Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLOHgwhqGgU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpandachute%2Ecom%2Fvideos%2Fkimb o%5Fslice%5Fvs%5Fray%5Fmercer) it is.

Notice how Kimbo uses Muy Thai clinches, wrestling and submission to win the fight. Bas Rutten really did a good job, Kimbo really improved.

Kimbo used a good mix of stuff in that fight. I thought he was just going to try to slug with Mercer, but he knew that wasn't the best of ideas and went to the ground game. Mercer looked confused and clueless in there.

To my surprise Kimbo actually dominated in striking also. Mercer was clueless when they were in a clinch and couldn't throw anything while Kimbo locked his head and used his knee.

Explicitly shows how a 1 dimensional fighter doesn't last in MMA.

I prefer the backyard fights over this MMA version. Both are famous for the strikes.

Fights sucked as it was not what I was hoping it would be.

I think Mercer probably wasn't expecting Kimbo to come at him like that and grapple. Looks like Mercer probably took things too lightly and didn't train for the right things. Obviously Kimbo has some sort of talent and raw power and should be given some kind of credit, but this win still doesn't prove that much IMO.

He did look very improved. Alot different from his street fights. Mercer just looked completely out of place. Decent fight.. glad i didnt pay for it.

To my surprise Kimbo actually dominated in striking also. Mercer was clueless when they were in a clinch and couldn't throw anything while Kimbo locked his head and used his knee.

Explicitly shows how a 1 dimensional fighter doesn't last in MMA.

Lots of mma fighters get submitted just as fast, or look clueless, just watch any of the shamrock ortiz fights!
well mercer only threw one punch and it missed, if kimbo had the balls to stand up with anyone who could throw a punch i might be impressed but he has never dared take a shot, i tell you kimbo has a glass jaw and i dont see ho wthis win means anything. Mercer would beat him in one of his bareknuckle matches and a boxing ring.

lol @ kimbo, 46 yrs old mercer seems to have more power, Kimbo could not keep the 46 yr old Ray on the ground at first, too bad for Mercer, he obviously didn't know what to do with the guillotine. he moved his body to the center, i think if he moved his body to side he would have been ok, but who knows. the guy is 46 years old.

nice one blud!!!

Just Prove how much Boxing guys would lose to a MMA guy.
**** boxing sport, even a street figher Kimbo! trained mma beat a ****ing boxer lol.

Kimbo/Abbott next, awesome!!!

Kimbo performed beautifully.

Wow my Rep dropped pretty much LOL..come on guys...
whats the beef? Im drinking right now my friends haha.

Just Prove how much Boxing guys would lose to a MMA guy.
**** boxing sport, even a street figher Kimbo! trained mma beat a ****ing boxer lol.


This fight didnt prove ****. Why is it that we dont see any MMA guys goin into boxing?

Kimbo was impressive! I hope he fights again soon! Maybe a match with a more experienced MMA figure.

This fight didnt prove ****. Why is it that we dont see any MMA guys goin into boxing?

Maaan Before this fight happend all I heard was "kimbo is gonna get knocked out" "kimbo only fought guys like Dreads and Big Mac" This fight proves that Kimbo aint just about his street thug rules, he can do MMA if he wanted to, but his crew is a piece of ****.
And believe me, if any other boxer tried getting in the cage they would get taken down and get their arm broken or their neck squeeezed, Ya feel me?

I thought for sure Kimbo would loose, but from the looks of it he has been training hard in the clinch and on the ground. I guess the rumors were true about Bas Rutten training him.

This fight didnt prove ****. Why is it that we dont see any MMA guys goin into boxing?

well its just a example on how a boxer who only trains to box would get taken down and submitted and wouldnt know how to defend it.

Maaan Before this fight happend all I heard was "kimbo is gonna get knocked out" "kimbo only fought guys like Dreads and Big Mac" This fight proves that Kimbo aint just about his street thug rules, he can do MMA if he wanted to, but his crew is a piece of ****.
And believe me, if any other boxer tried getting in the cage they would get taken down and get their arm broken or their neck squeeezed, Ya feel me?

Well I wasnt one of them. And it doesnt prove **** because anyone with half a brain already knows that mma wins in mma and boxing win under boxing rules. And everyone who was a boxing fan pickin Mercer was picking him because Kimbo said he would stand and trade.

Well I wasnt one of them. And it doesnt prove **** because anyone with half a brain already knows that mma wins in mma and boxing win under boxing rules. And everyone who was a boxing fan pickin Mercer was picking him because Kimbo said he would stand and trade.

