which one gave you the most?:boxing:

this thread aint for panzies only for hardcore mofos who take creatine.

Reflex creapure creatine its the bollocks

which one gave you the most?:boxing:

this thread aint for panzies only for hardcore mofos who take creatine.

Domain, id like you to explain what creatine does.

I used to take maximuscle creatine, but that was quite a while ago. I don't take it for boxing.

:boxing:

Domain, id like you to explain what creatine does.

And, assuming you get it right, explain exactly how creatine supplementation benefits you as a boxer.

Thats retarded. Creatine in no way helps you as a boxer. And no, you're not a "hardcore mofo" if you take creatine.

Domain, id like you to explain what creatine does.

this mu****a how many time we gotta explain **** to you? you gotta be slow or somethign lol go look it up yourself...like i said this aint for panzies get out.

Pfft, I am more natural then Mr.Angry.

I took, Xyience which was good, Im currently taking NO XPLODE b4 my boxing workouts because it has more caffiene than creatine, but i was taking Xyeince b4 boxing, but the NO Xplode is really good.

I took, Xyience which was good, Im currently taking NO XPLODE b4 my boxing workouts because it has more caffiene than creatine, but i was taking Xyeince b4 boxing, but the NO Xplode is really good.

how do you feel with no xplode? i heard if your lazy it gets you pumped to go workout is that true? what did you feel.

this mu****a how many time we gotta explain **** to you? you gotta be slow or somethign lol go look it up yourself...like i said this aint for panzies get out.

You dodged everyone's questions in here. You've never used creatine before have you. You just made this thread to find out what the stuff is. Also, more than two ppl have already asked you to explain how creatine helps in boxing.And Im the slow one? What do you consider yourself?? Thats a real knock on society.

this mu****a how many time we gotta explain **** to you? you gotta be slow or somethign lol go look it up yourself...like i said this aint for panzies get out.

IIRC, I had to explain it to YOU (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2338130&postcount=24) last time.

You dodged everyone's questions in here. You've never used creatine before have you. You just made this thread to find out what the stuff is. Also, more than two ppl have already asked you to explain how creatine helps in boxing.And Im the slow one? What do you consider yourself?? Thats a real knock on society.

listen you fool

I dont know the scientific **** aight? lol mu****a acting like some smart alec pendejo! hahah

come dog i take that **** just cause i dont know the science dont mean i dont take it.

you act like its steroids and hard to get? you can pick up a bottle at your local health store.

you only 14 i bet and you want to know because you wanna buy some lol

im so tired of all these idiots. once someone even mentions a supplement they get all crazy and defensive about how they are bad for you when they werent being asked in the first place.

I dont know if you are talking about boxing or lifting weights but i took NO-Xplode before my workouts and it worked pretty good. I would give me a pump and help me get that 11th and 12 rep that i couldlnt normally do. It could be a placebo effect but w/e. I used to take superpump b4 my basketball games and i would be all over the court and never get tired. So i guess its a matter of someone's opinion.

listen you fool

I dont know the scientific **** aight?


Learn the scientific ****.

RANT FOLLOWS

I have never encountered a group of athletes who knew less, on average, than the boxers I have met. Physiology, training methods, supplementation, nutrition. . . . the worst and most ridiculous advice I've read, pound for pound, has been on boxing boards; and some of the dumbest things I've heard people say, from an athletic physiology standpoint, has come from the mouths of boxers at my gym.

I came to boxing after fencing in college and bodybuilding through my 20's. It's a sad state of affairs when a college fencer -- who requires only the smallest fraction of the athleticism of a competitive boxer -- understands more about something as simple as how to treat a muscle cramp or the proper way to stretch than the typical boxer does.

Do you, Domain -- and others, this is open to you, too -- actually PRIDE yourself on not knowing "the scientific ****?" ****in' LEARN it. If these bodybuilder meatheads can figure out how to count calories and increase nutrient effectiveness through glucose ****ing and uptake windows, you can sure as hell do it, too.

Because here's a news flash: every other sport in the world is using the latest training methods, the newest breakthroughs in nutrition and supplementation, the most recent findings in physiology and exercise science. Read through websites for triathletes, marathon runners, bodybuilders, powerlifters, soccer players, and see what those guys know. It'll blow your Goddamned mind. We are cavemen compared to them.

