View Full Version : Kimbo Beats Mercer


American_Ninja
06-24-2007, 12:38 AM
It's all over. Heres how it went.

Kimbo charges in, goes right for a takedown. Mercer grabs the cage but he goes down. Mercer up, they fight in the clinch. Big knees by Kimbo land. Mercer strikes but Kimbo answers with a combo and gets a double leg. Kimbo fighting, gets Mercer in to a choke. Mercer taps. Kimbo Slice wins by guillotine choke submission in round 1.

Source: http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/56173/411-Mania-LIVE-Coverage-of-CFFC-5:-Two-Worlds,-One-Cage.htm

Brave_turtle
06-24-2007, 12:44 AM
Mercer got totally owned.

Kimbo actually trained to be a well rounded fighter while Mercer tought he's still just an easy street fighter.

There ya go, a former Boxing heavyweight champ getting his ass whoop. So many didn't give Kimbo a chance or some credit. This fight just proved that Ground game and submission is so important.

People need to get this in die hard boxing fan head.

American_Ninja
06-24-2007, 12:46 AM
Mercer got totally owned.

Kimbo actually trained to be a well rounded fighter while Mercer tought he's still just an easy street fighter.

There ya go, a former Boxing heavyweight champ getting his ass whoop. So many didn't give Kimbo a chance or some credit. This fight just proved that Ground game and submission is so important.

People need to get this in die hard boxing fan head.
Mercer wasnt the right guy to beat Slice. Old and stiff.
We want Tyson !!!!!!!!! Ahahahahaha

1bad65
06-24-2007, 12:50 AM
Even though I admit I picked Mercer to win, anyone saying it's a huge win for MMA vs boxing is a moron. Mercer is WAY past his prime. Quite simply, a younger, better trained guy beat a much older guy who admitted he did not cross train.

Brave_turtle
06-24-2007, 12:50 AM
Tyson is old and stiff also. He would get submit even faster.

What I find funny is how people direspect Kimbo and say he would get clearly whoop but the opposite hapenned. I'm not here to argue about the MMA vs boxing stuff, I'm just trying to explain die hard boxing fan who think boxers can just strike people to death whitout hitting the ground. REREAD.

He got choked by a rookie in submission. Imagine against a seasoned wrestler/bjj artist.

mr.anthrax
06-24-2007, 01:36 AM
Even though I admit I picked Mercer to win, anyone saying it's a huge win for MMA vs boxing is a moron. Mercer is WAY past his prime. Quite simply, a younger, better trained guy beat a much older guy who admitted he did not cross train.

See, you are pretty cool guy. I like the fact that you are calling it truthfully, and I am happy that we live in the same city and we will have the chance to hang out.

Kimbo won the fight by doing all the right things; training for the ground game, and using all his striking weapons except his fists against a former boxer. Smart move.

I wanted Ray to win because I have been a fan of his since the early 90's, but Ray didn't put in all the hard work that Kimbo did. I believe Mercer is a much better athlete than Kimbo but he negated that advantage by not cross-training. Not a smart move.

Hey, seriously, does anybody know how you get one of those street fights with Kimbo? How does that work, and is there really a briefcase of cash if you beat Kimbo?

Gareth Ivanovic
06-24-2007, 01:52 AM
Dang I thought Kimbo was going to slug it out with Mercer, he thought bettter of it and went to the ground game. I thought Mercer was going to kick his ass guess I was wrong.

1bad65
06-24-2007, 01:53 AM
See, you are pretty cool guy. I like the fact that you are calling it truthfully, and I am happy that we live in the same city and we will have the chance to hang out.

Thanks. I appreciate that. Glad we did not hang out Friday night in Killeen. The fighter I cornered lost.

the giant one
06-24-2007, 02:00 AM
you guys know that Bas Rutten trained Kimbo for this bout?

mr.anthrax
06-24-2007, 02:00 AM
Thanks. I appreciate that. Glad we did not hang out Friday night in Killeen. The fighter I cornered lost.

Sorry to hear about the loss. Was it a clear-cut type of loss, or a bad decision? Is your guy okay otherwise?

1bad65
06-24-2007, 02:20 AM
Lost by dec. He was not robbed. Call me and tell ya the story.

me2007
06-24-2007, 01:18 PM
Mercer is a dinosaur at 46. He's just fighting for money, i doubt he even cared that much that he lost. He showed no speed, aggression or power.

Did Mercer ever show speed, aggression or power? You can`t wait around like in boxing...Kimbo showed that he can step up to the plate. Good for him. He showed a lot of balls going on TV and doing that, especially as he has been basically fighting in back yards.

I think Kimbo needs a few more MMA fights, then he should be put in the UFC.

His downfall in my mind was always his conditioning, I see Mr Rutten has sorted that out.

