View Full Version : Is hitting a Heavy,Heavy bag a must to gain power?
Domain 05-25-2007, 09:35 PM Do I have to hit a 300 pound heavy bag to get strong on my punches? how come I seen guys hitting a 40 pound bag at the gym and they hit harder then me? They told me they dont F with the bigger bags cause they dont wanna hurt there hands, but I thought you need to hit a big bag to gain punching power?
Larry Merchant 05-25-2007, 09:40 PM yes it is a must
RonRoss 05-25-2007, 09:58 PM if it moves its too light
( bit of an egsaduration (sp?) but you get my drift)
Domain 05-25-2007, 10:07 PM but how come they hit hard as hell but they just punch a bags from 40 to 80 pounds max at the gym?
I never seen them hit the big bag ever they only **** with the light bags, speed bags, double end bag and the light heavybags they seem to always hitt he lighter bags when it swings forward at them hard as hell and it swings far and then they hit it again when it comes back.
shawn_ 05-25-2007, 10:09 PM Power comes from technique, not hitting heavy ****.
Domain 05-25-2007, 10:22 PM Power comes from technique, not hitting heavy ****.
How so? because me i only **** with heavy **** though but my shoulder and wrists hurt like a mu****a now so i havent hit the bag in 2 weeks.
RonRoss 05-25-2007, 10:32 PM a human head wont wobble around like a 40lb bag, they look like they hit hard cause they are punching females around the gym
Domain 05-25-2007, 10:37 PM a human head wont wobble around like a 40lb bag, they look like they hit hard cause they are punching females around the gym
punching females? a human head weighs less then 40 pounds though lol so your logic is a bit off.
my friends who train said that heavy bag training is to help your body attack alot and help you unload on a target.
doesnt mean that it will make you hit harder just gives you a bigger bag to hit is all.
I only hit the big bags and i think it messed up my shoulders and wrists.
Versastyle 05-25-2007, 10:46 PM ive gotten stronger while hitting the heavybag,thats all I really do at the gym.
fraidycat 05-26-2007, 02:20 AM Hitting the bag properly is a matter of technique, not of strength per se. You want to make the punches snap loudly but not make the bag swing much; at least, not for the jab and the cross. Think of snapping a towel -- you want to throw the jab and cross the same way, pulling the punch back a split second before impact so that it cracks across your opponent's headgear or body.
The hook is different; you want to drive it <i> through </i> the guy.
Physical strength helps, but technique rules the heavy bag. A properly-executed punch uses every muscle in your body, starting from your toes, across your feet & calves, up your legs and glutes, into your back and shoulders, with your arm and hand tensing and then relaxing to <i>transfer</i>, not deliver, the momentum.
For this reason, a properly-delivered straight punch should not require an extremely heavy bag. I would think that a pro should be able to rock a seriously heavy bag with the same technique as an amateur would hit a lighter bag.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Trick 05-26-2007, 08:09 AM Hitting the bag properly is a matter of technique, not of strength per se. You want to make the punches snap loudly but not make the bag swing much; at least, not for the jab and the cross. Think of snapping a towel -- you want to throw the jab and cross the same way, pulling the punch back a split second before impact so that it cracks across your opponent's headgear or body.
The hook is different; you want to drive it <i> through </i> the guy.
Physical strength helps, but technique rules the heavy bag. A properly-executed punch uses every muscle in your body, starting from your toes, across your feet & calves, up your legs and glutes, into your back and shoulders, with your arm and hand tensing and then relaxing to <i>transfer</i>, not deliver, the momentum.
For this reason, a properly-delivered straight punch should not require an extremely heavy bag. I would think that a pro should be able to rock a seriously heavy bag with the same technique as an amateur would hit a lighter bag.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Sounds good to me. Even on lighter bags, if the bag is flyin' around it's probably cause you're doin' it wrong. If you're really snapping your straight punches you actually don't move the bag all that much. I see a lot of people tryin' to look like Tyson just trying to make the bag fly all around, but they're really just pushing their punches. Hooks are a little different I guess.
