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Neuraxis
10-18-2004, 02:34 PM
Since a lot of people seem to be completely dissatisfied with the state of today's heavyweight division, it only makes sense that we keep an eye out for the next dominant heavyweight. It's probably pretty obvious that the next dominant heavyweight is probably going to be pretty young and thus we are not going to talk about the current title holders and top contenders. Who knows, maybe some well known younger fighter or older fighter dominates the division for a while. Either way that's not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is name fairly unknown fighters who you think can become dominant heavyweights with time.

I think that Rafael Butler may have what it takes to become a dominant heavyweight. He is 6'6'' and he usually weighs in at the mid to high 250s. He has a lot of power and he seemed to move pretty good for someone of that size as well. A few months ago I saw Rafael Butler fight against 5-1 Victor Ortiz. Butler dominated the short lived fight and TKO'd Ortiz 1:51 into the fight. Butler is 5-0 with 5 KOs. He is 20 years old, and he was the 2004 National Golden Gloves Champion. He has won his last 3 fights in 30, 57, 36 seconds. Who knows if he can continue to dominate like this, but if he can come anywhere even close, he should have a very promising future.

Here is his link at Boxrec: http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=259278

spinksjinx
10-18-2004, 02:37 PM
Since a lot of people seem to be completely dissatisfied with the state of today's heavyweight division, it only makes sense that we keep an eye out for the next dominant heavyweight. It's probably pretty obvious that the next dominant heavyweight is probably going to be pretty young and thus we are not going to talk about the current title holders and top contenders. Who knows, maybe some well known younger fighter or older fighter dominates the division for a while. Either way that's not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is name fairly unknown fighters who you think can become dominant heavyweights with time.

I think that Rafael Butler may have what it takes to become a dominant heavyweight. He is 6'6'' and he usually weighs in at the mid to high 250s. He has a lot of power and he seemed to move pretty good for someone of that size as well. A few months ago I saw Rafael Butler fight against 5-1 Victor Ortiz. Butler dominated the short lived fight and TKO'd Ortiz 1:51 into the fight. Butler is 5-0 with 5 KOs. He is 20 years old, and he was the 2004 National Golden Gloves Champion. He has won his last 3 fights in 30, 57, 36 seconds. Who knows if he can continue to dominate like this, but if he can come anywhere even close, he should have a very promising future.

Here is his link at Boxrec: http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=259278


Abraham "the african assassin" Okine is my pick...That guy is a crazy bull....Damn good skills to...I've caught about 4 of his fights he could be a force.

dempseyfire
10-18-2004, 03:00 PM
Don't see a 'dominant' force out there but my pick of the best HW prospect currently is Ruslan Chagaev. The guy can punch and has good handspeed and overall skills, although he's a little one-dimensional. If Beck beats Barrett convicingly he'll be someone to watch as well.

Neuraxis
10-18-2004, 05:54 PM
Abraham "the african assassin" Okine is my pick...That guy is a crazy bull....Damn good skills to...I've caught about 4 of his fights he could be a force.

Did you see his fights against Billy Douglas, Tony Tubbs, or Charles Brown? Those seem to be some pretty big red flags.

Neuraxis
10-18-2004, 05:57 PM
Don't see a 'dominant' force out there but my pick of the best HW prospect currently is Ruslan Chagaev. The guy can punch and has good handspeed and overall skills, although he's a little one-dimensional. If Beck beats Barrett convicingly he'll be someone to watch as well.

I wouldn't get your hopes for Beck if I were you. Chagaev is young, he should make some noise at heavyweight but he probably won't be a dominant force in the division.

Neuraxis
10-20-2004, 01:14 AM
Try to make a thread not about the Klitschkos and look what happens...what a bust.

techn9ne
10-20-2004, 03:28 AM
i think Wlad will be champion again one day

-winter

(happy nueraxis?)

theironone
10-20-2004, 03:58 AM
Try to make a thread not about the Klitschkos and look what happens...what a bust.
:D
Its just that there aren't that many prospects to look out for :mad: the old men are going to rule for the next couple of years :)

joeboxer
02-05-2005, 12:39 AM
Roman Greenberg. Angelo Dundee said he was faster than Ali.

phallus
02-05-2005, 01:23 AM
:D
Its just that there aren't that many prospects to look out for :mad: the old men are going to rule for the next couple of years :)



i've seen some great amatuer hw prospects at the nationals this year, but the best guys are waiting for 2008 so they get a shot at Olympic gold before turning pro, so that means the old guys are in charge for the next couple years

MikeHunt
02-05-2005, 02:08 AM
Since a lot of people seem to be completely dissatisfied with the state of today's heavyweight division, it only makes sense that we keep an eye out for the next dominant heavyweight. It's probably pretty obvious that the next dominant heavyweight is probably going to be pretty young and thus we are not going to talk about the current title holders and top contenders. Who knows, maybe some well known younger fighter or older fighter dominates the division for a while. Either way that's not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is name fairly unknown fighters who you think can become dominant heavyweights with time.

I think that Rafael Butler may have what it takes to become a dominant heavyweight. He is 6'6'' and he usually weighs in at the mid to high 250s. He has a lot of power and he seemed to move pretty good for someone of that size as well. A few months ago I saw Rafael Butler fight against 5-1 Victor Ortiz. Butler dominated the short lived fight and TKO'd Ortiz 1:51 into the fight. Butler is 5-0 with 5 KOs. He is 20 years old, and he was the 2004 National Golden Gloves Champion. He has won his last 3 fights in 30, 57, 36 seconds. Who knows if he can continue to dominate like this, but if he can come anywhere even close, he should have a very promising future.

