Vote above.

me nah but y aint i on da list jk i havent seen the other ones 2 judge...

didnt make the list...:nonono:

I voted versa, but it's a close race with a few others, including some people who didn't make the list.

Actually the kid I train and have posted videos of is far, far ahead of anyone in here...

White hope definatly lol no only joking but from what i've seen prob versa

Dude ur talking handspeed... ????


I own that department... Guess I need to start postin more vidz

*leaves thread singing RJJ song....... YALL MUSTVE FO'GOT"*



lol

Actually the kid I train and have posted videos of is far, far ahead of anyone in here...

I honestly dont think that kid is faster than me, let alone "far ahead"... but I dont really blame u for thinking that, considering u havent seen me really



ps- my trainers cant even keep up on the focus mitts when I go full speed

I honestly dont think that kid is faster than me, let alone "far ahead"... but I dont really blame u for thinking that, considering u havent seen me really



ps- my trainers cant even keep up on the focus mitts when I go full speed

I was talking potential. If you think you're anywhere near my kid, then you're delusional. The kids a top amateur, who has won international tournaments. He's going to the EU championships in June and the world championships in Chicago in October. I doubt we'll see YOU there as anything but a spectator.

And yeah, he's probably younger than you (just turned 20), so I don't see you closing the experience gap anytime in the next 10 years.

I was talking potential. If you think you're anywhere near my kid, then you're delusional. The kids a top amateur, who has won international tournaments. He's going to the EU championships in June and the world championships in Chicago in October. I doubt we'll see YOU there as anything but a spectator.

And yeah, he's probably younger than you (just turned 20), so I don't see you closing the experience gap anytime in the next 10 years.


Ok, and Im talking handspeed... Im just naturally quick as hell, experience has nothing to do with that...


and as far as him winning all those tourneys and all that ****... yayyy yayyy bravoo... big whip, he's been doing it for a while.. he SHOULD be winning all those tourneys n ****


naturally gifted talent >>>> trained talent anyday

I've seen your video domain - (the shadowboxing one) and wasn't too impressed, you were quick - but you kept doing this type of tripled up jab which was just shaking your hand. I reckon your the only one whose voted for you.

In truth, nobody can tell. I think anyone here has got the potential to do something.. .at the end of the day, we all have different targets. I know i will reach my target - to get back to fighting infront of audiences, which will happen in October. Although others might have other "potentials" to fill in.

But if the question is really.."who is the best here" which i sincerly think it is, then you can not tell. As those who have posted videos have not shown enough, and those who have not posted at all could easily be much better.

Infact there is one exception to a good video i've seen. I saw a video inwhich Ricky Feroz fought and won, he looked like a confident amatuer and a good attacking fighter. Plus he was was quite techinically proficient and fast. My vote for Ricky Feroz on the basis that he is the only one here i have seen fight - and he did it well.

Ok, and Im talking handspeed... Im just naturally quick as hell, experience has nothing to do with that...
True, experience has nothing to do with that.

and as far as him winning all those tourneys and all that ****... yayyy yayyy bravoo... big whip, he's been doing it for a while.. he SHOULD be winning all those tourneys n ****
You think winning tournaments is that easy? Let's see you enter a regional tournament for noobs where you live first.

naturally gifted talent >>>> trained talent anyday
Who says he isn't naturally gifted? You don't live that far from Chicago do you? Show up, and he'll spar you after he's out of the tournament.

Edit: I'll film it, and put it up here. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Hoskins should not be listed with these amateurs.

I dont know who has the most potential or handspeed but mcalister is pretty fast with his hands.I dont like giving myself credit alot,as u can see.haha.As for potential? I havnt seen ne1 all that impressive yet. I think I need to see more of there sparring videos.

You think winning tournaments is that easy?

I said he's been doing it for a while, so he SHOULD be winning those tourneys...


Who says he isn't naturally gifted? You don't live that far from Chicago do you? Show up, and he'll spar you after he's out of the tournament.

Edit: I'll film it, and put it up here. Don't say I didn't warn you.


