View Full Version : How good is Hydroxycut harcore for losing weight


parrinkinpau
07-09-2007, 03:12 PM
i am starting to taking it i heard is pretty good i have to lose 30 pounds.

any advise

BrooklynBomber
07-09-2007, 03:25 PM
Lipo 6 all the way.

kcpalm
07-09-2007, 04:21 PM
i know someone that used that and what ever he ate, he **** out right away and once he **** his pants becuase he couldn't hold it for more than 30 seconds. it may just be his body, but i aint trying it

SalvaDominicano
07-09-2007, 05:32 PM
im thinking of taking that too. my brother takes lipolean and he likes it. i heard good things about hydroxycut but im not tryin to get the ****s.

Golden-Gloves
07-09-2007, 05:55 PM
that **** is too hard on your body...

I dont know how many times I have to tell people, DIET and HARD WORK

You cant go run a few miles, do your Boxing routine then go eat 4 Double Cheeseburgers from McDonalds, its hard work, theres no easy way out unless you want to do damage to your body..

BrooklynBomber
07-09-2007, 06:59 PM
****, I would go for a cheezeburger and fries right now.

sjfou
07-09-2007, 07:36 PM
1. Its useless without a very clean diet
2. Its useless without hard work
3. Depending where you're from the ingredients could be useless

From personal experience with "fat" burners, i cant handle them, with my Mon-Fri dayshifts & weekend nightshifts, my body cant handle the crashes. I feel a hell of alot better with zero stimulants.

SpeedKillz
07-09-2007, 08:23 PM
not a fan of fat burners, but if ur goin to take some, i would take hot rox by biotest. if ur lookin to go the illegal route, the king of fat burners is clenbuterol, with very very minimal side effects. never taken em, but i know alot of wrestlers from college took clenbuterol often and it is awesome in fat burning. the only side effect i heard of on them was rare mild headaches. again, illegal without a prescription, and u have to research dosing guidelines cuz its different for everyone. choose wisely...

sjfou
07-09-2007, 08:45 PM
BTW, Parrinkinpau - whats your current bodyfat levels like? i assume they're high & there is no silver bullet for fat loss. A person with a higher bf% will drop an initial amount quickly, fat burners can be good for getting competitors down an extra % (like from 5% to 4%) or for fit people down to single figures, like 11% to 9.5%... try looking through bodybuilding forums for more info.

NewbieRJJ
07-09-2007, 10:27 PM
HH is garbage IMO, i like VPX Redline which im using right now and is good becuase it is meant to burn more fat during cardio

Hydro
07-10-2007, 12:50 PM
I haven't tried hydroxycut yet. I use the Ripped Fuel- Definition. I am a little sensitive to caffeine so usually I take like 2/3 or 3/4 a capsule per workout.

Phantasm
07-10-2007, 01:16 PM
I've taken Hydroxycut and it seemed to work a bit in the beginning (as far as increasing my metabolism) but my body seemed to adjust to it and now it dont work for **** on me. I'm thinking of trying NO-Xplode...if anyone has heard anything about it, any feedback would be appreciated.

sjfou
07-10-2007, 08:07 PM
I've taken Hydroxycut and it seemed to work a bit in the beginning (as far as increasing my metabolism) but my body seemed to adjust to it and now it dont work for **** on me. I'm thinking of trying NO-Xplode...if anyone has heard anything about it, any feedback would be appreciated.

i wouldnt waste my time or $$$ with a NO supp - pretty irrelevant for a boxer. Pretty irrelevant for anyone actually... Read below:

Supplements that reportedly increase nitric oxide levels within the body are currently being marketed as powerful muscle builders. The marketers of these supplements claim they increase nitric oxide levels within muscle tissue and a dramatic increase in muscle size, strength is experienced. Other claims also include an increase in fast-twitch muscle fiber strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity from taking these supplements. These reported benefits are quite specific, so I decided to scan the literature for the scientific evidence that supports these claims.

Nitric Oxide ? what is it?