Lethal
06-24-2007, 01:36 PM
Even though I admit I picked Mercer to win, anyone saying it's a huge win for MMA vs boxing is a moron. Mercer is WAY past his prime. Quite simply, a younger, better trained guy beat a much older guy who admitted he did not cross train.

No. NSB said a BOXER would win in MMA. They didn't plus or minus any limitations. Now if you say a Boxer with a 30-0 record with 29KOs who is 25 years old and watches The Sopranos while breaking bricks with his fingers THEN that is fine.

MMA wins.

Lethal
06-24-2007, 01:37 PM
you guys know that Bas Rutten trained Kimbo for this bout?

I was tryna tell them!

1bad65
06-24-2007, 02:22 PM
No. NSB said a BOXER would win in MMA. They didn't plus or minus any limitations. Now if you say a Boxer with a 30-0 record with 29KOs who is 25 years old and watches The Sopranos while breaking bricks with his fingers THEN that is fine.

MMA wins.

Cool. I was just saying that I chose wrong and manning up about it. I honestly chose Mercer to win not because I felt he was a great fighter, but I felt Kimbo would gas and knew too little mma anyway. Props to Kimbo for picking up Bas' training so fast, I was wrong. Remember, I did predict Morrison to lose his MMA bout, he only won because it was not an MMA bout at all. It was just boxing with 4oz gloves.

But your right in that all the 'boxing > MMA' guys do look bad right now.

FYI, you are very knowledgable about MMA.

Lethal
06-24-2007, 03:11 PM
Cool. I was just saying that I chose wrong and manning up about it. I honestly chose Mercer to win not because I felt he was a great fighter, but I felt Kimbo would gas and knew too little mma anyway. Props to Kimbo for picking up Bas' training so fast, I was wrong. Remember, I did predict Morrison to lose his MMA bout, he only won because it was not an MMA bout at all. It was just boxing with 4oz gloves.

But your right in that all the 'boxing > MMA' guys do look bad right now.

FYI, you are very knowledgable about MMA.

Yeah Kimbo learned alot really quickly. He used a Muay Thai Clinch, effective striking, good grappling control and nice takedown to finish with a submission. All that in what appeared to be "little" training time.

Genghis Con
06-25-2007, 12:19 AM
Kimbo showed that Olympic boxer what MMA is about even though he's a street fighter himself...

dave777
06-25-2007, 06:14 AM
Few months back everyone said kimbo was a boxer who would get owned in MMA :puppy_dog

Feel sorry for Ray having to earn money by fighting scum like Kimbo though.

75th
06-25-2007, 06:18 AM
Kimbo showed that Olympic boxer what MMA is about even though he's a street fighter himself...

You beat up a old retired, who was at one top a contender, and that proves what exactly?

Get a clud ****dicks.

lennon
06-25-2007, 08:12 AM
See, you are pretty cool guy. I like the fact that you are calling it truthfully, and I am happy that we live in the same city and we will have the chance to hang out.

Kimbo won the fight by doing all the right things; training for the ground game, and using all his striking weapons except his fists against a former boxer. Smart move.

I wanted Ray to win because I have been a fan of his since the early 90's, but Ray didn't put in all the hard work that Kimbo did. I believe Mercer is a much better athlete than Kimbo but he negated that advantage by not cross-training. Not a smart move.

Hey, seriously, does anybody know how you get one of those street fights with Kimbo? How does that work, and is there really a briefcase of cash if you beat Kimbo?He did train mma, the new jersey liscensing board supervised it in order to lcssence him to fight in an mma fight.
Ray threw one punch in the entire fight. It went to the ground immediatley, in fact Ray rolled out from kimbo when he took him down and got back up, kimbo was sloppy. Ray would win a standup fight, thats why kimbo took it down. Kimbo said he wanted to bang with mercer, he didnt, that win does nothing for his credibility, everyone knows he has a glass chin and thats why he only has standup boxing matches with guys that cant punch. The only mma guy he fought was in a match that he insisted they only box lol. He is no warrior. If Holyfield said he wante dto stand toe to toe and bang, he would do dit, thats a warrior. Yeah he was smart in doing what he did but it snot what anyone watched it to see.

SonnyG8R
06-25-2007, 10:08 AM
MMA wins.

lol, kimbo isn't even a true mma guy and mercer is over the hill. One win does not determine the "better" sport/athletes.

I guess boxing fans could have said the same when Morrison won.

1bad65
06-25-2007, 10:31 AM
I guess boxing fans could have said the same when Morrison won.

Morrison did not win an mma bout. He won a boxing match with 4oz gloves.

porlie
06-25-2007, 11:45 AM
Few months back everyone said kimbo was a boxer who would get owned in MMA :puppy_dog

Feel sorry for Ray having to earn money by fighting scum like Kimbo though.