Im in georgia, Im not gonna drive all the way to the chi to sparr someone..... however, my boy will stays here and he is from chicago... next time he go home Ill go with him, what part of chicago is the gym in

And whats his weight class

I said he's been doing it for a while, so he SHOULD be winning those tourneys...
Haha, how many guys have "been doing it for a while"? Lots. How many win international tournaments? Only one in each tournament. And I'm talking national team participants from different countries. Get it? You have to qualify for your national team to even enter these tournaments.




Im in georgia, Im not gonna drive all the way to the chi to sparr someone..... however, my boy will stays here and he is from chicago... next time he go home Ill go with him, what part of chicago is the gym in

My bad, I thought you were from around there. I wasn't talking about about a gym, I'm talking about October when we're coming over from Europe to participate in the world championships (which should probably tip you off, that you're in over your head with this kid...).

Edit: He's fighting at 152, so a little lighter than you.

yall dont even know bout me, i **** people up. and i dont have to put up a ***** ass video of myself.

Haha, how many guys have "been doing it for a while"? Lots. How many win international tournaments? Only one in each tournament. And I'm talking national team participants from different countries. Get it? You have to qualify for your national team to even enter these tournaments.





My bad, I thought you were from around there. I wasn't talking about about a gym, I'm talking about October when we're coming over from Europe to participate in the world championships (which should probably tip you off, that you're in over your head with this kid...).

Edit: He's fighting at 152, so a little lighter than you.

Thats not lighter than me... I weighed myself last week and was 150...

In over my head? your the one that brought up potential, and starts naming tourneys he's won... just because cuz I said that he's not far ahead in the speed department....... skill wise, as far as boxing technique ect. well duhh he'd be more experienced than me, I just started a year ago...... but I just dont see him being faster than me, thats just me

Thats not lighter than me... I weighed myself last week and was 150...

In over my head? your the one that brought up potential, and starts naming tourneys he's won... just because cuz I said that he's not far ahead in the speed department....... skill wise, as far as boxing technique ect. well duhh he'd be more experienced than me, I just started a year ago...... but I just dont see him being faster than me, thats just me

So what did this mean by this reply to me saying he's much better than you? naturally gifted talent >>>> trained talent anyday

ricky feroz from what i have seen...

So what did this mean by this reply to me saying he's much better than you?

Meaning, once I get the experience... its basically over, since I got it naturally

Which is better than someone who's just experienced, and happens to be pretty damn good just because they've been doing it for a while




*if ur guy has it naturally too, then cool... but im talking about if he just been doing it for a while and thats why he's good*

McAlister I have no problem with you, but you're coming off as a little ridiculous with this "I have it naturally just haven't learned to box well yet" ****. You're only as good as you are (and I'm not saying you're not good), any belief in your own 'natural' undeveloped talent is castles in the air.

i think we should all just stop this ****, post some proper videos so we can help eachother out and get some fight records! :boxing:

McAlister I have no problem with you, but you're coming off as a little ridiculous with this "I have it naturally just haven't learned to box well yet" ****. You're only as good as you are (and I'm not saying you're not good), any belief in your own 'natural' undeveloped talent is castles in the air.

What you mean havent learned to box well yet.... I didnt say that... Im VERY pleased with my boxing skillz.. lol VERY VERY pleased... EXTREMELY PLEASED lol...

maybe u took what I was saying the wrong way, what Im sayin is... if im as good as I am... in just a years time, its scary what the future holds.. and thats not bragging, thats just bein real.. and confident.. look at versa for an example... only has 1 fight, and hasnt been doing this for long.. but the potential is crazy, all it takes is a lil more experience.. and its a wrap


theres just certain ppl that just have it naturally, if u dont get what im sayin.. thens its not meant for you to get

i think we should all just stop this ****, post some proper videos so we can help eachother out and get some fight records! :boxing:

Yeah thats a great idea.... I dont know if it would work on this site tho lol.. some guys like to give advice to ppl that dont even fit they style..... they'll style a winky style fighter, to fight with a james toney style.... or vice versa

tell a slugger, to try to box from the outside and pop the jab lol

or tell a speed boxer to sit down on theyre punches instead of throwin light combos

haha the vid ive seen of D1ac he looked very slow he said something about he trained for 2 hours proir id train 4 hours prior and still look faster, Versa can move his head back and forth like tyson faster then he can his hands, the others i dont know ive only got 1 vid posted of an actual fight in which my hand where down at my waist and i still look faster then the others.....