I'd go with 100lbs bag if I were you, you can always get a heavier one (or use a heavier one at your gym), and since you're new, I wouldn't wanna risk the injury on a heavier bag. Personally, I was hitting a 150lb bag with ****ty gloves and handwrap, and after a while I tore the interosseous membrane in my forearm, which is a *****, I'm only just now healed up enough to hit a bag properly again, and that was like three months ago.
It's not worth risking any kind of injury, especially cause these injuries don't happen right away, they'll kinda creep up on you slowly, and you don't know you're hurt bad before it's too late.
Just my two cents.
danny stash 05-26-2007, 09:51 AM Hey bud, I am gonna try to help you out. In one thread earlier you said you are self taught so i am assuming no trainer no guidance. First thing do you have wraps. I am asking cause you say your wrists and shoulders and stuff hurt. You get power by practicing throwing a punch PROPERLY. You need to know how to throw a boxers punch, how to wrap your hands and wrists properly in order to hit a heavy bag for progress. You can go up and start smashing and slapping at it all day and just end up hurting yourself. Learn the basic mechanics properly and than go after that bag. If a 40 lb bag is hurting your body and joints you need to make some changes....
judge_jab 05-26-2007, 10:39 AM i use a 50lb bag in my garage and it works great, it swings quite a bit but that's great as I can use it for defense and timing, the only difference with a heavier bag is that it doesn't swing as much and will have a bigger surface, then again if you're that concerned about it won't matter as you'll be in a gym anyway!
I use a 150lb and sometimes a 200lb bag in the gym but at home, a 50lb is fine and very convenient!
All you have to look at is miguel cotto look when he hits the bag it looks crap with no swing but when you see how perfect his punches are you can understand whyhe hits so hard. So i think hitting a heavybag is good but also perfecting the mechanics of the punch is just as important. :boxing:
Versastyle 05-26-2007, 11:54 AM working on your technique and hitting the bag really hard every punch would increase your power and technique.cause if u dont do that and your in a real fight and u swing hard u might fall off balance.Now if u did the technique while punching hard on the bag u wouldnt have that problem.
platinummatt! 05-26-2007, 11:59 AM Hitting a really heavy, hard bag can't be great for your joints
realheavyhands 05-26-2007, 12:04 PM Do I have to hit a 300 pound heavy bag to get strong on my punches? how come I seen guys hitting a 40 pound bag at the gym and they hit harder then me? They told me they dont F with the bigger bags cause they dont wanna hurt there hands, but I thought you need to hit a big bag to gain punching power?
shadow boxing for proper power is way more important ... all lats
Domain 05-26-2007, 02:52 PM Sounds good to me. Even on lighter bags, if the bag is flyin' around it's probably cause you're doin' it wrong. If you're really snapping your straight punches you actually don't move the bag all that much. I see a lot of people tryin' to look like Tyson just trying to make the bag fly all around, but they're really just pushing their punches. Hooks are a little different I guess.
I'd go with 100lbs bag if I were you, you can always get a heavier one (or use a heavier one at your gym), and since you're new, I wouldn't wanna risk the injury on a heavier bag. Personally, I was hitting a 150lb bag with ****ty gloves and handwrap, and after a while I tore the interosseous membrane in my forearm, which is a *****, I'm only just now healed up enough to hit a bag properly again, and that was like three months ago.
It's not worth risking any kind of injury, especially cause these injuries don't happen right away, they'll kinda creep up on you slowly, and you don't know you're hurt bad before it's too late.
Just my two cents.
thanks man thats why i aint ****ing with them superheavy 300 pounds bags anymore havent hit that in like 2 weeks cause my shoulder and wrist is hurting like a *****.
