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Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 06:18 AM
MGA TOL! HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING JONES CUP LATELY? IT'S ON ESPN (live) AND ABC 5 (delayed). KUNG MAY HIGH BLOOD KAYO EH WAG NYO NANG PANOORIN, DAHIL MABUBUWISIT KA LANG SA NILALARO NG ALL PBA SQUAD NATIN (PWEEEHHH!).

NUNG GAME 1 vs USA (na binubuo ng dropouts siguro sa college basketbol ang pinadala ng tate dito sa Jones Cup, he he he) eh muntik pa tayong matalo, buti na lang sinwerte si caguioa sa huli.

NUNG GAME 2 KAHAPON vs LEBANON, lamang tayo ng 6 ciguro sa last 2 minutes. Pero with 40 plus seconds to go, 1 na lang lamang natin pero ball possession. Nag travel si caguioa tapos nag foul ng walang kwenta sa kabila (penalty). Buti na lang at nagmintis yung pangalawa with 17 seconds left. Tie ang score. Akalain mong itira agad ni Hontiveros with 7 seconds pa, eh di nagmintis at nakatira ng prayer yung Lebanon, pasok! Lantang gulay lahat! (pweh!)

KANINA GAME 3 vs JAPAN na wala pang panalo at tinalo ng Chinese Taipei, lamang tayo ng 6 siguro yun ulit sa last two minutes. Pero with 40 seconds to go tatlo na lang lamang pero ball possession. Sabi ni Chot Reyes, 1 basket at one stop the we go home. Aba eh naagawan si Raymundo at naka 3 pointer sa fastbreak eh di tie n naman with about 13 seconds left. Aba eh naagawan ulit si Hontiveros with 5 seconds to go, at tinapos na tayo ng mga Hapon sa kabila with 1 second to go. Eh di go home na nga tayo! (pwEH ULIT!)

ANG MASASABI KO LANG EH ITO.

UNA>BUTI PA NGA MAG GO HOME NA LANG SILA AT WAG NANG TAPUSIN ANG JONES CUP DAHIL SA TINGIN KO, JAPAN NA ANG PINAKA MAHINA SA MGA SUMALI (DI PA DITO KASALI ANG MAINSTAYS NILA SA JAPAN NATIONAL TEAM I GUESS), AT TINALO PA TAYO DAHIL SA KAGAGUHAN PA. SAYANG LANG ANG PAGOD NILA DUN. KUNG HINDI I-REVAMP ANG BUONG TEAM (MAY PA-TOUGHENING TOUR PA KUNO SA EUROPE EH PURO DAGA NAMAN PALA DIBDIB JAPAN PA LANG KALABAN), EH WAG NA LANG SUMALI PATI NA SA FIBA QUALIFIER, DAHIL SIGURADONG GUGULPIHIN LANG SILA DUON AT LALONG BABAGSAK ANG RATING NG PBA DAHIL TULAD KO, MAWAWALAN NA ULIT NG GANANG MANUOD NG BASKETBOL ANG MGA PINOY. (PWEH PWEH PWEH!)

PANGALAWA> BOKSING NA LANG ANG PANUORIN NYO! MALAPIT NA WORLD CUP! GO BOOM2, GO GERRY, GO AJ, GO BATAWANG, GO GORREZ!:boxing:

xzworks
07-04-2007, 06:26 AM
dapat kasi tulad na lang ng dati na puro born and raised na pinoy ang mga player..maiintindihan ko pa kung bakit tayo natatalo...halos lahat ng player natin dun di na nga marunong magtagalog talo pa rin... lol....

Chadmack
07-04-2007, 06:31 AM
kailangan talaga yung mga players na gaya ni caidic at chitoloy. maaarte mga players natin ngayon, parang nauuna yung porma eh.


ang puso mo nga pala pareng counter :D

JOM'S
07-04-2007, 08:15 AM
mga tol sa totoo lang yung first two games nila passable pero itong talo nila sa japan (weakest team) sila nagkalat ...

yung US Team defending champs dito sa Jones Cup, tinalo na nila Quatar at Korea after matalo satin...kaya big win yun para satin

yung sa lebanon, okey lang yun in last four games natin nakaharap ang lebanon, first time pa lang tayo nila natalo tsamba pa (law of averages better now kesa sa japan)

naiitindihan ko yung tinitimpla ng coach yung team para hindi ma-scout, okey lang sakin na hindi nila tambakan yung japan kaso not to loose like that...

I am still giving them the rest of the tournament, madali naman akong kausap... to end in a positive note sa jones cup in their six remaining games, they just have to win 3 games (iran, jordan & korea)

JOM'S
07-04-2007, 08:19 AM
kailangan talaga yung mga players na gaya ni caidic at chitoloy. maaarte mga players natin ngayon, parang nauuna yung porma eh.

ang puso mo nga pala pareng counter :D

he he pero sa totoo lang tol yung tatlo games nila kakabahan ka talaga...

possible 3-0 sana naging 1-2 pa ...

preng counter, still give our team a chance, tingin ko may pagasa pa...

nathanmania
07-04-2007, 09:18 AM
Puro arte player ngayon.:nonono:

Papa Ace
07-04-2007, 09:26 AM
1. the problem of the team mainly is that actually they have too much firepower. too much coach chot is STILL experimenting with the best combination possible. kahit nag-iinit na yung player, like ritualo kanina (****ing 21 straight points pare) eh kailangan i-bench. remember these are pro players that can play 35-40 minutes and meron groove sa shooting. once, tinanggal mo yan, mahirap ibalik ang groove nyan.

2. complacency. right after the thunder slam of kelly williams they thought the game was done. it was actually the start of their downfall. the same thing happend during the lebanon game. they built a lead as huge as 12 only to blow it in the end game.

3. panic. i think this killed them. vs. lebanon, hontiveros hurried a shot with about 5 seconds left and it was enough para matawid ng lebanon para sa buzzer beater. and AGAIN kanina, nagmadali na naman sya. tabla ang score, the just needed a good shot or could have run the time out dahil lamang sila kahit i-overtime. nagmadali sya and pabato yung hagis nya ng bola na sobrang predictable kaya naagaw for a game-winning fastbreak. at dahil na rin sa panic, kaya di sila nakaka-execute down the stretch.

4. lack of a post-up game. the japanese are about our size pero mas lamang tayo sa heft. i didnt understand why di tayo nag-postup when we had the lead, especially against this team which we cannot do against lebanon and the US. kapag pumoste tayo, mas babagal ang game and lesser chance for japan to go to their transition game. eh ang nang yari eh nakipag-palitan tayo ng shooting eh. im very disappointed with erik menk, i think sya yung ine-expect ko na mamayagpag dito. i think for now, sana sya yung maalis. walang kagana-gana.


we have actually the best team possible right now given the circumstances ng availability ng mga pro players. it's really the coaching team that has to unleash the full potential of this team. hopefully in time for the fiba qualifying.

JOM'S
07-04-2007, 09:38 AM
@papa ace thats the best thing we can do ...

hope that they will be ready and make us proud again come Fiba-Asia!!

they still have six games to make me believe again...

Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 09:48 AM
dapat kasi tulad na lang ng dati na puro born and raised na pinoy ang mga player..maiintindihan ko pa kung bakit tayo natatalo...halos lahat ng player natin dun di na nga marunong magtagalog talo pa rin... lol....

mas mabuti pa nga yata kung puro marunong na lang magtagalog lahat para makapagusap sa court ng di naiintindihan nung kabila. example : "o asi sahurin mo na yan!" LOL!

Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 09:50 AM
kailangan talaga yung mga players na gaya ni caidic at chitoloy. maaarte mga players natin ngayon, parang nauuna yung porma eh.


ang puso mo nga pala pareng counter :D

he he he, mainit lang ulo ko, pero ok pa rin puso ko, LOL!

pero tama ka bro. iba talaga nuon. kinatatakutan tayo. ngayon, takot tayo!

Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 09:59 AM
mga tol sa totoo lang yung first two games nila passable pero itong talo nila sa japan (weakest team) sila nagkalat ...

yung US Team defending champs dito sa Jones Cup, tinalo na nila Quatar at Korea after matalo satin...kaya big win yun para satin

yung sa lebanon, okey lang yun in last four games natin nakaharap ang lebanon, first time pa lang tayo nila natalo tsamba pa (law of averages better now kesa sa japan)

naiitindihan ko yung tinitimpla ng coach yung team para hindi ma-scout, okey lang sakin na hindi nila tambakan yung japan kaso not to loose like that...

I am still giving them the rest of the tournament, madali naman akong kausap... to end in a positive note sa jones cup in their six remaining games, they just have to win 3 games (iran, jordan & korea)

tama ka dyan pareng joms, pero that is exactly my point. nung unang laro ng US medyo kalat sila pero kalat din tayo nun, kaya lang tayo ang nakatsamba sa huli. kung maganda nilaro natin dapat tambak dun yung USA.

yung sa lebanon, yung tsamba ang nagdecide ng outcome, pero that was the result of our inability to sustain our game up to the end. malakas sa una pero kapos sa huli. baliktad naman yung ibang teams where they finish strong all the time, which is what we need dahil almost all international games are decided in the end game by small margins.

yung sa Japan, wtf, katangahan lang, plain and simple, and that includes the coaching staff for poor decision making.

Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 10:06 AM
he he pero sa totoo lang tol yung tatlo games nila kakabahan ka talaga...

possible 3-0 sana naging 1-2 pa ...

preng counter, still give our team a chance, tingin ko may pagasa pa...

im actually not talking about them winning the tournament at all dahil hindi naman yan ang ultimate goal natin. I am talking about the way we are playing at this last stage of the preparations for FIBA, where I can say we are not even close to being prepared for the powerhouses there. parang alam ko na mangyayari sa Japan...remember that only two teams will get to the Olympics and China is sure na. So that means the second best in Asia will be the other one, and if we are that team, dapat nilalampaso na natin ang mga kasali dito sa Jones Cup, tulad ng ginawa ng Centennial Team nina Duremdes at Aquino nuon.

JOM'S
07-04-2007, 10:35 AM
im actually not talking about them winning the tournament at all dahil hindi naman yan ang ultimate goal natin. I am talking about the way we are playing at this last stage of the preparations for FIBA, where I can say we are not even close to being prepared for the powerhouses there. parang alam ko na mangyayari sa Japan...remember that only two teams will get to the Olympics and China is sure na. So that means the second best in Asia will be the other one, and if we are that team, dapat nilalampaso na natin ang mga kasali dito sa Jones Cup, tulad ng ginawa ng Centennial Team nina Duremdes at Aquino nuon.

tol i am also referring to the FIBA-Asia, alam kong hindi natin goal winning dito sa jones cup, pero dito dapat nga tulad ng sabi mo napapakita na natin kung ano kaya gawin ng team...

after the US game maynabasa na ko na goal ng team is to scout opponents and to hide our aces kaya sakin okey na sa akin yung mga ***it na laban pero itong japan ang malaking kalokohan na nagpatalo sila, we should have won this one, pano tayo rerespeto kung natatalo tayo ng weakest team...

para makabawi importante para sakin na matalo natin ang iran & jordan dito sa jones na ka bracket natin sa FIBA at korea na baka makaharap natin sa crossover...

JOM'S
07-04-2007, 10:38 AM
he he he, mainit lang ulo ko, pero ok pa rin puso ko, LOL!

pero tama ka bro. iba talaga nuon. kinatatakutan tayo. ngayon, takot tayo!

that was a long time ago tol ...

sa ngayon misyon natin is to regain lost respect ...

i dont see that yet here sa jones, sana sa FIBA-Asia may mangyari...

Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 10:43 AM
1. the problem of the team mainly is that actually they have too much firepower. too much coach chot is STILL experimenting with the best combination possible. kahit nag-iinit na yung player, like ritualo kanina (****ing 21 straight points pare) eh kailangan i-bench. remember these are pro players that can play 35-40 minutes and meron groove sa shooting. once, tinanggal mo yan, mahirap ibalik ang groove nyan.

2. complacency. right after the thunder slam of kelly williams they thought the game was done. it was actually the start of their downfall. the same thing happend during the lebanon game. they built a lead as huge as 12 only to blow it in the end game.

3. panic. i think this killed them. vs. lebanon, hontiveros hurried a shot with about 5 seconds left and it was enough para matawid ng lebanon para sa buzzer beater. and AGAIN kanina, nagmadali na naman sya. tabla ang score, the just needed a good shot or could have run the time out dahil lamang sila kahit i-overtime. nagmadali sya and pabato yung hagis nya ng bola na sobrang predictable kaya naagaw for a game-winning fastbreak. at dahil na rin sa panic, kaya di sila nakaka-execute down the stretch.

4. lack of a post-up game. the japanese are about our size pero mas lamang tayo sa heft. i didnt understand why di tayo nag-postup when we had the lead, especially against this team which we cannot do against lebanon and the US. kapag pumoste tayo, mas babagal ang game and lesser chance for japan to go to their transition game. eh ang nang yari eh nakipag-palitan tayo ng shooting eh. im very disappointed with erik menk, i think sya yung ine-expect ko na mamayagpag dito. i think for now, sana sya yung maalis. walang kagana-gana.


we have actually the best team possible right now given the circumstances ng availability ng mga pro players. it's really the coaching team that has to unleash the full potential of this team. hopefully in time for the fiba qualifying.

Perfect Analysis pareng ACE. Pero dadagdagan ko pa:

firepower: while i agree with you, this is exactly what pisses me off. we had a lots of topguns but nobody is firing well except for Ritualo, Alapag and in spurts, Caguioa. I know we still have Seigle as an ace up our sleeves, but we need more guys that scores, and are not shy to score. And guys like Yap should be given more time to play and develop that shooting prowess.I dont consider Hontiveros coz hes soooo inconsistent and an absolute liability in the end game. What good is firepower if everyone is gunshy (except for f**ing Hontiveros)?

complacency: you're very kind with words pareng Ace. pero ako, I would say it's a case of "lack of killer instinct" tulad ng kay Pacman. If you smell blood, then go for the kill. What happens is we let the other team stalk us and kill us later. On the part of the players, they really really lack hustle & intensity that I see on the other teams (sayang si Hatfield...). On the part of the coaching staff, why not go for the juggernaut first before breaking the rhythm for the sake of experimenting ( hanngang kailan tayo mag eexperiment?). What Chot does is ibitin lang ang players and not develop any confidence at all. Mybe he should do the reshuffling per half or even per game, but not during the game.This is dress rehearsal time Chot! And we should be playing the way we would be playing in FIBA-now! If the others see we are beatable! then the intimidation factor will no longer be there. Intimidate now, surprise later! what's wrong with our coaches?

panic:mabait ka talaga Ace. I would say lack of character and team work. If the individual players are able to keep their poise throughout the game, and esp at end game, maybe that would negate the lack of team work. But if there are weak links (or weaklings) then teamwork should come to play. But if you lack both...buti pa ipadala na lang ang team ng Harbour Centre sa FIBA baka manalo pa! he he he

lack of post up game: Yup! and lack of hoop attack and drive in and slashing! this is where I miss Cariaso and Miller. Remember how RP beat Japan in the last Asia Games courtesy of Carisao? And if we are afraid to post up Japan, who else can we post up? CHinese Taipei have big men who slash the middle and jump for offensive boards. Thats why they beat Japan.tsk tsk tsk
Menk is past tense. Pauwiin na rin si Hontiveros, Williams, Canaleta, at Chot Reyes! he he he

Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 10:48 AM
tol i am also referring to the FIBA-Asia, alam kong hindi natin goal winning dito sa jones cup, pero dito dapat nga tulad ng sabi mo napapakita na natin kung ano kaya gawin ng team...

after the US game maynabasa na ko na goal ng team is to scout opponents and to hide our aces kaya sakin okey na sa akin yung mga ***it na laban pero itong japan ang malaking kalokohan na nagpatalo sila, we should have won this one, pano tayo rerespeto kung natatalo tayo ng weakest team...

para makabawi importante para sakin na matalo natin ang iran & jordan dito sa jones na ka bracket natin sa FIBA at korea na baka makaharap natin sa crossover...

The only saving grace and glimpse of hope is to beat Iran & Jordan, very convincingly at di tsamba, here in Jones Cup. If we instill fear in them and confidence in us this early, without Seigle, then we may have hope.

JOM'S
07-04-2007, 11:10 AM
lets keep our fingers cross bro ...

anyway malapit na rin naman yan isang buwan na lang alaman na, he he...

flipside
07-04-2007, 06:47 PM
dapat kunin si rico villanueva. kelngan natin ng sagasa player sugod ng sugod para may sindak factor.

Counter Puncher
07-04-2007, 07:53 PM
dapat kunin si rico villanueva. kelngan natin ng sagasa player sugod ng sugod para may sindak factor.

Agree. Isama mo na si Pena na mukha pa lang masisindak na sila. Dennis Espino could provide that too plus experience and gulang sa depensa.