Have you watched the fight?

Kimbo was literally dominating Mercer in striking.

Have you watched the fight?

Kimbo was literally dominating Mercer in striking.

lol I didnt see a single solid shot connect. When he was punching it was inbetween knees and elbows and takedowns. So if your trying to imply that he would have beat him even if he didnt wrestle :nono:

lol I didnt see a single solid shot connect. When he was punching it was inbetween knees and elbows and takedowns. So if your trying to imply that he would have beat him even if he didnt wrestle :nono:

You should watch more carefully because I can count more than 3 strikes that caught successfuly. By strike I mean anything, not only ''punch''.

Fact is... it was an MMA match and Kimbo was doing better in every points, including striking. If Kimbo wanted to box Mercer it would be in a boxing match and as far as I know it wasn't.

You should watch more carefully because I can count more than 3 strikes that caught successfuly. By strike I mean anything, not only ''punch''.

Fact is... it was an MMA match and Kimbo was doing better in every points, including striking. If Kimbo wanted to box Mercer it would be in a boxing match and as far as I know it wasn't.


Those things were arm punches and didnt hurt him at all. And if you mean striking then why is Kimbo outstriking Mercer a big deal? He trained MMA which is all parts of it including striking while Mercer didnt.

Those things were arm punches and didnt hurt him at all. And if you mean striking then why is Kimbo outstriking Mercer a big deal? He trained MMA which is all parts of it including striking while Mercer didnt.

Kimbo oustriking Mercer isn't the big deal. The big deal is die hard boxing fan like you can't accept it. As far as I know it was an mma match and not a boxing match.

Just to come back on your question about why MMA artist don't go in boxing? It's as stupid as saying why boxers don't go in a BJJ or Judo tournament.

Most of MMA artist come from a martial art backround. Why would you ask a wrestler to box?

Kimbo oustriking Mercer isn't the big deal. The big deal is die hard boxing fan like you can't accept it. As far as I know it was an mma match and not a boxing match.

Just to come back on your question about why MMA artist don't go in boxing? It's as stupid as saying why boxers don't go in a BJJ or Judo tournament.

Most of MMA artist come from a martial art backround. Why would you ask a wrestler to box?

.............Amen

Kimbo oustriking Mercer isn't the big deal. The big deal is die hard boxing fan like you can't accept it. As far as I know it was an mma match and not a boxing match.

Just to come back on your question about why MMA artist don't go in boxing? It's as stupid as saying why boxers don't go in a BJJ or Judo tournament.

Most of MMA artist come from a martial art backround. Why would you ask a wrestler to box?


I did accept it, show me where I didnt.

Its not a stupid question because boxers are goin into MMA. Then they get **** on by MMA fans. Now Im askin why the reverse isnt happening.


And if it isnt a big deal why did you include in your post? Just stating the obvious for no reason?

Well the sky is blue usually around here.

I did accept it, show me where I didnt.

Its not a stupid question because boxers are goin into MMA. Then they get **** on by MMA fans. Now Im askin why the reverse isnt happening.


Why you ask?
Free-style Wrestling has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
BJJ has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
TKD has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
Greco-Roman Wrestling has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
And the other arts barely have anything that allows for a decent transition to boxing.
Boxing has a few excellent parts of it that can transition into MMA.

Catch a clue dude. Why in the world would you start a profession when you virtually have no transitional training in it so late in life? Why? Do you even hear yourself? This isn't rocket science we're talking about here. Why is this point so hard for you to get?

i dont know why theres such a divide.

do american football stars get insulted because theyde probably suck at soccer
and vice versa ? no of course not, its just egotisticle little twazzocks talkin ****.

On Youtube there are some vids of Bas training Kimbo!

The man came prepared and that is awesome cause it looks like he will take this sport seriously!

here's a link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0EcCef1aHQ

here's him working his grappling: http://youtube.com/watch?v=I-oJpVxZq9o&mode=related&search=

On Youtube there are some vids of Bas training Kimbo!

The man came prepared and that is awesome cause it looks like he will take this sport seriously!

here's a link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0EcCef1aHQ

here's him working his grappling: http://youtube.com/watch?v=I-oJpVxZq9o&mode=related&search=

I'm liking Kimbo more and more. Very smart of him to do some real MMA training.