You've got to get smart, guys. Inside the ring and outside of it. Learn the scientific ****. It isn't that hard.

/rant

Learn the scientific ****.

RANT FOLLOWS

I have never encountered a group of athletes who knew less, on average, than the boxers I have met. Physiology, training methods, supplementation, nutrition. . . . the worst and most ridiculous advice I've read, pound for pound, has been on boxing boards; and some of the dumbest things I've heard people say, from an athletic physiology standpoint, has come from the mouths of boxers at my gym.

I came to boxing after fencing in college and bodybuilding through my 20's. It's a sad state of affairs when a college fencer -- who requires only the smallest fraction of the athleticism of a competitive boxer -- understands more about something as simple as how to treat a muscle cramp or the proper way to stretch than the typical boxer does.

Do you, Domain -- and others, this is open to you, too -- actually PRIDE yourself on not knowing "the scientific ****?" ****in' LEARN it. If these bodybuilder meatheads can figure out how to count calories and increase nutrient effectiveness through glucose ****ing and uptake windows, you can sure as hell do it, too.

Because here's a news flash: every other sport in the world is using the latest training methods, the newest breakthroughs in nutrition and supplementation, the most recent findings in physiology and exercise science. Read through websites for triathletes, marathon runners, bodybuilders, powerlifters, soccer players, and see what those guys know. It'll blow your Goddamned mind. We are cavemen compared to them.

You've got to get smart, guys. Inside the ring and outside of it. Learn the scientific ****. It isn't that hard.

/rant

Haha, Thank you Fraidy,

So you don't know what it does, but you'll take it anyways... Why anyone would ingest a chemical they know nothing about is beyond me...

which one gave you the most?:boxing:

this thread aint for panzies only for hardcore mofos who take creatine.

BSN- Cellmass, It helps with recovery time.

Learn the scientific ****.

RANT FOLLOWS

I have never encountered a group of athletes who knew less, on average, than the boxers I have met. Physiology, training methods, supplementation, nutrition. . . . the worst and most ridiculous advice I've read, pound for pound, has been on boxing boards; and some of the dumbest things I've heard people say, from an athletic physiology standpoint, has come from the mouths of boxers at my gym.

I came to boxing after fencing in college and bodybuilding through my 20's. It's a sad state of affairs when a college fencer -- who requires only the smallest fraction of the athleticism of a competitive boxer -- understands more about something as simple as how to treat a muscle cramp or the proper way to stretch than the typical boxer does.

Do you, Domain -- and others, this is open to you, too -- actually PRIDE yourself on not knowing "the scientific ****?" ****in' LEARN it. If these bodybuilder meatheads can figure out how to count calories and increase nutrient effectiveness through glucose ****ing and uptake windows, you can sure as hell do it, too.

Because here's a news flash: every other sport in the world is using the latest training methods, the newest breakthroughs in nutrition and supplementation, the most recent findings in physiology and exercise science. Read through websites for triathletes, marathon runners, bodybuilders, powerlifters, soccer players, and see what those guys know. It'll blow your Goddamned mind. We are cavemen compared to them.

You've got to get smart, guys. Inside the ring and outside of it. Learn the scientific ****. It isn't that hard.

/rant

I can kinda understand what your trying to say, but remember that not every post you see on the internet will be from a genuine boxer and to be honest many of today's professional boxers do adopt some of the latest findings in physiology and excercise science, but here's the question: Does it make them a better or more highly skilled boxer? I agree that supplements definately give the edge in explosive throwing and sprinting but I'm not entirely sure how much difference it makes to the sweet science of boxing. Interesting comments though, I'd like to hear more of your comments on this. I think you should make it a new thread.

NO explode is the beat on the market..

Learn the scientific ****.

RANT FOLLOWS

I have never encountered a group of athletes who knew less, on average, than the boxers I have met. Physiology, training methods, supplementation, nutrition. . . . the worst and most ridiculous advice I've read, pound for pound, has been on boxing boards; and some of the dumbest things I've heard people say, from an athletic physiology standpoint, has come from the mouths of boxers at my gym.

