http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edz99Oua4Uo

so a thai boxer beats a boxer in athai boxing match. who's shocked by this?

the boxer didn't seem great, after taking the first kick he was very gun shy when it would have been best for him to move in and out, drawing a kick and then countering when he misses(mr thai had crap revoery) i know its easier said though!

Boxing vs. Muay Thai.

Can't believe this Muay Thai fighter is actually going to try to "box";

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9miCXq00mY4

I think a competant boxer with a yellow belt in karate (in other words, that just had some basic knowledge of kicking defense) would murder a muay Thai guy. He would have to smother him on the inside with punches and just watch out for front kicks. Angling off and moving rapidly inside would take care of the Thau leg kicks.

I think a competant boxer with a yellow belt in karate (in other words, that just had some basic knowledge of kicking defense) would murder a muay Thai guy. He would have to smother him on the inside with punches and just watch out for front kicks. Angling off and moving rapidly inside would take care of the Thau leg kicks.

I Doubt...

Seriously doubt...

Everything depends on the fighter.

I think a competant boxer with a yellow belt in karate (in other words, that just had some basic knowledge of kicking defense) would murder a muay Thai guy. He would have to smother him on the inside with punches and just watch out for front kicks. Angling off and moving rapidly inside would take care of the Thau leg kicks.


I guess you have not ever been on the receiveing end of a cut kick!?
Karate is useless against Muay Thai

Boxing vs. Muay Thai.

Can't believe this Muay Thai fighter is actually going to try to "box";

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9miCXq00mY4

hahaha,good comeback.:lol1:

I guess you have not ever been on the receiveing end of a cut kick!?
Karate is useless against Muay Thai

i have but once you get close there is NO power! just out of punching range and they could knock a tree down!

Boxing vs. Muay Thai.

Can't believe this Muay Thai fighter is actually going to try to "box";

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9miCXq00mY4



Hilarious!!

Here's another good video - Former WBA Super featherweight champ Choi Yong Soo's debut vs a muay thai champ from sweden (according to commentators). I think he is getting set up to fight another Boxer in his weight division, Sirimongkol of Thailand who he had lost to previously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDJ6GeRRh4

i have but once you get close there is NO power! just out of punching range and they could knock a tree down!

Exactly!

And the boxer would not be using karate in the match only boxing. The purpose of the karate lessons would be to give him basic kicking defense skills.

I think a competant boxer with a yellow belt in karate (in other words, that just had some basic knowledge of kicking defense) would murder a muay Thai guy. He would have to smother him on the inside with punches and just watch out for front kicks. Angling off and moving rapidly inside would take care of the Thau leg kicks.

It's not enough to know how to just block the kick. He definately should have learned how to before the fight, but leg kicks are fast and hard to see coming, it takes a lot of experience to be able to block them a lot

i have but once you get close there is NO power! just out of punching range and they could knock a tree down!

There are also knees and elbows to worry about.

[QUOTE=LoftyDog;2453736]It's not enough to know how to just block the kick. He definately should have learned how to before the fight, but leg kicks are fast and hard to see coming, it takes a lot of experience to be able to block them a lot

Yes but that is only a major issue if you have two people standing in front of one another in kicking range (as is the case when you have one kicker vs another kicker). If you have one person immediately charging inside on another person, that second person only really has one chance for a real kick before the guy is inside. Once he is inside, goodnight. The boxer should know at what point he is in kicking range during his charge inside so he will be relatively prepared. That is the only instant the Thai boxer has. It is possible for the Thai Boxer to take this but I would put my money on the Boxer.

If you have one person immediately charging inside on another person, that second person only really has one chance for a real kick before the guy is inside. Once he is inside, goodnight. The boxer should know at what point he is in kicking range during his charge inside so he will be relatively prepared. That is the only instant the Thai boxer has. It is possible for the Thai Boxer to take this but I would put my money on the Boxer.

It's not goodnight. The Muey Tai fighter has clenches that are >>>>> then the boxers' clenches. Even with a good boxer, you can still smother his punches. MT fighters' have many effective tools to work with. If the boxer gets past the kicking range thing, he still has loads of other things to worry about.