Domain 05-26-2007, 02:54 PM Hey bud, I am gonna try to help you out. In one thread earlier you said you are self taught so i am assuming no trainer no guidance. First thing do you have wraps. I am asking cause you say your wrists and shoulders and stuff hurt. You get power by practicing throwing a punch PROPERLY. You need to know how to throw a boxers punch, how to wrap your hands and wrists properly in order to hit a heavy bag for progress. You can go up and start smashing and slapping at it all day and just end up hurting yourself. Learn the basic mechanics properly and than go after that bag. If a 40 lb bag is hurting your body and joints you need to make some changes....
ya i got them everlast gel glove things...and i use them under my 12 oz title training gloves.
what do you mean a 40 lb bag hurting my body and joints? i have never hit one that small i told you i only **** with the big dogs...150-300 pound type **** but i think thats why my **** is messed up...
danny stash 05-27-2007, 01:12 PM ya i got them everlast gel glove things...and i use them under my 12 oz title training gloves.
what do you mean a 40 lb bag hurting my body and joints? i have never hit one that small i told you i only **** with the big dogs...150-300 pound type **** but i think thats why my **** is messed up...
o ok, i misread it...None for nothing but those gel gloves suck ass. Get yourself some real wraps..good luck
Domain 05-27-2007, 01:35 PM o ok, i misread it...None for nothing but those gel gloves suck ass. Get yourself some real wraps..good luck
man why do they suck? and F getting real wraps man you know how hard it is to wrap your hands right? i had some before **** took me ages to get right.
fraidycat 05-27-2007, 01:43 PM man why do they suck? and F getting real wraps man you know how hard it is to wrap your hands right?
There are no shortcuts in this sport. None.
Learning to wrap your hands takes about as long as it takes to learn to jump rope well, or rock the speed bag. Or to learn to throw a punch correctly, or to learn how to fight a southpaw, or. . . .
Learn to wrap your hands. It took me months of doing it every day. Even on days when wasn't going to the gym, I would wrap and unwrap my hands at home, sitting on the couch watching TV.
Domain 05-27-2007, 02:29 PM There are no shortcuts in this sport. None.
Learning to wrap your hands takes about as long as it takes to learn to jump rope well, or rock the speed bag. Or to learn to throw a punch correctly, or to learn how to fight a southpaw, or. . . .
Learn to wrap your hands. It took me months of doing it every day. Even on days when wasn't going to the gym, I would wrap and unwrap my hands at home, sitting on the couch watching TV.
man im so lazy though.
judge_jab 05-27-2007, 03:07 PM then boxing isn't the sport for you my friend!
juggernautburn 05-27-2007, 06:02 PM man im so lazy though.
after you do it the first few times, wrapping is like second nature and doesn't take much thought at all.
Cutthroat 05-27-2007, 06:17 PM Just from hitting my 100lb heavy bag every day I'm getting lats. I don't even do push ups or anything, or I haven't been doing them.
The bad thing is the right side of my body has more lat muscle cause I mainly jab with my left. I always throw a left jab and then a hard right cross. Most of the time I punch as hard as I can, which has caused my power to go up dramatically.
My wrists or my right wrist has been bothering me from the bag, 2 weeks ago I couldn't even bench press because the pain was too much. I've rested for 3 days and the pain is almost gone.
Hitman932 05-27-2007, 06:30 PM ive seen numerous people here complaining about joint pain, especially in the wrists.. i had this problem when i started hitting the 100 pound bag pretty regularly.... if youre boxing regularly you should take glucosamine chondritin or some other type of joint soothing supplement... boxing is all about pain, youre never going to avoid it, all you can do is be proactive...
also as far as hitting a heavy bag, i only wrap my hands if im gonna be throwing a lot of hooks... which isnt really my thing, otherwise i wear the gels under my gloves like domain cause my form is good enough on my jab/straight that im more worried about ****ing up my knuckles real bad than hurting my wrist.
danny stash 05-28-2007, 04:35 AM you guys are mistaken if you dont wear wraps. If you are LAZY go play ****ing softball and drink beer all day and stop wasting space on this forum.. How bout them apples?
hemichromis 05-28-2007, 05:36 AM you shouldn't be unching 300lb bags untill 200lb bags mve about too much when you hit them
you should always start with lighter bags nad before you even go on them your trainer should make sure your punching correctly
Z-Rex 05-28-2007, 03:01 PM I believe that punching power comes from proper technique. Use proper technique on the smaller bags and work your way up to the bigger bags. You will see a great improvement in your power when you are sparring.
Good luck.
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