Nitric oxide is a colorless, free radical gas commonly found in tissues of all mammals (it?s also prepared commercially by passing air through an electric arc). Biologically, nitric oxide has been shown to be an important neuro-messenger in a number of vertebrate signal transduction processes. Nitric oxide is used in medical treatment; for example, nitroglycerin ameliorates the pain of angina by supplying nitric oxide to the blood vessels that supply the heart. The popular drug Viagra controls erection by regulating nitric oxide in the penile cartilage chamber.

The Research and the Claims

I don?t know where the marketers obtained their literature on nitric oxide. It looks like they are using the same journals as the companies selling Myostatin inhibitors ? Alice in Wonderland. Although nitric oxide acts as a cell-to-cell communicator for certain metabolic functions, muscle growth is not one of them. After a review of the available literature I cannot find any research that remotely indicates increasing nitric oxide levels plays a part in increasing protein synthesis, contractile strength or any other biochemical pathway that may lead to increases in muscle mass.

For a company to claim their supplement increases ?fast-twitch? muscle strength, the promoters must have instigated or funded some kind of research that involved biopsy procedures and histochemical analyses to extract, assesses and identify these particular muscle fibers from animals or humans, before and after supplementation. However, I could find no documentation (either on their web sites or via a literature scan) that details these findings, only the marketing claims. As far as I?m aware, there is zero scientific evidence supporting the notion that nitric oxide supplements increase ?fast-twitch? muscle strength.

There also appears to be no evidence whatsoever that shows increasing nitric oxide levels enhances endurance, power output, and load capacity.

Arginine alpha-ketogluterate is the ?active? ingredient reported by one company that sells this type of supplement. It is claimed that this compound increases and maintains a constantly high level of nitric oxide in muscle. Nitric oxide is synthesized within the body using the amino acid arginine, the energy cyclic substrate NADPH, and oxygen. Nitric oxide diffuses freely across membranes but it is a transient signaling molecule. Nitric oxide is by nature, a highly reactive gas that has an extremely short life ? less than a few seconds. While there is a lot of research on the effects of nitric oxide, there is no research that shows supplementation with arginine alpha-ketogluterate increases or sustains nitric oxide levels in any human or animal organs.

Can you imagine, a supplement that ?creates dramatic increases in muscle size, strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity?, but not a single study to support these claims. Nothing new here. Unfortunately, this is typical sports nutrition marketing bull****. It's sad, misleading, and shows you just what these companies think of the intelligence level of their target market.

When new products burst onto the market, you the consumer can cut through the advertising hype quite easily. Simply ask the supplement company making the claims to "show you the research". A reference is a start, but the actual research study is particularly what your after. You want to see the study, the protocol, the outcome and the University at which the study was conducted. In the present case, you want to see a study showing were this supplement actually increased nitric oxide above a control group, and you want to see the data that demonstrates an increase in lean muscle mass, significantly more than the group without elevated nitric oxide levels.

The fact is, there is no science supporting any of the claims made for so-called nitric oxide supplements. There is no science showing they have any effect on nitric oxide levels and certainly no science showing in effects on muscle growth or increased performance.

Ask yourself why there is no research to support these companies? wild claims. The simple answer is that research is expensive, make believe products are not. Research provides evidence, fraudulent supplement marketing only delivers hype. It?s far more financially rewarding to sell hype than to produce effective supplements backed by science.

One promoter of a nitric oxide supplement claims to have ?brought creatine supplementation to the market? and that their supplement is ?the perfected version of creatine?. I?m not sure which market is being referred to but creatine has been used as a supplement for over 40 years. And in NO way are nitric oxide supplements a ?perfected version of creatine?. They are nothing like creatine. While creatine is backed by a wealth of research, nitric oxide supplements do not have a shred of scientific evidence that justifies their effectiveness as a bodybuilding supplements.

Bottom line, money spent on these products is money flushed down the toilet.