If I was to bet money, it would be on the seasoned MT fighter over the professional boxer. Obviously this wouldn't mean every fight would go that way, but the MT fighter would garner most of the wins without a doubt.

Here's Bukaw, the best Thai fighter ever taking on a boxer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gEf3EqyRP0

Yes but that is only a major issue if you have two people standing in front of one another in kicking range (as is the case when you have one kicker vs another kicker). If you have one person immediately charging inside on another person, that second person only really has one chance for a real kick before the guy is inside. Once he is inside, goodnight. The boxer should know at what point he is in kicking range during his charge inside so he will be relatively prepared. That is the only instant the Thai boxer has. It is possible for the Thai Boxer to take this but I would put my money on the Boxer.

Theres not one chance to kick a guy if he runs it. If you throw a front kick good you will just push him back. I don't understand how you are completely disreguarding elbows, knees, and the clinch. On top of other habits that would be bad in a MT fight, like exaggerated head movement. Its fine when a boxer bends his back to avoid a punch in a boxing match, bringing his head low...but when you have to worry about a knee or shin to the face, its a bad thing to do.

Theres not one chance to kick a guy if he runs it. If you throw a front kick good you will just push him back. I don't understand how you are completely disreguarding elbows, knees, and the clinch. On top of other habits that would be bad in a MT fight, like exaggerated head movement. Its fine when a boxer bends his back to avoid a punch in a boxing match, bringing his head low...but when you have to worry about a knee or shin to the face, its a bad thing to do.

Don't waste your breath explaining yourself. The guy has no clue what he is talking about. As soon as a boxer gets kicked once he will be to gun shy to even come near the Thai fighter. After that it will be over very soon. A boxer under K-1 rules will not do well against a Muay Thai/kickboxer. If the situation were switched where the Thai fighter would have to fight under boxing rules then he would most likely loose unless he had really good hands. It's non-sense arguing this. I just wanted to show a simple video about how liberal the Japanese organizations were. It reminds me of the old UFC where they pitted fighting arts of different disciplines against one another. The only difference is they handicapped the boxer to be a boxer and the Thai fighter to be a Thai fighter.

Theres not one chance to kick a guy if he runs it. If you throw a front kick good you will just push him back. I don't understand how you are completely disreguarding elbows, knees, and the clinch. On top of other habits that would be bad in a MT fight, like exaggerated head movement. Its fine when a boxer bends his back to avoid a punch in a boxing match, bringing his head low...but when you have to worry about a knee or shin to the face, its a bad thing to do.

Well as far as the front kick goes, I mentioned simple "angling off tactics" (Something that the boxer happens to know a little about anyway) when I was talking about giving him a basic education in kicking defense. You can angle off and penetrate more or less at the same time. Tyson and other boxers practiced this (Within the scope of boxing). Now before the Thai boxer can get to a clinch he has to survive the boxer's hands. In addition, boxers often clinch to paralyze the arms (leaving the Thai boxer somewhat helpless). Thai boxer's are used to defending against Thai clinches, which are used instead to set up strikes. Who's arm's and clinch are going to be stronger? it will be the one who trains ONLY his arms and upper body: The boxer. A Thai boxers is not going to muscle around a boxer in 9 out of 10 cases.

Well as far as the front kick goes, I mentioned simple "angling off tactics" (Something that the boxer happens to know a little about anyway) when I was talking about giving him a basic education in kicking defense. You can angle off and penetrate more or less at the same time. Tyson and other boxers practiced this (Within the scope of boxing).
Angling doesn't work that easily on MT kicks. Your angling gets stopped EVERY time the MT fighter throws a chopping leg kick. Take a couple chops to the legs, and your legs will be angled different ways by those kicks. That angling off tactic doesn't work in reality. If you want to double check, find your local MT dojo and try some of that angling as they kick you at top speed. You'll see what I mean.