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Meaning, once I get the experience... its basically over, since I got it naturally

Which is better than someone who's just experienced, and happens to be pretty damn good just because they've been doing it for a while




*if ur guy has it naturally too, then cool... but im talking about if he just been doing it for a while and thats why he's good*

If you don't "have it" naturally, you won't go as far as he has, so yeah, he's got it. Whether you have it or not... well all we have is your own word, and you don't even know yet. You need experience to find out if you have it, which you'll find out if you ever get experience. There's a lot of surprises for you out there.

Regardless, the offer still stands, if you're in Chicago in october.

WHo stays in chi-town im in kzoo dats only a 2 hr drive holla at me im down der for a sparring session

haha the vid ive seen of D1ac he looked very slow he said something about he trained for 2 hours proir id train 4 hours prior and still look faster, Versa can move his head back and forth like tyson faster then he can his hands, the others i dont know ive only got 1 vid posted of an actual fight in which my hand where down at my waist and i still look faster then the others.....

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Cool vid.

Seems like you may have some speed on you, Just cant tell from that vid because you were mainly throwing looping power punches

WHo stays in chi-town im in kzoo dats only a 2 hr drive holla at me im down der for a sparring session



there u go punch drunk

theres just certain ppl that just have it naturally, if u dont get what im sayin.. thens its not meant for you to get

I get what you're saying, but I don't think you have the capability of understanding how dumb you sound.

But good luck with boxing.

Vers is the perfect opponent for Hoskins, by the way. I wish that one came off.

Versys handspeed did not impress me. His Clifford Hicks (tysons supposed half brother, not sure about last name) is a dangerous style he should lose. I hope he new gym breaks that style of his.

Versys handspeed did not impress me. His Clifford Hicks (tysons supposed half brother, not sure about last name) is a dangerous style he should lose. I hope he new gym breaks that style of his.

I agree, but don't you think it's the perfect style to knockout Hoskins?

I'm still going with Vers KO2 Hoskins

I agree, but don't you think it's the perfect style to knockout Hoskins?

I'm still going with Vers KO2 Hoskins


haha vers is nice like i always say but his two little, id body him all day cut the ring of and combo him right jab to left straight to right hook to left straight to right uppercut and its over......... damn i wish my trainer allowed cameras in da gym cuz yall really dont know i spar everybody and i make um look stupid i remember when i 1st started my trainer put me in der wit dis 6'5 250 plus cat and i made him look stupid wit speed, den he put me in wit dis 160 cat and i made him look stupid wit power and aggressivness, then he put me in wit diz cat rico who at the time was 9-0 9 kos no bull**** and i out jabbed da **** out of his power shoit throwin ass....

Vers KO1 Hoskins

Don Amazin, you wouldn't need to cut off the ring, he'll meet you in the middle of it.

But I'm one of your biggest fans, no disrespect meant.

haha ok punch answer my question doe homey what gym you at in chi-town and you got $100 on a sparring session

Don Amazin, you wouldn't need to cut off the ring, he'll meet you in the middle of it.

But I'm one of your biggest fans, no disrespect meant.


naw watch a vers sparring tape he may come at you at 1st but he tends to fade off and when he doesnt he does more head work den punchin and im pretty accurate i think i could get a few uppercuts in when he goes to bob and **** that would for 1 stop all dat then he wouldnt wanna come in as much and if his ass did get the confidence to do so he would be throwin a lot more to coincide with the shots im throwin an dats bound to get him KOed but im not goin go at with other catz over some1 else...

naw watch a vers sparring tape he may come at you at 1st but he tends to fade off and when he doesnt he does more head work den punchin and im pretty accurate i think i could get a few uppercuts in when he goes to bob and **** that would for 1 stop all dat then he wouldnt wanna come in as much and if his ass did get the confidence to do so he would be throwin a lot more to coincide with the shots im throwin an dats bound to get him KOed but im not goin go at with other catz over some1 else...

