The other day I saw a TV program (fiction) and this woman said "You haven't drunk crystale until youve tried it out of a $500 shoe!" or something like that.

This blatent disregard to her things treating it like it was cheap, felt like it wasn't caring about them, and so not being materialistic.



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this is what i do every time you make a thread

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Did you take that photograph just for that

yes i did.

Did you open up the webcam program and everything?


Oh man Im turned on...

If you have really nice things and you don't care about them or appreciate your good fortune......I think thats the worst kind of being materialistic.

Thats a good point man, but its not quite what I mean but it related.


I mean she was drinking crystale out of her $500 shoe showing she didnt give a **** about it.

Which kind of means she didnt care about the money. Which was good IN A WAY.

Of course she could have given that to charity.

Obviously yuo should appreciate you have food to eat etc

If I was that rich I would be a cheap ass and drink E&J and put it in my Shaq shoes.

Thats a good point man, but its not quite what I mean but it related.


I mean she was drinking crystale out of her $500 shoe showing she didnt give a **** about it.

Which kind of means she didnt care about the money. Which was good IN A WAY.

Of course she could have given that to charity.

Obviously yuo should appreciate you have food to eat etc

i don;t think the point was that she didn;t care about the position, it was pointing out JUST how rich she was. anyone can drink expensive champagne but how many people can drink it out of expensive shoes, though if she wore them beforehand it'd be kinda nasty tasting in my opinion. lol!!!!!! :slap:

but abuse of money is materialistic, it is showing how you can always afford to buy new shoes. lol

True, but it means your not in love with your possessions.

Matt, you overanalysed the Bible son.

Just make your money, spend it on what you want, and be proud that you could afford to buy whatever it was you have. If you had any left over give it to charity if it makes you feel any better.

Actually this isnt really about the bible.

Also its not overanalysing it.

Attatchment to material possesions is bad

Actually this isnt really about the bible.

Also its not overanalysing it.

Attatchment to material possesions is bad
It is about the Bible, that was the earliest teaching of this and has either inspired you or whatever else you have read, to make this thread.

And yes it is overanalysing it. Dont take everything literal that is in there. 2 of each animal was not put onto Noah's Ark, nobody magicked some fish for everyone to eat, we didnt come from Adam & Eve etc etc.

The bible is just a set of guidelines. Live your life and cause nobody any harm, the Bible has already been contradicted and proven wrong, its not a model for anything.

Actually this isnt really about the bible.

Also its not overanalysing it.

Attatchment to material possesions is bad

i wouldn;t call it attachment to materials things. i would say that people who are rich buy expensive luxuries because they can afford them. they usually
take them for granted though - don't truly appreciate what they have.


poorer people go into debt because they buy things they can;t afford and are actually much more attached to the things they buy because it is generally a luxuey that they couldn;t really afford but wanted it so badly that they bought it.

True, but it means your not in love with your possessions.

love of possessions has nothing to do with socioeconomic status (how much money you have), it has more to do with what the item is. poor and rich people have things that they treasure.


but from a differenet perspective few people actually appreciate the thigns they have. it is just the way things are.

numerous religions have this belief.

Also, there is no proof of any of that.

Being materialistic is bad. Im suprised your debating that

numerous religions have this belief.

Also, there is no proof of any of that.

Being materialistic is bad. Im suprised your debating that

i do not view being materialistic as bad. if you have money and can afford nice things, there is nothing wrong with having nice things. i think there are people who waste tremendous amounts of money on frivolous luxuries which could other wise go to better causes but the truth of the matter is that a huge percent of money that is donated to charity does not go to the charitable cause, it goes to toward the expenses of running the charity/administration costs and so forth. i found out that sometimes only 10% of the money donated actually goes toward what it is supposed to.

if you chose not to spend money on material positions, that is your choice. don;t judge others. you should also ask yourself exactly why you are making that choice. is it because you think it is the christian thing to do or you do not actually need material things to make you happy? look at the history of the catholic church and say they never cared about money or power. lol!

Because material things do not buy real happiness.

What are 'nice things'? Can you explain please.


Im sure that is true with some charities, but a lot of them are run by volunteers.


Yeh, catholic church lol. Well Im not catholic!

Because material things do not buy real happiness.

What are 'nice things'? Can you explain please.


Im sure that is true with some charities, but a lot of them are run by volunteers.


Yeh, catholic church lol. Well Im not catholic!
At the same time, owning things which are not suitable or sufficient can breed low self esteem.

At the same time, owning things which are not suitable or sufficient can breed low self esteem.