I came to boxing after fencing in college and bodybuilding through my 20's. It's a sad state of affairs when a college fencer -- who requires only the smallest fraction of the athleticism of a competitive boxer -- understands more about something as simple as how to treat a muscle cramp or the proper way to stretch than the typical boxer does.

Do you, Domain -- and others, this is open to you, too -- actually PRIDE yourself on not knowing "the scientific ****?" ****in' LEARN it. If these bodybuilder meatheads can figure out how to count calories and increase nutrient effectiveness through glucose ****ing and uptake windows, you can sure as hell do it, too.

Because here's a news flash: every other sport in the world is using the latest training methods, the newest breakthroughs in nutrition and supplementation, the most recent findings in physiology and exercise science. Read through websites for triathletes, marathon runners, bodybuilders, powerlifters, soccer players, and see what those guys know. It'll blow your Goddamned mind. We are cavemen compared to them.

You've got to get smart, guys. Inside the ring and outside of it. Learn the scientific ****. It isn't that hard.

/rant
well said and i agree..You will learn alot of people on this forum are not the sharpest knives..

When you train, the muscle fibres tear apart, and to heal more muscle fibre is produced between where the tear was. So muscles ache and get bigger through this process.

I think creatine aids this replacement and makes it faster - so you have less aching and can train harder without fear of leaving yourself incapacitated the following day. Also is means your muscles grow faster because the fibre tears are being replaced quicker.

Thats what i think creatine is, i could be wrong. I used to work with a body builder who took it. I've never took it, can't be arsed to pay for it and i naturally have a lot of muscle anyway.

I think ricky hatton uses it, amongst a lot of others.

Take it if you want, its not illegal. But only a fool would put some suppliment into there body without knowing what the **** it is.

Take it if you want, its not illegal. But only a fool would put some suppliment into there body without knowing what the **** it is.

Indeedy

And you're barking up the right tree there Micky, more creatine seems to (sometimes) induce faster or more efficient hypertrophy. As for boxing, it does (ahem, can) act as an ATP shuttle, increasing the amount of free ATP theoretically enhancing one's energy output over the short term. Boxing is a rather anaerobic sport in fact, but even still, in this man's estimation, it is not needed, especially when you consider the side effects it can have.

Indeedy

And you're barking up the right tree there Micky, more creatine seems to (sometimes) induce faster or more efficient hypertrophy. As for boxing, it does (ahem, can) act as an ATP shuttle, increasing the amount of free ATP theoretically enhancing one's energy output over the short term. Boxing is a rather anaerobic sport in fact, but even still, in this man's estimation, it is not needed, especially when you consider the side effects it can have.

what side effects can it have

and boxing is only like 40 minutes tops!

most weight lifting body builders work out 40 to 60 minutes when they work out with weights....so creatine and stuff like no explode helps.
some fighters should take no xplode right before they fight, i think manny pacquaio does thast why he has so much energy.

the fights are not long at all and you need stuff that helps you push for htat little bit extra.

http://www.leehayward.com/creatine_report.htm
its a very good read, its long but well worth it. exspecially when your taking it and you barely even know what it does and how it works.....

Indeedy

And you're barking up the right tree there Micky, more creatine seems to (sometimes) induce faster or more efficient hypertrophy. As for boxing, it does (ahem, can) act as an ATP shuttle, increasing the amount of free ATP theoretically enhancing one's energy output over the short term. Boxing is a rather anaerobic sport in fact, but even still, in this man's estimation, it is not needed, especially when you consider the side effects it can have.
what side effects have you experienced? I have experienced none so far when i used it in the past except for maybe a little bloating.

what side effects have you experienced? I have experienced none so far when i used it in the past except for maybe a little bloating.

My bodybuilder friend got that alot. He seemed to fart all day long, stinky bastard haha.

As for domain saying that he only boxing trains for 40 minutes a day?? I train alot harder than that. At shortest i train hard for an hour and longest 2 and a half to 3 hours, when you get your sweat on, warm ups warm downs and get some technique done.

And manny pac doesn't have super energy because he has creatine, he has super energy because he's manny pac and he's a super fit, world champion boxer.

My bodybuilder friend got that alot. He seemed to fart all day long, stinky bastard haha.