I do more head work because its SPARRING.haha.(I get a kick on working on my defense,because working on my defense would help me with my counters.Therefore helping me hit ****ers.ahaha.But I feel you.The rest that u said is totally off,but im not going to prove a point.

Versys handspeed did not impress me. His Clifford Hicks (tysons supposed half brother, not sure about last name) is a dangerous style he should lose. I hope he new gym breaks that style of his.

funny cause your the first to ever say that.Even a 2 time world champion has said its a good style for me. So guess whos opinion I would favor.Plus my body type says different,thick,short and short armed with huge legs and a short torso.No need to explain more.

I do more head work because its SPARRING.haha.(I get a kick on working on my defense,because working on my defense would help me with my counters.Therefore helping me hit ****ers.ahaha.But I feel you.The rest that u said is totally off,but im not going to prove a point.


haha no doubt, i feel you see we have a different approach to sparring while i do base a lot of it on helpin me defensivle ive always thought the best defense is a good offense so while i do like to work on d in sparrin sessions i never hold back as far as punches thrown maybe power but my goal is to whoop your ass period

I dont see how you guys can tell by videos. The camera angles and speeds have a lot to do with it. Some cameras will make things look so much quicker, some slower, not to mention angles. I guess you can tell form, technique , footwork ect... from a vid (expecially digital vids taken by cheap cameras) but handspeed seems like the least likey thing you'd be able to judge from some of these bad quality vids. IS hand speed everything though? someone could have quick hands but not hurt a fly. Also, you'll have one person hitting a set of training mits with taped hands and another hitting a heavy bag or person with 16oz gloves. I dont know about you guys, but im like lightening with just my hands compared to 16 oz gloves especially after a few rounds of training.

haha the vid ive seen of D1ac he looked very slow he said something about he trained for 2 hours proir id train 4 hours prior and still look faster, Versa can move his head back and forth like tyson faster then he can his hands, the others i dont know ive only got 1 vid posted of an actual fight in which my hand where down at my waist and i still look faster then the others.....

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Damn kid your vicious like a wild mayorga and ****.

but hey why you whistling while shadow boxing in thsi video?
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Damn kid your vicious like a wild mayorga and ****.

but hey why you whistling while shadow boxing in thsi video?
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lmao.. thats not whistling..... lol

jus letting out a lil air while throwing a punch.. ur suppose to do that (or alot of trainers recommend it)

lmao.. thats not whistling..... lol

jus letting out a lil air while throwing a punch.. ur suppose to do that (or alot of trainers recommend it)

for real? I thought he was just trying to add some sound effects for the camera to make his punches seem blazing speed.

lmao.. thats not whistling..... lol

jus letting out a lil air while throwing a punch.. ur suppose to do that (or alot of trainers recommend it)

I read you should wear a mouthguard and breath throught your nose. Anyone else read this?

I read you should wear a mouthguard and breath throught your nose. Anyone else read this?

I think u read wrong

:ugh:

haha the vid ive seen of D1ac he looked very slow he said something about he trained for 2 hours proir id train 4 hours prior and still look faster, Versa can move his head back and forth like tyson faster then he can his hands, the others i dont know ive only got 1 vid posted of an actual fight in which my hand where down at my waist and i still look faster then the others.....

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damn that sum straight up myorga ****.. REAL TALK... am I wrong Greatest?.. I know you musta been hyped but real talk. thats myorga in the ring.

damn that sum straight up myorga ****.. REAL TALK... am I wrong Greatest?.. I know you musta been hyped but real talk. thats myorga in the ring.

ya mayorga and we seen what oscar and tito did to him...cory spinks even fiddled with mayorga.

Thats all the kid is mayorga but even mayorga could be a slow guy like you man not hating so dont get offended just honest.