That is true, Exige. A good point aswell. But I feel that it is possible to overcome this, although it is F***ING hard. And this is what people should do.


That, though, is just my view.

That is true, Exige. A good point aswell. But I feel that it is possible to overcome this, although it is F***ING hard. And this is what people should do.


That, though, is just my view.
Right, so they overcome it by using their money, which they earned, to better themselves.

Remember if you worked for it you earned it... you dont go to school for 16 years of your life for nothing, you know?

You go to school for 16 years so youre not thick, and to get a job

No , they overcome the part of themselves that makes them feel that their scruffy stuff or whatever is bad. And that if they had nicer things theyd be more complete.

You go to school for 16 years so youre not thick, and to get a job

No , they overcome the part of themselves that makes them feel that their scruffy stuff or whatever is bad. And that if they had nicer things theyd be more complete.
Surely the only way to overcome a feeling of scruffyness is to spend money on making your appearance more presentable.

You go to school to get a job. Precisely my point... if you come out with no GCSE's then you ****ed up, and wont get one. If you came out with some then you will get a job and you can spend it on all the things you want.

What do you propose I spend my pay packet on, this month, if not for things that I feel I should have, require and deserve?

If we didnt go to school we wouldnt know barely anything, thats one big, big reason to go to school. There was school before GCSEs. School isnt just for getting a job.

And no, its not the only way. One way is to just get over the feeling. Not easy though, very, very hard.

Its like getting over another step of vanity, you know? I mean a really, really vain person can get over ebing that vain. So why not another level.

Aslong as your spending doesnt hurt anyone I dont care.

If we didnt go to school we wouldnt know barely anything, thats one big, big reason to go to school. There was school before GCSEs. School isnt just for getting a job.

And no, its not the only way. One way is to just get over the feeling. Not easy though, very, very hard.

Its like getting over another step of vanity, you know? I mean a really, really vain person can get over ebing that vain. So why not another level.

Aslong as your spending doesnt hurt anyone I dont care.
Well then you just contradicted yourself.

In your opening post you spoke about a woman who drank expensive champagne from a shoe, and how this should be looked down upon. But now you say so long as I spend my money on things that dont bring harm to anyone then I can do that.

Your solution to scruffyness (as an example) is not viable. The only way to improve ones appearance is to spend money on it. Ok you may reach a state of mind in which you are happy being scruffy, but everyone else out there still thinks you are just somebody who doesnt give a shit about what they look like. So you are constantly under social pressure to do so, and you keep brushing the school point off and trying to argue with me about it. In fact you are in agreement with me. You go to school to get a job, something which you already recognised. You get a job to make a living, and with your money you are entitled to do whatever you want. So surely by performing at school you are rewarding yourself later on when you have the opportunity to buy the things you needed and wanted.

Old biblical teachings dont apply now Matt. Materialism is bad, and I hate materialistic girls for a start, but slamming everyone for doing something they want with their money is laughable. Not matter how controlling the Bible attemps to be over your life, remember not everyone is religious and even the people who are religious would go out and spend money on themselves to feel better about themselves. Its human nature.

Well then you just contradicted yourself.

In your opening post you spoke about a woman who drank expensive champagne from a shoe, and how this should be looked down upon I didn't say this should be looked down upon. I didnt state a view. I said that is it a release from materialism which is good. But now you say so long as I spend my money on things that dont bring harm to anyone then I can do that.

Your solution to scruffyness (as an example) is not viable. The only way to improve ones appearance is to spend money on it. Ok you may reach a state of mind in which you are happy being scruffy, but everyone else out there still thinks you are just somebody who doesnt give a shit about what they look like Just like the KKK hate the blacks, but they're not going to try and change that, and they dont give a ****. So you are constantly under social pressure to do so, and you keep brushing the school point off and trying to argue with me about it. In fact you are in agreement with me. You go to school to get a job, something which you already recognised. You get a job to make a living, and with your money you are entitled to do whatever you want. So surely by performing at school you are rewarding yourself later on when you have the opportunity to buy the things you needed and wanted. Yes, you do go to school, for one reason to get a job. But its mostly I think so you are educated. Without school we would be completely, completely thick. You can get a job without school, just a shit one.