Here is his link at Boxrec: http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=259278

It doesn't matter.didn't you hear? Right after the offocially cancel hockey (who really cares anyway) they are going to cancel boxing too. Then Cartoons, The Cooking Chanel and Law and Order.

I'm not sure what gets canceled after that?

p/s Butler is a Ham and Egger

jedihillis
02-05-2005, 03:06 AM
I know some people are talking about Samuel Peter. I mean that guy is a tank. But, i'm curious to see how he'll do against someone with some real skill.

Neuraxis
02-05-2005, 03:07 AM
Roman Greenberg. Angelo Dundee said he was faster than Ali.

Maybe, but he's 18-0 and his best oppenent is Julius Francis. Its time to step it up. Also the fact that a guy who is 4-6-2 KD'd him is not a good sign.

Neuraxis
02-05-2005, 03:11 AM
It doesn't matter.didn't you hear? Right after the offocially cancel hockey (who really cares anyway) they are going to cancel boxing too. Then Cartoons, The Cooking Chanel and Law and Order.

I'm not sure what gets canceled after that?

p/s Butler is a Ham and Egger

How so? It's kind of hard to a Gold Gloves Champion and be a "Ham and Egger."

Mr. Violence
02-05-2005, 03:12 AM
If Sam Peter can get his act together he will probably be the one.

AintGottaClue
02-05-2005, 10:14 AM
tye fields

Toller
02-05-2005, 11:26 AM
Maybe, but he's 18-0 and his best oppenent is Julius Francis. Its time to step it up. Also the fact that a guy who is 4-6-2 KD'd him is not a good sign.


Greenburg has absolutely no chance of being a dominant force in the heavyweight division. I've seen a handful of his fights and he's nothing special.

dino
02-05-2005, 11:37 AM
what more do u dumb asses want...v.klitchko is knocking out everybody..hes knocking out better competiton then mike tyson was knocking out when he fought..ppl are so dillusional..sence tyson was 5'10 and klitchko is 6'6..i guys supposly klitchko is a bum and tyson wasnt..

tracylee
02-05-2005, 12:26 PM
Try to make a thread not about the Klitschkos and look what happens...what a bust.

Actually, I commend you for doing just that..and I'm mildly surprised by it too..good for you Neuraxis! ;)

Toller
02-05-2005, 12:43 PM
what more do u dumb asses want...v.klitchko is knocking out everybody..hes knocking out better competiton then mike tyson was knocking out when he fought..ppl are so dillusional..sence tyson was 5'10 and klitchko is 6'6..i guys supposly klitchko is a bum and tyson wasnt..

The heavyweight division needs someone to capture the imagination of the public, and that isn't Vitali Klitschko.

Toller
02-05-2005, 12:45 PM
and knocking out Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders & Danny Williams hardly counts as "knocking out everyone"!

tracylee
02-05-2005, 12:50 PM
The heavyweight division needs someone to capture the imagination of the public, and that isn't Vitali Klitschko.


Hmmmm...good point!

pimpin2
02-05-2005, 06:17 PM
The Nigerian Nightmare Samual Peters is the savor

Neuraxis
02-05-2005, 07:11 PM
The Nigerian Nightmare Samual Peters is the savor

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one if I were you.

joeboxer
02-05-2005, 07:17 PM
How about Joe Mesi? I think if they let him fight again he could take on Wvlad Klitcho.

AintGottaClue
02-05-2005, 07:26 PM
u guys will see vitali was the asnwer all along u guys say the peopel dont love him? i dotn get where u see that at.

joeboxer
02-05-2005, 07:32 PM
u guys will see vitali was the asnwer all along u guys say the peopel dont love him? i dotn get where u see that at.


People love crazy **** talking James Toney, or Ali. People love crazy children-eating Mike Tyson or Sonny Listons. People love boxers who arn't that good but go to war and win any way, Evander Holyfield and Arturo Gatti.

Klitcho is like Lewis, he is the biggest and the best most technically sound heavyweight. He is good boxing. He isn't a rediculous personality that you can grab on to. I think the only people who love him right now are Ukranians. He also shares an unfortunate resemblance to the Russian from Rocky 4. Its sad but its true.

AintGottaClue
02-06-2005, 10:46 AM
People love crazy **** talking James Toney, or Ali. People love crazy children-eating Mike Tyson or Sonny Listons. People love boxers who arn't that good but go to war and win any way, Evander Holyfield and Arturo Gatti.

Klitcho is like Lewis, he is the biggest and the best most technically sound heavyweight. He is good boxing. He isn't a rediculous personality that you can grab on to. I think the only people who love him right now are Ukranians. He also shares an unfortunate resemblance to the Russian from Rocky 4. Its sad but its true.

im sure peopel will love him once he beats king out of the heavyweight divsion

dino
02-06-2005, 11:17 AM
and knocking out Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders & Danny Williams hardly counts as "knocking out everyone"!

hey idiot..klitchko is 35-2 with 34 knockouts..he was beating byrd before his shoulder went out..and he only lost to the great lennox lewis

and kirk jonhson is a dam good fighter,..sanders has alot of power and williams is discent