As for domain saying that he only boxing trains for 40 minutes a day?? I train alot harder than that. At shortest i train hard for an hour and longest 2 and a half to 3 hours, when you get your sweat on, warm ups warm downs and get some technique done.

And manny pac doesn't have super energy because he has creatine, he has super energy because he's manny pac and he's a super fit, world champion boxer.

^your naive! I seen he had a bottle of supps in his room in some interview on the net he said he take vitamins...how can a guy retain that punching power and speed up to the later rounds? its not normal bro ill bet you he takes some kinda energy booster like no xplode that gets you hyper with caffiene.

^your naive! I seen he had a bottle of supps in his room in some interview on the net he said he take vitamins...how can a guy retain that punching power and speed up to the later rounds? its not normal bro ill bet you he takes some kinda energy booster like no xplode that gets you hyper with caffiene.

I'm sure its true that he takes some kind of suppliments. But i doubt thats the reason he has all that energy. Lets face it - by your logic, this 'no xplode' is so great, anyone who takes it becomes some kind of super human.

I'm sure his energy has got more to do with his excellent physical conditioning rather than his intake of caffiene powder. The punching power is more manny and less 'no xplode'. If you think otherwise? Then that is really naive.

'Creatine monohydrate induces an increase in body mass while increasing muscular energy reserves. Creatine augments energy levels by increasing the availability of ATP, the organic compound that yields energy for muscular contraction. Boxers must be careful however when supplementing with creatine, as it can cause moderate weight gain due to water retention by the skeletal muscle.

Creatine (if used correctly) can increase strength and explosive power without weight gain. It can help you get more out of your workout while improving recovery between sessions. Boxers should only supplement with 2 to 5 grams per day. Check this article for information regarding creatine supplementation without weight gain:

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0864.htm

AST's Micronized Creatine is one of the best creatine products available, at a reasonable price.'

that's from rossboxing.com!

dude...you have to be kidding with some of these posts. Is it not possible the pac man is just a tremendous athlete? He is one of the best and most talented atletes in the sport. It is NOT because he takes NO explode that he can go into later rounds and retain. Is it a combination of his genetics, work ethic, lung capacity, training regimen, diet, natural body type, supplements ,maybe. But to say that he is who is because of Creatine is ridiculious. Yeah that stuff may help but come on man.

one thing to consider here for thnking about NO-Explode

if youre someone, like me, who is very conscious about their sugar intake... then NO Explode will not be the best choice for you... i believe it has 25-30 gramd a sugar in a scoop, if your body isnt used to this its not gonna like it, youre gonna cramp up and likely feel nauseous as your workout wears on.

i try to keep it simple, i take 3 sups. Creatine, Glutamine and Protein.

there are many protein/creatine blends out there, choose one with low sugar and some fiber in it.. buy some good l-glutamine, drop a scoop in every protein shake..

if you go above and beyond this youre probably more weighlifter than boxer.

dude...you have to be kidding with some of these posts. Is it not possible the pac man is just a tremendous athlete? He is one of the best and most talented atletes in the sport. It is NOT because he takes NO explode that he can go into later rounds and retain. Is it a combination of his genetics, work ethic, lung capacity, training regimen, diet, natural body type, supplements ,maybe. But to say that he is who is because of Creatine is ridiculious. Yeah that stuff may help but come on man.

not dissing pacquiao im a fan...but he is lucky no one suspects him because he is fighting at featherweight because if he was a heavyweight looking that yoked and ripped he would be tested exensively...remeber his old conditioning trainer justin fortune admited its easy to pass these steroid and substance tests in boxing he knows so many guys who take stuff...hmmmm i bet you he gave pacman some stuff. We will see how pacquiao looks in his next fight with out Fortune.

come on be honest though man the guy only eats like 4 meals a day! so your telling me its genetics most people who eat 4 big meals a day are fat and tired.

look at his body its not normal he is taking something man im still a fan but lets not be stupid...thats why i said if you aint takine supps your in the past.

