Tyson-Liston is the 3rd quarter final.

Tyson Ko By Death Blow.

Tyson by no later then 5
after 5 Sonny wins
my money is on Sonny

oops posted in wrong thread.
Tyson isn't bullied, ducks and weaves to outslug Liston by KO.

I've got Sonny Liston by KO. :duh:

This would be a fun fight for the few rounds it lasts. Then Tyson goes down.

Liston overwhelms the come-forward Tyson. He outjabbs him, out-muscles him, and would break him down by a stoppage mid rounds.

Sonny Liston TKO 8 Mike Tyson:fing02:

Sonny Liston by late ko.

This is gonna be a close one

^^ :nonono:

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Tyson KO's Liston. 8th round

Ever seen Foreman-Frazier?

yes i have :boxing:

Well, there you go.:boxing:

Liston by late TKO.

I like Liston here.

I think Liston was tough enough to withstand alot of Tysons best shots, plus he would hit Tyson with shots that would damage his confidence. Liston then takes over.
Patterson had a similar style to Tyson. Although i regard Tyson much better than Floyd.

Tyson by late KO

Well, there you go.:boxing:

You think Liston was stronger then Tyson ?

Liston fights nothing like Foreman and wouldn't have even close to the same size adv as Foreman had over Frazier .

Yet another tough fight to call,for me anyway.Im gunner sway towards Tyson on this one but it could go either way.Liston could well use his good jabs and pick Mike apart,break his spirit then force a late stoppage but i think a prime Tyson could blitz him in the first half of the fight with his fast and powerfull combo's.
Tyson ko in 5,but it could well go the other way.

Of all the fantasy matchups I can do with Tyson this is one of the harder ones for him to win. He would win. It would be hard to get past liston's jab, but I think with his speed and lateral movement he would find a way with his cold war offensive arsenal to score a knockout. it would not be an easy fight though, Tyson would get beat up by that jab a little bit if not some of Liston's other punches. I think eventually Tyson would get Liston off balance and on the defensive, wear him down and probably win by stoppage in the latter rounds.

Tyson is not just going to sit there at the end of Liston's jab and get dominated. Its just not going to happen.

Liston is all wrong for Tyson...

Iron Chin
Great Jab
10x the bully that Tyson was

on top of that, devastating power.

liston late KO

:D Tyson would phantom punch Liston in the 1st.....


seriously, Liston by stoppage in the 7th round

Liston was too slow to beat Tyson IMO. Tyson would stop him in 1 round....its not like Listin would be jabbing mike and pot shotting him. He would be there for Mike to savage.

Liston looking strong, and todays the last day for this.:)

Tyson is to fast to strong. Tyson KO 2

Tyson would be scared shitless of a real live gangster in Liston. Tyson would be intimidated and beat viciously by Liston. Tyson could lose mind games and that is why at his best he wouldn't beat Foreman or Liston.

liston would devastate tyson, if you think douglas had a productive jab you dont know about liston's jab.

liston had a tougher upbringing as well. you think coming up in a bad part of brooklyn is bad,
try coming up with TWENTY FIVE SIBLINGS in the same house, nobody could ever really eat enough, the father would always work them and didnt really love them... At a young age, 12 or 13 he picked all the pecans off his brother in laws tree and went to the city, sold them and bought a ticket to st louis i believe...Got there and was so lost, eventually found his mother and lived with them, always beating people up and robbing people. then he became a pro headbuster for the mafia. did time in jail beating the shit out of every hw who boxed in jail. tyson punked out in jail.

Liston's style is also all wrong for 'stinky mike'

liston would devastate tyson, if you think douglas had a productive jab you dont know about liston's jab.

liston had a tougher upbringing as well. you think coming up in a bad part of brooklyn is bad,
try coming up with TWENTY FIVE SIBLINGS in the same house, nobody could ever really eat enough, the father would always work them and didnt really love them... At a young age, 12 or 13 he picked all the pecans off his brother in laws tree and went to the city, sold them and bought a ticket to st louis i believe...Got there and was so lost, eventually found his mother and lived with them, always beating people up and robbing people. then he became a pro headbuster for the mafia. did time in jail beating the shit out of every hw who boxed in jail. tyson punked out in jail.

Yea, Liston definatly wins the 'tougher upbringing' competition.
But sadly that has ****all to do with boxing.
Ali pissed all over Liston, but didnt grow up being beaten evryday by his transexual mother with a hot iron, and ****ed in the ass every morning by his neighbours dog whilst being forced to eat bad ham and living in a old corpse.

Sooooooo close.:cool:

only two votes in it. last day....................:)

Anyone who voted Liston knows absolute crap about boxing.


