View Full Version : Gatti Vs Hatton
INFAMOUZ 10-18-2004, 12:34 PM What are ur views on this match up , i think it could be one of the greatest brawls in boxing history. 2 warriors, non stop action!
It may happen , i know jay larkin has already stated he would luv to make the fight happen!
Hurlex 10-18-2004, 12:40 PM i say gatt catches him around the 5th for a ko..hatton chin has not been tested by someone with gatti's power...i hate hatton for fighting bums
elveiel 10-18-2004, 12:42 PM I think Hatton would bring out the best in Gatti again, Gatti changed style but all that pressure Hatton brings would drag gatti into a war.
elveiel 10-18-2004, 12:46 PM i say gatt catches him around the 5th for a ko..hatton chin has not been tested by someone with gatti's power...i hate hatton for fighting bums
Same **** again!!
Gatti KD'd against Ward, Hatton bring a lot more strenght, power and skill to the ring. Hatton will stop Gatti.
You do remember we have 5k on this fight!! Cotto vs Gatti too!!
abdiel2k3 10-18-2004, 12:51 PM I think Hatton would bring out the best in Gatti again, Gatti changed style but all that pressure Hatton brings would drag gatti into a war.
nah
dats what dorin was suppose to do
drag gatti into a war with his relentless pressure
i see gatti beaten this untested guy
but thats only cuz i havent seen much of hatton
we know gstti can give it was well as he can take it
so far we only know that hatton can give it
Gatti by KO
Hurlex 10-18-2004, 12:55 PM me and u have a bet i dont rmemeber..anyway thats just my opioion..i'll bet against u if it happens...anyway i just think hatton has been put in there with bums..and hate gatti or not..he's not a bum
elveiel 10-18-2004, 12:58 PM nah
dats what dorin was suppose to do
drag gatti into a war with his relentless pressure
i see gatti beaten this untested guy
but thats only cuz i havent seen much of hatton
we know gstti can give it was well as he can take it
so far we only know that hatton can give it
Gatti by KO
Look at Gatti's record, the only good fighters on his record whipped him. He's get beat when he steps into world class.
Hatton been in with some good fighter but there fighter Americans dont know.
Do me a favour. Watch these clips, let me know what you think.
http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/video/video.html
elveiel 10-18-2004, 01:04 PM me and u have a bet i dont rmemeber..anyway thats just my opioion..i'll bet against u if it happens...anyway i just think hatton has been put in there with bums..and hate gatti or not..he's not a bum
I Like Gatti, he's a good fighter.
Hattons been in with some fighters he's far too good for, he's been in with some good fighters too but he aint been in with a fighter who was rated in the independant top 5 at the time of fighting. thats something that needs to change this year!
We had a bet, i said i'll bet you 1k cotto or Hatton will beat Gatti if they fight. You said fine lets raise it to 5k because it aint real money.
PacKillsMorales 10-18-2004, 07:11 PM ok im downloadin aload of the clips..
still think when gatti ups the workrate hattons stamina will go maybe same sort of finish as gatti - dorin
lethal bodyshot.
borikua 10-18-2004, 07:20 PM Hatton by KO...but Cotto would destroy both.
PacKillsMorales 10-18-2004, 07:44 PM ok seen most of the footage..
doesnt seem that hatton has the power needed to stop gatti..
he looks like a wear you down fighter and will likely have to outwork gatti the distance and hopefully outpoint him.
can he take gattis ripping body and head shots. :confused:
MetalVomit 10-18-2004, 08:00 PM Same **** again!!
Gatti KD'd against Ward, Hatton bring a lot more strenght, power and skill to the ring. Hatton will stop Gatti.
You do remember we have 5k on this fight!! Cotto vs Gatti too!!
Cotto will beat Gatti, Hatton hasnt fought anyone except a declining Ben Tackie and would get KO'd by Gatti
.::|ULTIMATE|::. 10-18-2004, 08:03 PM Gatti doesnt brawl and i see Gatti trying to box his way through this fight no matter what happens. It ends up a good fight but it doesnt materialize into a brawl.
pinkpanther 10-19-2004, 07:18 AM Gatti has reached legendary status because of the number of absolute barn-stormers he's had, not because he's a great boxer lets not get confussed. He has ability, he has power but not at the higest level.
If you take the time to look at his record, he got beaten up badly by Oscar, Angel Manfredy beat him confortably, angel is not world class, Ivan Robinson beat him twice, even at Ivans best he was never that special and I'm sorry to say Micky Ward was a warrior with a huge hart but he was never in anyones books what you would refer to as real quality.
Now you may say well what has Hatton done? to a certain extent I agree with you, however I think its always interesting to see what an oponent says after a fight. Take Hatton's oponents:
Vince Phillips (only man to beat Tyszu) said of Hatton after the fight - I have never been in the ring with somebody that hits as hard as that.