Chadmack
07-04-2007, 08:44 PM
Agree. Isama mo na si Pena na mukha pa lang masisindak na sila. Dennis Espino could provide that too plus experience and gulang sa depensa.
si dennis espino eh parang si marlou na rin eh, yung tipong sumpungin na lang yung pakitang gilas nila(come to think of it, ganyan naman karaniwan sa PBA, kapag mga millionaires na eh tinatamad ng maglaro ata at nde na all out ang paglalaro nila. injuries ang iniisip na kung baga)

Katz
07-04-2007, 09:45 PM
lang kwenta yan c Chot Reyes and his selections...

kc hindi nya pinadala c James Yap... :lol1:

JOM'S
07-05-2007, 02:21 AM
lang kwenta yan c Chot Reyes and his selections...

kc hindi nya pinadala c James Yap... :lol1:

tol nakakapaglaro na si james yap sa jones ... nabasa ko yung first time sya ginamit, malaki score nya...kaso nga palit ng palit ng tao si chot kaya limited din ang minutes...

sa ngayon wala ng time para humugot ng ibang player outside doon sa pool ng players na nakapag laro na from US trip nila hangang dito sa Jones 16 o 17 ba sila lahat, kasama pati yung reserve??

tanong ko mga tol yung reserve sa FIBA how does it work kung may 12-man line up na, tapos may na injury puwede bang hugutin within the tournament yung reserve??

miron_lang
07-05-2007, 02:35 AM
tol nakakapaglaro na si james yap sa jones ... nabasa ko yung first time sya ginamit, malaki score nya...kaso nga palit ng palit ng tao si chot kaya limited din ang minutes...

sa ngayon wala ng time para humugot ng ibang player outside doon sa pool ng players na nakapag laro na from US trip nila hangang dito sa Jones 16 o 17 ba sila lahat, kasama pati yung reserve??

tanong ko mga tol yung reserve sa FIBA how does it work kung may 12-man line up na, tapos may na injury puwede bang hugutin within the tournament yung reserve??

alam ko yun talaga purpose nun. pede magpalit. basta sa isang laro 12 lang.

ll cool j
07-05-2007, 03:14 AM
isa lang masasabi ko. kunin si dorian pena. bow...

JOM'S
07-05-2007, 08:50 AM
alam ko yun talaga purpose nun. pede magpalit. basta sa isang laro 12 lang.

thanks tol ...

sa jones kasi ganoon 15-man pero 12-man line up sa isang game, para kasing hindi ganoon sa FIBA ...

JOM'S
07-05-2007, 08:52 AM
woot NAKABAWI !!!

nanalo RP Team sa korea 88-84 last seconds lang nadesisyunan yun panalo...

daming nabuhayan ng dugo sa pacland, kasama na ko, hehe...

Counter Puncher
07-05-2007, 12:30 PM
woot NAKABAWI !!!

nanalo RP Team sa korea 88-84 last seconds lang nadesisyunan yun panalo...

daming nabuhayan ng dugo sa pacland, kasama na ko, hehe...

Yup I saw the game. The instensity stepped up but just a bit. I'm still not happy coz we won the game not because we played really well, but because the Koreans did not play well in the end game, bungling a lot of shots and commiting a lot of errors, well more errors than we did. For me, it is better to lose after showing all you got (ie losing to a better team whose got more to show), than to win because the other guys did worse (meaning we still did bad). I know what weve got and we are still not showing it. Still too many errors, turnovers, ill advised fouls and shots, too many offensive rebounds by the opponents.

But I'd still say tonight was a lot better showing than the previous nights, even better than when we beat the US. And you know why?

1. We played better defense (but still not enough) so the Koreans did not have easy shots all the time.

2. We started playing more physical (but gave up to many fouls and foul shots) so the Koreans got intimidated somehow.

3. We penetrated the paint and attacked the hoop more, took more medium range shots instead of taking the lower % 3 point shots.

4. We did not dominate the Koreans except in the first 4 minutes, leaving no room for complacency (again), hence keeping our guards always up!

5. And last but the biggest factor>Hontiveros fouled out before the last 2 minutes, just when he is starting to **** all over again! (Side note: even the ESPN sportscaster commented that Coach Reyes should take out Hontiveros as he is getting out of control again towards the end game, even pointing out that is was Dondon who figured in the last two booboos in the last two loses of the RP Team. The same ESPN anchor also noticed that Hontiveros seems to get a lot of playing time always). I dont F**ing know why Chot Reyes is giving Dondon the most playing time everytime. There are others who can deliver more. Is Chot sucking Dondon's dick?

Counter Puncher
07-05-2007, 12:48 PM
woot NAKABAWI !!!

nanalo RP Team sa korea 88-84 last seconds lang nadesisyunan yun panalo...

daming nabuhayan ng dugo sa pacland, kasama na ko, hehe...

Pero JOM's mas natuwa ako sa sumunod na game, Taipei beating Lebanon 78-77 dahil iginanti tayo ng mga Intsik, giving the Lebanes a dose of the same shock they gave us 2 nights ago! And another game that was decided in the last 8 seconds of the game. This is the most incredible come back in basketball I have ever seen in my life...imagine these:

9.8 seconds to go, Lebanon ahead by 5, with Taipei inbounding. Akalain mo nag foul yung gagong Lebanese guard sa inbound! eh penalty. galit na galit yung coach dahil dapat pinabayaan na lang nilang ubusin ng Taipei yung time kahit maka thee pointer pa sila dhail 2 possession ball game with 10 ticks to go!

Na-shoot both free throws ng Taipei to cut lead of Lebanon to 3 with 8.8 seconds to go. To stop the clock. They fouled Lebanese best player # 15 sa inbound with 7.8 to go. All this guy needed was to make one shot and that should have been it. But guess what, he missed both with Taipei rebounding, fastbreaking, throwing up a prayer and making the last second three point shot! Overtime! amazing!

Both teams struggled in the OT period until the last 24 seconds where Lebanon leads by 1 (77-76). Taipei in possesion but opted to take the last shot with around 5 seconds to go. Three point shooter missed, Taipei long haired center rebounds, follows up, makes it! with 1.3 seconds left. Lebanon sues for time and was able to throw a prayer before the buzzer, but this time it was not answered! Taipei wins! Nakaganti na tayo! whoot! hoot! bee buti nga, beeh buti nga, be be be be buti nga!

flipside
07-05-2007, 06:55 PM
Yup I saw the game. The instensity stepped up but just a bit. I'm still not happy coz we won the game not because we played really well, but because the Koreans did not play well in the end game, bungling a lot of shots and commiting a lot of errors, well more errors than we did. For me, it is better to lose after showing all you got (ie losing to a better team whose got more to show), than to win because the other guys did worse (meaning we still did bad). I know what weve got and we are still not showing it. Still too many errors, turnovers, ill advised fouls and shots, too many offensive rebounds by the opponents.

But I'd still say tonight was a lot better showing than the previous nights, even better than when we beat the US. And you know why?

1. We played better defense (but still not enough) so the Koreans did not have easy shots all the time.

2. We started playing more physical (but gave up to many fouls and foul shots) so the Koreans got intimidated somehow.

3. We penetrated the paint and attacked the hoop more, took more medium range shots instead of taking the lower % 3 point shots.

4. We did not dominate the Koreans except in the first 4 minutes, leaving no room for complacency (again), hence keeping our guards always up!

5. And last but the biggest factor>Hontiveros fouled out before the last 2 minutes, just when he is starting to **** all over again! (Side note: even the ESPN sportscaster commented that Coach Reyes should take out Hontiveros as he is getting out of control again towards the end game, even pointing out that is was Dondon who figured in the last two booboos in the last two loses of the RP Team. The same ESPN anchor also noticed that Hontiveros seems to get a lot of playing time always). I dont F**ing know why Chot Reyes is giving Dondon the most playing time everytime. There are others who can deliver more. Is Chot sucking Dondon's dick?
narinig ko nga yun pare. walang kwenta yang si dondon hndi pwede sa international play.

JOM'S
07-06-2007, 01:48 AM
hindi ko napapanood laban saka hindi ko na kilala talaga mga players...

tingin kosa late stage ng preparasyon para sa japan hindi na puwedeng humugot ng ibang players outside sa pool ...

gaano ba kaimportante si hontiveros sa team? puwede bang makuha yung slot nya ni yap o ni williams??

JOM'S
07-06-2007, 01:58 AM
imho they should beat Jordan today to make it more interesting ...

pag tinalo natin jordan today, at least they have shown that they can beat the stronger teams in this tournament ...

noypi2
07-06-2007, 03:46 AM
Magaling si Hontiveros, ang problema yung style ng laro nya. Mabagal yung style ng laro niya compare sa mga laro ng teammates niya. Sila Mark, Helterbrand, Alapag, Williams at yung Norwood puro up tempo. Kapag siya may hawak nasisira yung timing ng teammates niya. Pero sa mga video na nakita ko sa Youtube, Ang kulang natin ay Big bodies inside the paint to control rebounds, Kinakain sila ng buo sa loob, lalo na sa offensive rebounds. Tulad noong laban nila against Lebanon, maraming second chance even third chance points. Kailangan nilang magadd ng malaki sa loob, yung malakas pwesto to get rebounds, kahit hindi malakas sa opensa, basta rebounds lang.

olympic boy
07-06-2007, 04:47 AM
updates rp vs jordan anybody???:owned:

JOM'S
07-06-2007, 07:24 AM
sibak nanaman tayo from another close game 74-70 jordan...

pero iba istorya nito ngayon, dominated tayo ng jordan for the whole game, kinapos lang yung finishing kick natin ...

NEGATIVES
tulad ng mga naunang games, rebounding, free throws, turnovers mga weakness natin...

mukhang pahirapan talaga na makalusot tayo sa elimination phase sa japan, lalo na with the emergences of the Mid-Eastern Teams in Asian Basket, they are big and burly gagaling pa tong mga ito...

POSITIVES
we are competitive against all the teams na nakalaban natin, lalo na against lebanon, korea at ngayon sa jordan, bilog ang bola anything can happen...

the team is not yet at 100% and is still peaking plus Danny Siegel is not yet playing...

kahit tingin kong mas pahirapan na to establish ourselves as one of the top 3 teams in Asia, kahit papano may nakikita akong pagasa...

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 12:13 PM
sibak nanaman tayo from another close game 74-70 jordan...

pero iba istorya nito ngayon, dominated tayo ng jordan for the whole game, kinapos lang yung finishing kick natin ...

NEGATIVES
tulad ng mga naunang games, rebounding, free throws, turnovers mga weakness natin...

mukhang pahirapan talaga na makalusot tayo sa elimination phase sa japan, lalo na with the emergences of the Mid-Eastern Teams in Asian Basket, they are big and burly gagaling pa tong mga ito...

POSITIVES
we are competitive against all the teams na nakalaban natin, lalo na against lebanon, korea at ngayon sa jordan, bilog ang bola anything can happen...

the team is not yet at 100% and is still peaking plus Danny Siegel is not yet playing...

kahit tingin kong mas pahirapan na to establish ourselves as one of the top 3 teams in Asia, kahit papano may nakikita akong pagasa...

Ang nangyari kasi naghabol lang tayo ng naghabol buong game, This is the worst one dahil we started off really really bad. How can an all star top gun studded team score just nine in the first ten minutes of play! my gulay naman!

tapos umiral na naman yung one on one plays natin, halos walang team work. pati nga yung babaeng intsik na anchor ang tanong kay Mark "Are u having problems w ur teamwork". Sagot ni Caguioa, "Yeah! (sabay iwas sa usapan dahil baka madiin naman yung teammates nya).

and of course, ang favorite kong si Hontiveros eh binabad na naman sa loob! Di tayo nakalapit sa almost just 2 points na lang kung hindi pa nilabas si kolokoy!

Tomorrow is vs Iran, the other team we will face in FIBA elimination round. Pag eto tinalo pa tayo eh mag isip na isip na talaga kung pano irevamp yang team. So far, based sa nilalaro natin at ng mga kalaban natin, sa tingin ko ang dapat manatili ay sina:

Caguioa, Taulava, Alapag, Ritualo, Jayjay, Yap


Ang dapat i-reevaluate o bigyan pa ng more playtime para ma-assess ay sina:

Menk, Williams, Canaleta, Raymundo, Ranidel, Norwood


Ang dapat idagdag o ipalit sa team ay isa o dalawa kina :

Miller, Pena, Cardona, Adducul, Villanueva, Belasco.


Ang dapat na masibak ay sina:

Hontiveros at Chot Reyes!LOL!

Chups
07-06-2007, 12:24 PM
Bakit palagi kong nababasa na nag-eexperiment yung coach (Chot Reyes?). Para saan? Ano ba tunay? Praktisan lang ba itong Jones Cup....alam ko big deal itong tournament na ito ah? Preparation for what?

Chadmack
07-06-2007, 12:28 PM
teka mga tol, nde kaya dahil sa starstudded nga team natin eh committed ang coaching staffs na irotate maigi ang mga tao na ang drawback eh, walang nagiinit na players natin?

dont get me wrong, di ako nakakapanood pero normal case kasi sa starstudded team yung ganyan eh.

kung si baby dalupan ang coach nyan, mas malamang na piliin ni coach na me mabangko na star player para maginit yung lineup nya....

Chadmack
07-06-2007, 12:29 PM
Bakit palagi kong nababasa na nag-eexperiment yung coach (Chot Reyes?). Para saan? Ano ba tunay? Praktisan lang ba itong Jones Cup....alam ko big deal itong tournament na ito ah? Preparation for what?
olympic qualifier, nagaambisyon na makalaro sa 2008 olympics ang basketbal team ng RP

Papa Ace
07-06-2007, 12:38 PM
amf i wadnt able to watch the last two games because of work. buti na lang naka-subscribe ako dito sa pinoy lounge for the blow by blow account :D

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 12:49 PM
Bakit palagi kong nababasa na nag-eexperiment yung coach (Chot Reyes?). Para saan? Ano ba tunay? Praktisan lang ba itong Jones Cup....alam ko big deal itong tournament na ito ah? Preparation for what?

Hindi pa kasi final yung line up ng team natin kaya tiningnan ni Chot yung best combination. But I think gawin nya yung per game. tutal 9 games naman sa Jones Cup. Kung per half time eh di 18 combinations yun. Hindi ako Coach pero pano mo makikita kung ok yung combination kung pinapalitan mo every 3 minutes?

Jones Cup is important, not really to win it, but to have an advance look and feel sa mga makakalaban natin sa JApan FIBA elims, where only two teams would qualify for the Olympics. This will also test kung ready na ba tayo sa Japan o hindi. My assessment is hindi pa, but if the necessary adjustments will be done right away, baka makalusot pa. HIndi naman pala unbeatable yung Jordan kahit tinalo tayo kanina, at bukas malalaman natin kung ano naman ang Iran. We have to beat Jordan & Iran in FIBA Japan so we can move to quarterfinals and hope to beat the rest to get to the semis and finals.

AIR_KENG
07-06-2007, 12:51 PM
sibak nanaman tayo from another close game 74-70 jordan...

pero iba istorya nito ngayon, dominated tayo ng jordan for the whole game, kinapos lang yung finishing kick natin ...

NEGATIVES
tulad ng mga naunang games, rebounding, free throws, turnovers mga weakness natin...

mukhang pahirapan talaga na makalusot tayo sa elimination phase sa japan, lalo na with the emergences of the Mid-Eastern Teams in Asian Basket, they are big and burly gagaling pa tong mga ito...

POSITIVES
we are competitive against all the teams na nakalaban natin, lalo na against lebanon, korea at ngayon sa jordan, bilog ang bola anything can happen...

the team is not yet at 100% and is still peaking plus Danny Siegel is not yet playing...

kahit tingin kong mas pahirapan na to establish ourselves as one of the top 3 teams in Asia, kahit papano may nakikita akong pagasa...
watched the game bro... isa lang talaga ang concern ng team natin ngayon at nasabi mo nga rebounds... we're handling TO's relatively well kaso nahirapan talaga gumalaw sa loob yung team kasi ang laki ng talaga ng jordan... tapos si Adais inside-outside pa, malupit... mas magaling pa dun sa khatib ng lebanon kung ako tatanungin...

depense sa loob tayo natatalo... kinain tayo ng jordan at lebanon sa loob... hindi kaya ni asi kung one-on-one yung mga kalaban... ang nakakainis lang ang bagal mag collapse ng depensa pag pumasok ng ang bola sa paint... tapos mga sanay kasing tumapik kaya halos kada posesyon ng kalaban na going to the basket, may foul at free throw opportunities para sa kanila... pansinin nyo dami foul ng Pinas sa lahat ng laro nila... Hindi kasi paa ang ginagamit pang depense kundi kamay...

my hat's off to asi, alapag and especially caguioa... eto yung mga nakita kong may pusong maglaro sa jones cup... bad trip si hontiveros, parang ewan ang laro nya...

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 12:56 PM
teka mga tol, nde kaya dahil sa starstudded nga team natin eh committed ang coaching staffs na irotate maigi ang mga tao na ang drawback eh, walang nagiinit na players natin?

dont get me wrong, di ako nakakapanood pero normal case kasi sa starstudded team yung ganyan eh.

kung si baby dalupan ang coach nyan, mas malamang na piliin ni coach na me mabangko na star player para maginit yung lineup nya....

eh yun na nga ang pinahiwatig n Chot Reyes kung kaya palit daw sya ng palit ng tao. he had to give playing minutes to everyone para daw ma evaluate sila. I agree, but not the way he does it. anong ma-eevaluate mo kung palit ka ng palit evry 3 mins? (except Hontiveros of course, bading yata tong si Chot ah). Look, bro, 9 days ang Jones cup. Kung magrorotate ka ng players, di mo ba magawa evrygame na lang para makita mo talaga ibubuga? Tutal winning is not the goal naman di ba? Ibabad mo si James Yap ng isang game pag hindi gumawa ng 20 puntos yan. Oh si Ren ren kung di gumawa ng 20. Si williams at canaleta pag di dumakdak ng dumakdak yan. O si Jayjay at Caguioa pag di sumaksak ng sumaksak yan. O si Ranidel pag di rumibound ng rumibound yan.

AIR_KENG
07-06-2007, 12:59 PM
Ang nangyari kasi naghabol lang tayo ng naghabol buong game, This is the worst one dahil we started off really really bad. How can an all star top gun studded team score just nine in the first ten minutes of play! my gulay naman!

tapos umiral na naman yung one on one plays natin, halos walang team work. pati nga yung babaeng intsik na anchor ang tanong kay Mark "Are u having problems w ur teamwork". Sagot ni Caguioa, "Yeah! (sabay iwas sa usapan dahil baka madiin naman yung teammates nya).

and of course, ang favorite kong si Hontiveros eh binabad na naman sa loob! Di tayo nakalapit sa almost just 2 points na lang kung hindi pa nilabas si kolokoy!

