View Full Version : This is what happens when a gold medal boxer tries to fight ROKIE MMA guy!!


2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 01:09 PM
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Owned..Owned..Owned.
boxing is dead. I suggest u boxing hopefuls find another sport LOL:peeright: :loser:

No1
06-24-2007, 01:13 PM
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Owned..Owned..Owned.
boxing is dead. I suggest u boxing hopefuls find another sport LOL:peeright: :loser:
**** u cunt your a wanker!
Put kimbo in there with wlad and see what happens, Kimbo would proberly die, no not proberly definatly die.

-AZZA-
06-24-2007, 01:15 PM
he didn't beat a boxer, he beat an ex retired boxer, 46 ****ing years old, he was fat and out of shape and even after tapping he wanted to go more

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 01:16 PM
all Kimbo would have to do is take him down and submit him LOL

Malchius
06-24-2007, 01:16 PM
Right Mercer was 48 years old. He wasn't that great of a boxer. Kimbo is a **** fighter and would get killed by any good boxer at the moment. Do you actually participate in either of the sports? Also MMA will die out in a coupleof years, I garuntee it, MMA is a fad, whilst boxing has been around since the 1700s.

-AZZA-
06-24-2007, 01:17 PM
right lets have a rematch, boxing rules, boxing ring, striking with the fists only, then well see whos laughing

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 01:19 PM
he didn't beat a boxer, he beat an ex retired boxer, 46 ****ing years old, he was fat and out of shape and even after tapping he wanted to go more

haha Kimbo a(street Fighter) kicked his ass lol.
goodbye boxing. but he couldnt cause Mercer dont understand whats happening there, just like the rest of you. I'd tap all u guys out if ya tried fighting me..no joke LOL:bryce:

Jimmy The Gent
06-24-2007, 01:23 PM
Just like you'd be staring at the ceiling if you got in the ring with us

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 01:23 PM
See how Mercer tried to hide behind his 4 ounce Gloves..NOT gonna work here in MMA mr Mercer, nowhere to ****ing hide like your big boxing gloves you are used of LOL.

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 01:25 PM
Just like you'd be staring at the ceiling if you got in the ring with us

LOL I'd pull a kimbo on your ***** ass LOL

PS: your advatar sucks u wrestling Noob.

-AZZA-
06-24-2007, 01:25 PM
See how Mercer tried to hide behind his 4 ounce Gloves..NOT gonna work here in MMA mr Mercer, nowhere to ****ing hide like your big boxing gloves you are used of LOL.

we use them cause we hit so ****ing hard, *****

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 01:32 PM
we use them cause we hit so ****ing hard, *****

And to hide and block punches...reeeeal nice sweet science u have there son LOL, If I had big couch coushins Id be a boxer too HAHA.:op:

HELLRAZAH
06-24-2007, 01:45 PM
kimbos beat mercer in his cage and ray wasnt even hurt, the difference is if kimbo ever decided to step in rays ring trust me he would be ****in hurt

msagrain
06-24-2007, 01:49 PM
scince when has this got owt to do with training?

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 01:54 PM
scince when has this got owt to do with training?

Since when u didnt know how to spell? (scince, owt) too much blows to the head there bud? think about retiring haha.:loser:

msagrain
06-24-2007, 02:00 PM
Since when u didnt know how to spell? (scince, owt) too much blows to the head there bud? think about retiring haha.:loser:

you spell u ,you muhahaha

boxing4ever
06-24-2007, 02:00 PM
Since when u didnt know how to spell? (scince, owt) too much blows to the head there bud? think about retiring haha.:loser:I had to correct you bud! mercer is what 47 years old, and kimbo is alot younger and a fresher fighter! so you cant say THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A GOLD MEDAL BOXER TRIES TO FIGHT A ROKIE MMA GUY! because he didnt fight a good boxer, **** he fought an old man! Now the day kimbo fights a boxer his or around his age in mma and gets killed thats the day ill piss on your moms face!

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 02:05 PM
I had to correct you bud! mercer is what 47 years old, and kimbo is alot younger and a fresher fighter! so you cant say THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A GOLD MEDAL BOXER TRIES TO FIGHT A ROKIE MMA GUY! because he didnt fight a good boxer, **** he fought an old man! Now the day kimbo fights a boxer his or around his age in mma and gets killed thats the day ill piss on your moms face!