Mike Stewart, having gone twelve with Mitchell, said thats the bigest beating of my career after TKO 5
Kelson Pinto, having failed to turn up for the fight, said in the build up to his fight with Cotto that Cotto would be a much easier prospect than Hatton (Pinto lost to Cotto)
Hatton will outwork Gatti - no questions asked, has more power, is younger and is a better boxer, don't get me wrong but it would be an uphill struggle for Gatti.
Gatti's next fight against Leija will be a better prospect although to be fair I think Leija has it.
jabsRstiff 10-19-2004, 08:24 AM This is one of the more intriguing fights that can be made.
The "X" factor in this fight is body punching.
I have seen Gatti hurt on MANY occasions by body shots (Ward, Oscar, Patterson, Manfredy)...
If Hatton can crank that left hook into Gatti's body, cleanly, he will take Gatti out.
The problem is that Ricky Hatton OVERCOMMITS on his punches, especially body punches.
A smart fighting Gatti could counter these shots with his own heavy artillery to Hatton's head.
Great, great matchup.
Dark Destroyer 10-19-2004, 09:03 AM I agree that this could be an amazing matchup. Both fighters can fight at a good intensity and can box well too when they have to. I'd say Gatti has the single power shot advantage in this fight as Ricky isn't the big puncher he was first made out to be. Ricky is however a consistant force in the ring who will make any oppoent fight for every round the fight lasts so this would be really interesting because both fighters have a good heart although Hattons hasn't be proven as much as Gatti's. I think Hattons consistancy could stop Gatti late in this fight although i do not doubt that Gatti could put Ricky down. The thing that concerns me whenever Ricky is mentioned or compared against a World Class fighter is can Ricky handle this step up? He has fought at domestic level for a very long time in my opinion and even though Gatti isn't the best in the world in his weight division he may still prove to be a step too far for the likes of Ricky. Ricky does need to step up in competition and fight abroad for once, it would be nice to see him fight in a big American venue and i'm sure it would do good things for his reputation too.
jabsRstiff 10-19-2004, 09:12 AM "<-Drea De Matteo - A tribute to the Sopranos beauty"
Is she dead ?
neils7147933 10-19-2004, 09:12 AM I hope they go 3 like Ward/Gatti.
Something makes me think Hatton can beat Gatti, but no matter what happens, if this fight happens, the fans win.
Dark Destroyer 10-19-2004, 09:13 AM "<-Drea De Matteo - A tribute to the Sopranos beauty"
Is she dead ?
lol. No i just think she's that pretty that she deserves a little tribute. She is dead in Sopranos though
elveiel 10-19-2004, 09:13 AM I think it a hard nights work for both fighters but Hatton should come though it with a win.
Like the pinkpanther said, Hattons opponents rate him as the next big thing!
Joe Hutchinson, who has fought both Gatti and Hatton said Hatton makes Gatti look like a weakling. Maybe Gatti has improved since then but Huntchinson pushed Gatti 12 rounds losing on points and Hatton destroyed Hutchinson with ease.
Hattons power gets doubted a lot, i agree he's not the best one punch KO artist in the divison but he lands very solid shots with a very high success rate(45-50%). I have sat ring side and you can hear how hard he punches!!
Hatton workrate, power, strength, accuracy is too much for the best of fighters, even the elite will struggle against him.
Gatti's heart will take him some round before Hatton stops him.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 09:23 AM He has fought at domestic level for a very long time in my opinion
fight abroad for once, it would be nice to see him fight in a big American venue and i'm sure it would do good things for his reputation too.
I agree that Hatton needs to step up, but i wouldnt consider his opponents domestic level! More like fringe contenders.
Hattons fought at
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA
East Hall Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ, USA
Fox Theater, Detroit, MI, USA
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Germany
I dont thinks Hatton scared of fighting abroad but any fighter wants home advantage and moneys better for him in the UK.
The only time i want Hatton to fight in the US is for a big money fight against Tszyu, Gatti or Cotto(unless cotto is still willing to come to the UK)
LuKahnLi 10-19-2004, 10:03 AM Hatton needs to do better than Mike Stewart. ESPECIALLY when its Mike Stewart coming off the heels of Vilches and Peterson.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 10:17 AM Hatton needs to do better than Mike Stewart. ESPECIALLY when its Mike Stewart coming off the heels of Vilches and Peterson.
Nah, Mike Stewart was for mandatory and Hatton made Mitchells job on Stewart look really bad, that was the boost he needed after the flat Vilches performance.
If it wasnt for those two things i'd be pissed he was fighting him. It was obvious Hatton would do number on Stewart.
Hatton's supposed to be fighting another Stewart type fighter to keep him in shape while he waits for the Tszyu vs Mitchell winner shot.