Tomorrow is vs Iran, the other team we will face in FIBA elimination round. Pag eto tinalo pa tayo eh mag isip na isip na talaga kung pano irevamp yang team. So far, based sa nilalaro natin at ng mga kalaban natin, sa tingin ko ang dapat manatili ay sina:

Caguioa, Taulava, Alapag, Ritualo, Jayjay, Yap


Ang dapat i-reevaluate o bigyan pa ng more playtime para ma-assess ay sina:

Menk, Williams, Canaleta, Raymundo, Ranidel, Norwood


Ang dapat idagdag o ipalit sa team ay isa o dalawa kina :

Miller, Pena, Cardona, Adducul, Villanueva, Belasco.


Ang dapat na masibak ay sina:

Hontiveros at Chot Reyes!LOL!
:haha:

ako naman bro eto pick ko to stay:

alapag, caguioa, taulava, ritualo, norwood, helterbrand at yap... ayus ng core group to... sama mo na si raymundo...

si menk hindi fit for international play... bihira ang one-on-one at masyadong mabagal si erik to keep up with taller and bigger guys...

mick pennisi dapat kasi hindi naman to kasama ewan ko ba kung bakit kasama to e trigger happy to sa tres... under-sized na nga tayo ang hilig pang pumukol sa labas kahit alam na talo tayo sa rebound...

si williams medyo kulang sa energy... minsan mahuhuli mong tatayo tayo lang sa depensa...

belasco and miller will definitely boost the teams quickness ang versatility... kaso mukhang malabo na to...

AIR_KENG
07-06-2007, 01:01 PM
Bakit palagi kong nababasa na nag-eexperiment yung coach (Chot Reyes?). Para saan? Ano ba tunay? Praktisan lang ba itong Jones Cup....alam ko big deal itong tournament na ito ah? Preparation for what?
praktisan pa rin to bro as far as chot is concerned... japan ang real deal para sa kanila... kaso worried din ako sa sobrang re-shuffling ni chot kasi nawawala, o hindi makakuha ng rhythm yung mga players... kung ganito yung blue print nila for japan, malabo na talaga...

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 01:03 PM
watched the game bro... isa lang talaga ang concern ng team natin ngayon at nasabi mo nga rebounds... we're handling TO's relatively well kaso nahirapan talaga gumalaw sa loob yung team kasi ang laki ng talaga ng jordan... tapos si Adais inside-outside pa, malupit... mas magaling pa dun sa khatib ng lebanon kung ako tatanungin...

depense sa loob tayo natatalo... kinain tayo ng jordan at lebanon sa loob... hindi kaya ni asi kung one-on-one yung mga kalaban... ang nakakainis lang ang bagal mag collapse ng depensa pag pumasok ng ang bola sa paint... tapos mga sanay kasing tumapik kaya halos kada posesyon ng kalaban na going to the basket, may foul at free throw opportunities para sa kanila... pansinin nyo dami foul ng Pinas sa lahat ng laro nila... Hindi kasi paa ang ginagamit pang depense kundi kamay...

my hat's off to asi, alapag and especially caguioa... eto yung mga nakita kong may pusong maglaro sa jones cup... bad trip si hontiveros, parang ewan ang laro nya...

korek ka dyan tol. pero kulang din tayo sa offense, dahil one on one palagi at walang ball movement. pansinin mo lahat ng nakalaban natin, palaging motion offense at madalas ang pasahan, kaya hirap din tayo sa depensa. eh tayo, swapangan at buwayahan, lalo na si Hontiveros! We should pass the ball until it gets to the guy with the best position to score! lahat naman ng players natin ay scorer but they are not able to get good shots and are not taking good ones, except for alapag and renren. And may daga pa talaga tayo sa dibdib. Our free throw shooting is below 50%. Talo kaagad!

AIR_KENG
07-06-2007, 01:05 PM
teka mga tol, nde kaya dahil sa starstudded nga team natin eh committed ang coaching staffs na irotate maigi ang mga tao na ang drawback eh, walang nagiinit na players natin?

dont get me wrong, di ako nakakapanood pero normal case kasi sa starstudded team yung ganyan eh.

kung si baby dalupan ang coach nyan, mas malamang na piliin ni coach na me mabangko na star player para maginit yung lineup nya....
exactly bro... kanina nga sa jordan ang pinaka matagal na ata sa court si caguioa nung pumutok cya nung third quarter... kaso nung kalagitnaan ng barrage nya, nilabas cya ni chot...

pati si james nung may jumper cya at medyo ok naman yung depensa, nilabas agad sya for dondon... hindi ko rin makita yung logic ni chot na wala pa ring set 5 na tatagal sa court gayong ang lapit na nung qualifiers...

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 01:06 PM
praktisan pa rin to bro as far as chot is concerned... japan ang real deal para sa kanila... kaso worried din ako sa sobrang re-shuffling ni chot kasi nawawala, o hindi makakuha ng rhythm yung mga players... kung ganito yung blue print nila for japan, malabo na talaga...

Kung karaoke pa to, di pa umaabot sa chorus, pinapatigil ka na ni Chot, bitin! Kung yumayari ka, di ka pa nilalabasan, ibibitin ka na ni Chot. Kung EB, di pa lasing, uwian na! ahahahahah!

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 01:09 PM
exactly bro... kanina nga sa jordan ang pinaka matagal na ata sa court si caguioa nung pumutok cya nung third quarter... kaso nung kalagitnaan ng barrage nya, nilabas cya ni chot...

pati si james nung may jumper cya at medyo ok naman yung depensa, nilabas agad sya for dondon... hindi ko rin makita yung logic ni chot na wala pa ring set 5 na tatagal sa court gayong ang lapit na nung qualifiers...

Putikk talaga. Ano kaya GInebra na lang ang ipdala sa Japan? May team work na talaga!

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 01:11 PM
:haha:

ako naman bro eto pick ko to stay:

alapag, caguioa, taulava, ritualo, norwood, helterbrand at yap... ayus ng core group to... sama mo na si raymundo...

si menk hindi fit for international play... bihira ang one-on-one at masyadong mabagal si erik to keep up with taller and bigger guys...

mick pennisi dapat kasi hindi naman to kasama ewan ko ba kung bakit kasama to e trigger happy to sa tres... under-sized na nga tayo ang hilig pang pumukol sa labas kahit alam na talo tayo sa rebound...

si williams medyo kulang sa energy... minsan mahuhuli mong tatayo tayo lang sa depensa...

belasco and miller will definitely boost the teams quickness ang versatility... kaso mukhang malabo na to...

Tama ka bro. Pennisi is a sore thumb. His size didnt matter at all sa loob. At ngayon ka lang nakakita ng Center na ang role eh tumira ng tres. Ang dami na nating 3 point shooters, ang kailangan ay Center. Kaso, mukhang tarugo si Mick so solved si Chot sa kanya. ahahahahaha!

Counter Puncher
07-06-2007, 01:16 PM
o sya mga tol. ala una na pala. time to sleep. bukas ko na ulit babakbakan si Chot at Donodon. LOL!

AIR_KENG
07-06-2007, 01:20 PM
korek ka dyan tol. pero kulang din tayo sa offense, dahil one on one palagi at walang ball movement. pansinin mo lahat ng nakalaban natin, palaging motion offense at madalas ang pasahan, kaya hirap din tayo sa depensa. eh tayo, swapangan at buwayahan, lalo na si Hontiveros! We should pass the ball until it gets to the guy with the best position to score! lahat naman ng players natin ay scorer but they are not able to get good shots and are not taking good ones, except for alapag and renren. And may daga pa talaga tayo sa dibdib. Our free throw shooting is below 50%. Talo kaagad!
hehe, hindi ka naman galit kay dondon noh bro? :D pero im with you, ang pangit ng laro ni dondon... sya pinaka papogi sa lahat...

about motion offense, mali kasi ata perception ng team natin... one-dimensional kasi sila... drive and dish out lang ang ginagawa nila kaya basang basa ng depensa kung ano gagawin nila... si alapag na pinaka maliit pa ang pinaka matapang ng sumaksak...

Kung karaoke pa to, di pa umaabot sa chorus, pinapatigil ka na ni Chot, bitin! Kung yumayari ka, di ka pa nilalabasan, ibibitin ka na ni Chot. Kung EB, di pa lasing, uwian na! ahahahahah!
Putikk talaga. Ano kaya GInebra na lang ang ipdala sa Japan? May team work na talaga!
:haha: sige ginebra na lang since wala naman sila finals, walang conflict of sched! :D

AIR_KENG
07-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Tama ka bro. Pennisi is a sore thumb. His size didnt matter at all sa loob. At ngayon ka lang nakakita ng Center na ang role eh tumira ng tres. Ang dami na nating 3 point shooters, ang kailangan ay Center. Kaso, mukhang tarugo si Mick so solved si Chot sa kanya. ahahahahaha!
mwahahahaha... wala na ako masabi... mwahahahaha :haha:

Papa Ace
07-06-2007, 01:27 PM
Needs replacement :


Danny Seigle for KG Canaleta

Willie Miller for Jay Jay Helterbrand

Rommel Adducul for Erik Menk


Tangna sobrang lakas na neto di na nila makakayanan powers neto :D

AIR_KENG
07-06-2007, 01:29 PM
Needs replacement :


Danny Seigle for KG Canaleta

Willie Miller for Jay Jay Helterbrand

Rommel Adducul for Erik Menk


Tangna sobrang lakas na neto di na nila makakayanan powers neto :D
miss talaga ng team si danny... bakit naman kasi lagi na lang may international cagefest ng importante may injury si kumag... asar...

noypi2
07-06-2007, 08:31 PM
olympic qualifier, nagaambisyon na makalaro sa 2008 olympics ang basketbal team ng RP

Baka naman pag nakapasok sila at makakuha ng silver, eh hindi na naman mapadala kasi walang pondo! Di ba yung panahon ni Jawo silver sila, bakit hindi sila lumaro sa Olympics?

CoLd_WaVE
07-06-2007, 09:52 PM
Bakit palagi kong nababasa na nag-eexperiment yung coach (Chot Reyes?). Para saan? Ano ba tunay? Praktisan lang ba itong Jones Cup....alam ko big deal itong tournament na ito ah? Preparation for what?

Scientist kasi si Chot Reyes....

:banana:

JOM'S
07-07-2007, 02:13 AM
Baka naman pag nakapasok sila at makakuha ng silver, eh hindi na naman mapadala kasi walang pondo! Di ba yung panahon ni Jawo silver sila, bakit hindi sila lumaro sa Olympics?

tol kasi yung panahon ni Jawo sa Asian Games yung team na yun naglaro, ang qualifier para sa olympics yung ABC dati ngayon FIBA-Asia ...

dagdag ko lang mga tol tong basketball talaga is a big man's game agrabyado talaga tayo sa laki, dapat habang hindi pa fully developed tong malalaking teams, talunin na natin sila, or baka makaalagwa na rin itong mga ito tulad ng china na pang NBA na players...

JOM'S
07-07-2007, 02:20 AM
eh yun na nga ang pinahiwatig n Chot Reyes kung kaya palit daw sya ng palit ng tao. he had to give playing minutes to everyone para daw ma evaluate sila. I agree, but not the way he does it. anong ma-eevaluate mo kung palit ka ng palit evry 3 mins? (except Hontiveros of course, bading yata tong si Chot ah). Look, bro, 9 days ang Jones cup. Kung magrorotate ka ng players, di mo ba magawa evrygame na lang para makita mo talaga ibubuga? Tutal winning is not the goal naman di ba? Ibabad mo si James Yap ng isang game pag hindi gumawa ng 20 puntos yan. Oh si Ren ren kung di gumawa ng 20. Si williams at canaleta pag di dumakdak ng dumakdak yan. O si Jayjay at Caguioa pag di sumaksak ng sumaksak yan. O si Ranidel pag di rumibound ng rumibound yan.

sakin lang tol i am not giving up on chot reyes, biro mo every 3 minutes nagpapalit tayo ng tao ibig sabihin hindi nagiinit mga players pero lahat ng nilaro natin napadi***it ng team ang laban ...

i will pass judgement on chot sa japan, baka talagang may tinatago pa tong kolokoy na ito, pero kapag 3 minutes rotation pa rin ginagawa nya sa japan, ibang usapan na yan ...

Counter Puncher
07-07-2007, 06:20 AM
sakin lang tol i am not giving up on chot reyes, biro mo every 3 minutes nagpapalit tayo ng tao ibig sabihin hindi nagiinit mga players pero lahat ng nilaro natin napadi***it ng team ang laban ...

i will pass judgement on chot sa japan, baka talagang may tinatago pa tong kolokoy na ito, pero kapag 3 minutes rotation pa rin ginagawa nya sa japan, ibang usapan na yan ...


We just won over Iran, 89-79 and i'd like to point out why we won:

1. Intensity was high. Williams was at his best, Norwood was good today, both guys showing grit and courage!

2. Alapag, caguioa, Helterbrand, Asi were their usual selves-great plays!

3. James Yap went on ascoring rampage from allover- that's my boy!

4. Chot Reyes didnt shuffle the guys that much. see what I mean?

5. Dondon & Pennisi didnt get many minutes! thats more like it!


More analysis mamyang gabi mga tol. Just updated you. go to go muna.

flipside
07-07-2007, 06:29 AM
Needs replacement :


Danny Seigle for KG Canaleta

Willie Miller for Jay Jay Helterbrand

Rommel Adducul for Erik Menk


Tangna sobrang lakas na neto di na nila makakayanan powers neto :D
si adducul tol malakas pag international tournament. :D pag sa pba olats

JOM'S
07-07-2007, 07:16 AM
may nabasa akong mga comments na masterpiece daw yung linaro ng RP NT against Iran ...

ang tanong ko 100% na ba ito ng team of may tinatago pa??

kadyo
07-07-2007, 08:31 AM
We just won over Iran, 89-79 and i'd like to point out why we won:

1. Intensity was high. Williams was at his best, Norwood was good today, both guys showing grit and courage!

2. Alapag, caguioa, Helterbrand, Asi were their usual selves-great plays!

3. James Yap went on ascoring rampage from allover- that's my boy!

4. Chot Reyes didnt shuffle the guys that much. see what I mean?

5. Dondon & Pennisi didnt get many minutes! thats more like it!


More analysis mamyang gabi mga tol. Just updated you. go to go muna.

Yes nasa bracket natin sa tokuyama yan padi.

kadyo
07-07-2007, 08:35 AM
may nabasa akong mga comments na masterpiece daw yung linaro ng RP NT against Iran ...

ang tanong ko 100% na ba ito ng team of may tinatago pa??Me tinatago pa pareng jom's at hindi ko rin alam kung ano yun dahil nakatago nga :lol1: Parang pinifake ata nila ang injury ni siegel para akala ng mga kalaban hindi maglalaro.

Ganda talaga ng nilaro nila at talagang dinadive nila ang bola. Gaya nga ng description ni pareng counter nag showtime si williams at superb ang pag quarter back ni alapag.

Counter Puncher
07-07-2007, 09:49 AM
may nabasa akong mga comments na masterpiece daw yung linaro ng RP NT against Iran ...

ang tanong ko 100% na ba ito ng team of may tinatago pa??

masterpiece in its own way yes. but the breaks of the games also helped us like yung last 1:30 minutes na 24 second violation tayo pero di tinawag at naging 6 point swing pa in our favor. other wise it could have been anybody's game pa. but I dont want to take away anything from the best performance so far put up by our guys. it was a great performance overall!

I would say we're not 100% yet kahit andyan pa si Seigle, but I think we'll get there as long as i-continue nila yung nilaro nila ngayon, at tanggalin na si Hontiveros, Pennisi at Raymundo. These guys are more of liabilites right now. Not saying they're not good but I dont think they're ready to play international ball. Adducul could be shorter than Pennisi but he should could crash the boards and are not afraid to bang with the Asian counterparts. I'd put Miller in place of Hontiveros, and Pena or belasco in lieu of Raymundo.
Mat tinatago pa rin tayo in the sense na di pa ito ang final line at di lumaro si RenRen at Canaleta vs Jordan & Iran.

Counter Puncher
07-07-2007, 09:54 AM
Me tinatago pa pareng jom's at hindi ko rin alam kung ano yun dahil nakatago nga :lol1: Parang pinifake ata nila ang injury ni siegel para akala ng mga kalaban hindi maglalaro.

Ganda talaga ng nilaro nila at talagang dinadive nila ang bola. Gaya nga ng description ni pareng counter nag showtime si williams at superb ang pag quarter back ni alapag.

Tunay yung injury pero di ganun ka-serious para di makalaro. Ayaw lang nilang mag risk dahil nga prone si Danny sa injury.

The highlight of todays game vs Iran was William's follow of a miss by a teammate via a one hand,over the rim slam dunk! ESPN just replayed it over and over again. This was followed up later by a 180 degrees slam by Norwood off a steal and a breakaway.

JOM'S
07-07-2007, 10:01 AM
good to know na kahit papano may tinatago pa ang team...

sayang lang at wala akong mapanood na game, tsk tsk...

Counter Puncher
07-07-2007, 10:01 AM
Yes nasa bracket natin sa tokuyama yan padi.