Now before the Thai boxer can get to a clinch he has to survive the boxer's hands. In addition, boxers often clinch to paralyze the arms (leaving the Thai boxer somewhat helpless).
To survive? If the boxers' charging in, it's a piece of cake to smother his punches and get the clench. Now about the boxers' clench, no, no it's NOT going to make the Thai boxer helpless. If the boxer thinks that it would be a good idea to clench with a MT fighter, he's going to get a unpleasant surprise.
Granted the Boxer will most likely not be done if he does so, but he will definitely NOT want to clench after feel the amount of energy he lost just dealing with the pressure that the clench put on his neck as well as his back, not to mention the elbows and knees to head, body, and legs.
Thai boxer's are used to defending against Thai clinches, which are used instead to set up strikes. Who's arm's and clinch are going to be stronger? it will be the one who trains ONLY his arms and upper body: The boxer. Thai clenches are without a doubt stronger then a boxers' clench. Almost every boxing clench is underhooks, and weak ones at that. Boxers' can't develop effective clenches like MT clenches because of the rules and huge gloves, period. Thai clenches don't setup strikes? Ummm.... Leave this forum, please.

A Thai boxers is not going to muscle around a boxer in 9 out of 10 cases.
Yes they are 4 out of 5 times. It's called leverage and pressure, please take the time you're away from this forum to learn about those two principles. Those principles are essential to learn the vast difference between MT clenches and boxing clenches.

Angling doesn't work that easily on MT kicks. Your angling gets stopped EVERY time the MT fighter throws a chopping leg kick. Take a couple chops to the legs, and your legs will be angled different ways by those kicks. That angling off tactic doesn't work in reality. If you want to double check, find your local MT dojo and try some of that angling as they kick you at top speed. You'll see what I mean.


To survive? If the boxers' charging in, it's a piece of cake to smother his punches and get the clench. Now about the boxers' clench, no, no it's NOT going to make the Thai boxer helpless. If the boxer thinks that it would be a good idea to clench with a MT fighter, he's going to get a unpleasant surprise.
Granted the Boxer will most likely not be done if he does so, but he will definitely NOT want to clench after feel the amount of energy he lost just dealing with the pressure that the clench put on his neck as well as his back, not to mention the elbows and knees to head, body, and legs.
Thai clenches are without a doubt stronger then a boxers' clench. Almost every boxing clench is underhooks, and weak ones at that. Boxers' can't develop effective clenches like MT clenches because of the rules and huge gloves, period. Thai clenches don't setup strikes? Ummm.... Leave this forum, please.


Yes they are 4 out of 5 times. It's called leverage and pressure, please take the time you're away from this forum to learn about those two principles. Those principles are essential to learn the vast difference between MT clenches and boxing clenches.

a piece of cake to smother a boxer's punch? lol and you want to tell someone else to take a break from the forum?! my friend your imagining another Muay Thai fighter in there throwing punches not a real boxer. Thai clenches may be stronger than Boxing clenches in design but Thai boxers are not physically stronger than Boxers. The Thai boxer has to be strong enough to get his type of clinch and repel the boxer's type of clinch before he can use that leverage.

Thai clenches don't setup strikes? Ummm.... Leave this forum, please.

What are you talking about? You just admitted they did in the same post, see below.

Granted the Boxer will most likely not be done if he does so, but he will definitely NOT want to clench after feel the amount of energy he lost just dealing with the pressure that the clench put on his neck as well as his back, not to mention the elbows and knees to head, body, and legs.

Oh by the way, if a Thai boxer is stupid enough to put both of his hands behind a boxer's neck for just a quarter of second he's going to be lifted off of the canvas by an uppercut. "Protect yourself at all times". That is why boxers use underhooks in the first place.

Here's Bukaw, the best Thai fighter ever taking on a boxer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gEf3EqyRP0

A boxer? well whoever this alleged boxer is, why is he kicking? This is not really western boxing vs Muay Thai, it's some guy untrained in muay Thai trying to use Muay Thai to take out another man that is trained in it (and by the way, he is not much of a boxer either, he throws a left hook on the outside from over his shoulder from five feet away lol). Now the footage posted earlier of the Thai guy taking all those rights and hooks to the head and then going down, that was Muay Thai vs Boxing.

a piece of cake to smother a boxer's punch?
Read the rest of the sentence retard, "If the boxers' charging in".


lol and you want to tell someone else to take a break from the forum?! my friend your imagining another Muay Thai fighter in there throwing punches not a real boxer.
Idiots always laugh when they try to make a witty comeback and fail with the example they use.