They should use Witter as a warm up, i dont think he'd stand a chance against Hatton and they fans would like to see it.
urdaddyinAZ 10-19-2004, 10:22 AM If Hatton would just fight somebody of quality already everyone wouldn't doubt him. The kid is a talented fighter....but it almost seems as if he and his management thinks the boxing world owes him something. Take a little less money and come to the US and beat a top notch fighter in the states and then you write your own meal ticket Ricky! I'm a huge Gatti fan and do believe he has improved his boxing skills over the past few years.......this one is too close for me to call. Honestly, I haven't seen enough of Hatton to make a fair assessment. I would like to see this fight happen though.
Kimmy 10-19-2004, 10:30 AM Hatton Vs Gatti is a great fight because they have simular styles but please don`t say Gatti will win. Hatton would walk through him. He may last to like the 8th round but hatton remember is a big light welter while Gatti is average size at this weight. Both are bleeders and a cuts stoppage for either one could be on the cards but when it is all said and done i believe that Gatti would not be able to withstand the all out style and he would ultimately be stopped.
Reasoning??? Apart from a flash knockdown against Emen Magee, who has won a ROUND against Hatton? I can`t think of anyone off hand.
Hatton is a throw back fighter and i think the only man who i would give a chance against him would be Sharmba Mittchell because of his style, but i would still take hatton for that one.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 10:34 AM If Hatton would just fight somebody of quality already everyone wouldn't doubt him. The kid is a talented fighter....but it almost seems as if he and his management thinks the boxing world owes him something. Take a little less money and come to the US and beat a top notch fighter in the states and then you write your own meal ticket Ricky! I'm a huge Gatti fan and do believe he has improved his boxing skills over the past few years.......this one is too close for me to call. Honestly, I haven't seen enough of Hatton to make a fair assessment. I would like to see this fight happen though.
This is enough to rate Hatton on, but you wanna watch Hatton vs Stewart to see how baldy he beat him, it was a brutal beating against a man Micthell couldnt stop.
http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/video/video.html
witter as a warm up???? sheeeeeeeeet, hatton's got something else coming if he considers witter a warm up.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 11:02 AM witter as a warm up???? sheeeeeeeeet, hatton's got something else coming if he considers witter a warm up.
Do you rate Witter, if you do thats a ****ing shock!!!!!
Kimmy 10-19-2004, 11:11 AM Agreed, Witter could be very tricky if he fights the right type of figght against Hatton
urdaddyinAZ 10-19-2004, 11:14 AM This is enough to rate Hatton on, but you wanna watch Hatton vs Stewart to see how baldy he beat him, it was a brutal beating against a man Micthell couldnt stop.
http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/video/video.html
Thanks, no doubt the kid has some skills. Looks like he punches very hard and brings the action. I wasn't able to watch all the clips cause I'm at work, but I do see one trend in all the clips I saw. His opponents are always backing, up almost in fear. Reminds me of Tysons opponents back in the day. Very few fighters can win a fight backing up the whole time. Gatti wouldn't be on his heels. I also see that he keeps his hands fairly low at times. Bottom line is the kid needs to come to the states and fight a top notch fighter.....if he wins that then the American public will love him.....he's a brawler....it would be the best move he ever made.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 11:20 AM Agreed, Witter could be very tricky if he fights the right type of figght against Hatton
Hatton has got to beat Witter some time, he may aswell get it out of the way before he fights for the title.
I have watched Witter fight so many times, he's weak on the inside and cant take a punch. He's mixed with the worst fighters in the divison and been hurt a couple of times. he refused to fight Magee, Krivolapov and Pinto!! he hasnt even mixed with a fighter as good as Stephen Smith!! :D
Do you rate Witter, if you do thats a ****ing shock!!!!!
calm down, witter's at the top of his game and better than any of these bums (yes, bums) that ricks been fightin'. i dunno if he'd beat hatton, but i bet hed put ricky on his ass at least once and make him look like the plodding fool that ricky is.
Hatton has got to beat Witter some time, he may aswell get it out of the way before he fights for the title.
I have watched Witter fight so many times, he's weak on the inside and cant take a punch. He's mixed with the worst fighters in the divison and been hurt a couple of times. he refused to fight Magee, Krivolapov and Pinto!! he hasnt even mixed with a fighter as good as Stephen Smith!! :D
ricky's refused way more challenges, so whats your point? besides, witter, for as bad as a performance, fought judah when judah was "judah" ... way more than you can ever say for hatton
elveiel 10-19-2004, 11:26 AM Thanks, no doubt the kid has some skills. Looks like he punches very hard and brings the action. I wasn't able to watch all the clips cause I'm at work, but I do see one trend in all the clips I saw. His opponents are always backing, up almost in fear. Reminds me of Tysons opponents back in the day. Very few fighters can win a fight backing up the whole time. Gatti wouldn't be on his heels. I also see that he keeps his hands fairly low at times. Bottom line is the kid needs to come to the states and fight a top notch fighter.....if he wins that then the American public will love him.....he's a brawler....it would be the best move he ever made.