Considering na di pa tayo 100% at tinalo natin ang Iran, at tinalo tayo ng Jordan by just 4 points in the last minute, mukhang the Group of Death is not as grim as it seemed. I have a question though baka may alam ang sagot:

Considering that China is a shoo-in for an Olympic slot already, why are they still playing in FIBA? Di pa panggulo lang yun? Why not let the other Asian squads slug it out instead and the Champion be the other team to represent Asia? Like in our case, ka bracket natin ang China na sigurado na naman sa Olympic Slot. Given na siguro na talo na tayo China, so we now have to beat both JOrdan & Iran or else go home kaagad tayo!

Counter Puncher
07-07-2007, 10:07 AM
Needs replacement :


Danny Seigle for KG Canaleta

Willie Miller for Jay Jay Helterbrand

Rommel Adducul for Erik Menk


Tangna sobrang lakas na neto di na nila makakayanan powers neto :D

I would rather that MIller replace Dondon buwaya, coz Jay Jay is playing well lately. Danny is just resting Im sure. Rommel anytime!

JOM'S
07-07-2007, 11:01 AM
Considering na di pa tayo 100% at tinalo natin ang Iran, at tinalo tayo ng Jordan by just 4 points in the last minute, mukhang the Group of Death is not as grim as it seemed. I have a question though baka may alam ang sagot:

Considering that China is a shoo-in for an Olympic slot already, why are they still playing in FIBA? Di pa panggulo lang yun? Why not let the other Asian squads slug it out instead and the Champion be the other team to represent Asia? Like in our case, ka bracket natin ang China na sigurado na naman sa Olympic Slot. Given na siguro na talo na tayo China, so we now have to beat both JOrdan & Iran or else go home kaagad tayo!

hindi ko sure kung bakit pero gusto ng china may representation din sila sa FIBA-Asia kahit yung Team B lang nila...

its a must to beat both Jordan and Iran na nakalaro na natin dito sa Jones at alam natin ***it-***it lang lang level at kayang talunin tong mga to kahit malalaki, yung Team B ng China lang ang hindi natin alam capacity sa Manila Invitational na lang natin malalaman...

Counter Puncher
07-07-2007, 09:38 PM
hindi ko sure kung bakit pero gusto ng china may representation din sila sa FIBA-Asia kahit yung Team B lang nila...

its a must to beat both Jordan and Iran na nakalaro na natin dito sa Jones at alam natin ***it-***it lang lang level at kayang talunin tong mga to kahit malalaki, yung Team B ng China lang ang hindi natin alam capacity sa Manila Invitational na lang natin malalaman...

Ok that makes sense. I would also send a B team myself if only for courtesy. That means we may even have a chance to beat China dahil takot satin yung mga yun. without Yi or Yao ming, baka makatsamba!

Counter Puncher
07-07-2007, 09:58 PM
Namputsa baka di ako makapanood ng RP_Chinese Taipei mamya kasi may lakad kami ng pamilya. That would be a great match. Sold out daw ang tickets sa Pinoy OFWs pa lang. Siguradong maingay sa venue mamya. Pinoys vs Host! kung may makapanood sanyo kayo naman ang magbalita sa kin o! oks?

mr. bojangles
07-08-2007, 12:15 AM
my gawd! i can't believe you're still stuck with phil. basketball lol :D

i gave it up after seeing the PBA stars got massacred by the chinese, and they're being paid half a million pesos a month just to be cute on phil. tv?!:duh:

kadyo
07-08-2007, 12:40 AM
masterpiece in its own way yes. but the breaks of the games also helped us like yung last 1:30 minutes na 24 second violation tayo pero di tinawag at naging 6 point swing pa in our favor. other wise it could have been anybody's game pa. but I dont want to take away anything from the best performance so far put up by our guys. it was a great performance overall!

I would say we're not 100% yet kahit andyan pa si Seigle, but I think we'll get there as long as i-continue nila yung nilaro nila ngayon, at tanggalin na si Hontiveros, Pennisi at Raymundo. These guys are more of liabilites right now. Not saying they're not good but I dont think they're ready to play international ball. Adducul could be shorter than Pennisi but he should could crash the boards and are not afraid to bang with the Asian counterparts. I'd put Miller in place of Hontiveros, and Pena or belasco in lieu of Raymundo.
Mat tinatago pa rin tayo in the sense na di pa ito ang final line at di lumaro si RenRen at Canaleta vs Jordan & Iran.

tanong ko rin yan padi at dapat mag number 2 sa bracket nila ang pinas para makapasok tayo sa olympic.

@pareng muay-excited lang bro na baka makapasok tayo sa olympic para tambakan ng mga kalaban pag nandun na :lol1:

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 01:19 AM
my gawd! i can't believe you're still stuck with phil. basketball lol :D

i gave it up after seeing the PBA stars got massacred by the chinese, and they're being paid half a million pesos a month just to be cute on phil. tv?!:duh:

I did too! I dont watch PBA anymore except kung wala nang mapanood o kung may nanonood sa bahay. In fact I dont watch NBA anymore since the US teams can no longer weave their magic internationally, except playoffs and finals ocassionally. But I still do watch nternational competition like Jones Cup not only to see how we fare with the others these days, but also to see how asian teams had progressed against us, and man I can tell you we can no longer push around the other teams like we did in the past. Although we still are not pushovers ourselves, except vs China who is a totally different league. I enjoy the competitiveness shown in international competitions including that of our team because deep inside we know this is the only time they are not playing for money, but for glory!

And tama ka pading Kadyo, the thought of making it to the Olympics once again after a long while kinda excites us! but it could be devastating as well if we dont make it!

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 05:24 AM
my gawd! i can't believe you're still stuck with phil. basketball lol :D

i gave it up after seeing the PBA stars got massacred by the chinese, and they're being paid half a million pesos a month just to be cute on phil. tv?!:duh:

we are still a basketball crazy nation, we still speak, think and play basketball....

mawala man PBA, yung basketball mismo sa pinas hindi na mawawala sa sistema natin yan... ako nga na hindi basketball player pero pagnakahawak ako ng bola feeling ko si distrito ako... LOL he he ...

Papa Ace
07-08-2007, 07:26 AM
amputang espn yan! cut yung telecast just when we are winning against chinese taipei !!

i think we are leading by 14 with 3 minutes to go when it was cut!!! :thumbsdow

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 07:32 AM
Ok that makes sense. I would also send a B team myself if only for courtesy. That means we may even have a chance to beat China dahil takot satin yung mga yun. without Yi or Yao ming, baka makatsamba!

lets keep our fingers cross kasi, this is the weakest china team in decades, ngayon kung hindi parin natin makakaya tong team nato ...

the best thing we can hope for is to play second fiddle to china..

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 07:37 AM
amputang espn yan! cut yung telecast just when we are winning against chinese taipei !!

i think we are leading by 14 with 3 minutes to go when it was cut!!! :thumbsdow

ganda ba yung laro ? nabasa ko sa pagland 16 points daw lamang sa end game...

tama lang yun cushion na yun kasi kung papa***itin nila ang CT sa end game dehado sila, bukod sa palpak nati may halo pang luto, he he...

Papa Ace
07-08-2007, 07:44 AM
ganda ba yung laro ? nabasa ko sa pagland 16 points daw lamang sa end game...

tama lang yun cushion na yun kasi kung papa***itin nila ang CT sa end game dehado sila, bukod sa palpak nati may halo pang luto, he he...

2nd half na yung naabutan ko but i saw yung outstanding performance ni kelly williams and mark caguioa. the hustle of hontiveros also proved well but what killed them was jimmy alapag with his booming 3s and slashing plays. there was one na nag reverse-crossover sya sobrang na off-balance yung kalaban sa ibang way napunta :lol1:

flipside
07-08-2007, 08:56 AM
ano na sitwasyon natin sa jones cup? may pag asa bang magchampion?

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 10:18 AM
2nd half na yung naabutan ko but i saw yung outstanding performance ni kelly williams and mark caguioa. the hustle of hontiveros also proved well but what killed them was jimmy alapag with his booming 3s and slashing plays. there was one na nag reverse-crossover sya sobrang na off-balance yung kalaban sa ibang way napunta :lol1:

namputik! mukhang maganda nilaro ng team ah! sayang at ngayon ko pa namiss yung laban. sana i replay bukas ng hapon. kelly, mark & alapag should now make it to the final team. kumusta kaya nilaro ni james yap ngayon? at how did asi fared vs the big men of CT?

If we indeed won by 16, i think the team is now on a roll dahil di naman madaling talunin din ang CT. I f we beat Qatar & Kazakstan convincingly in the last two games of Jones, i think we will be ready for Tokushima after the Manila invitational.

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 10:20 AM
we are still a basketball crazy nation, we still speak, think and play basketball....

mawala man PBA, yung basketball mismo sa pinas hindi na mawawala sa sistema natin yan... ako nga na hindi basketball player pero pagnakahawak ako ng bola feeling ko si distrito ako... LOL he he ...

hehehe tirador ka pala pareng joms...

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 10:47 AM
i am watching the replay now sa ABC 5 buti na lang. 1st quarter 20-16 in favor of RP. 3 point Shoot out ang nangyari b/w mark, renren, dondon at yung dalawang Chinese top guns. we're leading because of slashing moves of Mark & jayjay to the basket. walang inside game so far ang CT.

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 10:53 AM
hehehe tirador ka pala pareng joms...

hindi kasi ako marunong/magaling mag basketball kaya tirador na lang ... lol

pero kapag kapwa ko banban naman mga kalaro ko tol feeling ko naman si philip cezar ako, he he...

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 10:56 AM
i am watching the replay now sa ABC 5 buti na lang. 1st quarter 20-16 in favor of RP. 3 point Shoot out ang nangyari b/w mark, renren, dondon at yung dalawang Chinese top guns. we're leading because of slashing moves of Mark & jayjay to the basket. walang inside game so far ang CT.

nababasa ko mga guards nagdala ng offensive natin ...

tapos may isa pang play yata dyan na kinain si asi noong taiwanese center...

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 11:18 AM
Lumayo na tayo at the end of first half ( 40-29 ) mainly due Alapag's treys and Caguioa's attack. But also because of good man to man defense that threw off the CT shooting %. Dondon improved his game here a bit, with more hustle and less errors. Kerby, Ranidel & Asi showing might off the boards. But despite the lead, marami pa ring wasted offensives due to errors. Mas malaki pa dapat lamang. Yung ingay ng tao sa venue, pantay lang halos considering home court nila to. maingay talaga mga Pinoy OFWs!

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 11:22 AM
lol laking tulong talaga ng OFW kung saan saang bansa hindi lumalaban tayo sa homecourt advantage, he he...

eto yung nakuha kong current standing sa jones cup...

Jordan 6-1
AIA 5-2
Iran 4-3
Lebanon 4-3
Philippines 4-3
Taiwan 4-3
Qatar 3-4
South Korea 3-4
Japan 1-6
Kazakhstan 1-6

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 11:24 AM
nababasa ko mga guards nagdala ng offensive natin ...

tapos may isa pang play yata dyan na kinain si asi noong taiwanese center...

wala akong nakita sa first half. ang nakita dumakdak si Asi pagtapos lusutan yung center nila.

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 11:30 AM
lol laking tulong talaga ng OFW kung saan saang bansa hindi lumalaban tayo sa homecourt advantage, he he...

eto yung nakuha kong current standing sa jones cup...

Jordan 6-1
AIA 5-2
Iran 4-3
Lebanon 4-3
Philippines 4-3
Taiwan 4-3
Qatar 3-4
South Korea 3-4
Japan 1-6
Kazakhstan 1-6

based dito ang magpapahirap talaga satin sa Japan ay ang Jordan. Yung Iran medyo delikado rin although mas malamang ang panalo natin kaysa Jordan. Of course Im just talking about the elims w the Group of Death. Who knows kung sino makakaharap natin sa quarters kung sakali.

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 11:30 AM
wala akong nakita sa first half. ang nakita dumakdak si Asi pagtapos lusutan yung center nila.

nabasa ko lang tol sa pacland kaya hindi ako sure pero abatan mo din...

magicjordan
07-08-2007, 11:34 AM
Pinaka Matinding Rp Team Natin Noon Ay Iyong Panahon Ni Ron Jacob champion Sila Sa Jones Cup.sina Caidic,samboy,chip Engeland,jeff More,dennis Still,calma Etc....malaki Pa Ba Ang Chance Natin Mag-champion?

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 11:42 AM
Mark & Jayjay dazzled at hinilo sa bilis yung mga chekwa sa 3rd qtr kaya dagdag lamang tayo (61-43). Dondon haunted the top gun of CT all quarter long in defense. HIndi makasabay ang CT sa pace na dinikta nila mark at jayjay. James Yap diniin pa sa 3 pointer nya! Lumamang tayo as high as 20!

Counter Puncher
07-08-2007, 11:59 AM
Napabayaan sa depensa yung top gun ng CT, kaya naka 3 sunod na three pointer, baba lamang sa 11 with 7 mins left. Buti na lang nagising ulit si alapg with back to back slashes to the basket! Nakatatlong saksak yung CT center vs Asi kc mabilis kahit kasing laki ni asi! Pero 2 sunod na triples ni Alapag doused cold water again sa rally nila. Williams playing good in this quarter but not as super as last night's. With 3 mins to go biglang naputol nga ang feed due to tech problem! pag balik tapos na. Final score 82-64. Good Job!

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 12:34 PM
Pinaka Matinding Rp Team Natin Noon Ay Iyong Panahon Ni Ron Jacob champion Sila Sa Jones Cup.sina Caidic,samboy,chip Engeland,jeff More,dennis Still,calma Etc....malaki Pa Ba Ang Chance Natin Mag-champion?

nag champion din yung centennial natin sa jones cup kaso kinapos sa asian games...

hindi naman tol hinahabol yung mag champion ...palagay ko last two games laro lang gagawin ...

medyo hindi maganda laro ng quatar at kazak dito sa jones, pero tulad noong sa japan puwede ding malalag tayo, he he

JOM'S
07-08-2007, 12:38 PM
Napabayaan sa depensa yung top gun ng CT, kaya naka 3 sunod na three pointer, baba lamang sa 11 with 7 mins left. Buti na lang nagising ulit si alapg with back to back slashes to the basket! Nakatatlong saksak yung CT center vs Asi kc mabilis kahit kasing laki ni asi! Pero 2 sunod na triples ni Alapag doused cold water again sa rally nila. Williams playing good in this quarter but not as super as last night's. With 3 mins to go biglang naputol nga ang feed due to tech problem! pag balik tapos na. Final score 82-64. Good Job!

yan pala yung sinasabi na kinain si asi noong sentro ng taiwan, higpit ng guwardya ng fans ng NT ... he he...

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 02:42 AM
Pinaka Matinding Rp Team Natin Noon Ay Iyong Panahon Ni Ron Jacob champion Sila Sa Jones Cup.sina Caidic,samboy,chip Engeland,jeff More,dennis Still,calma Etc....malaki Pa Ba Ang Chance Natin Mag-champion?

I agree, idagdag mo pa si brown, we're almost unbeatable those days. but we should also consider the competition these days. I dont think even that super Ron Jacobs team would fare easily with todays players. we just have to cope up by joining more and more int'l competitions instead of just staging papogi shows here at home.

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 02:49 AM
I agree, idagdag mo pa si brown, we're almost unbeatable those days. but we should also consider the competition these days. I dont think even that super Ron Jacobs team would fare easily with todays players. we just have to cope up by joining more and more int'l competitions instead of just staging papogi shows here at home.

tama ka dyan tol during that time ng nanalo NCC sa Jones over the US Team sa finals sabi ni coach Ron Jacobs, he don't believe that the Chinese Team is stronger than that US Team...

pero dito sa tournament na to ilan na nakatalo sa US?

saka yung China Team A medyo kahit panay talo rin sila sa US Trip nila medyo pumapalag din kahit papano most notable yata yung against Dallas 5 points lang linamang ...

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 03:29 AM
tama ka dyan tol during that time ng nanalo NCC sa Jones over the US Team sa finals sabi ni coach Ron Jacobs, he don't believe that the Chinese Team is stronger than that US Team...

pero dito sa tournament na to ilan na nakatalo sa US?

saka yung China Team A medyo kahit panay talo rin sila sa US Trip nila medyo pumapalag din kahit papano most notable yata yung against Dallas 5 points lang linamang ...

height is might, which China has. add their athleticism talagang unbeatable p rin sila at least sa asia. for now we have to prove we can be #2 again, bago pa tayo mag ambisyon for # 1

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 03:49 AM
RP team started fast and had a lot of points off turnovers. Asi asserting himself under the hoop! Jay jay & Yap scoring at will. 15-2 after the first 5 mins. Time out Qatar.

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 03:58 AM
Quick hands got the better of Qatar again. RP with lots of steals. Asi banging the boards again, Norwood getting on the score board. Qatar more intense now in both ends. Caguioa warms up w 2 straight treys. Dondon finished the quarter w a trey of his own. RP leads 28-10 at the end of first. whew!

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:08 AM
Qatar started 2nd qtr well, only to be doused by Alapag trey. Kerby gets his points. Qtar getting lots of offensive rebounds and open look. Caguioa starts scoring again. Good defense by Qatar and starts scoring a lot. Bumaba intensity natin. 37-26 na lang. Timeout si Chot

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 04:09 AM
mga tol ito pa rin ba yung yung quatar na no. 2 sa asian games at ito win ba yung quatar na tumalo satin sa asian cup?

sagwa ng performance nila dito sa jones...

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:18 AM
Pennisi doused Qatar rally with a trey followed by a Caguioa slash in. Diniin pa ni Kelly with an "and 1" play. Caguioa w a steal and a fastbreak! Qatar is making a big mistake of running with us! RP keeps the lead at the half 47-29.

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:19 AM
mga tol ito pa rin ba yung yung quatar na no. 2 sa asian games at ito win ba yung quatar na tumalo satin sa asian cup?

sagwa ng performance nila dito sa jones...

i believe so. wala namang B team yung Qatar that i know of...