I dont see how you guys can tell by videos. The camera angles and speeds have a lot to do with it. Some cameras will make things look so much quicker, some slower, not to mention angles. I guess you can tell form, technique , footwork ect... from a vid (expecially digital vids taken by cheap cameras) but handspeed seems like the least likey thing you'd be able to judge from some of these bad quality vids. IS hand speed everything though? someone could have quick hands but not hurt a fly. Also, you'll have one person hitting a set of training mits with taped hands and another hitting a heavy bag or person with 16oz gloves. I dont know about you guys, but im like lightening with just my hands compared to 16 oz gloves especially after a few rounds of training.



these guys have all been out of the gym for long periods of time so I figured they forgot the logic.

You were Nice to refresh their memory. I was gonna let them stay oblivious to the fact.

I think u read wrong

:ugh:

lol nope your wrong, it's highly recommended! this is from Rosstraining.com :

'This tip is directed to those combat athletes who compete while wearing a mouthpiece. I’ll get right to the point. If you fight with a mouthpiece, you need to train with your mouthpiece.

Consider the sport of boxing. You will always box while wearing a mouthpiece. Unfortunately, it is very rare to see a boxer hitting the bag while wearing his mouthpiece. The mouthpiece is only worn during sparring sessions. The sparring session therefore is used not only to develop sport-specific attributes (ex. combination punching), but it also takes on the task of familiarizing the fighter with his mouthpiece. This is a mistake.

When you constantly hit the bag without a mouthpiece, you get used to breathing through your mouth, rather than biting down on the mouthpiece (and breathing through the nose). Your breathing patterns are not “sport-specific” to what you will be doing inside the ring.

Whether you are hitting the mitts with your coach or hitting the heavy bag on your own, you should wear your mouthpiece.

As a youngster, I was taught to run with my mouthpiece. I learned to breathe through my nose during brisk roadwork sessions. A fighter who breathes through his mouth will be much more susceptible to a knockout. You need to bite down on the mouthpiece while fighting on the inside. A solid punch (or kick) to the chin will be devastating to the fighter whose mouth is wide open. Learn to breathe through the nose by training with your mouthpiece.'

:boxing:

lol nope your wrong, it's highly recommended! this is from Rosstraining.com :

'This tip is directed to those combat athletes who compete while wearing a mouthpiece. I’ll get right to the point. If you fight with a mouthpiece, you need to train with your mouthpiece.

Consider the sport of boxing. You will always box while wearing a mouthpiece. Unfortunately, it is very rare to see a boxer hitting the bag while wearing his mouthpiece. The mouthpiece is only worn during sparring sessions. The sparring session therefore is used not only to develop sport-specific attributes (ex. combination punching), but it also takes on the task of familiarizing the fighter with his mouthpiece. This is a mistake.

When you constantly hit the bag without a mouthpiece, you get used to breathing through your mouth, rather than biting down on the mouthpiece (and breathing through the nose). Your breathing patterns are not “sport-specific” to what you will be doing inside the ring.

Whether you are hitting the mitts with your coach or hitting the heavy bag on your own, you should wear your mouthpiece.

As a youngster, I was taught to run with my mouthpiece. I learned to breathe through my nose during brisk roadwork sessions. A fighter who breathes through his mouth will be much more susceptible to a knockout. You need to bite down on the mouthpiece while fighting on the inside. A solid punch (or kick) to the chin will be devastating to the fighter whose mouth is wide open. Learn to breathe through the nose by training with your mouthpiece.'

:boxing:


hmmm.... that makes real, real, real sense. I reckon on monday i'm guna train with mine in.

I mean, you train as if you you are actually fighting, so why not have a the accutraments that go with it.

lol nope your wrong, it's highly recommended! this is from Rosstraining.com :

'This tip is directed to those combat athletes who compete while wearing a mouthpiece. I’ll get right to the point. If you fight with a mouthpiece, you need to train with your mouthpiece.

Consider the sport of boxing. You will always box while wearing a mouthpiece. Unfortunately, it is very rare to see a boxer hitting the bag while wearing his mouthpiece. The mouthpiece is only worn during sparring sessions. The sparring session therefore is used not only to develop sport-specific attributes (ex. combination punching), but it also takes on the task of familiarizing the fighter with his mouthpiece. This is a mistake.