He's been the American already! although it was very early in his career. :p
Yeah, i agree that he need a big fight in the states but there is only a couple of fight worth travelling for (Tszyu, Gatti, Cotto or Mayweather). Hopefuly he'll fight again in the UK and make to trip over to the states for the Tszyu/Mitchell winner. Mitchell would be worth going abroad for if he can win against a named fighter like Tszyu.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 11:32 AM calm down, witter's at the top of his game and better than any of these bums (yes, bums) that ricks been fightin'. i dunno if he'd beat hatton, but i bet hed put ricky on his ass at least once and make him look like the plodding fool that ricky is.
Ok, lets bet on it!
Witters on top of his game!! :D Why because he's beaten a fighter with more wins than losses!?
Did you see Witter against Jurgen Haeck?
Ok, lets bet on it!
Witters on top of his game!! :D Why because he's beaten a fighter with more wins than losses!?
Did you see Witter against Jurgen Haeck?
it's an empty bet, hatton would NEVER fight witter. too much risk for no reward. trust me. BUT, for any reason that ricky grows a pair, and steps in the ring w/ witter then we'll make a bet ;)
no, i never saw witter/haeck.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 11:51 AM no, i never saw witter/haeck.
Yeah its all good, if they fight i'll bet you.
I rated Witter before that, i thought he'd give some named fighters a good fight but this made him look so silly.
Haeck hurt him, i thought haeck was gonna KO him at one point. The fight was at the M.E.N on the Hatton/Phillips undercard.
Everyone i spoke to before the fight wanted Witter/Hatton and nobody wanted it after seeing his weakness.
Trust me, Haeck is a terrible fighter and thats why Witter stopped him but he was game and came to fight, Witter didnt know what to do with someone coming forward. Thats why they put Witter in with Fred Kinuthia(8-2-0) in the next fight. I have seen kids look better than Kinuthia on their first visit to the gym.
semjasa 10-19-2004, 11:55 AM RH would TKO Gatti on or around the 8th round.....
Dark Destroyer 10-19-2004, 11:57 AM I agree that Hatton needs to step up, but i wouldnt consider his opponents domestic level! More like fringe contenders.
Hattons fought at
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA
East Hall Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ, USA
Fox Theater, Detroit, MI, USA
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Germany
I dont thinks Hatton scared of fighting abroad but any fighter wants home advantage and moneys better for him in the UK.
The only time i want Hatton to fight in the US is for a big money fight against Tszyu, Gatti or Cotto(unless cotto is still willing to come to the UK)
I agree with what you say about the home advantage and i don't completely blame the fighter for that anyway because the promoter makes alot of the decisions where to fight and who etc. As for his opponents such as "No Joke" i think it was a big joke, everyone knows he wasn't a top contender. He was one of Hattons many warm ups who was a domestic level fighter. I just want to see him do well and the key to a successful career is to be appreciated World Wide in my opinion and Hatton seems to be losing respect World Wide and it annoys me because he has got potential.
RH would TKO Gatti on or around the 8th round.....
yes, easy prediction. becaues hatton's done all the right things in his career to make us believe so ...
elveiel 10-19-2004, 12:08 PM I agree with what you say about the home advantage and i don't completely blame the fighter for that anyway because the promoter makes alot of the decisions where to fight and who etc. As for his opponents such as "No Joke" i think it was a big joke, everyone knows he wasn't a top contender. He was one of Hattons many warm ups who was a domestic level fighter. I just want to see him do well and the key to a successful career is to be appreciated World Wide in my opinion and Hatton seems to be losing respect World Wide and it annoys me because he has got potential.
Me too, i think he's getting a little pissed off with way things are going too.
If Hatton doesnt get a shot a the IBF after beating Stewart i'll be be very pissed, but as long as the Stewart fight was a final eliminator like they said its ok.
I do think Stewart could beat most of our British level fighters, he's better than Stephen Smith, Alan Bosworth and probably better than Colin Lynes and Ted Bami. So i consider him abit better than british level. He had and needed good defence against Hatton and did back Mitchell up! :D
Dark Destroyer 10-19-2004, 12:14 PM Me too, i think he's getting a little pissed off with way things are going too.
If Hatton doesnt get a shot a the IBF after beating Stewart i'll be be very pissed, but as long as the Stewart fight was a final eliminator like they said its ok.
I do think Stewart could beat most of our British level fighters, he's better than Stephen Smith, Alan Bosworth and probably better than Colin Lynes and Ted Bami. So i consider him abit better than british level. He had and needed good defence against Hatton and did back Mitchell up! :D
I hope Hatton does get a shot because he definatly deserves one by now.
I have never really rated Stewart, perhaps we should put him in the ring with Junior Witter to find out if he is a contnder or not. :D As far as the British rankings go Stewart may have a respectable name but that doesn't say alot for the rest of the bunch. To his credit he did display a good heart in the Sharmba Mitchell fight. Perhaps i'm been a harsh judge as i haven't seen alot of the other British Welterweight talent.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 12:19 PM I hope Hatton does get a shot because he definatly deserves one by now.