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:23 AM
half time stats showed qatar outrebounding us 25-17 just to show you how tall they are. But we out hustled them w 6-1 in steals and 8-5 turnovers, and out witted them with 13-5 assists. that's what we should do. speed vs height.

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 04:29 AM
mga tol nakita ko na rin sa ibang forums yang "and 1" ano ibig sabihin nyan??

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:32 AM
10 unanswered points from Qatar! Timeout by reyes! just about time! natutulog na naman tayo sa pansitan! ang hirap sa tin pag nakalamang na bumababa yung intensity.

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:32 AM
mga tol nakita ko na rin sa ibang forums yang "and 1" ano ibig sabihin nyan??

three point play.

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 04:33 AM
i believe so. wala namang B team yung Qatar that i know of...

yung sa asian cup yata may import sila kaya natambakan tayo...

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 04:35 AM
three point play.

he he yan pala "and 1"

thanks tol!! saan mo ba pinapanood yung game sa sopcast ba o sa tv?

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:53 AM
We're being eaten now under the basket. Our speed is no longer there while the Qataris assert their might inside. No outside shots falling for RP. We just lost our 18 pt lead by more than half in just 8 minutes! I cant believe it! To compound matters Chot Reyes gets double technical for complaning a lot! six free throws by Qatar, plus possession! wtf! Chot should remember this is not PBA! Lead down to eight at the end of the 3rd! 62-54 If RP loses this one in the 4th i'm not going to forgive Chot!

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 04:54 AM
he he yan pala "and 1"

thanks tol!! saan mo ba pinapanood yung game sa sopcast ba o sa tv?

ESPN Live sa cable

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 05:01 AM
RP Team started the quarter w a turnover. Qatar gets a technical foul! These referees are hot headed man! Teams just trading baskets now. With RP making more. Timeout 73-60.

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 05:16 AM
Dondon makes a trey to stretch lead to 16 again. But Qatar making too many 3 point plays off offensive boards! lead down to 9 again! Dondon makes 3 again. Alapag & Williams free throws dousing cold water on Qatar offensive. Qatar making last minute treys! 6 points na lang lamang. 83-77. Timeout.

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 05:21 AM
Another 3 point shot by Qatar and its 85-50! with 24 seconds left. man oh man! time out!

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 05:23 AM
Kerby splitting his free throws but qatar missing on the other side. Kelly virtually wraps up the game with his two free throws off a foul. 88-80. Alapag made a steal and wasted away the remaining seconds. Whew that was a close shave!

Counter Puncher
07-09-2007, 05:25 AM
This is ESPN LIve, signing off for now! he he he

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 05:33 AM
okey naka 3 ***it na panalo ang team ... make it 4

at ayos na ang practice natin mga tol and OUR HOPES ARE STILL ALIVE!!

MUKHANG jordan na mag champion dito sa jones ngayon taon, MAS MAGANDA SANA yung practice natin kung tinalo natin yung champion, he he...

SANTA CLAUSE
07-09-2007, 05:36 AM
wara bang raban ang japan?

( do )
07-09-2007, 05:54 AM
This is ESPN LIve, signing off for now! he he he

daming salamat pareng counter..

sarap sana ng nanonood ng live..

( do )
07-09-2007, 05:57 AM
okey naka 3 ***it na panalo ang team ... make it 4

at ayos na ang practice natin mga tol and OUR HOPES ARE STILL ALIVE!!

MUKHANG jordan na mag champion dito sa jones ngayon taon, MAS MAGANDA SANA yung practice natin kung tinalo natin yung champion, he he...

kmusta na pre?

practice lang ba ngayon ang jones cup? halos magpakamay sila samboy at allan dyan noon?:banana:

Chadmack
07-09-2007, 06:16 AM
This is ESPN LIve, signing off for now! he he he
hehehehe nice coverage pare :D

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 07:03 AM
kmusta na pre?

practice lang ba ngayon ang jones cup? halos magpakamay sila samboy at allan dyan noon?:banana:

iba kasi noon ... dati wala tayong **** ma scout, china, japan at korea lang talaga kalaban ...

pero ngayon sangkaterba na ang may sinasabi na rin sa pagbabasketball sa asia...

saka yun sabi ni chot reyes ... lol

chito
07-09-2007, 07:27 AM
thanks, counter for updating us (esp the game against qatar - pwede mo na palitan si anthony suntay dun he he he).

pwede mo na rin sigurong palitan ang title nitong thread (afterall, di naman pala nagkakalat, bumawi din kahit paano he he he).

to add to your observations, i think our main weapon dito ay yung outside shots natin at yung quickness ng mga guards natin. if caguioa, alapag, hontiveros, ritualo and the rest of the guards (incl james yap) would play like that sa olympic qualifier, it's gonna be great at makukuha natin ang 2nd slot sa olympics (wow, isn't that nice?).

but, we have a lot of work to do (im just being realistic so to speak). ang chinese-taipei ay mahinang team palagay ko (sinuwerte lang talaga yung lin kaya sila nakaabot sa winning columns na ganun plus sila ang host team kaya malalakas ang kumpyansa ng mga yun). jordan, lebanon, korea (di pa yata ito talaga yung core ng team na isasabak nila sa olympic qualifier ano?) - these are the good teams at sila ang dapat pagtuunan ng pansin. we have to minimize our errors (passing errors at mga poor shot selections). we have to be focused, work our hearts out in the gym, perfect our plays esp against the taller and quicker teams like china.

flipside
07-09-2007, 07:41 AM
si ritualo ba kya hindi pinapalaro pra itago sa iabng team? kasi wala namn atang injury e. ala allan caidic kya si ren ren? sana.

JOM'S
07-09-2007, 08:02 AM
one more game for the guys to show their stuff ...

sino-sino kaya bubuo ng final 12-man team natin ...

JOM'S
07-10-2007, 06:01 AM
ngee nagpatambak nananaman ang Team Pilipinas sa kazakh...lol

Counter Puncher
07-12-2007, 02:47 AM
im back! pasensya na mga tol. nasira yung dsl ko for the last 2 days. so di ko na na update to.

Counter Puncher
07-12-2007, 03:00 AM
thanks, counter for updating us (esp the game against qatar - pwede mo na palitan si anthony suntay dun he he he).

pwede mo na rin sigurong palitan ang title nitong thread (afterall, di naman pala nagkakalat, bumawi din kahit paano he he he).

to add to your observations, i think our main weapon dito ay yung outside shots natin at yung quickness ng mga guards natin. if caguioa, alapag, hontiveros, ritualo and the rest of the guards (incl james yap) would play like that sa olympic qualifier, it's gonna be great at makukuha natin ang 2nd slot sa olympics (wow, isn't that nice?).

but, we have a lot of work to do (im just being realistic so to speak). ang chinese-taipei ay mahinang team palagay ko (sinuwerte lang talaga yung lin kaya sila nakaabot sa winning columns na ganun plus sila ang host team kaya malalakas ang kumpyansa ng mga yun). jordan, lebanon, korea (di pa yata ito talaga yung core ng team na isasabak nila sa olympic qualifier ano?) - these are the good teams at sila ang dapat pagtuunan ng pansin. we have to minimize our errors (passing errors at mga poor shot selections). we have to be focused, work our hearts out in the gym, perfect our plays esp against the taller and quicker teams like china.

He he he. Nagkalat ulit tayo, sa last game pa, at very important game pa vs Kazakshtan! So di ko na papalitan ang name ng thread na to. LOL!

We lost by 17 points! We had to make a point here sana! Since Busan games way back, we lost all our games vs Kazak at we were hoping to break the jinx but we didnt, and this is our worst loss vs them! Not only did we lose all our previous games vs K but in all those games, one of our players got injured, and this time its James Yap who suffered a sprained ankle. If we won, we would have ended up 2nd placer next to Jordan, and we would have broken the jinx since we will face the K team again in Japan (if we get past the elims!). Now the jinx is still on!

Related to this, are you wondering why the RP team wasnt there at the JOnes Cup awarding ceremonies to receive the bronze medal? First, we did not expect to end 3rd after losing to Kazak. We thought US will win vs Iran and Taipei will win vs Korea. But our jinx somehow carried over to these favorites! Iran routed US by a wide margin and Korea lambasted CT with almost 18 points din yata! So the quotient system worked in our favor.

Second, after the very disappointing loss to K, dinedma n Chot Reyes lahat ng players nya at kinulong sa hotel at binigyan ng lights off by 10pm, which more or less coincided w the awarding ceremonies .

What a shame!

Counter Puncher
07-12-2007, 03:03 AM
wara bang raban ang japan?

meron. di maganda niraro ng japan sa jones cup pero they prayed da ror of giant kirrer. 2 rang panaro nira pero aram mo kung sino tinaro nira? RP and JORDAN? astig!

Counter Puncher
07-12-2007, 03:19 AM
The only way we could win in Japan is if Chot and the guys do these:

1. Design the offense for our guards. While none of our big men could match up with the big men of the other teams, NO team could match up with our guards. Speed and shooting are our only weapons. They're our only hope vs big guys. The'yll open up the lanes if they make the shots. And if they make the shots outside, the offensive rebounds dont matter. We were beaten by all the teams pagdating sa offensive rebounds. Alapag, Renren, Mark, James Yap should take their shots and they should make it. MIller should be here, too.

2. Shoot more medium range jumpers. I noticed that 2 klase lang ang opensa natin. 3 pointer at saksak. 3 pointer is good but lower ang % nyan. saksak is ok kung maliit kalaban. We should take that medium range shot more often. Dyan natin namiss si Seigle. I'd settle for a 2 everytime we have the ball, than go for 3 and end up with a 2 or 3 point swing at the other end.

3. We need another Asi at the Center. Pennisi is non existent down there. He is not even consistent at 3 point lane. I dont know who but maybe Pena or Adducul would be better than Pennisi, Menk, Raymundo or Ranidel. They dont score but they will give you the hustle inside. BUt we have enough scorers!

4. We need players that keep their intensity all the time (intensity not carelessness like Dondon's). If everyone's attitude is like that of Alapag, we would be unbeatable. So the lukewarm guys should be replaced. I reallky miss Hatfield here. If you watched game vs Kazak, u could see the frustration of Alapag with his teammates na para bang sinasabi " Hoy, ako lang ba gustong maglaro dito?" Hats off to Jimmy!

Speed, Shooting, another ASI, and instensity. All of these or nothing! No ifs, no buts!

Counter Puncher
07-12-2007, 03:21 AM
alis muna ko. mamya ulit!

Katz
07-12-2007, 09:42 AM
RP Team is an overrated team!!! :lol1:

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 12:27 AM
Good News-Bad News

Good News - RP beats Lebanon at the Manila Invitational last night at the big dome. 88-83 to avenge the 87-84 loss we suffered in the Jones Cup. We did this without Seigle, Caguioa & Yap.

Bad News- We beat Lebanon without their best player Khatib, obviously keeping it up their sleeves or keeping him out of injury risk.
Same thing we did in case of Caguioa. But in case of Seigle & Yap, its because of injuries! Yap still nurses a sprained ankle he suffered in the shameful game vs Kazak at the Jones Cup. Seigle just recovered from the hamstring injury he suffered in Belgrade and was supposed to suit up in the Manila Invitational, when he suffered yet another injury, a sprained ankle this time, in a practice game the other day. WTF is wrong with Danny? I thought he is Fil-Am? eh bakit mukhang made in Taiwan o China? tsk tsk tsk

Chadmack
07-13-2007, 01:02 AM
LOL :D ganyan talaga pag mga high fliers eh, talagang risks ang mainjured ang mga legs/feet. lalo na si DannyS na bumibigat ang timbang, mas malaki pressure sa legs nya.

Dapat conditioning ang pagpractice-an niya, wala namang doubt sa skills nya eh, pero yun na nga nde na rin sya bumabata at bugbog na katawan nya rin. tingnan mo nun si jordan, lalo na nung 2nd championship run nila, very focused sya sa conditioning kasi nga tumatanda na sya at bugbog na rin katawan nya. alam nyang very important yun otherwise, he would have suffered many injuries himself at ndi na sana sila naka pag champion nun.

JOM'S
07-13-2007, 02:09 AM
totoo kaya yang re-injury ni danny??

o baka sinasabayan lang natin to mga kalaban natin dito sa invitational???

yung pinadala ba ng china is teir Team B or C??

Lebanon not using Khatib??

i read that scouting is still going on, kahit yung chinese team after noong laban nila ... they scouted the game between us and lebanon...

Papa Ace
07-13-2007, 02:41 AM
yeah we should bring miller and seigle back. canaleta and menk might have to go. agree with counter that we need a big center besides asi.

the offensive rebounds (even the defensive) are killing us. whats actually keeping us in the games are our treys, which hopefully would carry on until the fiba championships. we cannot afford to trade baskets also.

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 05:04 AM
Ive just watched first two quarters of China RP game sa Manila Invitational. Puro baguhan halos yung team B ng China pero matatangkad, bata at mabibilis, Naunahan tayo at lumamang sila ng 11 points dahils sa excellent shooting at depensa. Pero sa 2nd qtr, hinigpitan natin yung depensa at binilisan ang laro so at half time 37 all ang score. Baka hindi ko na mapanuod yung rest of the game dahil may lakad ako hehehe. Pero tingin ko, this China team is not unbeatable gaya nung team A nila. Pag nasindak natin yung mga bagito with a more physical game, tingin ko may pagasa. Tinalo ng China yung Syria kahapon pero dalawa o apat lang lamang. Tinalo natin ang Lebanon by 4 points. Tinalo ng Lebanon ang Syria by 15 points! So kahit sa Lebanon may tulog pa tong China team B!

JOM'S
07-13-2007, 07:16 AM
sibak tayo uli sa china ....

nahabol na naman yung 10 point lead, umabante lang ang china sa last minute, sumablay si alapag ng dalawang FT only 1 point lead by china at that point 11 seconds to go ...

hindi pa rin makapag close ng maganda sa larong ***itan...

ps.

hindi pa rin naglaro sina danny, james at jayjay...

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 07:37 AM
sibak tayo uli sa china ....

nahabol na naman yung 10 point lead, umabante lang ang china sa last minute, sumablay si alapag ng dalawang FT only 1 point lead by china at that point 11 seconds to go ...

hindi pa rin makapag close ng maganda sa larong ***itan...

ps.

hindi pa rin naglaro sina danny, james at jayjay...

Tagilid talaga tayo pag close games, at yung free throws waterloo talaga natin. If its any consolation, we now know na hindi unbeatable ang China, pati Jordan at Iran sa Group of Death. But we also know that these teams can beat us, too! So dapat sa unang laban pa lang sa Japan, magpakamatay na ang RP Team sa intensity, depensa at opensa! there will be no tomorrow pag natalo tayo sa Group of Death.

JOM'S
07-13-2007, 08:19 AM
Tagilid talaga tayo pag close games, at yung free throws waterloo talaga natin. If its any consolation, we now know na hindi unbeatable ang China, pati Jordan at Iran sa Group of Death. But we also know that these teams can beat us, too! So dapat sa unang laban pa lang sa Japan, magpakamatay na ang RP Team sa intensity, depensa at opensa! there will be no tomorrow pag natalo tayo sa Group of Death.

yung nga maganda lahat ng kalaban natin sa group of death kaya natin, pero dapat lamangan na nila kaagad ng malaki at wag lamya-lamya sa laro para hindi na makahabol...

at tama ka tol pagdating sa japan patay kung patay dapat ang laro!!

*AKO PA HA!
07-13-2007, 09:05 AM
may pagasa pa ba ang pinas na magchampion o makapasok sa finals?

noypi2
07-13-2007, 12:09 PM
may pagasa pa ba ang pinas na magchampion o makapasok sa finals?

sa tingin ko Silver or Bronze. Pero sana maka silver para naman makalaro sila sa Olympics.

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 08:54 PM
may pagasa pa ba ang pinas na magchampion o makapasok sa finals?

considering the games we played vs Jordan, Iran & China lately, me pagasa tayo basta't all out agad from start to finish ang effort. I actually worry about Kazakshtan the most. If we get past Jordan, Iran & China in the elims, we might face Kazak in the crossover quarterfinals. We are 0-5 vs the Kazaks in the last six years! there seems to be a jinx and the Kazaks always play at their best when they play us! We dont intimidate them at all, and we seem to get hypnotized everytime we play them. I hope they get complacent in FIBA Japan and we surprise them. In the Jones Cup we finished 3rd, they were 2nd to last at 2w-7L slate. Their only wins? vs Japan and vs RP! Scary!

magicjordan
07-13-2007, 09:02 PM
considering the games we played vs Jordan, Iran & China lately, me pagasa tayo basta't all out agad from start to finish ang effort. I actually worry about Kazakshtan the most. If we get past Jordan, Iran & China in the elims, we might face Kazak in the crossover quarterfinals. We are 0-5 vs the Kazaks in the last six years! there seems to be a jinx and the Kazaks always play at their best when they play us! We dont intimidate them at all, and we seem to get hypnotized everytime we play them. I hope they get complacent in FIBA Japan and we surprise them. In the Jones Cup we finished 3rd, they were 2nd to last at 2w-7L slate. Their only wins? vs Japan and vs RP! Scary!
pareng counter anong channel ba pinapalabas ang games.na sa cable ba ito,tfc etc...**** post nga ang line-up ng RP team at kung kailan ang susunod na laro.maraming salamat..

kadyo
07-13-2007, 09:02 PM
considering the games we played vs Jordan, Iran & China lately, me pagasa tayo basta't all out agad from start to finish ang effort. I actually worry about Kazakshtan the most. If we get past Jordan, Iran & China in the elims, we might face Kazak in the crossover quarterfinals. We are 0-5 vs the Kazaks in the last six years! there seems to be a jinx and the Kazaks always play at their best when they play us! We dont intimidate them at all, and we seem to get hypnotized everytime we play them. I hope they get complacent in FIBA Japan and we surprise them. In the Jones Cup we finished 3rd, they were 2nd to last at 2w-7L slate. Their only wins? vs Japan and vs RP! Scary!synag tunay parang kontrapelo natin tong kazak. Walang gana yung nilaro nila at ganun din nung huli silang magkabanga saasian games fighting for third. Maputol sana ang malas at swertehin tayong makapasok sa second para magqualify sa olympic.

kadyo
07-13-2007, 09:05 PM
pareng counter anong channel ba pinapalabas ang games.na sa cable ba ito,tfc etc...**** post nga ang line-up ng RP team at kung kailan ang susunod na laro.maraming salamat..espn at abc yung jones cup pero yung manila invitational games ay sa abc lang.