Read the Real Science

1. Nathan C. Nitric oxide as a secretory product of mammalian cells. FASEB J 1992 6(12):3051-64.

2. Mayer B; Hemmens B. Biosynthesis and action of nitric oxide in mammalian cells. Trends Biochem Sci 1997 22(12):477-81.

3. Janabi N; Chabrier S; Tardieu M. Endogenous nitric oxide activates prostaglandin F2 alpha production in human microglial cells but not in astrocytes: a study of interactions between eicosanoids, nitric oxide, and superoxide anion (O2-) regulatory pathways. J Immunol 1996 1;157(5):2129-35.

4. Esposito C; Cozzolino A; Porta R; Mariniello L; Buommino E; Morelli F; Metafora V; Metafora S. Protein SV-IV promotes nitric oxide production not associated with apoptosis in murine macrophages. Eur J Cell Biol 2002 81(4):185-96.

5. Eckmann L; Laurent F; Langford TD; Hetsko ML; Smith JR; Kagnoff MF; Gillin FD. Nitric oxide production by human intestinal epithelial cells and competition for arginine as potential determinants of host defense against the lumen-dwelling pathogen Giardia lamblia. J Immunol 2000 1;164(3):1478-87.

6. Kelly RA; Smith TW. Nitric oxide and nitrovasodilators: similarities, differences, and interactions. Am J Cardiol 1996 30;77(13):2C-7C.

7. Stryer L. Biochemistry 4th Ed. Freeman & Co. 1997.

NewbieRJJ
07-10-2007, 09:05 PM
I've taken Hydroxycut and it seemed to work a bit in the beginning (as far as increasing my metabolism) but my body seemed to adjust to it and now it dont work for **** on me. I'm thinking of trying NO-Xplode...if anyone has heard anything about it, any feedback would be appreciated.

NO Xplode not only has Nitric Oxide but has loads of caffiene, I'm using it now and it works good in the beginning with the energy but your body gets immune to the caffiene and soon wont work as well, so if you are thinking about getting it your gunna have to stop taking any other caffiene supplements such as energy drinks so you wont get immune to it too quickly.

guzi815
07-10-2007, 09:27 PM
i am starting to taking it i heard is pretty good i have to lose 30 pounds.

any advise

Apart from giving you the 'gitters' (restlessness) it makes you hyper, and definately speeds up your metabolism. Drink lots of "WATER"!!! Lot's of it, brother. I'm talking at least a gallon a day, never mind that 6 glasses a day. Hydroxycut WILL dehydrate you real quick. In the Army, I've watched alot of guys pass out from dehydration. Found out they were popping 6 pills a day. another thing....cycle on and off of it, don't take it more than 90 days consecutively, you'll bang up the kidneys, and the liver will take a beating too.

eazy_mas
07-11-2007, 07:37 AM
fat burners increase the rate of you heart beat which is not good at all

Tuggers1986
07-11-2007, 07:47 AM
I've lost 42lbs since xmas. Stop looking for easy ways to lose weight and run mother ****ers. Go out and run a few mile a day instead of sittin here TALKING about how you want to lose weight.

BrooklynBomber
07-11-2007, 06:25 PM
i wouldnt waste my time or $$$ with a NO supp - pretty irrelevant for a boxer. Pretty irrelevant for anyone actually... Read below:

Supplements that reportedly increase nitric oxide levels within the body are currently being marketed as powerful muscle builders. The marketers of these supplements claim they increase nitric oxide levels within muscle tissue and a dramatic increase in muscle size, strength is experienced. Other claims also include an increase in fast-twitch muscle fiber strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity from taking these supplements. These reported benefits are quite specific, so I decided to scan the literature for the scientific evidence that supports these claims.

Nitric Oxide ? what is it?

Nitric oxide is a colorless, free radical gas commonly found in tissues of all mammals (it?s also prepared commercially by passing air through an electric arc). Biologically, nitric oxide has been shown to be an important neuro-messenger in a number of vertebrate signal transduction processes. Nitric oxide is used in medical treatment; for example, nitroglycerin ameliorates the pain of angina by supplying nitric oxide to the blood vessels that supply the heart. The popular drug Viagra controls erection by regulating nitric oxide in the penile cartilage chamber.