I have never really rated Stewart, perhaps we should put him in the ring with Junior Witter to find out if he is a contnder or not. :D As far as the British rankings go Stewart may have a respectable name but that doesn't say alot for the rest of the bunch. To his credit he did display a good heart in the Sharmba Mitchell fight. Perhaps i'm been a harsh judge as i haven't seen alot of the other British Welterweight talent.
The british light welter scene is poor, Witter and Hatton are the only two who can fight.
I really want Witter to fight a guy who's taken Hatton some rounds like Stewart, Krivolapov and Magee, Maybe even Phillips but only as long as he takes a many steroids against Witter as he did Against Hatton so we can make a fair judgement.
Dark Destroyer 10-19-2004, 12:24 PM The british light welter scene is poor, Witter and Hatton are the only two who can fight.
I really want Witter to fight a guy who's taken Hatton some rounds like Stewart, Krivolapov and Magee, Maybe even Phillips but only as long as he takes a many steroids against Witter as he did Against Hatton so we can make a fair judgement.
Hasn't Witter already faced any opponents Hatton has? The thing that gets me concerned with Witter is his style, he looks alot more flashier than Hatton but with a lower guard could be made to pay although he has got a semi good chin. The ultimate showdown for me would be Witter-Hatton at this moment in time but i read the that it may never happen.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 12:50 PM Hasn't Witter already faced any opponents Hatton has? The thing that gets me concerned with Witter is his style, he looks alot more flashier than Hatton but with a lower guard could be made to pay although he has got a semi good chin. The ultimate showdown for me would be Witter-Hatton at this moment in time but i read the that it may never happen.
Yeah, the only one i can think of is Giuseppe Lauri and Witter did it faster, i didnt see Hatton KO him but Giuseppe Lauri was terrible against Witter, he wouldnt throw a punch and backed up on the ropes too easily, he came to lose. Hatton fought Lauri about 4 year ealier too, Witter was prime when he whipped him.
The only flaws in Hattons defence is his Low left and he leave himself a little off balance throwing the left body shot. Witter doesnt throw straight rights and doesnt return fire under pressure. Hattons defence wont let him down against Witter.
I worried a little about Harris because he has a good straight right which could take advantage of Hatton low left, but other than that it was a good fight for Hatton.
Dark Destroyer 10-19-2004, 12:58 PM Yeah, the only one i can think of is Giuseppe Lauri and Witter did it faster, i didnt see Hatton KO him but Giuseppe Lauri was terrible against Witter, he wouldnt throw a punch and backed up on the ropes too easily, he came to lose. Hatton fought Lauri about 4 year ealier too, Witter was prime when he whipped him.
The only flaws in Hattons defence is his Low left and he leave himself a little off balance throwing the left body shot. Witter doesnt throw straight rights and doesnt return fire under pressure. Hattons defence wont let him down against Witter.
I worried a little about Harris because he has a good straight right which could take advantage of Hatton low left, but other than that it was a good fight for Hatton.
I haven't seen Vivian Harris fight before so the only things i was going by to the build up of Hattons supposed fight with him was on paper. To be honest i have never really seen Hattons low left as a problem in any of his fights. Nobodys defense is perfect and i think Hatton has got it working well. I think Witter would fight Hatton differently as there has been alot of talk about who is the best between these two. I think if they did fight pride would take over which makes the fight slightly more unpredictable in my opinion.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 01:07 PM I haven't seen Vivian Harris fight before so the only things i was going by to the build up of Hattons supposed fight with him was on paper. To be honest i have never really seen Hattons low left as a problem in any of his fights. Nobodys defense is perfect and i think Hatton has got it working well. I think Witter would fight Hatton differently as there has been alot of talk about who is the best between these two. I think if they did fight pride would take over which makes the fight slightly more unpredictable in my opinion.
I agree Witter has a lot to prove and that will help, but Hatton wants to beat Witter up so badly!! its a little unpredictable but i'm still think Hatton by KO in the 4th.
Are you Maxboxing.com member?? If you fight you should be, its generally worst than Boxingscence but the video files are brilliant.
They have a new thing called gym wars, Harris is sparring on there against a light middle.
Dark Destroyer 10-19-2004, 01:10 PM I agree Witter has a lot to prove and that will help, but Hatton wants to beat Witter up so badly!! its a little unpredictable but i'm still think Hatton by KO in the 4th.
Are you Maxboxing.com member?? If you fight you should be, its generally worst than Boxingscence but the video files are brilliant.
They have a new thing called gym wars, Harris is sparring on there against a light middle.
I suppose if either fighter is going to win by stoppage then i guess my money would be on Hatton but i still wouldn't discount Witter. I guess it all depends to how Witter copes with Hattons power.