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 09:23 PM
pareng counter anong channel ba pinapalabas ang games.na sa cable ba ito,tfc etc...**** post nga ang line-up ng RP team at kung kailan ang susunod na laro.maraming salamat..

Yung on going Manila Invitational pinapalabas dito sa Pinas sa ABC 5 every 4pm with replays 11pm. Not sure kung nasa TFC or ANC to. We play Syria today and if we win (and China beats Lebanon), we will play China again in the championship match.

Ang line up ngayon ng RP Team (pool pa rin, final line up will be announced after the Invitational):

Mark Caguioa
Jayjay Helterbrand
Jimmy Alapag
Ren Ren Ritualo
Asi Taulava
Mick Pennisi
Danny Seigle
Kerby Raymundo
Ranidel De Ocampo
Kelly Williams
Eric Menk
James Yap
Dondon Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
Tony Dela Cruz

If Chot Reyes will not kick out anyone from above, he will just need to name the 12 regulars and the 3 reserves from the above list. KG Canaleta was already stricken out of the list earlier.

kadyo
07-13-2007, 09:38 PM
http://www.asia-basket.com/PHI/Photos/nt07.jpg


Philippines National Team for William Jones Cup Tournament:
4 Mark Caguioa (188-G-79) of Barangay Ginebra Kings
5 James Yap (190-F/G-82) of Purefoods Chunkee Giants
6 Jimmy Alapag (178-G-77) of Talk N Text Phone Pals
7 Donaldo Hontiveros (188-G-77) of San Miguel Beer
8 Paulasi Taulava (206-C-73) of Talk N Text Phone Pals
9 Ranidel de Ocampo (195-F-81) of Air21 Express
10 Gabriel Norwood (196-G/F-85) of George Mason University (USA)
11 Michael Pennisi (204-F-75) of Red Bull Barako
12 Kerby Raymundo (200-C-80) of Purefoods Chunkee Giants
13 Anthony Helterbrand (183-G-76) of Barangay Ginebra Kings
14 Florendo Ritualo (188-G) of Talk N Text Phone Pals
15 Kelly Williams (196-F-82) of Santa Lucia Realty
Head coach: Vincent Reyes
Assistants: Salvador Castro , Raoul Racela

magicjordan
07-13-2007, 09:47 PM
http://www.asia-basket.com/PHI/Photos/nt07.jpg


Philippines National Team for William Jones Cup Tournament:
4 Mark Caguioa (188-G-79) of Barangay Ginebra Kings
5 James Yap (190-F/G-82) of Purefoods Chunkee Giants
6 Jimmy Alapag (178-G-77) of Talk N Text Phone Pals
7 Donaldo Hontiveros (188-G-77) of San Miguel Beer
8 Paulasi Taulava (206-C-73) of Talk N Text Phone Pals
9 Ranidel de Ocampo (195-F-81) of Air21 Express
10 Gabriel Norwood (196-G/F-85) of George Mason University (USA)
11 Michael Pennisi (204-F-75) of Red Bull Barako
12 Kerby Raymundo (200-C-80) of Purefoods Chunkee Giants
13 Anthony Helterbrand (183-G-76) of Barangay Ginebra Kings
14 Florendo Ritualo (188-G) of Talk N Text Phone Pals
15 Kelly Williams (196-F-82) of Santa Lucia Realty
Head coach: Vincent Reyes
Assistants: Salvador Castro , Raoul Racela
nakalimutan mo ang height pareng kadyo.lol

kadyo
07-13-2007, 09:51 PM
nakalimutan mo ang height pareng kadyo.lolheight nila in centimeters yang unang numbers inside the parenthesis. Ikaw na bahalang mag convert by dividing by 2.54 tapos divided by 12 at kunin mo yung remainder para sa inches haha!!

BANGKO PILIPINO
07-13-2007, 10:00 PM
height nila in centimeters yang unang numbers inside the parenthesis. Ikaw na bahalang mag convert by dividing by 2.54 tapos divided by 12 at kunin mo yung remainder para sa inches haha!!
LOL! akala ko weight nila iyon.hehehe so ang pinaka malaki natin si asi taulava o si ocampo?

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 10:16 PM
height nila in centimeters yang unang numbers inside the parenthesis. Ikaw na bahalang mag convert by dividing by 2.54 tapos divided by 12 at kunin mo yung remainder para sa inches haha!!

yung butal x 12 di ba prof? putsa math pa rin!

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 10:17 PM
LOL! akala ko weight nila iyon.hehehe so ang pinaka malaki natin si asi taulava o si ocampo?

si asi 6'9", pennisi 6'9",ocampo 6'8" (mali yata yung record), raymundo 6'7" more or less. yung kay gabe mukhang kay enrico villanueva yun ah!

magicjordan
07-13-2007, 10:25 PM
si feihl hindi na ba naglalaro?sayang ang laki ano?nag-improve ba siya?

Counter Puncher
07-13-2007, 10:44 PM
si feihl hindi na ba naglalaro?sayang ang laki ano?nag-improve ba siya?

malaki nga pero di makatalon at mabagal. wala ring gamit. pang display lang more than anything else. Same with Aquino.

kadyo
07-13-2007, 10:56 PM
LOL! akala ko weight nila iyon.hehehe so ang pinaka malaki natin si asi taulava o si ocampo?si taulava ang pinakamalaki pero me kapatid yang si ranidel na mas matangkad kaya lang medyo malambot ng konti.





yung butal x 12 di ba prof? putsa math pa rin!
Korek kaya halimbawa yung ke taulava 206 cm divided by 2.54 is 81.102365 inches at divided ulit by 12 is 6.7585302 minus 6 is .7585302 times 12 is 9.1023622 kaya si taulava ay 6'9" haha!!!

chito
07-14-2007, 01:02 AM
bakit kaya matatangkad ang mga chinese?

JOM'S
07-14-2007, 05:12 AM
considering the games we played vs Jordan, Iran & China lately, me pagasa tayo basta't all out agad from start to finish ang effort. I actually worry about Kazakshtan the most. If we get past Jordan, Iran & China in the elims, we might face Kazak in the crossover quarterfinals. We are 0-5 vs the Kazaks in the last six years! there seems to be a jinx and the Kazaks always play at their best when they play us! We dont intimidate them at all, and we seem to get hypnotized everytime we play them. I hope they get complacent in FIBA Japan and we surprise them. In the Jones Cup we finished 3rd, they were 2nd to last at 2w-7L slate. Their only wins? vs Japan and vs RP! Scary!

nagtataka lang ako sa kontra pelo na yan ...

yung team ni jaworski yang kazak ang unang pinadapa nila sa Asian Games, medyo pahirapan pero mahigit sampu din yung lamang ...

naniniwala akong mas malakas na ang NT since noong centennial team hangang itong current NT kesa doon sa team ni jaworski, mas may puso lang yung paglalaro nila noon...

AIR_KENG
07-14-2007, 05:30 AM
team b lang china yung pinadala dito sa Pinas, tama ba? Kasi nanood din ako ng european championships kagabi, live, nung tinambakan ng US ang china... nalilito na ako...

JOM'S
07-14-2007, 05:38 AM
team b lang china yung pinadala dito sa Pinas, tama ba? Kasi nanood din ako ng european championships kagabi, live, nung tinambakan ng US ang china... nalilito na ako...

yup, Team B yung naglalaro sa Pinas at mag represent sa China sa FIBA-Asia...

sa ngayon kung tayo at rest of asia ang pinaghahandaan natin ay para sa olympic qualifier and china naghahanda na sila para sa olympics mismo...

AIR_KENG
07-14-2007, 05:46 AM
yup, Team B yung naglalaro sa Pinas at mag represent sa China sa FIBA-Asia...

sa ngayon kung tayo at rest of asia ang pinaghahandaan natin ay para sa olympic qualifier and china naghahanda na sila para sa olympics mismo...
ok... kasi yung nakita kong team sa european championships mukhang di kaya ng pinas... natambakan nga sila ng US pero US yun...

Counter Puncher
07-14-2007, 10:06 AM
team b lang china yung pinadala dito sa Pinas, tama ba? Kasi nanood din ako ng european championships kagabi, live, nung tinambakan ng US ang china... nalilito na ako...

Yung nasa TV na Fiba na napanood mo ay FIBA World Championships for 19 under ! Hindi Men's Championships.

noypi2
07-14-2007, 10:52 PM
yup, Team B yung naglalaro sa Pinas at mag represent sa China sa FIBA-Asia...

sa ngayon kung tayo at rest of asia ang pinaghahandaan natin ay para sa olympic qualifier and china naghahanda na sila para sa olympics mismo...

Dito ngayon sa NBA Summer league naglalaro yung National team ng China. Sa pagkakaalam ko may tinalo na silang NBA summer league team.

Counter Puncher
07-15-2007, 12:06 AM
Dito ngayon sa NBA Summer league naglalaro yung National team ng China. Sa pagkakaalam ko may tinalo na silang NBA summer league team.

Ang alam ko tinalo sila ng Dallas pero 5 points lang! astig!

Counter Puncher
07-15-2007, 12:13 AM
Tinalo natin Syria sa Manila Invitational 92-79 (lebanon beat Syria previously by 35 points!) Pero Tinalo ng Lebanon China 77-71 (China beat us by four, We beat Lebanon by 4), so via superior quotient, we play Lebanon again in finals instead of China (we didnt want that, we wanted to play China again sana so our chances of beating them in Japan increases) On the other hand, this just tells us that if we can beat lebanon, we can also beat China. Hmmm, sabi ng coach ng Lebanon, if we do the right things, we can even top the so called Group of Death, and even the FIBA Asia in Japan. Plausible, possible, but...we have a tendency to beat ourselves, then get beaten by the opposing team afterwards, then lose!

flipside
07-15-2007, 12:50 AM
Tinalo natin Syria sa Manila Invitational 92-79 (lebanon beat Syria previously by 35 points!) Pero Tinalo ng Lebanon China 77-71 (China beat us by four, We beat Lebanon by 4), so via superior quotient, we play Lebanon again in finals instead of China (we didnt want that, we wanted to play China again sana so our chances of beating them in Japan increases) On the other hand, this just tells us that if we can beat lebanon, we can also beat China. Hmmm, sabi ng coach ng Lebanon, if we do the right things, we can even top the so called Group of Death, and even the FIBA Asia in Japan. Plausible, possible, but...we have a tendency to beat ourselves, then get beaten by the opposing team afterwards, then lose!
dapat ang mga player mataas ang drive to succeed

Papa Ace
07-15-2007, 01:35 AM
amputa dapat ibalik na si danny seigle masyadong nang matagal ang pagkakatago :lol1:

kadyo
07-15-2007, 03:09 AM
Ang ganda ng nilaro ng RP team kagabi. Sana ganito lagi ang diskarte nila para makapasok sa olympic.

Counter Puncher
07-15-2007, 06:16 AM
Ang ganda ng nilaro ng RP team kagabi. Sana ganito lagi ang diskarte nila para makapasok sa olympic.

Tinalo ng Syria ang China for third place sa manila invitational. This is a good sign na kaya talagang talunin ang China sa Group of Death.

Counter Puncher
07-15-2007, 06:20 AM
he he he sino nagbago ng name ng thread na to? sabagay di na Jones Cup pinaguusapan dito. At di na tayo masyadong nagkakalat tulad dati.

Counter Puncher
07-15-2007, 06:43 AM
Yesss! We beat Lebanon again to win Manila Invitational. 87-81. No end game meltdown this time which is a good sign. And what better way to end our final game preparation for Japan than on a high note! I hope we bring this momentum to Japan.

JOM'S
07-15-2007, 07:57 AM
Congrats Team Pilipinas!!

sino sino na nasa final 12? yung mga reerve ba sasama din sa japan??

saka ano yung masasabi nyo sa bagong development na may import ang Japan na lalaro sa qualifier 6'8" ex NBA Grizlies??

AIR_KENG
07-15-2007, 10:42 AM
Yung nasa TV na Fiba na napanood mo ay FIBA World Championships for 19 under ! Hindi Men's Championships.
mwahahahaha... ganun ba? di ko nakita :D

for all its worth ok na rin ang performance ng rp team considering they had very short time to prepare...

AIR_KENG
07-15-2007, 10:45 AM
Congrats Team Pilipinas!!

sino sino na nasa final 12? yung mga reerve ba sasama din sa japan??

saka ano yung masasabi nyo sa bagong development na may import ang Japan na lalaro sa qualifier 6'8" ex NBA Grizlies??
yun din inaabangan ko, yung final line-up ni chot... before friday siguro meron na kasi may laban ulit against kuwait...

Papa Ace
07-15-2007, 11:57 PM
he he he sino nagbago ng name ng thread na to? sabagay di na Jones Cup pinaguusapan dito. At di na tayo masyadong nagkakalat tulad dati.

hehehe nirequest natin ke boss kadyo eh :p maganda nilaro natin against lebanon at least di na tayo nagcocollapse which is a good sign.

Counter Puncher
07-16-2007, 12:38 AM
hehehe nirequest natin ke boss kadyo eh :p maganda nilaro natin against lebanon at least di na tayo nagcocollapse which is a good sign.

Ganun ba? i request mo ulit - palitan na lang ng "Team Pilipinas-Road to Beijing"

Papa Ace
07-16-2007, 12:41 AM
Ganun ba? i request mo ulit - palitan na lang ng "Team Pilipinas-Road to Beijing"

:haha: parang yan yung title sa channel 5 ah :lol1:... paging boss kadyo hehehehe

Papa Ace
07-16-2007, 01:06 AM
:omfg: team china beating the cavaliers !!!

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Papa Ace
07-16-2007, 01:09 AM
etong kelangan natin gawin para manalo sa team A ng china :sad:

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Counter Puncher
07-16-2007, 05:31 AM
[QUOTE=Papa Ace;2519419]:omfg: team china beating the cavaliers !!!

First of all this is the summer team and not the real deal Cavs. They made a mistake of playing China's pace and shooting it out with them unlike what the Knicks did in the next video, where they played speed and transition offense.

Counter Puncher
07-16-2007, 05:33 AM
etong kelangan natin gawin para manalo sa team A ng china :sad:

If ever we make it past Tokushima using our speed and shooting, we may be able to put up with China Team A, basta wala lang si Yao Ming.

JOM'S
07-16-2007, 05:42 AM
If ever we make it past Tokushima using our speed and shooting, we may be able to put up with China Team A, basta wala lang si Yao Ming.

even with yao ming bro, if our shooting clicks for 4 quarters and a PERFECT GAME, we have a shot ...

JOM'S
07-16-2007, 05:45 AM
dagdag pa yung kumbinasyon ng suwerte natin at malas ng china ...

AIR_KENG
07-16-2007, 02:28 PM
nabasa nyo ba yung article sa star kung sino ang probable players na pasok sa team??? nagulat lang ako na si renren at james ang naglalaban for the LAST SPOT! seriously, kino-consider nila si menk at pennisi over yap and ritualo? di ata ako sang ayon dun...

kadyo
07-16-2007, 08:14 PM
he he he sino nagbago ng name ng thread na to? sabagay di na Jones Cup pinaguusapan dito. At di na tayo masyadong nagkakalat tulad dati.Ay nakalimutan kong sabihin sayo padi. Sorry. Nirequest yan ni ace para positive daw ang aura at swertehin tayo sa japan.

Counter Puncher
07-17-2007, 12:31 AM
nabasa nyo ba yung article sa star kung sino ang probable players na pasok sa team??? nagulat lang ako na si renren at james ang naglalaban for the LAST SPOT! seriously, kino-consider nila si menk at pennisi over yap and ritualo? di ata ako sang ayon dun...

Nabasa ko rin, at shoo in daw si Hontiveros! Ogag talaga yang si Chot! Now we really need a lot of luck to win in Japan.

Counter Puncher
07-17-2007, 12:33 AM
Ay nakalimutan kong sabihin sayo padi. Sorry. Nirequest yan ni ace para positive daw ang aura at swertehin tayo sa japan.

Waray iton padi. Ok la! I even suggested na palitan ulit at gawing "Team Pilipinas - Road to Beijing"

chito
07-17-2007, 01:00 AM
RP TEAM TO BEIJING?

pag palaging ganun laro ni caguioa at alapag. paano na lang kung hindi, may option ba tayong iba? si seigle ba ay 100% fit & ready?

JOM'S
07-17-2007, 02:05 AM
tol saan yung link ng list of players??

hindi nako nagtataka kung si ren ren at si yap ang naglalaban sa isang spot, matagal ng pinaguusapan yan at hindi talaga yata uubra na parehas silang dalawa nasa team...

kung ipapasok parehas si renren at yap sino sa malaki ang kailangan tangalin??

si Mick Penissi, Kerby Raymundo, Ranidel De Ocampo, Erik Menk, Tony Dela Cruz o kundi naman si Hontiveros kaya??