The Research and the Claims

I don?t know where the marketers obtained their literature on nitric oxide. It looks like they are using the same journals as the companies selling Myostatin inhibitors ? Alice in Wonderland. Although nitric oxide acts as a cell-to-cell communicator for certain metabolic functions, muscle growth is not one of them. After a review of the available literature I cannot find any research that remotely indicates increasing nitric oxide levels plays a part in increasing protein synthesis, contractile strength or any other biochemical pathway that may lead to increases in muscle mass.

For a company to claim their supplement increases ?fast-twitch? muscle strength, the promoters must have instigated or funded some kind of research that involved biopsy procedures and histochemical analyses to extract, assesses and identify these particular muscle fibers from animals or humans, before and after supplementation. However, I could find no documentation (either on their web sites or via a literature scan) that details these findings, only the marketing claims. As far as I?m aware, there is zero scientific evidence supporting the notion that nitric oxide supplements increase ?fast-twitch? muscle strength.

There also appears to be no evidence whatsoever that shows increasing nitric oxide levels enhances endurance, power output, and load capacity.

Arginine alpha-ketogluterate is the ?active? ingredient reported by one company that sells this type of supplement. It is claimed that this compound increases and maintains a constantly high level of nitric oxide in muscle. Nitric oxide is synthesized within the body using the amino acid arginine, the energy cyclic substrate NADPH, and oxygen. Nitric oxide diffuses freely across membranes but it is a transient signaling molecule. Nitric oxide is by nature, a highly reactive gas that has an extremely short life ? less than a few seconds. While there is a lot of research on the effects of nitric oxide, there is no research that shows supplementation with arginine alpha-ketogluterate increases or sustains nitric oxide levels in any human or animal organs.

Can you imagine, a supplement that ?creates dramatic increases in muscle size, strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity?, but not a single study to support these claims. Nothing new here. Unfortunately, this is typical sports nutrition marketing bull****. It's sad, misleading, and shows you just what these companies think of the intelligence level of their target market.

When new products burst onto the market, you the consumer can cut through the advertising hype quite easily. Simply ask the supplement company making the claims to "show you the research". A reference is a start, but the actual research study is particularly what your after. You want to see the study, the protocol, the outcome and the University at which the study was conducted. In the present case, you want to see a study showing were this supplement actually increased nitric oxide above a control group, and you want to see the data that demonstrates an increase in lean muscle mass, significantly more than the group without elevated nitric oxide levels.

The fact is, there is no science supporting any of the claims made for so-called nitric oxide supplements. There is no science showing they have any effect on nitric oxide levels and certainly no science showing in effects on muscle growth or increased performance.

Ask yourself why there is no research to support these companies? wild claims. The simple answer is that research is expensive, make believe products are not. Research provides evidence, fraudulent supplement marketing only delivers hype. It?s far more financially rewarding to sell hype than to produce effective supplements backed by science.

One promoter of a nitric oxide supplement claims to have ?brought creatine supplementation to the market? and that their supplement is ?the perfected version of creatine?. I?m not sure which market is being referred to but creatine has been used as a supplement for over 40 years. And in NO way are nitric oxide supplements a ?perfected version of creatine?. They are nothing like creatine. While creatine is backed by a wealth of research, nitric oxide supplements do not have a shred of scientific evidence that justifies their effectiveness as a bodybuilding supplements.

Bottom line, money spent on these products is money flushed down the toilet.



Read the Real Science

1. Nathan C. Nitric oxide as a secretory product of mammalian cells. FASEB J 1992 6(12):3051-64.

2. Mayer B; Hemmens B. Biosynthesis and action of nitric oxide in mammalian cells. Trends Biochem Sci 1997 22(12):477-81.