Yeah i'm a member, Max Boxing is a great site for training clips and interviews. When i saw Danny Williams training for the Tyson fight on their i thought he looked very impressive. It's handy to be able to see clips like that. I'll check out the Harris fight in gym wars.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 01:14 PM I suppose if either fighter is going to win by stoppage then i guess my money would be on Hatton but i still would discount Witter. I guess it all depends to how Witter copes with Hattons power.
Yeah i'm a member, Max Boxing is a great site for training clips and interviews. When i saw Danny Williams training for the Tyson fight on their i thought he looked very impressive. It's handy to be able to see clips like that. I'll check out the Harris fight in gym wars.
That Williams clip was the main reason i bet on him to beat Tyson, i made the money i paid in membership back anayway!! :D
Tell me if you think Harris could beat any of the top fighters after watching it.
hollister 10-19-2004, 10:24 PM Forgive me for saying this, but I almost get the feeling that some dislike Gatti as much as they dislike Wlad. Gatti has given his all to the sport on many occasions, and even though Hatton is a very good fighter, he is mainly a body puncher type pressure fighter, and Gatti is an excellent all around fighter who isn't afraid to be hit. He did take a few punches against DLH but that fight was stopped early. Why wasn't Gatti/Ward 1 stopped? Gatti is plenty fast enough to counter Hatton, and that could make it an excellent fight. Some don't seem to want to acknowledge that Gatti has won some of the most grueling and difficult fights to win. Hatton will by no means walk through Gatti, but win, lose or draw, Hatton won't be doubted anymore if he fights Gatti.
elveiel 10-19-2004, 10:39 PM Forgive me for saying this, but I almost get the feeling that some dislike Gatti as much as they dislike Wlad. Gatti has given his all to the sport on many occasions, and even though Hatton is a very good fighter, he is mainly a body puncher type pressure fighter, and Gatti is an excellent all around fighter who isn't afraid to be hit. He did take a few punches against DLH but that fight was stopped early. Why wasn't Gatti/Ward 1 stopped? Gatti is plenty fast enough to counter Hatton, and that could make it an excellent fight. Some don't seem to want to acknowledge that Gatti has won some of the most grueling and difficult fights to win. Hatton will by no means walk through Gatti, but win, lose or draw, Hatton won't be doubted anymore if he fights Gatti.
People who dont respect Gatti are fools, but people dont really rate his ability(i do).
He's a good fighter but not the best in the division. I personally think he'd give Hatton hell for the first 6 rounds but Hatton is the Better all round fighter out of the two, i know you think Gatti is but i dont. Hattons mixes shots to head and body, has a great defence for a brawler, he's fast, strong, powerful and very accurate! people dont realise that Hatton lands 45-50% of his shots every fight. The only fighter i can think of with stamina and workrate like Hatton is MannyPac.
Great fight but i'd give Hatton the edge, maybe points but i'd say late TKO.
BoxFan 10-20-2004, 03:58 AM Be a very good fight.
Though I would pick gatti by KO in say round 8.
Body punches would becoming from all angles from these guys.
I just think the tougher and stronger Gatti will find a way to land that left hook to the body or head.
THRILLAinmanila 10-20-2004, 05:03 AM Be a very good fight.
Though I would pick gatti by KO in say round 8.
Body punches would becoming from all angles from these guys.
I just think the tougher and stronger Gatti will find a way to land that left hook to the body or head.
Still a Sunday KO punch cannot be ruled out.
Gatti should finish him earlier on instead of
risking a runaway freak bomb
elveiel 10-20-2004, 08:43 AM Be a very good fight.
Though I would pick gatti by KO in say round 8.
Body punches would becoming from all angles from these guys.
I just think the tougher and stronger Gatti will find a way to land that left hook to the body or head.
Ask Joe Hutchinson who tougher and stronger!! He's been in with both Hatton and Gatti.
He said Gatti is like a little weakling campared to Hatton. you cant argue with that!
Have you watched a Hatton fight? Gatti's left hook was a Dorin stopper but the left to the body/head is a Hatton trade mark!!
elveiel 10-20-2004, 08:49 AM Still a Sunday KO punch cannot be ruled out.
Gatti should finish him earlier on instead of
risking a runaway freak bomb
LMAO,
Your right Gatti should want to finish Hatton early, i suppose Mr Hussain wanted to finish Mr Bush off early too!! :D
It very doubtful Gatti could finish Hatton off early, he aint fighting a little ***** like Dorin he's figting a bigger, stronger more talented man. he'll do very well to stop him at all!!
Gauranteed fight of the year!
Hatton scares me because Eamon Magee put him down a couple times early and he is not a puncher, just has a tricky left.
Gatti scares me because people have way overrated him after his trilogy with Ward. Someone said it much earlier that Gatti has lost to almost all of the good fighters he has face, well there right.