Papa Ace
07-17-2007, 04:00 AM
nabasa nyo ba yung article sa star kung sino ang probable players na pasok sa team??? nagulat lang ako na si renren at james ang naglalaban for the LAST SPOT! seriously, kino-consider nila si menk at pennisi over yap and ritualo? di ata ako sang ayon dun...

anak ng tupa... bakit ganun? sana naman di totoo... im a big erik menk fan but he has to go. oo a kailangan natin ng malaki pero sa nilalaro nya the past 14 games eh walang kalatoy latoy. ive counted mga 5 times syang nag-turnover sa mga limitadong nialro nya. ni wala pa yatang 10 points o rebounds nagawa nya sa stretch na yun eh.

yun nga lang mas gwapo at matipuno sya kesa kay renren at james, kaya cguro nagdecide si chot na .... :ugh:

kadyo
07-18-2007, 08:23 PM
Waray iton padi. Ok la! I even suggested na palitan ulit at gawing "Team Pilipinas - Road to Beijing"Request granted padi.

lbd_2005
07-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Request granted padi.

hoist...asa naka?

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 01:23 AM
anak ng tupa... bakit ganun? sana naman di totoo... im a big erik menk fan but he has to go. oo a kailangan natin ng malaki pero sa nilalaro nya the past 14 games eh walang kalatoy latoy. ive counted mga 5 times syang nag-turnover sa mga limitadong nialro nya. ni wala pa yatang 10 points o rebounds nagawa nya sa stretch na yun eh.

yun nga lang mas gwapo at matipuno sya kesa kay renren at james, kaya cguro nagdecide si chot na .... :ugh:


team pilipinas badly needed a body inside the paint. having asi taulava alone in the team is a big no no.. what if he's into foul trouble?? who would man the paint?? nada... so i guess the choice of having erik menk inluded in the team is correct.. u cant send a team with only one center.. if you noticed team pilipinas is not into post up plays.. the role of asi taulava and maybe erik menk is to play defense.. menk's offensive prowess is not really needed in the team. they needed him to back asi up.:banana:

flipside
07-19-2007, 01:27 AM
team pilipinas badly needed a body inside the paint. having asi taulava alone in the team is a big no no.. what if he's into foul trouble?? who would man the paint?? nada... so i guess the choice of having erik menk inluded in the team is correct.. u cant send a team with only one center.. if you noticed team pilipinas is not into post up plays.. the role of asi taulava and maybe erik menk is to play defense.. menk's offensive prowess is not really needed in the team. they needed him to back asi up.:banana:
hindi nga siya napapalaro e. dapat si enrico na lang tlga para suntukan na lang.

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 01:32 AM
Nabasa ko rin, at shoo in daw si Hontiveros! Ogag talaga yang si Chot! Now we really need a lot of luck to win in Japan.

pare tanong ko lang, whats wrong with hontiveros?? yung sabi mo na nagkamali sya sa jones cup na tinira nya at nagmintis??

what will you do pare if you had the ball... 10 seconds to go the ballgame is tied and then you had an open shot??

lbd_2005
07-19-2007, 01:35 AM
hindi nga siya napapalaro e. dapat si enrico na lang tlga para suntukan na lang.

bro, mukhang boxing gusto mo di basketball....hehehehee..si manny pacquiao nalang para maganda ang laban....

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 01:37 AM
hindi nga siya napapalaro e. dapat si enrico na lang tlga para suntukan na lang.

enrico villanueva wasnt been heard as a good defender.. and one more thing he's a small 6 foot 5 compared to menk.

flipside
07-19-2007, 01:50 AM
enrico villanueva wasnt been heard as a good defender.. and one more thing he's a small 6 foot 5 compared to menk.
enrico plays much more intensely than menk these days. prang walang motivation si menk.

JOM'S
07-19-2007, 02:26 AM
pare tanong ko lang, whats wrong with hontiveros?? yung sabi mo na nagkamali sya sa jones cup na tinira nya at nagmintis??

what will you do pare if you had the ball... 10 seconds to go the ballgame is tied and then you had an open shot??

nababasa ko sa pacland na essential si hontiveros sa team for his perimeter defense, kaya he safe sa final line up ...

hindi ko napanood yang game na yan pero kung nakagawa ng magandang play ang coach at tied pa ang laban and 10 seconds to go, tamang play is to play the clock ang go for the last shot pag shoot panalo, pag sumablay OT...

kung walang time out at walang play alam na dapat ng mga players kung ano ang role nila, kung sino ang first, 2nd o third option nila to score ...

yung ke hontiveros kung pumasok tira nya it was a GOOD move kaso sumablay kaya it turn out to be a BAD move and should have play the clock for a higher percentage shot... slim difference between hero of the game and goat...

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 04:34 AM
nababasa ko sa pacland na essential si hontiveros sa team for his perimeter defense, kaya he safe sa final line up ...

hindi ko napanood yang game na yan pero kung nakagawa ng magandang play ang coach at tied pa ang laban and 10 seconds to go, tamang play is to play the clock ang go for the last shot pag shoot panalo, pag sumablay OT...

kung walang time out at walang play alam na dapat ng mga players kung ano ang role nila, kung sino ang first, 2nd o third option nila to score ...

yung ke hontiveros kung pumasok tira nya it was a GOOD move kaso sumablay kaya it turn out to be a BAD move and should have play the clock for a higher percentage shot... slim difference between hero of the game and goat...

yeah korek pare... hontiveros, is a two in 1 package actually, he's an offensive threat that can play good perimeter defense.


HOntiveros has been a shooter in his entire basketball career...every shooter kasi pare may parang batas na sinusunod yan eh.. once ur open u should take the shot there's no such thing as a bad shot when ur open. its an unwritten rule in basketball yan pre.. and one more thing, statistically wise pare which has the higher percentage of winning??? playing the clock or taking the open shot??

:banana:

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 04:37 AM
enrico plays much more intensely than menk these days. prang walang motivation si menk.

maybe ur correct but i still prefer menk dre...his past experiences in the past asian games will help the team.:cop:

JOM'S
07-19-2007, 10:10 AM
yeah korek pare... hontiveros, is a two in 1 package actually, he's an offensive threat that can play good perimeter defense.

HOntiveros has been a shooter in his entire basketball career...every shooter kasi pare may parang batas na sinusunod yan eh.. once ur open u should take the shot there's no such thing as a bad shot when ur open. its an unwritten rule in basketball yan pre.. and one more thing, statistically wise pare which has the higher percentage of winning??? playing the clock or taking the open shot??

:banana:

he he tol yung "bad shot" when your OPEN is when you MISS the shot ... its a big no no, lalo pa game deciding shot...

agree ako sa shooters code na to take the shot when open at tama lang yung shooters mentality ng mga players natin, in fact dapat lahat ng players sa loob should have that mentality, alam naman nila kung anong tira kaya nila at one of them has to take that shot...

dying seconds of a tied ball game, kailangan maishoot mo na kaagad a bola and go back quickly in defense, tingin ko statistically 50-50 yung winning percentage ng taking the open shot at playing the clock...

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 10:27 AM
Request granted padi.

damo nga salamat padi!

flipside
07-19-2007, 10:45 AM
maybe ur correct but i still prefer menk dre...his past experiences in the past asian games will help the team.:cop:
e kung experience lang e kay adducul na ako. abc all-star pa yan college pa lang

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 10:51 AM
pare tanong ko lang, whats wrong with hontiveros?? yung sabi mo na nagkamali sya sa jones cup na tinira nya at nagmintis??

what will you do pare if you had the ball... 10 seconds to go the ballgame is tied and then you had an open shot??

Well, all is not wrong with Hontiveros per se. All I am saying is as a whole, Yap & Ritualo proved to be more steady & valuable contribution to the team than Dondon based on the Jones Cup performance, so why put these guys at the last spot? As for the Lebanon boo-boo, it wasn't about making or missing the shot. It's about when to take the shot. Before that shot, the Lebanese overcame a six point lead in matter of seconds because their 3 point shots were suddenly falling. So to take a hurried shot (open shot, yes, but too hurried he took it like a turn around shot at the 3 point line) and give the other team a full 7 seconds to shoot is unforgivable samantalang tabla-panalo dapat ang sitwasyon. Ang nangyari, talo! And when lightning struck twice vs Japan just the following day, it was Dondon again who made the last second booboo when he made a poor pass that was intercepted and converted into a basket by Japan with no time left. He is good but he melts down when games are close, which will be the way in Japan for sure. He surely makes me nervous down the stretch more than anybody else in that team. Consider the ESPN sportscaster's unbiased remark in the end game vs Korea (i think), which also went down the wire, and when Dondon was melting down again. He said (more or less)" coach Reyes should take him out now before strange things happen again!" And when Chot took him out, he said that's the right move, and guess what, we won!

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 10:57 AM
he he tol yung "bad shot" when your OPEN is when you MISS the shot ... its a big no no, lalo pa game deciding shot...

agree ako sa shooters code na to take the shot when open at tama lang yung shooters mentality ng mga players natin, in fact dapat lahat ng players sa loob should have that mentality, alam naman nila kung anong tira kaya nila at one of them has to take that shot...

dying seconds of a tied ball game, kailangan maishoot mo na kaagad a bola and go back quickly in defense, tingin ko statistically 50-50 yung winning percentage ng taking the open shot at playing the clock...

The end game booboo vs Lebanon wasnt about statistics, it was about playing it smart. And Im sorry but what Dondon did there was not the smartest of things, he hehe!

flipside
07-19-2007, 10:57 AM
Well, all is not wrong with Hontiveros per se. All I am saying is as a whole, Yap & Ritualo proved to be more steady & valuable contribution to the team than Dondon based on the Jones Cup performance, so why put these guys at the last spot? As for the Lebanon boo-boo, it wasn't about making or missing the shot. It's about when to take the shot. Before that shot, the Lebanese overcame a six point lead in matter of seconds because their 3 point shots were suddenly falling. So to take a hurried shot (open shot, yes, but too hurried he took it like a turn around shot at the 3 point line) and give the other team a full 7 seconds to shoot is unforgivable samantalang tabla-panalo dapat ang sitwasyon. Ang nangyari, talo! And when lightning struck twice vs Japan just the following day, it was Dondon again who made the last second booboo when he made a poor pass that was intercepted and converted into a basket by Japan with no time left. He is good but he melts down when games are close, which will be the way in Japan for sure. He surely makes me nervous down the stretch more than anybody else in that team. Consider the ESPN sportscaster's unbiased remark in the end game vs Korea, which also went down the wire, and when Dondon was melting down again. He said (more or less)" coach Reyes should take him out now before strange things happen again!" And when Chot took him out, he said that's the right move, and guess what, we won!
boss nanuud ka ba ng UAAP?

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 10:59 AM
e kung experience lang e kay adducul na ako. abc all-star pa yan college pa lang

I agree...

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 11:01 AM
enrico plays much more intensely than menk these days. prang walang motivation si menk.

That's right, pero i think mas disciplined kasi si menk, saka mas pogi...ahahahah!

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 11:02 AM
boss nanuud ka ba ng UAAP?

di gaano. wala rin kasing gana pag di mo kilala yung mga naglalaro eh.

flipside
07-19-2007, 11:02 AM
That's right, pero i think mas disciplined kasi si menk, saka mas pogi...ahahahah!
bakla ahihi :D

flipside
07-19-2007, 11:03 AM
di gaano. wala rin kasing gana pag di mo kilala yung mga naglalaro eh.
panuudin mo bata ko boss jervy cruz :D benjie paras na alvin patrimonio

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 11:06 AM
But in fairness to Dondon also, he has improved since his booboos... maybe he realized them. He played relatively better in the Manila Invitational but kabado pa rin ako kung aalisin si Yap or RenRen in his favor.

Counter Puncher
07-19-2007, 11:07 AM
panuudin mo bata ko boss jervy cruz :D benjie paras na alvin patrimonio

anong team? ano height nya?

JOM'S
07-19-2007, 12:06 PM
grabe naman pagkasikreto ng team pilipinas biro mo sa EVE pa ng FIBA malalaman final line up natin ...

flipside
07-19-2007, 06:20 PM
anong team? ano height nya?
6'3" lang boss pero halimaw sa loob

flipside
07-19-2007, 06:20 PM
But in fairness to Dondon also, he has improved since his booboos... maybe he realized them. He played relatively better in the Manila Invitational but kabado pa rin ako kung aalisin si Yap or RenRen in his favor.
renren is the best pure shooter in the team hands down.

lbd_2005
07-19-2007, 08:37 PM
mga bros, magpray nalang tayo na kong sino man ang mainclude ng final line up sana yong mga talo nila sa jones cup di na mauulit yon...will trust them nalang...GO PHILIPPINES GO

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 09:05 PM
he he tol yung "bad shot" when your OPEN is when you MISS the shot ... its a big no no, lalo pa game deciding shot...

agree ako sa shooters code na to take the shot when open at tama lang yung shooters mentality ng mga players natin, in fact dapat lahat ng players sa loob should have that mentality, alam naman nila kung anong tira kaya nila at one of them has to take that shot...

dying seconds of a tied ball game, kailangan maishoot mo na kaagad a bola and go back quickly in defense, tingin ko statistically 50-50 yung winning percentage ng taking the open shot at playing the clock...

paragraph 1 and 2 sa post mo pre, parang di nagka coincide. hehehehehe

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 09:15 PM
Well, all is not wrong with Hontiveros per se. All I am saying is as a whole, Yap & Ritualo proved to be more steady & valuable contribution to the team than Dondon based on the Jones Cup performance, so why put these guys at the last spot? As for the Lebanon boo-boo, it wasn't about making or missing the shot. It's about when to take the shot. Before that shot, the Lebanese overcame a six point lead in matter of seconds because their 3 point shots were suddenly falling. So to take a hurried shot (open shot, yes, but too hurried he took it like a turn around shot at the 3 point line) and give the other team a full 7 seconds to shoot is unforgivable samantalang tabla-panalo dapat ang sitwasyon. Ang nangyari, talo! And when lightning struck twice vs Japan just the following day, it was Dondon again who made the last second booboo when he made a poor pass that was intercepted and converted into a basket by Japan with no time left. He is good but he melts down when games are close, which will be the way in Japan for sure. He surely makes me nervous down the stretch more than anybody else in that team. Consider the ESPN sportscaster's unbiased remark in the end game vs Korea (i think), which also went down the wire, and when Dondon was melting down again. He said (more or less)" coach Reyes should take him out now before strange things happen again!" And when Chot took him out, he said that's the right move, and guess what, we won!

i cant really comment kasi di ko napanood yung game..LOL pero a couple of games of blunders cant evaluate a players performance really. everybody commits mistake, even michael jordan had those errors in his careers...

and yes ritualo and yap suck on perimeter defense hehehehe!!!

ll cool j
07-19-2007, 09:24 PM
e kung experience lang e kay adducul na ako. abc all-star pa yan college pa lang

my point really is to have a back up center and thats that.. and its safe to say that a back up center is much more needed than a ritualo and a yap.. providing shooters like hontiveros, seigle are already in the team..:banana:

noypi2
07-20-2007, 12:17 AM
Yeah,hindi pwedeng puro offense, mas lalong mahihirapan sila pag ***itan ang laban.

chito
07-20-2007, 12:58 AM
grabe naman pagkasikreto ng team pilipinas biro mo sa EVE pa ng FIBA malalaman final line up natin ...

palagay ko dahil kay danny seigle to kaya natatagalan ang pagpili sa final line-up.

chito
07-20-2007, 01:07 AM
he he tol yung "bad shot" when your OPEN is when you MISS the shot ... its a big no no, lalo pa game deciding shot...

agree ako sa shooters code na to take the shot when open at tama lang yung shooters mentality ng mga players natin, in fact dapat lahat ng players sa loob should have that mentality, alam naman nila kung anong tira kaya nila at one of them has to take that shot...

dying seconds of a tied ball game, kailangan maishoot mo na kaagad a bola and go back quickly in defense, tingin ko statistically 50-50 yung winning percentage ng taking the open shot at playing the clock...

there's no rule in taking shots. di naman parang movies tong basketball eh, di ba may movie nga i think hoosiers ang title nun, this coach played by hackman was enforcing the rule to take shots only after passing the ball four times, di naman pwedeng ganun lang palagi. take for example mark caguioa, he's more of a streak shooter, when he's hot he could take that 3 even in a situation when lamang kayo 3 to 1 sa breaks.

chito
07-20-2007, 01:15 AM
Well, all is not wrong with Hontiveros per se. All I am saying is as a whole, Yap & Ritualo proved to be more steady & valuable contribution to the team than Dondon based on the Jones Cup performance, so why put these guys at the last spot? As for the Lebanon boo-boo, it wasn't about making or missing the shot. It's about when to take the shot. Before that shot, the Lebanese overcame a six point lead in matter of seconds because their 3 point shots were suddenly falling. So to take a hurried shot (open shot, yes, but too hurried he took it like a turn around shot at the 3 point line) and give the other team a full 7 seconds to shoot is unforgivable samantalang tabla-panalo dapat ang sitwasyon. Ang nangyari, talo! And when lightning struck twice vs Japan just the following day, it was Dondon again who made the last second booboo when he made a poor pass that was intercepted and converted into a basket by Japan with no time left. He is good but he melts down when games are close, which will be the way in Japan for sure. He surely makes me nervous down the stretch more than anybody else in that team. Consider the ESPN sportscaster's unbiased remark in the end game vs Korea (i think), which also went down the wire, and when Dondon was melting down again. He said (more or less)" coach Reyes should take him out now before strange things happen again!" And when Chot took him out, he said that's the right move, and guess what, we won!

i bet you had taken a shot before in a dying seconds of a ball game ano? if you feel like you could sink that basket and you got good looks, di ba it's just understandable if you would take that shot. kung mintis, ala ka ng magagawa dun.

flipside
07-20-2007, 01:23 AM
my point really is to have a back up center and thats that.. and its safe to say that a back up center is much more needed than a ritualo and a yap.. providing shooters like hontiveros, seigle are already in the team..:banana:
alisin si dondon at ipasok si renren. si adducul na lang kesa si menk for me.