http://www.boksnieuws.com/images/PacquiaoSpiertjes.jpg

not dissing pacquiao im a fan...but he is lucky no one suspects him because he is fighting at featherweight because if he was a heavyweight looking that yoked and ripped he would be tested exensively...remeber his old conditioning trainer justin fortune admited its easy to pass these steroid and substance tests in boxing he knows so many guys who take stuff...hmmmm i bet you he gave pacman some stuff. We will see how pacquiao looks in his next fight with out Fortune.

come on be honest though man the guy only eats like 4 meals a day! so your telling me its genetics most people who eat 4 big meals a day are fat and tired.

look at his body its not normal he is taking something man im still a fan but lets not be stupid...thats why i said if you aint takine supps your in the past.

http://www.boksnieuws.com/images/PacquiaoSpiertjes.jpg
I see your point but understand mine. My mother ate pies and cookies her whole life 24-7 and is still rail thin. Some people just have un-godly genetics. If pac is taking HGH or juice than yeah it the "supps" but NO-2 is not gonna change his performance all that much. He is ****ING ripped in that pic huh...

I see your point but understand mine. My mother ate pies and cookies her whole life 24-7 and is still rail thin. Some people just have un-godly genetics. If pac is taking HGH or juice than yeah it the "supps" but NO-2 is not gonna change his performance all that much. He is ****ING ripped in that pic huh...

lol ya but if you ate pies and cookies you could be skinny but not have the stamina of pacquiao...heck man i had a bad diet and im skinny and i had to change everything and my stamina still sucks.

yes he is ripped and muscled in that pic pacquiao is lean and powerful im thinking the inject the roids in his calves have you seen those things? wtf looks like someone filled it with crushed rocks they are bigger then the heavyweights calves.

It is just hard for me to believe a kid who grew up dirt poor with no food can have amazing body like that and power...you need proper food and nutrition to look like that and still have power...his muscle definition is insane any bodybuilder would die for that type of aesthics.

point taken man....I see your point, i hope he is taking creatine not roids

especially when you consider the side effects it can have.

domain asked this too, but what side effects are you referring to? I've used creatine in the past and felt it helped my muscle endurance and recovery... helped me work out more often without getting sore or run down. Some of that was probably placebo, but I never noticed any side effects...

I used the cvs brand when they were selling it and then whatever the cheapest tabs or pills or pills i could find at gnc...i think i used their brand mostly. I can't say I noticed a big difference between any of the brands i tried.

I don't think pac man is on steroids! Thats a weigh-in photo - He's that ripped because theres not an ounce of fat on him, and in all likelyhood he's also dehydrated (further defining his muscles). Come weigh-in time, all fighters hit the sauna, hit the sweat suits and drain water weight away in order to appear to be at a smaller weight than they really are.

Add to this his incredible fitness and thats the reason - not steroids.

Not only this, but like danny said - its also something to do with genetics... and being an oriental type, he will not easily put weight on.

I've personally never taken creatine, so I'VE never had any side-effects. It's just that too much causes kidney and liver problems. Don't forget you get creatine in your diet as well. If you're going to supplement with Creatine I'd recommend Creatine-EE over Creatine-MH, it's further along creatine's metabolic (hmm, ****, or anabolic? Time to break out the text books...) pathway. EE has higher absorbtion, thus reducing (somewhat) the amound of damage it can do. It's more lipophilic which is why it's more readily absorbed. Personally I've been ever so slightly tinkering with the idea of trying EE when I get back home in August, maybe just for a bit, to address my weight dilemma that I talked about in my previous thread. I probably won't though. Ali ain't need to creatine to be what he was.

EDIT: I should add that EE is creatine ethyl ether, and MH is creatine monohydrate. And I believe EE is further along the ANABOLIC pathway TO creatine, although I'll have to look that up. Haha, if anyone cares.

EDIT2: I should add too though that it has a longer halflife in the body, meaning it sticks around for longer, so that can INCREASE damage if you have too much. (EE I'm talking about)

Bottom line If you wanna Box, Just go to the GYM ****in Train.

Tired of all these "Get **** Quick for ******* Edition" threads.

Bottom line If you wanna Box, Just go to the GYM ****in Train.

Tired of all these "Get **** Quick for ******* Edition" threads.

lol dog you are one to talk you juice.

Bottom line If you wanna Box, Just go to the GYM ****in Train.