Either way this one goes it will be awesome, no doubt fight of the year. I have a hunch that Hatton may stop Gatti late, whatever the case I would cut off a testical too see it, thats serious **** too because I only have one to begin with!
BoxFan 10-22-2004, 05:48 AM Yeah and Vinny Pazienza said that his last fight(Pudwill?) was the hardest puncher he has faced.
Fighters say very stupid things sometimes.
BoxFan 10-22-2004, 05:49 AM That above post was supposed to be quoting about Joe Hutchinson saying Gatti was a weakling compared to Hatton.
elveiel 10-22-2004, 08:03 AM Yeah and Vinny Pazienza said that his last fight(Pudwill?) was the hardest puncher he has faced.
Fighters say very stupid things sometimes.
Well thats hard to believe, Paz has been in with some good fighters and i have seen Tocker pudwill get a very bad beat down(i felt sorry him) against Calzaghe. But you dont have to be a good fighter to be a puncher.
The reason i believe Hutchinson is telling the truth is because Gatti should have been stopped against him(cuts) and only won on points. Hatton roughed him up and give him a good beating. The record suggest he's telling the truth.
Exactly the same with Mike Stewart, Hatton give him a terrible beating and he give Mitchell some problems, the record suggests that Hatton give him his worst beat down, like he said.
I dont read into that **** too much because styles make fights. even if Hattons strength makes Gatti look like a weakling, Gatti is still a very tough fight.
Italian250 10-22-2004, 08:23 AM Look at Gatti's record, the only good fighters on his record whipped him. He's get beat when he steps into world class.
Hatton been in with some good fighter but there fighter Americans dont know.
Do me a favour. Watch these clips, let me know what you think.
http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/video/video.html
Hey nice clips....uh, but are they supposed to convince anyone that Hatton would beat Gatti. Cuz...it didn't! At least not me. Gotta go with my Dego Brother..
elveiel 10-22-2004, 08:43 AM Hey nice clips....uh, but are they supposed to convince anyone that Hatton would beat Gatti. Cuz...it didn't! At least not me. Gotta go with my Dego Brother..
My message was a reply to someone who was picking Gatti to win because they hadnt watched Hatton. That doesnt make sense to me so i offered them the chance to make an informed decision.
The clips were not posted to make people think Hatton would win but to help people decide for themselves.
I'm picking Hatton and you pick Gatti. we can leave it at that if you want, its a waste of time betting because Gatti was offered $3,000,000 and still ducked him, it obvious Gatti wont fight.
mic573 10-22-2004, 10:11 AM Gatti and Hatton are two class b fighters at best. This would be a good fight that I think Gatti would win by a close decision. Gatti would be forced into a brawl but only after he puts a few rounds in the bag. Those few rounds would be enough to win the fight. Neither fighter has shown me that they are world class. Cotto would beat both of them.
elveiel 10-22-2004, 10:31 AM Gatti and Hatton are two class b fighters at best. This would be a good fight that I think Gatti would win by a close decision. Gatti would be forced into a brawl but only after he puts a few rounds in the bag. Those few rounds would be enough to win the fight. Neither fighter has shown me that they are world class. Cotto would beat both of them.
Two top 5 fighters at light welter are not world class!!?? Have you seen how hard the division is?
mic573 10-22-2004, 10:45 AM Gatti got his top five ranking by beating who? Beating Ward twice who is tough but the man is not a good fighter. Branco, a guy he should of beat easily but didn't to win his belt. Gatti is not world class. Just because he is tough and gets into very exciting fights doesn't making him world class. He has never beaten a top class fighter and doesn't deserve aplace in the Hall Of Fame but he will be but not because of his accomplishments. Who has Hatton beat at the world class level? The only real recognizable names on his record outside of the UK are a nearly shot Tackie and a totally shot Phillips. I thought Hatton was going to be someone that would actually come out of the Frank Warren stable and do something but he decides to not stand up to his promoter and not step up his competition. Like I said two class b fighters at best.
elveiel 10-22-2004, 11:09 AM Gatti got his top five ranking by beating who? Beating Ward twice who is tough but the man is not a good fighter. Branco, a guy he should of beat easily but didn't to win his belt. Gatti is not world class. Just because he is tough and gets into very exciting fights doesn't making him world class. He has never beaten a top class fighter and doesn't deserve aplace in the Hall Of Fame but he will be but not because of his accomplishments. Who has Hatton beat at the world class level? The only real recognizable names on his record outside of the UK are a nearly shot Tackie and a totally shot Phillips. I thought Hatton was going to be someone that would actually come out of the Frank Warren stable and do something but he decides to not stand up to his promoter and not step up his competition. Like I said two class b fighters at best.
It depends how you rate fighters, i see class B as being top 10-20.
We'll have to wait and see how good these fighters become.