3. Janabi N; Chabrier S; Tardieu M. Endogenous nitric oxide activates prostaglandin F2 alpha production in human microglial cells but not in astrocytes: a study of interactions between eicosanoids, nitric oxide, and superoxide anion (O2-) regulatory pathways. J Immunol 1996 1;157(5):2129-35.

4. Esposito C; Cozzolino A; Porta R; Mariniello L; Buommino E; Morelli F; Metafora V; Metafora S. Protein SV-IV promotes nitric oxide production not associated with apoptosis in murine macrophages. Eur J Cell Biol 2002 81(4):185-96.

5. Eckmann L; Laurent F; Langford TD; Hetsko ML; Smith JR; Kagnoff MF; Gillin FD. Nitric oxide production by human intestinal epithelial cells and competition for arginine as potential determinants of host defense against the lumen-dwelling pathogen Giardia lamblia. J Immunol 2000 1;164(3):1478-87.

6. Kelly RA; Smith TW. Nitric oxide and nitrovasodilators: similarities, differences, and interactions. Am J Cardiol 1996 30;77(13):2C-7C.

7. Stryer L. Biochemistry 4th Ed. Freeman & Co. 1997.

Yeah, I read that all the NO supplements is just a gimmick but my biggest gains(when I was bulking up) I had when I used NO explode last fall. And yeah, I know it got creatine, but even on regular monohydrate I did not have these kinds of gains. But to boxing, NO is irrelevant and could potentially be harmful(imo)

sjfou
07-11-2007, 07:23 PM
BTW, dont take my word for it, listen to an expert:

Ephedrine and Boxing Training
By Ross Enamait - Published in 2002

Note – This article was written prior to the FDA’s ban on ephedra

I have received several inquiries regarding the use of ephedrine-based supplements to enhance the intensity and weight loss effects of a boxing routine. Many supplements combine ephedrine with caffeine as a means to increase energy. Common examples include Ripped Fuel, Ripped Force, and Xenadrine RFA-1. Recently, several ephedrine products have come under harsh criticism by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Ephedrine is a central nervous system stimulant and decongestant that is effective for relieving bronchial asthma. It is derived from plants of the genus Ephedra. It comes from the Chinese herb Ma Huang. Ephedrine has been used for centuries as both a stimulant and bronchodilator. Recently, ephedrine has been marketed to athletes and those looking to lose weight, based on its ability to trigger energy bursts while causing a reduced appetite.

Unfortunately, since 1993 the FDA states that at least 17 people have died and 800 made ill by dietary supplements containing ephedrine. The FDA recommends a maximum daily ephedrine dose of 24 milligrams. Each supplement should contain no more than 8 milligrams of ephedrine per serving and should not be taken continuously for over a 1-week period. The side effects of ephedrine include elevated blood pressure, irregular heartbeat, stroke, dizziness, restlessness, irritability, and headache. Combinations of ephedrine and caffeine cause side effects substantially worse than those from either compound alone. Most energy enhancement products that contain ephedrine also contain caffeine.

Due to the widespread criticism of ephedrine-based supplements, many product manufacturers have created similar products that do not contain ephedrine. An example is the new ephedrine-free Xenadrine EFX. These products claim to provide increased energy without the dangers of ephedrine. These replacement products often increase caffeine to make up for the lack of ephedrine.

Do these products provide any benefits to the aspiring boxer? After all, boxing is perhaps the most physically demanding sport. Conditioning often means the difference between winning and losing. In addition, a boxer must stay within a specific weight range when competing. Are these products beneficial to fighters? I will emphatically answer both of these questions with a very stern NO. These products are NOT beneficial to competitive boxers.

It is worth repeating that boxing is perhaps the most physically demanding sport of all. Physical conditioning almost always plays a factor in the outcome of a bout. When two equally skilled fighters compete, the deciding factor is often conditioning. Unfortunately, there are no magic pills to create a champion. Boxing is a very difficult sport. Those not willing to train hard and make the appropriate sacrifices are quickly weeded out.