JOM'S
07-20-2007, 01:34 AM
paragraph 1 and 2 sa post mo pre, parang di nagka coincide. hehehehehe

he he ano hindi nag match tol? sa akin lang, all star team ang NT natin so dapat lahat ng players sa court has the shooters mentality, pero bukod sa mentalidad na shoot ng shoot they should make sure na bawat bitaw nila sigurado ...

tulad ng mga una ko ng post slim difference between hero of the game at goat, and it takes a good player to take that responsibility...

JOM'S
07-20-2007, 01:35 AM
mga bros, magpray nalang tayo na kong sino man ang mainclude ng final line up sana yong mga talo nila sa jones cup di na mauulit yon...will trust them nalang...GO PHILIPPINES GO

i totally agree with you bro !!

GO TEAM PILIPINAS GO!!!

JOM'S
07-20-2007, 01:42 AM
there's no rule in taking shots. di naman parang movies tong basketball eh, di ba may movie nga i think hoosiers ang title nun, this coach played by hackman was enforcing the rule to take shots only after passing the ball four times, di naman pwedeng ganun lang palagi. take for example mark caguioa, he's more of a streak shooter, when he's hot he could take that 3 even in a situation when lamang kayo 3 to 1 sa breaks.

thats true na wala namang rule sa shooting pero sa "end game" my mga basic plays na i am sure pina-practice ang isang team, at any given situation isa doon ilalatag ng coach ...

JOM'S
07-20-2007, 01:46 AM
palagay ko dahil kay danny seigle to kaya natatagalan ang pagpili sa final line-up.

yung pinagpipilian ba na lang ng coach yung 16 0 15-man pool??

lahat sila lilipad sa japan doon na lang ilalabas yung final line up??

Counter Puncher
07-20-2007, 02:28 AM
i cant really comment kasi di ko napanood yung game..LOL pero a couple of games of blunders cant evaluate a players performance really. everybody commits mistake, even michael jordan had those errors in his careers...

and yes ritualo and yap suck on perimeter defense hehehehe!!!

of course nobody's perfect. but for me, those mistakes that Dondon made, especially in these games that are meant to "finally" evaluate them kuno, are glaring enough to put his readiness (not ability) in doubt. And mind you, I'm not just talking about the Lebanon & Japan boo-boos (check my previous posts again). since I've watched all the games (even covered some them in real time, he hehe), some of them twice (via replays), I can tell you Dondon sucked more in defense! Some of them in the end games, unnecessarily putting the other team on the stripes! It was his sloppy defense that actually prompted the comment of the ESPN sportscaster that he should be taken out of the game. Dondon got a lot of playing time than anybody else in the team, but it was the bench players like Ritualo & Yap (who is a new addition) who delivered better within a limited playing time. I'm not a fan of neither Yap nor Ritualo. In fact I'm a San Miguel nuthugger, hahaha. But this is no PBA. This is the real stuff! Only for real guys, not cute guys!

Counter Puncher
07-20-2007, 02:30 AM
yung pinagpipilian ba na lang ng coach yung 16 0 15-man pool??

lahat sila lilipad sa japan doon na lang ilalabas yung final line up??

Lahat ng 15-man pool lilipad sa Japan. But on the eve of the Games, three will be listed as reserves.

lbd_2005
07-20-2007, 02:34 AM
i totally agree with you bro !!

GO TEAM PILIPINAS GO!!!

thanks bro...alam niyo tama kayo lahat nong binasa ko tong thread na to mula pa sa simula nakita ko na kailangan talaga natin irerespeto kong anong gusto ni chot reyes na magcomposed sa final 12 para mas maganda ang laro nila support nalang tayo kasi makakaapekto yon sa laro nila kong mabalitaan nila na maraming di sangayon lalong lalo na kapag pumalpak...iba2x kasi ang pananaw natin sa buhay iba2x ang maging decision natin at iba2x din ang mga plano kong papano tayo makapunta sa gusto nating puntahan but sometimes kailangang irerespeto natin ang isatisa lalong lalo na sa sports at lalong lalo na sa team sports...ako bro gustong gusto ko si honteveros im an avid fan of him pero sa pinapakita niya sa mga laro niya lalong lalo na sa end game na close yong game madaling mataranta si honteveros...kaya kong ano man ang decision ng coach at sana kong sino man ang pipiliin ng coach na maglaro di na sila magpanic ng basta basta nalang....di ba bros?

MANALO MATALO GO PHILIPPINES GO...LETS SUPPORT TEAM PHILIPPINES

Counter Puncher
07-20-2007, 02:35 AM
my point really is to have a back up center and thats that.. and its safe to say that a back up center is much more needed than a ritualo and a yap.. providing shooters like hontiveros, seigle are already in the team..:banana:

I agree with you on the Asi back up. In fact I've already posted previously that another Asi is key to victory. Hontiveros is a shooter, but he loses his grip in the face of animosity. Seigle is key, but is never healthy. I just hope that the improvement Dondon showed lately in the Manila Invitational would continue and wish that he have his breakout game in Japan. If not, I'd shoot Chot Reyes after killing him. hehehe

Counter Puncher
07-20-2007, 02:42 AM
thanks bro...alam niyo tama kayo lahat nong binasa ko tong thread na to mula pa sa simula nakita ko na kailangan talaga natin irerespeto kong anong gusto ni chot reyes na magcomposed sa final 12 para mas maganda ang laro nila...kasi makakaapekto yon sa laro nila kong mabalitaan nila na maraming di sangayon lalong lalo na kapag pumalpak...

MANALO MATALO GO PHILIPPINES GO...LETS SUPPORT TEAM PHILIPPINES

syempre naman. all out support tayo. pero we should keep in mind that we dont get this shot everyday. so we should field in the best of the best. if we do and we lose, then we wont have any regrets and hindsight sentiments. but if we leave holes in our strategy or preparations, there will always be "pointing of fingers" in the end.

lbd_2005
07-20-2007, 02:54 AM
syempre naman. all out support tayo. pero we should keep in mind that we dont get this shot everyday. so we should field in the best of the best. if we do and we lose, then we wont have any regrets and hindsight sentiments. but if we leave holes in our strategy or preparations, there will always be "pointing of fingers" in the end.

bro, theres always pointing of fingers kahit sinong pipiliin ni chot reyes sa final 12...for sure di man ikaw pati rin sila...kaya walang lusot si chot kahit sinong pipiliin niya may mga tao parin na di gusto mga pinili niya kasi gusto niya yong iba din...kaya ang pinakamabuti nating gawin para walang turuan respetohin natin si chot kasi siya ang inaatasan na pumili...pero ok ka bro marami akong natutunan sa yo...pero kailangan nating tanggapin na siya ang pumili di tayo....

Counter Puncher
07-20-2007, 03:19 AM
bro, theres always pointing of fingers kahit sinong pipiliin ni chot reyes sa final 12...for sure di man ikaw pati rin sila...kaya walang lusot si chot kahit sinong pipiliin niya may mga tao parin na di gusto mga pinili niya kasi gusto niya yong iba din...kaya ang pinakamabuti nating gawin para walang turuan respetohin natin si chot kasi siya ang inaatasan na pumili...pero ok ka bro marami akong natutunan sa yo...pero kailangan nating tanggapin na siya ang pumili di tayo....

You're right. Can't please everyone 'ika nga. But doesnt mean you can do silly things either. And I respect him, in general. I dont pretend to know basketball than him, coz I dont. I've never been a player or a coach, while coach Chot is a veteran. I'm a CPA for pete's sake! he hehe. Having said that though, that's what pisses me off sometimes. Here I am, a nobody but an avid basketball fan, seeing obvious things that I think need be corrected or addressed. And there he is, an experienced, hand picked expert, doing nothing to ease my frustration, or doing something that adds to it. Maybe its just a case of being in the jungle too long that he no longer sees the trees. Maybe I'm wrong. And I hope I'm wrong!

I'm not trying to go against Chot or our team. I just want to have a good feeling sana when we go to Japan. Yun bang pakiramdam na magaan na alam mo na pwedeng pwede ka nang makipagsabayan sa kalaban, na swerte o malas na lang ang kalaban mo? Parang calculated mo na yung chances kung sa math pa. As opposed to yung kakaba-kaba ka pa dahil hindi mo pa sigurado ang abilidad ng team at ng players. Tulad nyan, ni hindi pa natin alam kung sino magic 12 talaga. Mapapakali ka ba?

lbd_2005
07-20-2007, 03:34 AM
You're right. Can't please everyone 'ika nga. But doesnt mean you can do silly things either. And I respect him, in general. I dont pretend to know basketball than him, coz I dont. I've never been a player or a coach, while coach Chot is a veteran. I'm a CPA for pete's sake! he hehe. Having said that though, that's what pisses me off sometimes. Here I am, a nobody but an avid basketball fan, seeing obvious things that I think need be corrected or addressed. And there he is, an experienced, hand picked expert, doing nothing to ease my frustration, or doing something that adds to it. Maybe its just a case of being in the jungle too long that he no longer sees the trees. Maybe I'm wrong. And I hope I'm wrong!

I'm not trying to go against Chot or our team. I just want to have a good feeling sana when we go to Japan. Yun bang pakiramdam na magaan na alam mo na pwedeng pwede ka nang makipagsabayan sa kalaban, na swerte o malas na lang ang kalaban mo? Parang calculated mo na yung chances kung sa math pa. As opposed to yung kakaba-kaba ka pa dahil hindi mo pa sigurado ang abilidad ng team at ng players. Tulad nyan, ni hindi pa natin alam kung sino magic 12 talaga. Mapapakali ka ba?

ok lang yon bro youre just airing your sentiments man lang ang importante youve done it in a nice way walang foul words...gustong gusto ko si honteveros pero di sa laro na close yong game kasi parang madali lang siya mataranta...nakita mo ba yong laro nila sa cebu gem nong una ganon din nangyari tsaka yong laro nila sa korea ata yon na natalo pa sila dahil sa kanyang free throw na di niya na ishoot alam ko bro na kabadong kabado siya...pero i still like him parin kasi tao lang siya na kakabahan...basta bro manalo matalo lets accept the fact na tao lang sila na kakabahan...for sure bro tumaas na rin kompyansa nila sa sarili nila dahil sa nangyari sa jones cup...alam kong babawi sila....

GO GO GO....

Counter Puncher
07-20-2007, 03:57 AM
ok lang yon bro youre just airing your sentiments man lang ang importante youve done it in a nice way walang foul words...gustong gusto ko si honteveros pero di sa laro na close yong game kasi parang madali lang siya mataranta...nakita mo ba yong laro nila sa cebu gem nong una ganon din nangyari tsaka yong laro nila sa korea ata yon na natalo pa sila dahil sa kanyang free throw na di niya na ishoot alam ko bro na kabadong kabado siya...pero i still like him parin kasi tao lang siya na kakabahan...basta bro manalo matalo lets accept the fact na tao lang sila na kakabahan...for sure bro tumaas na rin kompyansa nila sa sarili nila dahil sa nangyari sa jones cup...alam kong babawi sila....

GO GO GO....

Ano ba sa akala mo bat ko pinapalitan kay boss kadyo yung title ng thread na to? dati RP Team nagkakalat...ngayon Road to Beijing na! That's because we improved a lot sa Jones Cup (save for the forgettable loss vs Kazaks) at sa Manila Invitational, that we're on track. Kaya talaga kung gugustuhin at kung aayusin. I'm sure that whoever will be in the magic 12 would give their all to bring home the bacon! But even if we lose, I can say kahit ngayon pa lang, that we had already announced to all and sundry that TEAM PILIPINAS is back! and they should all be afraid...be very afraid!

(Sundry: so afraid in fact that China is now considering reinforcing the B team they sent to Manila Invitational! Although they beat us, we ended up the champs & they ended at the cellar. But it may backfire to them because changing horses at this point maybe more disadvantegous to their team, but that would be good for us, hehehe)

lbd_2005
07-20-2007, 04:16 AM
Ano ba sa akala mo bat ko pinapalitan kay boss kadyo yung title ng thread na to? dati RP Team nagkakalat...ngayon Road to Beijing na! That's because we improved a lot sa Jones Cup (save for the forgettable loss vs Kazaks) at sa Manila Invitational, that we're on track. Kaya talaga kung gugustuhin at kung aayusin. I'm sure that whoever will be in the magic 12 would give their all to bring home the bacon! But even if we lose, I can say kahit ngayon pa lang, that we had already announced to all and sundry that TEAM PILIPINAS is back! and they should all be afraid...be very afraid!

(Sundry: so afraid in fact that China is now considering reinforcing the B team they sent to Manila Invitational! Although they beat us, we ended up the champs & they ended at the cellar. But it may backfire to them because changing horses at this point maybe more disadvantegous to their team, but that would be good for us, hehehe)

salamat naman at ganon ka akala ko pagkatapos ng game at pumalpak uli gagawa kana naman ng thread TEAM philippines naglalatak sa JAPAN...hehehehee...pero ok yong suggestion mo may nakikita akong magandang mangyayari if ever matuloy yong suggestion mo pero kong hindi sana yan parin ang mangyayari na di na tayo pumalpak...salamat bro...

chito
07-20-2007, 05:37 AM
alisin si dondon at ipasok si renren. si adducul na lang kesa si menk for me.

dahil buhat nung na-injury si menk he was never the same pero kung hindi, di ko ipagpapalit si menk kay adducul. si adducul kasi idadawdaw na lang ang bola, hindi pa mai-shoot shoot plus ang bobo pa mag-free throw nun, importante ang free throw shooting dito.

flipside
07-20-2007, 07:19 PM
dahil buhat nung na-injury si menk he was never the same pero kung hindi, di ko ipagpapalit si menk kay adducul. si adducul kasi idadawdaw na lang ang bola, hindi pa mai-shoot shoot plus ang bobo pa mag-free throw nun, importante ang free throw shooting dito.
hindi mo namn kukunin si adducul para sa scoring nya e :D

JOM'S
07-21-2007, 01:58 AM
sa akin lang mga tol with the changing of the guards sa basketball body ng pilipinas, nabinubuo ng mga stake holders sa rp bball, i could see a brighter future...

manalo, matalo sila sa japan, basta pagpatuloy nila ginagawa nila ngayon and also try to improve more, I am sure we will be within the Top 3 in Asia (period)...

pero key factor para continued support ng masa (fans) they should have very good performance sa japan, hindi man makatuntong sa olympics at the least 3rd place...all of Asia will know we are back

AIR_KENG
07-21-2007, 05:12 AM
sa akin lang mga tol with the changing of the guards sa basketball body ng pilipinas, nabinubuo ng mga stake holders sa rp bball, i could see a brighter future...

manalo, matalo sila sa japan, basta pagpatuloy nila ginagawa nila ngayon and also try to improve more, I am sure we will be within the Top 3 in Asia (period)...

pero key factor para continued support ng masa (fans) they should have very good performance sa japan, hindi man makatuntong sa olympics at the least 3rd place...all of Asia will know we are back
tama yan bro... ako im hoping for the best pero understanble pa rin kung hindi makuha ang kampeyonato sa japan kasi kasalanan lahatng epal na BAP yan e... ang ikli talaga ng preparation...

JOM'S
07-21-2007, 05:28 AM
tama yan bro... ako im hoping for the best pero understanble pa rin kung hindi makuha ang kampeyonato sa japan kasi kasalanan lahatng epal na BAP yan e... ang ikli talaga ng preparation...

oo nga tol biro mo two years nawala satin noong time na na ban tayo kung from that time naging continuous ang training ng NT pool gano na kaya kalakas ang team ngayon...

anyway 5 months training was good kahit maikli talaga ito lalo na kumpara sa ibang mga teams sa Asia, and kust like you i am sure lahat tayo we are all hoping for the best ...

AIR_KENG
07-21-2007, 05:39 AM
yan ang sentiment ko ever since bumigay din ang BAP bro to form Pilipinas Basketbol... Bibigay din pala sila pinatagal pa... Sana lang mangibabaw ng husto yung puso ng mga players at swertehin na rin...

JOM'S
07-21-2007, 05:45 AM
agree ako dyan tol bukod sa abilidad ng team kailangan din talaga ng suwerte, bilog ang bola sana pumabor satin talbog ng bola, he he...

PS.

CHAMPION NA PALA ALASKA!! games 7 tapos 3 points lang lamang, galing siguro ng championship series...

AIR_KENG
07-21-2007, 06:00 AM
agree ako dyan tol bukod sa abilidad ng team kailangan din talaga ng suwerte, bilog ang bola sana pumabor satin talbog ng bola, he he...

PS.

CHAMPION NA PALA ALASKA!! games 7 tapos 3 points lang lamang, galing siguro ng championship series...
oo nga, ngayon ko lang nalaman... nakabili kasi ako ng dvd ng pimp my ride kaya yun ang natutukan ko kagabi, hehe...

Congrats Alaska! Pwede pa bang ilusot si Willie Miller sa team Pinas?

kadyo
07-21-2007, 06:54 AM
oo nga, ngayon ko lang nalaman... nakabili kasi ako ng dvd ng pimp my ride kaya yun ang natutukan ko kagabi, hehe...

Congrats Alaska! Pwede pa bang ilusot si Willie Miller sa team Pinas?Wala pa ring tatalo sa alaska...

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