Old biblical teachings dont apply now Matt Completely untrue, and you have nothing to back this up. You think murder is ok cos it was bad 2000 years ago?. Materialism is bad, and I hate materialistic girls for a start, but slamming everyone for doing something they want with their money is laughable I havent slammed anybody I dont know where youre getting that from, Id be a hypocrite. Not matter how controlling the Bible attemps to be over your life Its not controlling, I dont have to follow it id I dont want to, remember not everyone is religious and even the people who are religious would go out and spend money on themselves to feel better about themselves. Its human nature.That is true. I spunk money all the time, but Id like to point out I havent slammed anyone in this thread.

Because material things do not buy real happiness.

What are 'nice things'? Can you explain please.


Im sure that is true with some charities, but a lot of them are run by volunteers.


Yeh, catholic church lol. Well Im not catholic!

charities are RUN by organizations, volunteers do most of the leg work but organizations run it and deduct "their costs" from the donations

The other day I saw a TV program (fiction) and this woman said "You haven't drunk crystale until youve tried it out of a $500 shoe!" or something like that.

This blatent disregard to her things treating it like it was cheap, felt like it wasn't caring about them, and so not being materialistic.



comments?

i don;t think the point was that she didn;t care about the position, it was pointing out JUST how rich she was. anyone can drink expensive champagne but how many people can drink it out of expensive shoes, though if she wore them beforehand it'd be kinda nasty tasting in my opinion. lol!!!!!! :slap:

but abuse of money is materialistic, it is showing how you can always afford to buy new shoes. lol

Actually this isnt really about the bible.

Also its not overanalysing it.

Attatchment to material possesions is bad

attachment to material possessions is ****ing pagan idolatry, 4000 years ago people worshipped a golden statue or whatever exactly the same way we worship a bottle of crystal or a rolls royce.

i don't give a **** if some selfish bitch wants to drink crystal out of her shoe, but i wouldn't say she doesn't care about money, she's just showing off how selfish she is. if she really didn't care about her money, she'd give it to charity instead of wasting it showing off how rich she is

Right, so they overcome it by using their money, which they earned, to better themselves.

Remember if you worked for it you earned it... you dont go to school for 16 years of your life for nothing, you know?

But then what about all the people who are born into a rich family and don't have to do jack shit and end up rich. I have a lot of respect for people who can make a lot out of a little, but its not all up to the individual.

But then what about all the people who are born into a rich family and don't have to do jack shit and end up rich. I have a lot of respect for people who can make a lot out of a little, but its not all up to the individual.
Well its kinda a seperate argument. But i'm pro freedom and pro choice so if they wanna spend their money on whatever then I dont have a problem with that. I accept many people have more money than me and dont envy them for it.... instead i'll just try and better myself.

Exige.....and Matty shouldn't be allowed in the adult lounge at the same time.They ruined Mattys good thread.

Exige.....and Matty shouldn't be allowed in the adult lounge at the same time.They ruined Mattys good thread.
What?

My posts were on topic and without my input the thread was going nowhere.

What?

My posts were on topic and without my input the thread was going nowhere.

so were his but mixed together......it was hectic

attachment to material possessions is ****ing pagan idolatry, 4000 years ago people worshipped a golden statue or whatever exactly the same way we worship a bottle of crystal or a rolls royce.

i don't give a **** if some selfish bitch wants to drink crystal out of her shoe, but i wouldn't say she doesn't care about money, she's just showing off how selfish she is. if she really didn't care about her money, she'd give it to charity instead of wasting it showing off how rich she is

My homie filth knows the score ;)

Glad someone sees the sense in what i said.....

Glad someone sees the sense in what i said.....

Wait sorry what?

Wait sorry what?

sorry wait what

What do you mean at least someone saw the sense in what you said

My homie filth knows the score ;)

i agree with what dr filth said and he did not say the same thing as you. :thinking:

The charity bit I agreed with but I didnt put it in the thread because I thought Id get a reaction which Ive practically already gotten

The charity bit I agreed with but I didnt put it in the thread because I thought Id get a reaction which Ive practically already gotten

maybe i just don't get your point.

i do agree that people who are materialistic tend to be greedy - they wanwt money so they can buy expensive and extravagant things.

then you have people like the woman in the movie who can drink expensive champagne out of expensive shoes and men who light their expensive cigars with hundred dollar bills - it's to show off to others that they are so rich they can afford to engage in such behavior.

argh just replied but it didnt work! ha.


I know some people are showing off. But maybe it was the context it was in. The woman had got 10 million pounds ( bout 20 million dollars ) recently and was just being frivolous, probably because she wanted attention.

Thing was she was spending it like this showing she wasnt attatched to it which was good. (Although if she hadnt been so rich you probably wouldnt have done.) Of course maybe she was just showing off. Also if she could do that she could have given it to charity