Out of interest, who would you rate as world class at light welter??
mic573 10-22-2004, 11:24 AM To tell you the truth the only ones at 140 that I would see as truely world class are Kostya Tszyu because his track record has been proven and Floyd Mayweather not because of his win over Corley but from the things he has accomplished so far in his career makes him world class. Cotto will be a class A fighter in my opinion. Mitchell is at the number 2 spot because he has earned it and I think he has a very good shot at taking Tszyu now but a healthy Tszyu would beat him again.
elveiel 10-22-2004, 11:43 AM To tell you the truth the only ones at 140 that I would see as truely world class are Kostya Tszyu because his track record has been proven and Floyd Mayweather not because of his win over Corley but from the things he has accomplished so far in his career makes him world class. Cotto will be a class A fighter in my opinion. Mitchell is at the number 2 spot because he has earned it and I think he has a very good shot at taking Tszyu now but a healthy Tszyu would beat him again.
Tsyzu world class = correct
Mayweather world class = correct
Cotto class A = correct, BUT! he hasnt proved anything more than Hatton has, i dont see how you can rate Hatton class B and Cotto class A????
Micthell number 2 because he earned it = wrong, unless your talking about ammount of fights as oppose to quality of opponents
I see the level of opponents being very simliar. if anything Micthell has struggled more than Cotto and Hatton fighting this level of opponent.
Hatton
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009314
Mitchell
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001382
Cotto
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=033535
mic573 10-22-2004, 11:59 AM I said Cotto will be class A. He's not class A yet. I think Mitchell has earned his spot. He wasn't impressive at times but outside of Ndou he dominated every fighter since the Tszyu fight. Style wise Hatton will take out fighters that Mitchell probably can't but that doesn't mean Mitchell didnt beat them with ease. I do think Mitchell's style beats Hatton though I also believe it will be close. I also do believe Cotto can beat Hatton and Mitchell.
elveiel 10-22-2004, 12:09 PM I said Cotto will be class A. He's not class A yet. I think Mitchell has earned his spot. He wasn't impressive at times but outside of Ndou he dominated every fighter since the Tszyu fight. Style wise Hatton will take out fighters that Mitchell probably can't but that doesn't mean Mitchell didnt beat them with ease. I do think Mitchell's style beats Hatton though I also believe it will be close. I also do believe Cotto can beat Hatton and Mitchell.
Do you think Gatti or Hatton could be class A?
Cotto is a class act and i agree its very possible he could beat Hatton, If you could design a style to beat Hatton it would be Cotto. That doesnt mean i'd pick Cotto to win that fight.
As for Mitchell, i think his style suits Hatton! i consider him less dangerous than the majority of fighters at 140lbs.
mic573 10-22-2004, 12:20 PM Gatti has proven he can't be class A. I really thought Hatton was going to be a very good fighter but he is wasting his time with Warren. He has had chances and if he really wanted to prove himself he would of fought Mitchell and Harris no matter what. I agree that Mitchell will have a tough time with Hatton but most of the time styles like Mitchell's beats styles like Hatton's.
abdiel2k3 10-22-2004, 12:25 PM Gatti has proven he can't be class A
thats a great point
BUT Is Hatton A Class?
that becomes the real question
and if he beats gatti does that make him A Class?
personaly i dont think hatton would beat gatti
i dont think hes delt with someone as versatile "yet limited in his versatility" as Gatti
maybe age would be the biggest factor
mic573 10-22-2004, 12:31 PM Hatton has alot to prove and beating Gatti doesn't make him class A in my eyes. Hatton right now is not a Class A fighter. If he can somehow unify the 140 pound division and probably move up and beat the guys at welterweight than yeah he would become world class in my eyes. Will he do it? I say no because I think Cotto will beat him and do the things that I have just mentioned.
Silverfox 10-23-2004, 12:17 AM I agree with you. As much as I like the way Gatti fights, I think that he's been in too many wars. Hatton is virtually untouched to date. Additionally, he's no powder puff puncher. Great defence and all round skills.
Gatti seems to have deviated from his former brawler self and has tried to become more technical.
I remember seeing Hatton's first fight and declaring him as an undisputed, future world champ. He's on the up & up...Gatti's in his twilight!
bandito 11-30-2004, 09:30 PM great fight!! pick em fight!!
whdempsey 11-30-2004, 10:41 PM There is nothing to suggest that Gatti would take out Hatton the same way he took out Dorin. Gatti is older and slower. He may hit harder, he may not, but he has scored just one knockout in his last five fights. Hatton is dying fighting bums like Vilches, or guys like Oliveira, who is probably at the same level as Ben Tackie or Vince Phillips were. Given the chance, Hatton will put his best effort forth and outwork Gatti, hurting him to the body and forcing McGirt to stop the fight late.
whdempsey 11-30-2004, 10:43 PM And just so everyone's aware, I'm a much bigger fan of Gatti than of Hatton. This is just the way I see things.
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