Why you ask?
Free-style Wrestling has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
BJJ has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
TKD has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
Greco-Roman Wrestling has virtually no components that transfer into boxing.
And the other arts barely have anything that allows for a decent transition to boxing.
Boxing has a few excellent parts of it that can transition into MMA.

Catch a clue dude. Why in the world would you start a profession when you virtually have no transitional training in it so late in life? Why? Do you even hear yourself? This isn't rocket science we're talking about here. Why is this point so hard for you to get?

BJJ, TKD and Greco-Roman Wrestling may not but guess what, these guys train in boxing too, or some sort of striking. Its part of the Mixed martial art. Not like many only Greco-Roman wrestling people have been champions....

And the reason Im on here is to say that "this fight didnt prove ****" and only idiot like you cant understand that.

BJJ, TKD and Greco-Roman Wrestling may not but guess what, these guys train in boxing too, or some sort of striking. Its part of the Mixed martial art. Not like many only Greco-Roman wrestling people have been champions....

And the reason Im on here is to say that "this fight didnt prove ****" and only idiot like you cant understand that.
:smashfrea
You asked why, I answered why.

I don't know where in the world you're going with that train of thought.
:wtf1:

And the reason Im on here is to say that "this fight didnt prove ****" and only idiot like you cant understand that.

Who's argument are you trying to counter here? Is there someone else in here that's secretly having a debate with you?

You asked why MMA are not crossing over to boxing, and I answered it. Kimbo vs Mercer obviously proves nothing more then an old over the hill boxer who doesn't prepare at all for a MMA match against a bum, will still lose to that bum if that bum trains with Bas for a month.

Here's a tip for your paranoid self,

LEAVE.
Can you read that? Good, now act on it.

:smashfrea
You asked why, I answered why.

I don't know where in the world you're going with that train of thought.
:wtf1:

The points that being in MMA requires boxing knowledge. Crossing over for both is difficult and probably would be unsuccessful.

Who's argument are you trying to counter here? Is there someone else in here that's secretly having a debate with you?

You asked why MMA are not crossing over to boxing, and I answered it. Kimbo vs Mercer obviously proves nothing more then an old over the hill boxer who doesn't prepare at all for a MMA match against a bum, will still lose to that bum if that bum trains with Bas for a month.

Here's a tip for your paranoid self,

LEAVE.
Can you read that? Good, now act on it.

Maybe if had been on the site you would know that a certain poster on the site has been spouting bs about mma pwning boxing. Read my first post on this thread, your the one whos butting in. So why dont you


**** off.

The points that being in MMA requires boxing knowledge. Crossing over for both is difficult and probably would be unsuccessful.

Not true. MMA doesn't require any one art. There are plenty of wrestlers in MMA that couldn't box a birthday present.

Maybe if had been on the site you would know that a certain poster on the site has been spouting bs about mma pwning boxing. Read my first post on this thread, your the one whos butting in. So why dont you


There will ALWAYS be an idiot poster floating on every forum that says stupid stuff. Realheavyhands, Gunstar, and Addison just to name a few, are really annoying because they rarely make sense, and have virtually no logic to their arguments. But you don't see me going around calling people idiots who answer my questions. I don't even do that when those clowns are floating around the same thread.

You called me an idiot AFTER I answered your question. What's up with that? Then you start citing random trolls as the reason you're talking and arguing about points that were never brought up. And then accuse me of saying that this fight between kimbo and mercer actually meant something. Then you say F you when I point your retardation out.

You know what? Grow up, and don't come around these forums even after your balls drop finally. Moron.

Not true. MMA doesn't require any one art. There are plenty of wrestlers in MMA that couldn't box a birthday present.

But some of the best (Iceman, Rampage) do know how to.

Well the biggest reason I want it to happen is to rub it into 2kwells face when the MMAer loses.

You called me an idiot AFTER I answered your question. What's up with that? Then you start citing random trolls as the reason you're talking and arguing about points that were never brought up. And then accuse me of saying that this fight between kimbo and mercer actually meant something. Then you say F you when I point your retardation out.

You know what? Grow up, and don't come around these forums even after your balls drop finally. Moron.


Why dont you grow some balls, your the one who started talking **** remember, ****ing hypocrite? or is your short term memory so bad you can only talk on this forum cause its written down. If I want to argue with a dumbass then Ill do it. I can bring up points if I want, its a ****ing forum. Want me to go away? ****ing ignore me.

You started on a random point of mine which was not part of the the initatial argument. Which was that this fight was not a big deal.