There are no shortcuts in this sport. Boxing has very little to do with luck and a whole lot to do with hard work. By relying on a substance to provide energy, you become dependent both physically and mentally. You begin to think that without the product you cannot succeed. This mindset is detrimental to young boxers. Boxing is a mental sport where you must enter the ring with confidence. You must learn to rely and depend on your skills and training, not on a pill or energy drink.

Consider past greats like Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali who came up in an era before these products were available. These extraordinary athletes were able to perform at levels previously unknown without the use of "energy" supplements. These great boxers are real life examples that hard work is all that is required to achieve optimum physical and mental condition.

Furthermore, both the International Olympic Committee and National Collegiate Athletic Association ban the use of ephedrine-based products. The Professional Boxing Control Regulations of 1996 also lists ephedrine as a banned substance. For this reason, you will not be able to compete with these products at Olympic or professional competitions. Get used to relying on your hard work. The dependencies that you will develop for energy supplements will become difficult to overcome.

I can tell you from experience that these products do not provide any worthwhile advantages. As a youngster, I tried products such as Ripped Fuel without results. Boxing is performed at an anaerobic pace where combinations are fired in rapid succession. These products cause your heart to beat too fast.

I strongly recommend avoiding these products when boxing. There is no substitute for hard work and proper nutrition. Eat smart and train hard and you will be ready to perform.

www.rossboxing.com

BrooklynBomber
07-11-2007, 07:25 PM
They also make crystal meth out of ephedrine.

K.O
07-12-2007, 03:27 PM
I wouldnt take hydroxycut...if you ask me it's a crock..if i was you i would start drinking alot of green tea..or get a green tea extract

sjfou
07-12-2007, 07:41 PM
By the way, im yet to hear a good thing about Muscletech...

shyboirank#1
07-12-2007, 07:50 PM
you know what really works is zantrex 3 it really works i lost 10 pounds in 1 week and a half and i just stop taking them if you want ill sell them to you pm me

BrooklynBomber
07-12-2007, 07:51 PM
By the way, im yet to hear a good thing about Muscletech...

I tried GAKIC from them and it was useless. 50 bucks to waste.

SalvaDominicano
07-13-2007, 10:48 PM
update. im taking hydroxycut and so far good news and no ****s. ive been taking it for a week. i run 2 miles a day and am eating a low carb diet. i havent checked but i prob lost between 5 - 10 lbs.

supRa
12-18-2009, 12:21 AM
I wouldnt take hydroxycut...if you ask me it's a crock..if i was you i would start drinking alot of green tea..or get a green tea extract

wat does green tea doo?!?! never heard of this 1...

Spartacus Sully
12-18-2009, 01:08 AM
wat does green tea doo?!?! never heard of this 1...

it has midichlorians in it that help you use the force.

or it might just be anti oxidants that help burn alittle fat by boosting your metabolism.

PinoyZoi
12-18-2009, 01:33 AM
Smoke some crack and lose 20 pounds quick, I gaurantee it lol

Marlon Brando
03-31-2010, 02:28 PM
i want some steroids instead, i need to drop like 60 pounds i am at my fatest ever...

my height 5'5
weight 230 pounds
my knees hurt when i try to run
my belly is huge
i cant stop eating because i think my stomach is bigger
i cant even shadow box anymore because my lower back hurts like hell
any advise???

a friend told me to get winstrol depot or stano 50 and that just walkin 20 minutes in the morning i will lose a lot of weight, and if i add sit ups and weights i will change my body in a month..

what do you guys think

Tu Pai
03-31-2010, 02:45 PM
start eating 6 or 7 smaller and healthier meals a day, start walking and dont give up on shadow boxing!

Double Jab
03-31-2010, 03:12 PM
Proper healthy diet and exercise. The stuff works best when you are healthy and in shape, and if you are healthy and in shape, what need do you have for it? Weird, I know.