When you constantly hit the bag without a mouthpiece, you get used to breathing through your mouth, rather than biting down on the mouthpiece (and breathing through the nose). Your breathing patterns are not “sport-specific” to what you will be doing inside the ring.

Whether you are hitting the mitts with your coach or hitting the heavy bag on your own, you should wear your mouthpiece.

As a youngster, I was taught to run with my mouthpiece. I learned to breathe through my nose during brisk roadwork sessions. A fighter who breathes through his mouth will be much more susceptible to a knockout. You need to bite down on the mouthpiece while fighting on the inside. A solid punch (or kick) to the chin will be devastating to the fighter whose mouth is wide open. Learn to breathe through the nose by training with your mouthpiece.'

:boxing:

Yeah that's wear I read it, tried it the other day and it was good.

I really do need to start trainin' with mine in too, especially cause I just got a new one, and it's uncomfortable as hell.

why on earth is white hope on there?

damn that sum straight up myorga ****.. REAL TALK... am I wrong Greatest?.. I know you musta been hyped but real talk. thats myorga in the ring.


haha honestly i look horrible as **** in the vid, it was my first fight i didnt train and well you see hands down just tryin to smother the dude! i look a 100 times better dis days

ya mayorga and we seen what oscar and tito did to him...cory spinks even fiddled with mayorga.

Thats all the kid is mayorga but even mayorga could be a slow guy like you man not hating so dont get offended just honest.

haha its good, **** ive said it myself i look horrible in the vid, im not wild like that at all i mean i come at you just the same but hands up and a vicious D to accompany the O, this was my 1st fight no training nothing just peer adreline pumpin tryin to KO a motha****a

haha its good, **** ive said it myself i look horrible in the vid, im not wild like that at all i mean i come at you just the same but hands up and a vicious D to accompany the O, this was my 1st fight no training nothing just peer adreline pumpin tryin to KO a motha****a

but for reals you came at old boy like he stole ya bread man haah.

i had to for whitehope im so sorry lol. the oppurtunity was there and i couldnt pass up on it, otherwise i think i have the greatest potential!! lol. im 17 and have the perfect build to box i just need to STAY motivated lol.

Why the hell is whithe hope on there?! Better yet, why does he have so many votes?!

lol i had to vote for him its just such a crazy answer. its like asking a fat guy who loves KFC: was it a) Colonel Sanders or b) Hitler, and the fat guy answering Hitler.

Vers and with relative ease.

I think he'd ***** slap all these other "boxers" or whatever.

I voted for white hope

Threads like these should be closed.

I vote for White Hope I saw him throw 21 power shots (KO punches) in a row on the heavy bag.

thats ****ing serious

Lmao even readin everyones comments on why they voted for him makes me laugh, it really does.

I vote for White Hope I saw him throw 21 power shots (KO punches) in a row on the heavy bag.

thats ****ing serious

i cant believe all the videos people post on here.. what are you really looking for?? people who picked miranda to beat pavlik to give you advice about your boxing skills? lol.

if one of the guys i trained with asked me to record him doing some bull**** training so he could put in on youtube id tell him to get a life.

i cant believe all the videos people post on here.. what are you really looking for?? people who picked miranda to beat pavlik to give you advice about your boxing skills? lol.

if one of the guys i trained with asked me to record him doing some bull**** training so he could put in on youtube id tell him to get a life.

Great, so what are YOU doing on this forum? :kiss:

I vote for White Hope I saw him throw 21 power shots (KO punches) in a row on the heavy bag.

thats ****ing serious

power shots aimed at a guy's elbows

Great, so what are YOU doing on this forum? :kiss:

keeping it real, per as usual

sorry if you cant handle that

keeping it real, per as usual

sorry if you cant handle that

I can handle most things just fine, but you coming in here and basically calling the whole training forum useless isn't "keeping it real" (u mus' be from da streetz 4 realz, ******?).

Obviously, having a real life trainer is the best way to go, but that doesn't mean sharing experiences, getting/giving advice, and seeing what the other people on this board actually do is useless. It's definitely a lot better than a bunch of nerds having a dick waving contest using pro fighters as their dicks. "Ricky's gonna beat [insert other fanboy's favorite fighter here]'s ass!"