Yall guys are jumping on every boxing fan for no reason. Saying everyone was saying Kimbo was gonna get knocked out. I respect and watch MMA, not as avidly as yall but Im not a die hard fan who blindly thinks boxing is better than MMA.

Can you give some credit to Kimbo?

Dude's been training hard while people was talking **** about him. Now that he completely dominated Mercer you come and say it didn't prove anything? Geeee...

It did proved that a 1 dimensional fighter cannot survive in a MMA ring even against an MMA rookie who has trained in multiple area of Martial arts.

Here's the problem:

Both men are noted for their fists.

This fight showed very little of that. Hence why it generated very little "wow, great fight". Why? Coz niether one showed their true talent.

Can you give some credit to Kimbo?

Dude's been training hard while people was talking **** about him. Now that he completely dominated Mercer you come and say it didn't prove anything? Geeee...

It did proved that a 1 dimensional fighter cannot survive in a MMA ring even against an MMA rookie who has trained in multiple area of Martial arts.

The main argument as I see it for pro-boxing domination guys is that a good boxer just needs 3-6 months of MMA training to completely lay waste to ALL MMA fighters. In fact, a boxer would knockout the guy if he tried to tackle him; is what I often hear. As far as I'm concerned, it'll always be ridiculous to argue that a one dimensional fighter would destroy a multi-dimensional one. Kimbo winning against Mercer, only showed how one month of MMA training under Bas (plus an excellent work ethic) will completely dominate an over the hill boxer who didn't bother to do any MMA training. Kimbo fought smart, and has an impeccable work ethic. But, MMAwise, he's still considered a bum. He's a bum with a lot of potential, but he's still a bum because of his inexperience. However, he is working out of bum status, and I hope to see him training for MMA more. I'm not a Kimbo fan, but that fight still hasn't taken the wind out of pro-boxing domination guys main argument.

Why dont you grow some balls, your the one who started talking **** remember, ****ing hypocrite? or is your short term memory so bad you can only talk on this forum cause its written down. I don't think talking on this forum has anything to do with memory. It's not like these forums have loads of Alzheimer patients.


If I want to argue with a dumbass then Ill do it.
:scared:

I can bring up points if I want, its a ****ing forum.Well, your quite the genius aren't ya. Now if only your points were actually comprehensive to anyone other then yourself.


Want me to go away?
Yes, and I also want AIDS, Staph Infections, Pain, and Death to go away; but it still looks like neither of them will.

****ing ignore me.
Instead of ignoring you, I would like to talk about logical points you've come up with. But since you've come up with nothing, it's only natural to ignore you until you at least sound intelligent.

You started on a random point of mine which was not part of the the initatial argument. Which was that this fight was not a big deal.
Random, you were arguing with brave_turtle about that lame point for quite some time.

Yall guys are jumping on every boxing fan for no reason.
For no reason? People like you jump in here and start posting stupid statements with paper thin arguments, and hope that people see things in the close-minded manner that you do. Here's a statement of obvious fact, not everyone is as stupid as you. The MMA section of these forums always has you retards popping in from time to time. So we dismantle your lame arguments and let imbeciles like yourself know that they need to go back to Non-Stop Boxing and keep your hate posts there. That's why we jump on you, cause we've seen so many of you idiots, that we can ID you right away.

Saying everyone was saying Kimbo was gonna get knocked out. I respect and watch MMA, not as avidly as yall but Im not a die hard fan who blindly thinks boxing is better than MMA.These are two good sentences you can leave on without looking like a complete moron.

[QUOTE=FluugMacMan;2479581]The main argument as I see it for pro-boxing domination guys is that a good boxer just needs 3-6 months of MMA training to completely lay waste to ALL MMA fighters.QUOTE]

I like to step in here to say this quote is total bull****. 3-6 months hahaHAA
These guys in ufc and around the world train years for this sport, if a boxer thought all he needed is 3 or 6 months to beat a top notch mixed martial artist he would be in for a rude awakening.

The main argument as I see it for pro-boxing domination guys is that a good boxer just needs 3-6 months of MMA training to completely lay waste to ALL MMA fighters.

I like to step in here to say this quote is total bull****. 3-6 months hahaHAA
These guys in ufc and around the world train years for this sport, if a boxer thought all he needed is 3 or 6 months to beat a top notch mixed martial artist he would be in for a rude awakening.

Yeah, I believe it's total BS as well, but that's at the core of the "argument" that I've been hearing.