Honestly, healthy food intake and regular exercise will give you what you want. Even if you take the most expensive and scientificily advanced supplements, if you still eat cheezeburgers, it wont do much. If you put a diamond ring and crown on a turd, doesnt change the turd, it is still a turd.

Marlon Brando
03-31-2010, 05:16 PM
start eating 6 or 7 smaller and healthier meals a day, start walking and dont give up on shadow boxing!

The thing is that is getting more dificult for me to drop weight cuz i am 33 years old, i will try to do that 6 or 7 meals.. what do you recommend for food?

what about the winstrol?

Marlon Brando
03-31-2010, 05:18 PM
Proper healthy diet and exercise. The stuff works best when you are healthy and in shape, and if you are healthy and in shape, what need do you have for it? Weird, I know.

Honestly, healthy food intake and regular exercise will give you what you want. Even if you take the most expensive and scientificily advanced supplements, if you still eat cheezeburgers, it wont do much. If you put a diamond ring and crown on a turd, doesnt change the turd, it is still a turd.

i know man thanx... what do you recommend for food? i mean i love tacos, that is my fav food... and its hard to drop that weight since is a lot of weight, is kind of after a week a get desperate and start eating again. and my knees hurt even when i am just standing up

Double Jab
03-31-2010, 05:43 PM
i know man thanx... what do you recommend for food? i mean i love tacos, that is my fav food... and its hard to drop that weight since is a lot of weight, is kind of after a week a get desperate and start eating again. and my knees hurt even when i am just standing up

Me too, without tacos I cant imagine an enjoyable night.

Try this. Eat what you normally do, and tally up 3 numbers.

Find out how many carbs you eat in one day, how many grams of protein you eat in one day, and how many grams of fat.

Tu Pai
03-31-2010, 06:31 PM
The thing is that is getting more dificult for me to drop weight cuz i am 33 years old, i will try to do that 6 or 7 meals.. what do you recommend for food?

what about the winstrol?

fuk steroids man, winstrol will do you more harm than good. We use that **** for roosters get them ready for **** fights and you can see how in a few fights it fuks them up. the Good thing about many meals a day is that you're always eating. start with larger portions and work your way down. Make sure you drink as much water as you can, it will speed the whole diet thing. You can have salmon salad, turkey, tuna, chicken wraps/sandwich in integral bread. Fruits and veggies, cottage cheese, some kinds of soup. Pasta, turkey burger, salads of course. Theres a lot you can eat, if I find an online diet I'll send it to you. Good luck with that.

Hi-Dro
03-31-2010, 09:41 PM
idk but fuk it

train and eat the natural way

alot of these supplements are just trying to drain your pockets dawg

Marlon Brando
04-20-2010, 04:25 PM
fuk steroids man, winstrol will do you more harm than good. We use that **** for roosters get them ready for **** fights and you can see how in a few fights it fuks them up. the Good thing about many meals a day is that you're always eating. start with larger portions and work your way down. Make sure you drink as much water as you can, it will speed the whole diet thing. You can have salmon salad, turkey, tuna, chicken wraps/sandwich in integral bread. Fruits and veggies, cottage cheese, some kinds of soup. Pasta, turkey burger, salads of course. Theres a lot you can eat, if I find an online diet I'll send it to you. Good luck with that.

thank you man, i hope you can get the diet online

Aperion
04-20-2010, 05:42 PM
thank you man, i hope you can get the diet online

Honestly, I don't think you're going to lose the weight you want without basic, simple sacrifices that you don't seem willing to do - let alone do any boxing training whatsoever.

Think of yourself at age 50, with diabetes, heart disease, and basically the threat of keeling over and dying at any moment- thats where you and many people are headed. Actually, since you're 33, you're no spring chicken anymore (I'm 32, I can relate to aches and pains becoming more evident now).

Anyway, my point is you have to work. Take all the supplements, steroids, heroin and crack you want, you'll just not get what you want quicker and with more frustration, time and money wasted. Like everything else in life, the results come from the work you do, not something external to yourself.