Piss on my mom s face? very original coming from a boxer or boxing fan lol. Give it up u hopeful u aint going anywhere, the same thing wouldve happend to any boxer up to date...like your :loser: Pac-Man:loser: LOL all it takes little boys is a takdown and They will choke u out..Goodnight Hopefuls..Goodnight.:peeright:

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 02:08 PM
you spell u ,you muhahaha

Ohh Shiiit UUUUU(YOU) got me man...I dont know what else to say to you..:wtf1:
Please if your gonna reply me..do it with at least 25% of your brain.
We all Know that is whats left in your lil head of yours.

Versastyle
06-24-2007, 02:14 PM
Mercer sucked case closed.I even betted on Kimbo.But dont let this fight determine that MMA is better then boxing.That would be really foolish.

Southpaw16
06-24-2007, 02:14 PM
haha Kimbo a(street Fighter) kicked his ass lol.
goodbye boxing. but he couldnt cause Mercer dont understand whats happening there, just like the rest of you. I'd tap all u guys out if ya tried fighting me..no joke LOL:bryce:

There are some people on this forum who made a mistake by picking Mercer. I'm not afraid to admit that I was one of these people. I said that if it went to the ground it would be anyone's game but Mercer had an advantage on his feet so I picked Mercer.

Just like some of us made some false generalisations though, you are doing the exact same thing, and ultimately making the same mistake that a lot of us boxer made by saying "you would tap any of us out". When you are in a fight anything can happen, and if you are serious about pursuing an MMA career, you need to understand this.

You also have to understand that Kimbo is a 31 year old man who is so strong and athletically gifted he made it onto the Tampa Bay Bucaneers practice roster without ever even having a college football career. This is a very big and very strong dude, fighting against a 46 year old boxer who 2 years ago was dominated and knocked out by the mediocre Shannon Briggs, and now this is after a 2 year layoff even after that. So saying "an MMA rookie beat up a gold medal winning boxer" is true, but not telling the same story. If Kimbo went to Muhammed Ali's house tomorrow and kicked his ass you could make the exact same headline.

A lot of us were a bit narrow minded to not realise that Kimbo could win. In retrospect should have seen this coming. So don't make the same mistake that many boxing fans just made but saying blind generalisations.

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 02:21 PM
There are some people on this forum who made a mistake by picking Mercer. I'm not afraid to admit that I was one of these people. I said that if it went to the ground it would be anyone's game but Mercer had an advantage on his feet so I picked Mercer.

Just like some of us made some false generalisations though, you are doing the exact same thing, and ultimately making the same mistake that a lot of us boxer made by saying "you would tap any of us out". When you are in a fight anything can happen, and if you are serious about pursuing an MMA career, you need to understand this.

You also have to understand that Kimbo is a 31 year old man who is so strong and athletically gifted he made it onto the Tampa Bay Bucaneers practice roster without ever even having a college football career. This is a very big and very strong dude, fighting against a 46 year old boxer who 2 years ago was dominated and knocked out by the mediocre Shannon Briggs, and now this is after a 2 year layoff even after that. So saying "an MMA rookie beat up a gold medal winning boxer" is true, but not telling the same story. If Kimbo went to Muhammed Ali's house tomorrow and kicked his ass you could make the exact same headline.

A lot of us were a bit narrow minded to not realise that Kimbo could win. In retrospect should have seen this coming. So don't make the same mistake that many boxing fans just made but saying blind generalisations.

Hey my MMA career has already started with a 1-0, My attitude is just a young one..23. Im like the Nick Diaz of this lil boxing forum dude, I dont give a **** what ya lil hopefuls think, have any of you had a amature bout yet? I dont think so, and if so you probably lost LOL. The guy I fought was a striker and I kicked his ass in the 2nd round TKO. Dont believe me? I dont give a ****, I've started and thats all that matters, I will continue to grow but not now, Im having fun and kicking some ass. I hope Diacas or whatever the **** his name is reads this and watches the video.

Versastyle
06-24-2007, 02:24 PM
Your still alittle carried away though,its just a fight buddy.Just a fight.Life goes on.

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 02:32 PM
Your still alittle carried away though,its just a fight buddy.Just a fight.Life goes on.

yes I will live life to the fullest dude.
ya know like how boxing is a dead sport but hey life goes on hey;):op:

platinummatt!
06-24-2007, 02:32 PM
Since when u didnt know how to spell? (scince, owt) too much blows to the head there bud? think about retiring haha.:loser:

Yeh, "too much blows to the head".

"rokie mma guy"


Learn to spell, and learn grammar.

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 02:34 PM
thank u and good night off to the gym lol...leave comments.

2swell k-wells
06-24-2007, 02:35 PM
Yeh, "too much blows to the head".

"rokie mma guy"


Learn to spell, and learn grammar.