Kimbos not scum, any interview Ive read with him he comes across as a good guy.

lennon
06-25-2007, 08:51 PM
mercer actually blocked the mauy thai knees and all the punches and elbows, big deal he got submitted, so did another 3 mma fighters on the undercard in the first round. Look at ken shamrock in his fights with ortiz, he d just as good as shamrock.

Brave_turtle
06-27-2007, 12:17 AM
mercer actually blocked the mauy thai knees and all the punches and elbows, big deal he got submitted, so did another 3 mma fighters on the undercard in the first round. Look at ken shamrock in his fights with ortiz, he d just as good as shamrock.

Mercer, didn't block all.

Some connected partially and I'm sure it hurt him. He was clueless when they were close and couln't deal with clinches.

IronNick.
06-27-2007, 01:09 AM
wow i cant believe kimbo won. i thought of him as a internet brawler who could only beat bums. ( well he did beat a washed up mercer, a shell of his former self)

75th
06-27-2007, 01:45 AM
Kimbo trainined with the great Bas Rutten for months prior to this match.

Mercer has a punchers chance at beast.

Cuauhtémoc1520
06-27-2007, 02:00 PM
To all you pro MMA guys and anti-boxing guys I will ask one simple question to see if you can answer it honestly. Why is it when we see spectacles like this one (Mercer vs Kimbo) it's always in the MMA world? We never see a MMA guy go to the boxing world and try his skills, it's always the other way around. Or for that matter, a guy who has zero experience in fighting (Chad Morton of the NFL) go into MMA and not boxing?

I think arguing the fact that one is better than the other is stupid because they are apples and oranges, two totally different sports. But I will say it seems that it is at least easier to win in an MMA fight if you have zero experience than you do in a boxing ring with a proffesional boxer. The few that have tried their luck in boxing not having any experience have gotten killed. Where as, guys like butterbean actually had mimited success in the MMA world when he decided to fight........hhmmm just makes me think.

FluugMacMan
06-27-2007, 03:58 PM
To all you pro MMA guys and anti-boxing guys I will ask one simple question to see if you can answer it honestly. Why is it when we see spectacles like this one (Mercer vs Kimbo) it's always in the MMA world? We never see a MMA guy go to the boxing world and try his skills, it's always the other way around. Or for that matter, a guy who has zero experience in fighting (Chad Morton of the NFL) go into MMA and not boxing?

I think arguing the fact that one is better than the other is stupid because they are apples and oranges, two totally different sports. But I will say it seems that it is at least easier to win in an MMA fight if you have zero experience than you do in a boxing ring with a proffesional boxer. The few that have tried their luck in boxing not having any experience have gotten killed. Where as, guys like butterbean actually had mimited success in the MMA world when he decided to fight........hhmmm just makes me think.
I'm not an anti-boxing guy, but I'll still respond.
1) Those type of spectacles are almost always run by Japanese companies. Because in that country, a large majority of people like to experiment with the "what ifs" of fighting. Japan has always been known for their David vs. Goliath matches.
2) Mercer got himself into that mess, Kimbo didn't attend one of his boxing matches and call him out in MMA.
3) To fight in MMA you need a martial art, and boxing is considered a martial art (martial meaning military). So boxers can readily fight in MMA (not too successfully though.
4) Most MMA fighters started in BJJ or wrestling. There would be absolutely no point in trying to make a career as a boxer soo late in life.
5) In a boxing match, MMA fighters are NOT allowed to use their BJJ, wrestling, Muey Tai, etc. But a boxer in a MMA match is allowed to use his boxing and whatever else he wants to use. In a MMA match, everyone can use any style they want without restrictions (besides the obvious ones). That's why some MMA fighters call out boxers in MMA, because there is NO restriction on fighting styles like a boxing match has.

I hope that answered your question.

1bad65
06-27-2007, 07:52 PM
To all you pro MMA guys and anti-boxing guys I will ask one simple question to see if you can answer it honestly. Why is it when we see spectacles like this one (Mercer vs Kimbo) it's always in the MMA world? We never see a MMA guy go to the boxing world and try his skills, it's always the other way around. Or for that matter, a guy who has zero experience in fighting (Chad Morton of the NFL) go into MMA and not boxing?

I think arguing the fact that one is better than the other is stupid because they are apples and oranges, two totally different sports. But I will say it seems that it is at least easier to win in an MMA fight if you have zero experience than you do in a boxing ring with a proffesional boxer. The few that have tried their luck in boxing not having any experience have gotten killed. Where as, guys like butterbean actually had mimited success in the MMA world when he decided to fight........hhmmm just makes me think.


The boxers that do enter MMA just don't realize it's a different sport and they have little chance of winning. Most MMA guys know a good boxer will beat them in boxing.