i don't recall being a part of it. perhaps it was from where they chose? And if the economy is in such dire straits how come unemployment is lower then in the '90s? No one has yet explained to me who the "rich" are or how it's figured. Bush paid $276,000 in taxes last year to Kerry's $79,000, so who's the billionaire? still voting for bush.

8)The Economy has gone to hell

um....couldn't have reasons 3, 5, 7, and 8 all been one reason. for my response to this lame one refer to 3, 5, and seven. i mean really, am i supposed to vote for kerry now? still voting for bush.

9)Campaign contributions for Bush a good investment……if your rich http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busin...ncomegap17.html
A)Cross the board cut giving rich as much a $90k extra in pocket
B)Plus Dividend tax Cut
C)Plus Capital Gains tax cut
D)(also see # details below)


i hope you realize what this really means. it means that the lefties want people that make more money to have to pay a higher tax percentage. now why should someone who has paid thier dues in life and gotten an education so that they can be successful have to pay a higher percentage. it just doesn't make sense. ok not only that but kerry somehow got out of paying some taxes (please refer to reason 7 response) ok he wants everyone but himself to pay taxes. do you guys realize how ****ty that is? oh sure its ok. here guys bend over and take it like a real man. let me explain something...if the people that bush gives a break to, which really is not a break its more being fair, have more money in thier pocket then they can invest back. meaning they keep growing. as businesses grow more people are hired. more money can be spent. there is a patern.

10)Bush is mixing church and state
A)Taking money out of the department of education budget to give to Faith-based organizations http://www.whitehouse.gov/governmen...eg-changes.html - click on education
B)New guidelines gut HIV prevention — and endanger young people’s lives http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/31/news-ireland.php


this country was founded on religion. these organizations are integral to the education system in case you didn't actually read the guidlines.

now i do have to agree with the fact that condom education is a good thing. i don't agree with bush on that call. although i do beleive in teaching abstinence, i also think kids need to know how to protect themselves. so now i have to vote for kerry. lol not really. :p still voting for bush.

LuKahnLi
09-22-2004, 03:10 PM
Your post is as offensive to the eyes as it is to everyone's intelligence.

LuKahnLi
09-22-2004, 03:27 PM
"iraq should have been on the presidents agenda since before george sr. as far as i'm concerned. we should have never had to deal with him this late in the game anyway. still voting for bush"

Why? Don't we have more pressing matters to deal with? Like countries that actually DO sponsor terror?


"although i hate to hear about our boys dying over there i would hate to see what happens to the ones that get left behind when kerry pulls out the ones he is planning on. still voting for bush."

Kerry is not going to pull out. He has said so repeatedly. Bush was stupid enough to get us there in the first place. Bush was stupid enough to say 'Mission Accomplished' when we are still there and getting killed 2 years later. If He was stupid enough to get us there I do not trust his judgement on guiding where we go from here.


"aside from pappa bushes war, thats still not as much as the 4 before this one. still voting for bush."

WRONG. We actually spent MORE on the military AFTER WWII and Korea. Forget about the actual engagements.

"cbs is also the network that was just caught forging false documents about bushs national guard career, how can i beleive this? they are clearly kerry nuthuggers. still voting for bush."

CBS forged documents? Lets be real here. One of their anchors used documents which can't be be authenticated in a story. A far cry from the network forging documents. Even if the docs WERE forged.....it doesn't make the story any less true.

"where did that surplus come from? could have been ronny and pappa bush? certainly wasn't clinton as the lefties would have you beleive. c'mon folks, we are at war. of course this would happen. still gonna vote for bush."

It was Clinton. Regan put us in debt to win the cold war. Bush Kept us there. What did and Regan do to stimulate the economy 8 years after they were in office? This is a question no Republican can answer because the 'Regan was responsible for the economic Boom during the Clinton years' is just something they heard from Rush Limbaugh who himself did not qualify it. THIS IS A LIE.


'first you want him to spend less money(reason # 5) now you want him to spend more? you sound just like the lefty frenchman you are going to vote for. still voting for bush.'

Wrong, Bush is spending money on the military. Unfortunately you seem to be harboring under the Delusion the Bush Administration put the American people under that the Military fights Terrorism. This is not true. The people who must ULTIMATELY fight the war on Terror is the intelligence community. But THEY are not showy enough. So Bush is gonna blow some cash drop some bombs and act like he is making a difference. Old trick.....even Clinton did the same thing with Kosovo.

'your sources data comes from the census beureau and is posted in the washington post (a lefty publication). just where was this census taken? i don't recall being a part of it. perhaps it was from where they chose? And if the economy is in such dire straits how come unemployment is lower then in the '90s? No one has yet explained to me who the "rich" are or how it's figured. Bush paid $276,000 in taxes last year to Kerry's $79,000, so who's the billionaire? still voting for bush.'

Washington Post is Lefty? That paper is notoriously right wing. Have you ever read it?? Bush SHOULD be paying more taxes. HE HAS MORE MONEY!!!! Isn't that the way it should be?


'i hope you realize what this really means. it means that the lefties want people that make more money to have to pay a higher tax percentage. now why should someone who has paid thier dues in life and gotten an education so that they can be successful have to pay a higher percentage. it just doesn't make sense. ok not only that but kerry somehow got out of paying some taxes (please refer to reason 7 response) ok he wants everyone but himself to pay taxes. do you guys realize how ****ty that is? oh sure its ok. here guys bend over and take it like a real man. let me explain something...if the people that bush gives a break to, which really is not a break its more being fair, have more money in thier pocket then they can invest back. meaning they keep growing. as businesses grow more people are hired. more money can be spent. there is a patern.'

HORSE ****. STEAMING HORSE ****. Did GW work for his money? NO, he was born into money. Most of the money in this country stays within the same family generation after generation. Yeah they should be taxed for it.


'this country was founded on religion. these organizations are integral to the education system in case you didn't actually read the guidlines.'

Guidlines? You mean the bill of rights? Like the part about not establishing a national religion. When GW is making laws for RELIGIOUS REASONS (Same Sex Marriage Ban, Stem Cell Research Ban) then he IS IMPOSING his religious values on everyone else. THIS is unconstitutional.

DISMISSED.

Dr.Pugilist
09-22-2004, 05:49 PM
Going to have to agree there.

The people who are getting the big tax breaks are not the 98% of hardworking Americans under the highest tax bracket.

The people getting the money are old money families that Uncle Sam owes 7.4 trillion dollars to. These people didn't 'work hard ' for their money for the most part. They were born into it.

The big businesses own the politicians that run the government, plain and simple. How many of these billionares and congressman have kids fighting over in Iraq?

dodge
09-22-2004, 06:12 PM
We should have listened to HG wells. If you want more war and the draft to come back and don't agree with the 1st amendment that makes this country so great, then go ahead and vote for shrub. :rolleyes:

BiggestBoxingFanEver
09-23-2004, 09:59 AM
Hey big pappy,
First, you've sited no resources for anything you said. Second, I love how :CNN, MSN, US treasury and whitehouse.gov are lefty publications. Not to mention that just because the washington post uncovered the bs behind the veterns for so called truth funded 2/3 by one of the bush's largest campaign contributors.

You don't mind checking stock quotes or getting news blurbs on msn but when it comes to an adverse article detailing the falure of this administration its lefty.

Your mentality of denial is comparable to the denial jews where burning in the distant camps of germany (despite seeing the trains of people being brought in). That's ok, it'll take a new low, like another four years till close-minded people like you realize YOUR DEAD WRONG!

LuKahnLi
09-23-2004, 05:01 PM
I am a registered Republican......and Oddly I hate about 80% of the other Republicans out there.

I am 100% anti GW Bush.

dodge
09-23-2004, 07:03 PM
I wish Mccain would have ran for president. I would vote for him.

LuKahnLi
09-23-2004, 07:14 PM
Dodge

He DID run for president. but Karl Rove told people that McCain was PRO Breast cancer, fathered a black child in an extra marital affair, and gave up valuable intelligence when he was a POW in vietnam. Unfortunately MOST Republicans were STUPID enough to believe it.

vB Martin
10-16-2004, 10:28 PM
I wish Mccain would have ran for president. I would vote for him.
McCain would have run in 2000 had Bush not had his people start a push poll asking if people in South Carolina would still vote for McCain even if he had an illegitimate black child.
They did the same thing to Kerry in Maryland, asking if people there were going to still vote for him even though he was going to raise their taxes.

My favortie, though, is now the RNC funded voter "outreach" organization being investigated in 2 states for destroying registrations of people registering as Democrats.

What a great world we live in.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
10-16-2004, 10:57 PM
I wish Mccain would have ran for president. I would vote for him.

Me too, the man is pretty smart.