A little tired and in a rush but still smarter than your dumb boxing ass lol.
But who cares who is smarter here...you just cant spell:loser:

Versastyle
06-24-2007, 02:37 PM
yes I will live life to the fullest dude.
ya know like how boxing is a dead sport but hey life goes on hey;):op:

Until your making millions off of MMA,and we actually know your real name. It does really mean ****,but whatever makes you feel good at night. So be it,eh?

mickeyb
06-24-2007, 02:52 PM
Owned..Owned..Owned.
boxing is dead. I suggest u boxing hopefuls find another sport :


why are you here?? **** off onto a mma forum and leave us in peace you ****ing wanker.

Southpaw16
06-24-2007, 03:07 PM
Hey my MMA career has already started with a 1-0, My attitude is just a young one..23. Im like the Nick Diaz of this lil boxing forum dude, I dont give a **** what ya lil hopefuls think, have any of you had a amature bout yet? I dont think so, and if so you probably lost LOL. The guy I fought was a striker and I kicked his ass in the 2nd round TKO. Dont believe me? I dont give a ****, I've started and thats all that matters, I will continue to grow but not now, Im having fun and kicking some ass. I hope Diacas or whatever the **** his name is reads this and watches the video.

I've had about 30 amateur boxing fights. A lot of people on this forum have fought before, I'm surprised that you assume we all haven't. You seem very defensive in replying to my post, I never said I didn't believe you were an MMA fighter. I am a bit surprised by your lack of maturity, 23 years old isn't actually all that young. I figured I was talking to a 16 or 17 year old but whatever. Congratulations on winning your first fight.

The one point that I was trying to make is that a lot of people on this forum were narrow minded when assuming that Ray Mercer would knock out Kimbo. We underestimated mixed martial arts training. I was one of those people. But by saying boxing is nothing and you could submit any boxer your making the exact same mistake that us boxers made when we assumed that Mercer would knock out Kimbo. Learn from other people's mistakes or repeat them, your choice.

FIGHTING_FLIP
06-24-2007, 03:38 PM
**** mma!! wuts the honor of fighting on the floor???

Lethal
06-24-2007, 04:04 PM
all Kimbo would have to do is take him down and submit him LOL

:haha: amen

right lets have a rematch, boxing rules, boxing ring, striking with the fists only, then well see whos laughing

:haha: Kimbo has more of a chance than Mercer did in MMA.

And to hide and block punches...reeeeal nice sweet science u have there son LOL, If I had big couch coushins Id be a boxer too HAHA.:op:

:haha: you forgot the ref breaking them up everytime they get too close!



**** mma!! wuts the honor of fighting on the floor???

LOL what's the honor of jab and running?

Malchius
06-24-2007, 04:20 PM
Running you call it. It's called defense, you make the other guy tired after he misses you. But someone who likes grabbing people on the floor and pratically raping them probably wouldn't understand this.

SpeedKillz
06-24-2007, 04:54 PM
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Owned..Owned..Owned.
boxing is dead. I suggest u boxing hopefuls find another sport LOL:peeright: :loser:

White Hope??? we thought you were gone. welcome back....

ur an idiot. any boxer on here would KO u in one round in a boxing match, notice how i said match, and not glorified streetfight....

anyway chill out kimbo fought a 50 year old dude and couldnt knock him out, so y the **** u braggin, put him in with a top ten ACTIVE heavyweight now and then leave comments douche!

:why:

SpeedKillz
06-24-2007, 05:50 PM
by the way, on ur "boxing is dead" comment. dana white's whole organization is worth probly not even half the amount that de la hoya got for the mayweather fight, so how do u see boxing as bein dead?? too many knees to the head there huh? u tihnk an mma guy can step into a boxing ring and have a chance of winnin. lets compare ufc to boxing at the closest weights we can...now dont get ur panties in a bunch, we're talkin straight boxing here now....

shean sherk (155) vs mayweather (154): mayweather wins

matt serra (170) vs... oh i dono, joe calzaghe? (168): i dont even need to
answer that. serra would get his ass handed to him on a silver platter

anderson silva (185) vs. chad dawson (175): bye bye silva

rampage(205) vs. jean marc mormeck(200) toss-up, could go either way.

coutoure vs. klitschko: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! wont even dignify myself to an answer.

so there u go buddy, u MAY have one more talented weight division than boxing, and its the division that is least popular in boxing, so u make a great point ******* boxing is way dead and mma guys are way better. good one, seriously, good one. keep it up....:*******:

Lethal
06-24-2007, 07:17 PM
by the way, on ur "boxing is dead" comment. dana white's whole organization is worth probly not even half the amount that de la hoya got for the mayweather fight, so how do u see boxing as bein dead?? too many knees to the head there huh? u tihnk an mma guy can step into a boxing ring and have a chance of winnin. lets compare ufc to boxing at the closest weights we can...now dont get ur panties in a bunch, we're talkin straight boxing here now....