Thai clenches may be stronger than Boxing clenches in design but Thai boxers are not physically stronger than Boxers. The Thai boxer has to be strong enough to get his type of clinch and repel the boxer's type of clinch before he can use that leverage.
It's not primarily about strength tard, it's mainly about pressure and leverage. Have someone who is competent at MT clenches put you in a proper one, and you'll see first hand how big guys get manhandled by MT clenches.



Oh by the way, if a Thai boxer is stupid enough to put both of his hands behind a boxer's neck for just a quarter of second he's going to be lifted off of the canvas by an uppercut. "Protect yourself at all times". That is why boxers use underhooks in the first place.
Looks like you need some Blue's Clues instruction to figure out what's wrong with what you said.
If the clench is behind the boxers' neck, where are the elbows?
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either to the side or vertically.
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If it's vertical, no uppercut is going to get through.
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At that point, only glancing (at best) cheek punches could get through.


Again, LEAVE.

Palma is right, arguing with him is pointless. I do pointless things so...

a piece of cake to smother a boxer's punch? lol and you want to tell someone else to take a break from the forum?! my friend your imagining another Muay Thai fighter in there throwing punches not a real boxer. Thai clenches may be stronger than Boxing clenches in design but Thai boxers are not physically stronger than Boxers. The Thai boxer has to be strong enough to get his type of clinch and repel the boxer's type of clinch before he can use that leverage.



What are you talking about? You just admitted they did in the same post, see below.



Oh by the way, if a Thai boxer is stupid enough to put both of his hands behind a boxer's neck for just a quarter of second he's going to be lifted off of the canvas by an uppercut. "Protect yourself at all times". That is why boxers use underhooks in the first place.

Do you honestly believe all you have to do to stop a clinch is to throw an uppercut? Then there would never be any clinches in MT. What MT guys can't throw uppercuts? Common sense tells you that its not that easy, otherwise there wouldn't be any clinching. Somehow its easy to throw a hook when someone is pulling you down into a knee? Wow, I had no clue.

Read the rest of the sentence retard, "If the boxers' charging in".


Idiots always laugh when they try to make a witty comeback and fail with the example they use.


It's not primarily about strength tard, it's mainly about pressure and leverage. Have someone who is competent at MT clenches put you in a proper one, and you'll see first hand how big guys get manhandled by MT clenches.



Looks like you need some Blue's Clues instruction to figure out what's wrong with what you said.
If the clench is behind the boxers' neck, where are the elbows?
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either to the side or vertically.
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If it's vertical, no uppercut is going to get through.
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At that point, only glancing (at best) cheek punches could get through.


Again, LEAVE.




How old are you?

Well back to the issue (although i don't know how long i will continue this specific exchange if the maturity level continues to deteriorate).

Read the rest of the sentence retard, "If the boxers' charging in".

If that were true then the great "Swarmers" of boxing history would have never been effective.

It's not primarily about strength tard, it's mainly about pressure and leverage. Have someone who is competent at MT clenches put you in a proper one, and you'll see first hand how big guys get manhandled by MT clenches.


You did not even carefully read what i wrote when I was speaking about the clinch, read it again (or look at the post after this one where I mention it again to another poster).

If it's vertical, no uppercut is going to get through.

What? This is a fantasy. Uppercuts get through within clinches between boxers, which are far more protective.

Palma is right, arguing with him is pointless. I do pointless things so...



Do you honestly believe all you have to do to stop a clinch is to throw an uppercut? Then there would never be any clinches in MT. What MT guys can't throw uppercuts? Common sense tells you that its not that easy, otherwise there wouldn't be any clinching. Somehow its easy to throw a hook when someone is pulling you down into a knee? Wow, I had no clue.

No! Muay thai guys can't throw uppercuts... compared to a boxer. I've seen muay thai fighters throw uppercut like punches from inside so I know they sometimes try it. The point is they don't have anywhere near the power of a boxer in their arms (or usually the technique).

If this is to be a match where the boxer is ungloved like his opponent, I don't even want to think about what would happen if a serious barehanded combination were landed on the head of that Muay Thai fighter.
Haven't you seen the destruction that a boxer brings about upon another boxer with his hands sheathed in 12 ounce gloves?

As for landing a hook when your being pulled into a knee, the Thai guy has to win the clinch war first. The boxer is going to want to be in a boxer's type of clinch, not in a muay Thai clinch, and whoever is more powerful is going to prevail in that. You just automatically put the boxer in a thai clinch in your scenario. The Thai boxer has to prevent his own arms from being tied up. The boxer clinches, then times his release to land that hook.

Palma is right, arguing with him is pointless. I do pointless things so...


Yeah, but I kind of become a sucker for trolls. They're just soo retarded, that mid conversation you're thinking to yourself "This guy can't seriously believe this, I can't believe anyone this retarded is still alive on this earth. With this guy's common sense, he should have been hit by a truck a long time ago for not looking both ways."
:smashfrea

So I guess you and Palma are right, I'll leave this guy alone until natural causes kill him, proving that 'survival of the fittest' works eventually.

Yeah, but I kind of become a sucker for trolls. They're just soo retarded, that mid conversation you're thinking to yourself "This guy can't seriously believe this, I can't believe anyone this retarded is still alive on this earth. With this guy's common sense, he should have been hit by a truck a long time ago for not looking both ways."


Hemichromis agreed that a boxer would be better on the inside and so probably would the majority of the people on this forum (after all, it is a boxing forum). Reasonable people can disagree. Learn to deal with differences of opinion like an adult.

*Still waiting for natural causes to kill this retard*
Wow, evolution sure takes a while. I hope this doesn't take a million years like the last cycle.

A boxer who trains in Muay Thai for 1 year will be a very good Muay Thai fighter...a boxer with no Muay Thai training not only will be unable to defend against leg kicks...but unable to deal with the clinch.

Don't forget, a geriatric Vince Phillips put up a great effort against Masato who not only had much better skills, but also was much bigger...and Phillips held his own.

Checking kicks and learning how to avoid the clinch are crucial to becoming a good thai boxer.

A boxer? well whoever this alleged boxer is, why is he kicking? This is not really western boxing vs Muay Thai, it's some guy untrained in muay Thai trying to use Muay Thai to take out another man that is trained in it (and by the way, he is not much of a boxer either, he throws a left hook on the outside from over his shoulder from five feet away lol). Now the footage posted earlier of the Thai guy taking all those rights and hooks to the head and then going down, that was Muay Thai vs Boxing.

His opponent is a Greek boxer, but he is fighting a Muay Thai match so he has to follow the rules. What did you think!? he would box!

His opponent is a Greek boxer, but he is fighting a Muay Thai match so he has to follow the rules. What did you think!? he would box!

That would be the only way to test the efficiency of one art vs the other. I thought all the techniques of western boxing were legal in Muay Thai ?
Ofcourse in general you would have to get a real boxer, not a person with boxing technique like this guy.

A boxer who trains in Muay Thai for 1 year will be a very good Muay Thai fighter...a boxer with no Muay Thai training not only will be unable to defend against leg kicks...but unable to deal with the clinch.

Don't forget, a geriatric Vince Phillips put up a great effort against Masato who not only had much better skills, but also was much bigger...and Phillips held his own.

Checking kicks and learning how to avoid the clinch are crucial to becoming a good thai boxer.

Yes this is more or less what i was trying to say, except i used karate in my example. The key thing is, he would be "very good" against a Thai boxer as you've said, because he would have the defense, and because he would have Western boxing techniques, not because he could use thai techniques more effectively than a Thai boxer with so little training. The only thing i disagree with you about slightly is the clinch. As i've said before, he would have to get to his type of clinch first by repelling the boxer's clinch.

A boxer who trains in Muay Thai for 1 year will be a very good Muay Thai fighter...a boxer with no Muay Thai training not only will be unable to defend against leg kicks...but unable to deal with the clinch.

Don't forget, a geriatric Vince Phillips put up a great effort against Masato who not only had much better skills, but also was much bigger...and Phillips held his own.

Really? wow. I mean Phillips is old and so he is not a good sample but I am really impressed that a Thai boxer could take him on. I've got to look for the footage.

That would be the only way to test the efficiency of one art vs the other. I thought all the techniques of western boxing were legal in Muay Thai ?
Ofcourse in general you would have to get a real boxer, not a person with boxing technique like this guy.

Watch the video that i first posted on this thread. It shows a boxer fighting a Muay Thai fighter.