Tired of all these "Get **** Quick for ******* Edition" threads.

agreed. u don't NEED to take creatine. jus train hard day in and day out and eat right and sleep right and u'll be a machine.

Bottom line If you wanna Box, Just go to the GYM ****in Train.

Tired of all these "Get **** Quick for ******* Edition" threads.

its a shame you feel that way.

calling people "*******" cause they supplement is a little over the top

now if they listen to emo music then you have a point.

i supplement, and i work my ass off, and they go hand in hand, if youre working hard 5 days a week chances are your body isnt getting nearly as many nutrients into your muscles as you would need to recover... an appropriate and well designed, boxing appropriate diet/supplemental program will benefit anybody, some more than others yes, but why not give yourself every available advantage?

i dont think he was callin people ******* if they take supps. i think he was callin people ******* because all they do is take supps and dont work their asses off and are jus lookin for shortcuts. workin ur ass OFF for 5 or 6 days a week is extremely taxing and supps definitely are needed (certain supps) i think in order to maintain a healthy homeostasis in the body. but those fools that are looking to take all the supps out there instead of puttin in the work are....well... *******!

i dont think he was callin people ******* if they take supps. i think he was callin people ******* because all they do is take supps and dont work their asses off and are jus lookin for shortcuts. workin ur ass OFF for 5 or 6 days a week is extremely taxing and supps definitely are needed (certain supps) i think in order to maintain a healthy homeostasis in the body. but those fools that are looking to take all the supps out there instead of puttin in the work are....well... *******!


well if thats the case then i agree, like i said before, creatine, glutamine and protein are all beneficial when used properly

i think a good rule of thumb is dont spend 50 bucks on creatine unless youre putting in 100 dollars worth of your time.

Trac creatine works well.

Much better than Cell-Tech.

i dont think he was callin people ******* if they take supps. i think he was callin people ******* because all they do is take supps and dont work their asses off and are jus lookin for shortcuts. workin ur ass OFF for 5 or 6 days a week is extremely taxing and supps definitely are needed (certain supps) i think in order to maintain a healthy homeostasis in the body. but those fools that are looking to take all the supps out there instead of puttin in the work are....well... *******!

he understands how to read inbetween the lines...

And also for anyone who takes Creatine just for trying to get big/strong thinking that will help them box.

he understands how to read inbetween the lines...

And also for anyone who takes Creatine just for trying to get big thinking that will help them box.

Ye, well I only mentioned it 'cause I can't get down to 141, so I figure I should get back up to 152 (at 147 now) the thing is, I have a hard time gaining weight, at least if I keep training and burning up the energy. I have started working a little more with weights though, so we'll see how that goes...

Ye, well I only mentioned it 'cause I can't get down to 141, so I figure I should get back up to 152 (at 147 now) the thing is, I have a hard time gaining weight, at least if I keep training and burning up the energy. I have started working a little more with weights though, so we'll see how that goes...

Thats an actual reason though..

Your not just taking it thinking its gonna make you all Big/strong so you can get K.O. power or sumthin.

if its being used for a time to actuall gain weight along with Real training.. then Whateva...

But I hate when people are like...

"Imma get some creatine and come back huge like I went to jail and be the best boxer ever"

makes no sense.

"Imma get some creatine and come back huge like I went to jail and be the best boxer ever"

makes no sense.

Haha, true

Thats an actual reason though..

Your not just taking it thinking its gonna make you all Big/strong so you can get K.O. power or sumthin.

if its being used for a time to actuall gain weight along with Real training.. then Whateva...

But I hate when people are like...

"Imma get some creatine and come back huge like I went to jail and be the best boxer ever"

makes no sense.
maybe if you took some no xplode it would help with your speed ahd stamina lol

maybe if you took some no xplode it would help with your speed ahd stamina lol

lol that actually amused me because ym stamina is great...

I can see how you might say for my speed though... I'm not the fastest... But i make up for it with the shots I pick and Decent timing... So I'm ok for now.:nonono:

lol that actually amused me because ym stamina is great...

I can see how you might say for my speed though... I'm not the fastest... But i make up for it with the shots I pick and Decent timing... So I'm ok for now.:nonono:

ya but you get hit to much