Once you start losing weight, your knees will be a lot better. Try swimming if possible, thats really low impact, good to get in shape. You mentioned taking steroids, and walking. Why wouldn't you just try the walking for a few weeks first? I have a feeling you'll start to see plenty of results. Hit the heavy bag for 30secs. If you can't do that yet, try 15 secs. Rest and repeat. Eventually work up to full rounds.

As someone else mentioned, eat 6 times a day and gradually get smaller portions. The second you start seeing results you'll be encouraged, which will lead to more results and a good loop for you has started.

And exactly how often do you eat tacos? I love tacos man, but moderation is a good thing. Veggies, fruits, whole grains, lean meats, stay away from processed sugar and foods - chances are you already know this. And listen to the other people who say supplements are BS, they're right.

Here's my routine (notice I'm not exactly going to be a world champion boxer):

-7:15am Eat breakfast: eggs, green tea
-Walk to work (2.5 miles)
-10:30am Eat oatmeal (at work)
-12:30ish Eat lunch
-5:00 Eat dinner at home
-5:45ish Boxing (shadowboxing, heavy bag, conditioning)
-Protein shake
-8:30 or so - I get hungry for another meal, whatever I eat I stay away from fat and processed sugar. I used to eat TONS of sugar stuff this time of night, I eventually stopped.

As I mentioned, I'm not exactly going to be a pro boxer anytime soon - but the results just from what I've been doing are sooooooo worth it, and not to mention my 32 year old self could beat the crap out of my 22 year old self. I also incorporate yoga into my daily routine, been doing that for 10 years or so, and I'll swear by it for helping conditioning my body for exercise.

You wanna be more 'Streetcar Named Deisre' Brando, and not 'Island of Dr. Moreau" Brando.

One more round
04-20-2010, 07:54 PM
It's best to just do it the proper normal way

DLT
04-20-2010, 09:10 PM
Im the guy to talk to about this because Im sure that Ive used Hydroxycut more than everyone on this site combined and Ill tell you right now, do not use the **** or any other fat burners. I was using Hydroxycut when it 1st came out and that **** was beast. Alot of people were using stacker 2 and some other things but none of them held a candle to Hydoxycut. I was so lean with that **** and I could cut weight in a second.

My brother use to sell steroids and use to workout with real body builders who are in the Mr. Olympia contest and so on. His & my man also owned a GNC so I knew all the tips. The problem is that Hydroxycut and all the other fat burners are 100% healthy if you take them the right way by what the bottle says. If you do that then its no problem but you would have stupid fat atheletes trying to lose weight quickly and double or triple the dosage and die. That led to a ton of sue cases and then they banned ephedra.

I think a few years later they unbanned ephedra but I think they then may have banned it again but IDK. It doesnt matter though because even when it was unbannned, they never put it in the fatburners again for fear of lawsuits. Without the Ephedra, the fat burner is nothing. Thats the #1 ingredient. I bought one bottle after that and never used it again. Even my man at GNC told me that the **** aint nothing anymore and its basically like you are taking nothing. I remember when they first banned the ephedra, they had specials where every day white people who were even older like teachers and stuff were on there talking about how great the product was for them and they never had any problems because they followed the instructions.

They were upset that it was gone and Im the same way. To the dude who said he lost the 5 or 10 pounds, I bet hardly any had to do with the Hyrdoxycut. Its just your diet & training. If you dont have the ephedra in it then it aint ****. If you want to do something then buy some hydroxycut and go online and find a legit place that sells ephedra and take them together. Then the **** will work like a pro but you have to make sure its legit because some people who claim to have the ephedra are just scams. You also have to find a way to find out what is the dosage of ephedra that was in the original bottle of Hydroxycut. Seriously though homie, dont waste your money on fat burners without ephedra.

Drederick Tatum
04-21-2010, 03:59 PM
ephedera definetly works. it's still banned from being sold in fat loss supplements, but you can buy a product like Bronkaid or Primatene tablets, which have ephedera in them.