shean sherk (155) vs mayweather (154): mayweather wins

matt serra (170) vs... oh i dono, joe calzaghe? (168): i dont even need to
answer that. serra would get his ass handed to him on a silver platter

anderson silva (185) vs. chad dawson (175): bye bye silva

rampage(205) vs. jean marc mormeck(200) toss-up, could go either way.

coutoure vs. klitschko: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! wont even dignify myself to an answer.

so there u go buddy, u MAY have one more talented weight division than boxing, and its the division that is least popular in boxing, so u make a great point ******* boxing is way dead and mma guys are way better. good one, seriously, good one. keep it up....:*******:

wrong......

Golden-Gloves
06-24-2007, 07:27 PM
boxing is dead. I suggest u boxing hopefuls find another sport LOL:peeright: :loser:

You sir are a complete ****ing moron - If you put any athlete in a sport that is not his, he will get dominated - Kimbo would get destroyed in a legit Boxing match, he doesnt have the stamina or skill, hes a brawler

This is like comparing apples and oranges, or Ken Griffy Jr. playing on a football team

SpeedKillz
06-24-2007, 07:35 PM
wrong......

so ur sayin that the mma champs in ufc can beat any of the boxing champs in a boxing ring? ur a RETARD if u think that. if any champion boxer went into the cage, they would most likely lose, if mma guys went into a boxing ring, they would definitely lose.

kryo
06-25-2007, 04:53 AM
Right Mercer was 48 years old. He wasn't that great of a boxer. Kimbo is a **** fighter and would get killed by any good boxer at the moment. Do you actually participate in either of the sports? Also MMA will die out in a coupleof years, I garuntee it, MMA is a fad, whilst boxing has been around since the 1700s.

Boxing has been an olympic sport since Greece came to power. Try a little earlier then the 1700's my friend. Try 688 B.C.

skyler
06-25-2007, 07:34 AM
MMA has to be the gayest sport out, dry humping someone on the ground for a few minutes before finally submitting them.. and i doubt you could tap me out i did brazilian jiu jitsu for 4 years only because i wasnt old enough to start boxing yet and iv been boxing for around 4 years, id **** you up either way macho man.

James78
06-25-2007, 08:19 AM
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Owned..Owned..Owned.
boxing is dead. I suggest u boxing hopefuls find another sport LOL:peeright: :loser:
oh my god! mercer got beat! you're right boxing is dead!! we lost our biggest star!!!! **** of and die wank face. if you enjoy watchin that ****E you've got mental problems.

James78
06-25-2007, 08:23 AM
Boxing has been an olympic sport since Greece came to power. Try a little earlier then the 1700's my friend. Try 688 B.C.
hahah well said man. it started with the Egyptians.

Trick
06-25-2007, 09:59 AM
Bottom line, if you have such a hate-on for boxing, why are you on a boxing forum?

And boxing is not dead, the day Kimbo makes $40 million + in one night you can give me a call...

Trick
06-25-2007, 10:00 AM
hahah well said man. it started with the Egyptians.

But I think he meant modern western boxing, which goes back to 1700s, boxing itself goes backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk........

BIGPOPPAPUMP
06-25-2007, 10:08 AM
I'm not sure why MMA fans would even cheer a backyard brawler beating a boxer who is out of shape and almost 50-years-old and not even boxed in over two years.

porlie
06-25-2007, 11:41 AM
Mercers washed up, brilliant how the boxing haters hide behind their delusion hes still the same Mercer that Ko'd Morrison haha whatever floats ya boat I guess.

2swell k-wells
06-25-2007, 12:03 PM
I've had about 30 amateur boxing fights. A lot of people on this forum have fought before, I'm surprised that you assume we all haven't. You seem very defensive in replying to my post, I never said I didn't believe you were an MMA fighter. I am a bit surprised by your lack of maturity, 23 years old isn't actually all that young. I figured I was talking to a 16 or 17 year old but whatever. Congratulations on winning your first fight.

The one point that I was trying to make is that a lot of people on this forum were narrow minded when assuming that Ray Mercer would knock out Kimbo. We underestimated mixed martial arts training. I was one of those people. But by saying boxing is nothing and you could submit any boxer your making the exact same mistake that us boxers made when we assumed that Mercer would knock out Kimbo. Learn from other people's mistakes or repeat them, your choice.


thanks alot man, appreciate it. It just sounded like a bunch of rookies in here that never found or just plan on going into a ring.

BIGPOPPAPUMP
06-25-2007, 12:15 PM
People thought Mercer would win because Kimbo promoted it like a standup brawl. Instead his plan was to take Mercer to the ground to submit him. I'm sure Mercer was training his entire camp with the mindset of a toe to toe brawl. In a way, it made the finish weak because every person wanted a knockout. Every person wanted to see Kimbo go toe to toe with an actual pro and that's not what happened.

j
06-25-2007, 03:54 PM
boxing is a part of every single martial art ever created. without boxing, no martial art. without boxing, no mixed martial arts either.

i just cannot see how an educated martial artist, if the original poster is, could bad mouth boxing.

another point, the fight would very well be different outside of the ring. i'm not making the point that mercer would win that fight either, but a street fight is quite a bit different than sport mma. boxing(or any other form of trained striking) is extremely handy in real life altercations.

main point - if you don't train boxing or a striking art, you really are not practicing mma.

j
06-25-2007, 04:01 PM
**** mma!! wuts the honor of fighting on the floor

grappling arts are very effective forms of ending a fight. the problem with them is that i'm not sure how much you really want to be on the ground if you are in a street fight. best strategy is the one that gives you the most options.

old school martial arts have included the idea that fighting on the ground is more of a kids type of fighting as well as my above point(limited options and a potentially more dangerous position). this is why many old school chinese martial arts do have takedowns and locks, but focus more on the takedowns and less on joint manipulation on the ground.

Chief Vash
06-25-2007, 04:03 PM
MMA seems pretty practical in a street fight, but that's only because most street fights, if you haven't noticed, always end up on the ground. No one wants to stand and "bang it out" these days, even though it's by far, by far the most entertaining to watch.

I am not that intrigued with several guys rolling around on the floor for 3 plus minutes. It simply isn't the most interesting part of the fight. People watch MMA to see someone get crushed with a blow, not a submission. Why do you think people enjoy Liddell's fights so much, 'cause he wrestles around? No.

porlie
06-25-2007, 04:07 PM
MMA seems pretty practical in a street fight, but that's only because most street fights, if you haven't noticed, always end up on the ground. No one wants to stand and "bang it out" these days, even though it's by far, by far the most entertaining to watch.

I am not that intrigued with several guys rolling around on the floor for 3 plus minutes. It simply isn't the most interesting part of the fight. People watch MMA to see someone get crushed with a blow, not a submission. Why do you think people enjoy Liddell's fights so much, 'cause he wrestles around? No.

**** rolling around on the floor in a street fight, while your doing that whoever your fightings mates are gonna join in and use your head as a football. Best policy on the street is stay on your feet and make sure who your fighting is on the floor KTFO.

Chief Vash
06-25-2007, 04:10 PM
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Yeah, that would be nice, expect I hardly ever witness a street fight where they don't end up on the ground. Street fighting is no holds barred, no honor crap, where yes, their buddies might join in.

I was making a scenario where both fighteres have little skill. Of course if a person with a boxing background goes into a fight, he'll kill the other guy with stand up.

j
06-25-2007, 04:12 PM
most streetfights end up on the ground? not quite.

i think that rumor started from a survey of the LAPD some years ago. that assessment is not entirely accurate if you actually read the report and that statement is often taken out of context.

out of all the fights i have seen or been in, approximately 30% have any type of involvement with being on the ground. and that happens usually because the two or more people fighting are sloppy and untrained.

grappling, both stand up and ground, is extremely practical to know however. imo, you probably don't need to be an expert in it to handle yourself in a fight though.

Chief Vash
06-25-2007, 04:17 PM
I guess my assumption is probably incorrect, as I was more or less basing street fights off of the fights I've seen, which consist of teenagers and school kids. Never really adults.

I suppose two adults in a bar wouldn't want to roll around, and would rather smash each other's faces in with their fists, or more preferably, a pool cue.

porlie
06-25-2007, 04:20 PM
Yeah if anyone untrained tried to take you down you just gotta open up on his head and face as hes coming at ya lol.

paul750
06-25-2007, 04:26 PM
I don't understand this notion that he lost when he stepped up to ''MMA.'' He lost because he was too pig-headed to learn some basic MMA moves. Kimbo was more or less a boxer himself, he just had the brains to know he could probably only win if he incorporated some MMA into his game.

Yeah he lost in a different sport, but not to an MMA guy [obviously]. It's just a terrible example for those of you who want to use it in a boxing vs MMA discussion. Both were ''rookies'', it's just that Kimbo had the brains to realise he had to learn a few different moves; it was pretty much boxing he was using in his fights anyway.

I don't think it has to end up on the ground anyway, people have been knocked out before in the first few seconds by punches.

In all honesty, I think a decent boxer with reasonable MMA training would beat Kimbo. Mercer is just clueless at anything other than boxing it seems.

KingDosia
06-25-2007, 04:28 PM
Damn, I see a couple of you would suck anybodies dick. Im gonna go beat up some has beens and nobodies and post it on Youtube so I can get mine sucked to. lol. MMA = 21st century pro wrestling. GARBAGE
The same ones sucking Kimbo's **** are probably trying on their ultra tight booty shorts to go role around with eachother. "oww you hurt me" tap tap tap.
What you gonna do brother when kimbomania runs wild on you lolol

Chief Vash
06-25-2007, 04:28 PM
Kimbo seems pretty gnarly. I am curious to see how many fights he can keep up. I hope he gets up to the top, or something.

KingDosia
06-25-2007, 04:34 PM
I've seen Kimbo lose to a talentless brawling Kickboxer/jujitsu wanna be. (I hate refering to MMA as a fighting style, get a clue people.)
I've seen him knocked on his ass by a completely unskilled (bouncer) who in term **** himself when Kimbo did get back up. Never the less.
The Mercer fight didn't prove anything. Kimbo beat up an old man who was never a good boxer to begin with.
but gohead suck that Kimbo **** phaggot

j
06-25-2007, 04:37 PM
I guess my assumption is probably incorrect, as I was more or less basing street fights off of the fights I've seen, which consist of teenagers and school kids. Never really adults.

I suppose two adults in a bar wouldn't want to roll around, and would rather smash each other's faces in with their fists, or more preferably, a pool cue

remembering back when i was in school, i have never seen more than two fights go to the ground. not even the chick fights - which were open hand slapfests and were actually somewhat entertaining. even though i haven't really seen much groundwork going on in school fights in person, i have seen videos of such. those are comprised of two kids who are so afraid to get hit that they close in on eachother to lessen the amount of space for a punch to be thrown and trip/fall over eachother.

i have seen fights go down to ground level, but they pretty much never end on the ground. there's usually a few seconds of unskilled grappling with a poorly applied headlock or just some weak position work. after a few seconds, it usually gets back up to stand up fighting if they still want to go at it.

Yeah if anyone untrained tried to take you down you just gotta open up on his head and face as hes coming at ya lol.

may not be as easy as you make it sound. one - if you don't move and try punching, there is a much better chance of taking you down than if you had tried to move around.

two - if you step straight back or straight forward and you aren't well trained in dealing with diverse situations like this one, there is a chance that you will get taken down even if you hit the guy.

three - you may not know when the person is going to shoot and attempt a take down. a good grappler isn't just thinking "take down." he will fake a jab or throw a few punches to distract you from his real goal. this concept is as old as martial arts themselves.

KingDosia
06-25-2007, 04:37 PM
Kimbo seems pretty gnarly. I am curious to see how many fights he can keep up. I hope he gets up to the top, or something.

He is big. And keeps himself looking intimidating. He's strong and can't hit. But He's not that good. Wouldn't last an entire round as they are set up in the MMA venues. And wouldn't box more that 3-4. He's a big bully end of story. I'm not impressed. With him at all.

paul750
06-25-2007, 04:46 PM
I would think it must be a bit embarrassing for Mercer to basically lose to a guy from the street like this. It's very sad for Mercer, who at the peak of his career was giving Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield all they could handle. I think it still boils down to the fact he didn't take this seriously enough and wasn't expecting Kimbo to use those moves.

He should have called it a day after that Bonjasky farce.

Southpaw16
06-25-2007, 06:11 PM
I don't understand this notion that he lost when he stepped up to ''MMA.'' He lost because he was too pig-headed to learn some basic MMA moves. Kimbo was more or less a boxer himself, he just had the brains to know he could probably only win if he incorporated some MMA into his game.


This is mostly true. In fact, a few seconds before he was finished Mercers had Kimbo's head under his arm in the whole exchange but had no clue how to lock in a guillotine.

DoctorKillJoy
06-26-2007, 12:03 PM
I would think it must be a bit embarrassing for Mercer to basically lose to a guy from the street like this. It's very sad for Mercer, who at the peak of his career was giving Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield all they could handle. I think it still boils down to the fact he didn't take this seriously enough and wasn't expecting Kimbo to use those moves.

He should have called it a day after that Bonjasky farce.

Its not like kimbo is just any guy off the street though. He is a rare athlete with a great deal of power and experience fighting. Kimbo also appeared to train hard for the fight and worked with bas ruten (sp?) to learn mma style fighting. Mercer is also well past his prime. Its hard to say for sure what would have happened if the fight had gone longer, but it looked to me like kimbo was overwhelming mercer before it went to the ground. From what I saw I think Kimbo would have knocked him out early on even if it had just been a boxing match.

This doesnt say anything about mma is better than boxing or whatever, just that kimbo is too effective a brawler for mercer (in his current condition) to deal with in any form of combat.

Lethal
06-27-2007, 05:13 PM
so ur sayin that the mma champs in ufc can beat any of the boxing champs in a boxing ring? ur a RETARD if u think that. if any champion boxer went into the cage, they would most likely lose, if mma guys went into a boxing ring, they would definitely lose.

I dunno about winning but MMA fighters have a better chance in boxing than boxers do in MMA.

SpeedKillz
06-27-2007, 05:30 PM
I dunno about winning but MMA fighters have a better chance in boxing than boxers do in MMA.

i respect ur opinion and ur thoughts on mma. to each's own. but i'm afraid ur dead wrong. i personally went to philly mma one time to learn some ground work and i got my ass handed to me on a silver platterce i got taken down, which was about 2 minutes into the round which was a 4 minute round. i then asked the coach to let me spar the same guy all stand up, and i used that same silver platter to hand him his own ass, and i'm no master boxer. MOST mma fighters could not make it in a boxing ring, just like MOST boxers wouldnt make it in an mma ring, so dont say mma'ers are stronger and better fighters then boxers, and vice versa. its a stupid childish ignorant statement...

KingDosia
06-29-2007, 10:37 AM
i respect ur opinion and ur thoughts on mma. to each's own. but i'm afraid ur dead wrong. i personally went to philly mma one time to learn some ground work and i got my ass handed to me on a silver platterce i got taken down, which was about 2 minutes into the round which was a 4 minute round. i then asked the coach to let me spar the same guy all stand up, and i used that same silver platter to hand him his own ass, and i'm no master boxer. MOST mma fighters could not make it in a boxing ring, just like MOST boxers wouldnt make it in an mma ring, so dont say mma'ers are stronger and better fighters then boxers, and vice versa. its a stupid childish ignorant statement...

I will half heartedly agree with this statement. Due to the fact I have handed several guy's asses who are and have been training for Mixed Martial Arts fighting competition. (again I will die before I recognize mma as a style) In a Boxing rules Sparring session. On their feet they suck plain and simple. Too easy to slip you see the punches coming from around the corner. They wanna come straight at ya making lateral movement and timely pivots a nasty weapon to use on them. I say half heartedly agree, because all a boxer needs to do to dominate in their world is learn to guard the shoots. and stay on his feet. And or tie them up when it does go to the ground and stay out of a submission.

Southpaw16
06-29-2007, 01:06 PM
I dunno about winning but MMA fighters have a better chance in boxing than boxers do in MMA.

Most certainly not. I could not disagree with this statement more strongly. Boxers flat out punch harder, and have better chins, at least when it comes to taking punches. Now, with an MMAer in a boxing ring and a boxer in an MMA win, both of them only have a punchers chance. The boxers punchers chance is a hell of a lot bigger.

Lethal
06-29-2007, 01:41 PM
Boxers train boxing. That's the thing. Ya'll seen to forget that boxers ONLY train boxing. Why practice all that shoulder rolling **** in MMA? That's why some MMA fighters don't work so hard with boxing, they practice the usual hook, jab, cross and standup defense. They don't need all that extra bull**** cuz it won't work so quit hating.

James78
06-29-2007, 02:24 PM
Boxers train boxing. That's the thing. Ya'll seen to forget that boxers ONLY train boxing. Why practice all that shoulder rolling **** in MMA? That's why some MMA fighters don't work so hard with boxing, they practice the usual hook, jab, cross and standup defense. They don't need all that extra bull**** cuz it won't work so quit hating.
heres a fact for you. if you really enjoy watchin **** like those little clips in your signature you really need to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. ANYONE who ENJOYS watchin a guy get punched in the face over and over when hes already unconscious is a loser in my eyes. there is no class in this "sport".

Lethal
06-29-2007, 02:27 PM
heres a fact for you. if you really enjoy watchin **** like those little clips in your signature you really need to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. ANYONE who ENJOYS watchin a guy get punched in the face over and over when hes already unconscious is a loser in my eyes. there is no class in this "sport".
Once you are unconcious the fight is over. You're given a chance to defend yourself, if you don't...it's over.

James78
06-29-2007, 02:33 PM
Once you are unconcious the fight is over. You're given a chance to defend yourself, if you don't...it's over.
the guys been hit on the floor. glorified street fights in my eyes. in mcfedries vs radev the guy looks out after the first shot. compare that clip with Muhammad Ali resisting hitting Foreman one more time cos he knows hes goin down. this shows you the difference in boxing and MMA.

Lethal
06-29-2007, 03:10 PM
the guys been hit on the floor. glorified street fights in my eyes. in mcfedries vs radev the guy looks out after the first shot. compare that clip with Muhammad Ali resisting hitting Foreman one more time cos he knows hes goin down. this shows you the difference in boxing and MMA.

Have you ever been in a fight? Have you ever stopped in the middle of it? When you are throwing flurries and whatnot, it's all ADRENALINE. You have no regards of your opponent.

In MMA, much like boxing...the refs stop the fight...period.

Don't compare 12 rounds of punches to the head to 3 chin shots.

Radev was fine, he didn't get brain damage. He can speak and walk.

James78
06-29-2007, 03:38 PM
Have you ever been in a fight? Have you ever stopped in the middle of it? When you are throwing flurries and whatnot, it's all ADRENALINE. You have no regards of your opponent.

In MMA, much like boxing...the refs stop the fight...period.

Don't compare 12 rounds of punches to the head to 3 chin shots.

Radev was fine, he didn't get brain damage. He can speak and walk.
are you talkin streetfights or boxing matches? good point though these ****houses cant take 3 shots to the chin.

Lethal
06-29-2007, 03:41 PM
are you talkin streetfights or boxing matches? good point though these ****houses cant take 3 shots to the chin.

Who are you saying are ****houses?

James78
06-29-2007, 05:09 PM
Who are you saying are ****houses?
i was meanin the MMA guys. it was a joke though mate I ain't gettin into that whole argument. the main problem I still have with UFC etc is I just don't think its good to watch from an entertainment perspective.

Tysonisgod
06-29-2007, 06:19 PM
Hey my MMA career has already started with a 1-0, My attitude is just a young one..23. Im like the Nick Diaz of this lil boxing forum dude, I dont give a **** what ya lil hopefuls think, have any of you had a amature bout yet? I dont think so, and if so you probably lost LOL. The guy I fought was a striker and I kicked his ass in the 2nd round TKO. Dont believe me? I dont give a ****, I've started and thats all that matters, I will continue to grow but not now, Im having fun and kicking some ass. I hope Diacas or whatever the **** his name is reads this and watches the video.

PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE get in a ring or cage with me, lol if your a pro, you no that you can get your manager to get fighters from all over the world, PM me, ill give you my number we can see who really wins lol boxer or MMA guy, at least guys from boxing have got the balls to go into the cage, i dnt see any guys from MMA jumpin into the ring apart from Belfort who started as a boxer? love mma love boxing, boxing ****s all over it for everything

Tysonisgod
06-29-2007, 06:22 PM
Have you ever been in a fight? Have you ever stopped in the middle of it? When you are throwing flurries and whatnot, it's all ADRENALINE. You have no regards of your opponent.

Its not ADRENALINE, if it was when your on top of a guy ground n poundin him and the ref tryed to stop you, you wouldnt stop, jst like when BJ Penn wouldnt let Jens out the choke the other week, go to www.youtube.com n type in bad boys of MMA n see what its all about lol its about controlled agression

Chief Vash
06-29-2007, 06:44 PM
In my opinion, I see MMA fighting as the more varied fights. They have lots of ways of losing the fight. Though, most of the time, it's always two guys on the ground, trying to submit the other, which is rarely a fun match. Guys like Liddell show a good match, but that is completely because of his stand up boxing style.

The truth is, boxing offers a better match up between two opponenets who have trained a single way of fighting. It is the better match up between who really is the better fighter. In MMA, luck and chances have a huge impact, and the guy who is the better fighter won't always win.

Slotff
06-29-2007, 11:16 PM
Shut up man, this is so stupid. He beat an old retired boxer at a completely different sport. Take your bull**** elsewhere. He didn't beat a boxer at Boxing. He beat beat an old man at MMA.

Lethal
07-01-2007, 05:57 PM
The whole point of the debate was that NSB ***gots said a boxer would dominate in MMA. Not the case here...

sjfou
07-03-2007, 08:39 PM
Right Mercer was 48 years old. He wasn't that great of a boxer. Kimbo is a **** fighter and would get killed by any good boxer at the moment. Do you actually participate in either of the sports? Also MMA will die out in a coupleof years, I garuntee it, MMA is a fad, whilst boxing has been around since the 1700s.

Face it, MMA is here to stay - why compare the sports, they're both beautiful & very different. All this "what if" is ****ing BS. MMA was an olympic sport until 1908 & the only event where the gold medallist has won post-humously.