Sorry it's just the facts.

Anyone who voted Liston knows absolute crap about boxing.


Sorry it's just the facts.

Care to explain why you think this would bethe case?

Mike took a dive.

Mike took a dive.

Oh the irony, right Bobby?:)

Care to explain why you think this would bethe case?



Because compared to Tyson Liston was absolute shit.How anyone could pick a known mob fighter over a prime Mike Tyson is just beyond me.

Oh the irony, right Bobby?:)

I think ive already said all i can on ur ironic interpretation of irony.

Because compared to Tyson Liston was absolute shit.How anyone could pick a known mob fighter over a prime Mike Tyson is just beyond me.

If u think Liston was just a mob fighter, i guess u dont know shit.

Prime Tyson never faced a real challenge. Liston destroyed Patterson twice.
IMO, its about styles. And Liston was big enough, tough enough, and had a great powerful boxing style that would give Tyson trouble.

no?

Because compared to Tyson Liston was absolute shit.How anyone could pick a known mob fighter over a prime Mike Tyson is just beyond me.

I love your avatar, but I hate your logic.:fing02:

Because compared to Tyson Liston was absolute shit. How anyone could pick a known mob fighter over a prime Mike Tyson is just beyond me.

what is a "mob fighter" exactly?

If u think Liston was just a mob fighter, i guess u dont know shit.

Prime Tyson never faced a real challenge. Liston destroyed Patterson twice.
IMO, its about styles. And Liston was big enough, tough enough, and had a great powerful boxing style that would give Tyson trouble.


Tyson did face challenges(First experienced fighter in Tillis. In shape Tony Tucker he had to outbox to UD. And outslugging a bigger man in Ruddock) Liston as well, but they are very similar. In fact, people look at them as bullies that were great when they fought inferior opponents(Patterson, and Spinks)
But the diffirence is that Liston quit, arguably more than once when he finally faced a superior opponent, Tyson did not untill the final KO(Douglass).

Anyone who voted Liston knows absolute crap about boxing.

Sorry it's just the facts.thank you!.:boxing:

just checking in to find out that the majority of people here are still stupid. no way liston wins this. he was a turd and if you dont know that yet.............

Tyson did face challenges(First experienced fighter in Tillis. In shape Tony Tucker he had to outbox to UD. And outslugging a bigger man in Ruddock) Liston as well, but they are very similar. In fact, people look at them as bullies that were great when they fought inferior opponents(Patterson, and Spinks)
But the diffirence is that Liston quit, arguably more than once when he finally faced a superior opponent, Tyson did not untill the final KO(Douglass).


Plus Ali pounded Liston into submission.

I think ive already said all i can on ur ironic interpretation of irony.



If u think Liston was just a mob fighter, i guess u dont know shit.

Prime Tyson never faced a real challenge. Liston destroyed Patterson twice.
IMO, its about styles. And Liston was big enough, tough enough, and had a great powerful boxing style that would give Tyson trouble.

no?


Don't be ignorant.


It was a well known subject back then that Liston was controlled by the mob.

Don't be ignorant.


It was a well known subject back then that Liston was controlled by the mob.

So Liston beating the shit out of Patterson, Williams, Folley and Machen was some amazing mob pantomime? Ok.

Its a fact he was very ****ing good (if u have ever watched him box anyone other that Ali).
I give Tyson more than a chance, but i can see Liston beating him based on his style. I think its only ignorant to believe either man had no chance.

Don't be ignorant.


It was a well known subject back then that Liston was controlled by the mob.

so what? boxing in the 50s was pretty much entirely controlled by the mob, and there are plenty of "well known subjects" La Motta throwing a fight to finally get a shot at the middleweight crown. Robinson carrying his opponents on demand (of Frankie Carbo I would guess, the same man who "controlled" Liston).

What the hell does that have to do with how good/bad was Liston?

So Liston beating the shit out of Patterson, Williams, Folley and Machen was some amazing mob pantomime? Ok.

Its a fact he was very ****ing good (if u have ever watched him box anyone other that Ali).
I give Tyson more than a chance, but i can see Liston beating him based on his style. I think its only ignorant to believe either man had no chance.


You do realize that Tyson's style was created from watching old boxers styles right?Which included a big part of Liston's style just watch how Tyson threw punches in his prime.

so what? boxing in the 50s was pretty much entirely controlled by the mob, and there are plenty of "well known subjects" La Motta throwing a fight to finally get a shot at the middleweight crown. Robinson carrying his opponents on demand (of Frankie Carbo I would guess, the same man who "controlled" Liston).

What the hell does that have to do with how good/bad was Liston?


Because being a mob fighter you can never really say how good he was or if he was given some of his victories by mob involvement.

Because being a mob fighter you can never really say how good he was or if he was given some of his victories by mob involvement.

LOL

the same applies to Robinson, La Motta. You have to understand that the biggest money made my the mob in boxing was in bets, not in promoting fighters...

Anyway, read what Muhammad Ali had to say about Liston.

You do realize that Tyson's style was created from watching old boxers styles right?Which included a big part of Liston's style just watch how Tyson threw punches in his prime.

If anything Tyson's style included a big part of PATTERSON's style. Defintely not Liston's. Why would Cus D'Amato teach an extremely short HW to fight like a fighter who had an 84" reach?

EDIT: you are also aware that Cus D'Amato was Patterson's trainer?

If anything Tyson's style included a big part of PATTERSON's style. Defintely not Liston's. Why would Cus D'Amato teach an extremely short HW to fight like a fighter who had an 84" reach?

EDIT: you are also aware that Cus D'Amato was Patterson's trainer?


Yes I am.

i've seen alot of liston's old fights and I noticed he threw lots of short compact punches just like Tyson did.Not to mention for Tyson's size he was the hardest puncher ever.


I know what Ali said about Liston but that's meaningless.

Yes I am.

i've seen alot of liston's old fights and I noticed he threw lots of short compact punches just like Tyson did.Not to mention for Tyson's size he was the hardest puncher ever.


Joe Louis, Floyd Patterson, Rocky Marciano also "threw lots of short compact punches", in fact with the exception of a few who prefer boxing from the outside, most fighters from after WWII to the 90s were able to throw "short compact punches"

as for Tyson being the hardest puncher for his size, it does not matter much when Liston would have been bigger anyways.

I know what Ali said about Liston but that's meaningless.

and why would that be meaningless? because it goes against YOUR opinion on Liston? please...

Tyson's whole style was based on Cus's idea of how to beat a great jab and fighters like Liston & Holmes.

The whole point of the peek a boo is to rush in get under the jab, land, and get out.

Liston didn't have the size or or speed to keep Tyson off him for very long as Lewis and Buster did.

You do realize that Tyson's style was created from watching old boxers styles right?Which included a big part of Liston's style just watch how Tyson threw punches in his prime.

If anything Tyson's style included a big part of PATTERSON's style. Defintely not Liston's. Why would Cus D'Amato teach an extremely short HW to fight like a fighter who had an 84" reach?

EDIT: you are also aware that Cus D'Amato was Patterson's trainer?

Bingo.

Thats what i am placing my opinion that Liston stood a great chance to beat Tyson.
Patterson and Tyson had similar styles, and Liston KTFO Patterson.

Liston wouldnt back up like most Tyson opponents did. And Tyson lost to opponents who didnt back up, but were big and confident enough to back up Tyson.
It could be like Tyson - Holyfield.
But i actually think Tyson would of beaten Holyfield in his prime. So really im talking shit now.
I give up. :wank:

Joe Louis, Floyd Patterson, Rocky Marciano also "threw lots of short compact punches", in fact with the exception of a few who prefer boxing from the outside, most fighters from after WWII to the 90s were able to throw "short compact punches"

as for Tyson being the hardest puncher for his size, it does not matter much when Liston would have been bigger anyways.



and why would that be meaningless? because it goes against YOUR opinion on Liston? please...



Because Ali never fought Tyson so that makes his opinion worthless.

Because Ali never fought Tyson so that makes his opinion worthless.

and what does that make of your opinion (or mine as well), since you did not fight any of the two?

should I put more weight on your words "Liston is a mob fighter" or Ali's "Liston is a great fighter". I dont have many doubts...

Liston wasn't as big as people make him seem he was only 6 feet 190-210
Tyson on the other hand is 5 '10-5'11 220.

So really Liston would not have any size advatage other then 1 inch or so in height.

Because being a mob fighter you can never really say how good he was or if he was given some of his victories by mob involvement.

:lol1: Yes, Liston was controlled by the mob, but they did not in any way shape or form fix fights for him to win. Because he was mobbed up they didn't pad his record up, they actually threw him in the ring against very experienced fighters when he was very green, so in actuality, his early career was the exact opposite of what you say. When he only had a few fights he was fighting experienced veterans, so he was supposed to lose but he was so good that he still was able to beat them. They realized he was so good they could put him in against anyone and he would still win, that's why they took control of him so they could make a lot of money off of him. Sonny Liston's resume pre-title is the best ever in heavyweight history.:fing02: