In todays boxing world their are a variety of different defensive styles that boxers utilize. Theres the classic up and down, the quick countering philly shell, and the cross. I dont have the best trainer in the world i really get what i pay 4....but i really want to learn the shoulder roll technique that the Mayweathers utilize. Anyone know any trainers that are skilled with this tehnique or the philly shell? I think i got the basics but i wouldnt trust it in the ring

you have to be fast to be in the philly shell

I think i got the basics but i wouldnt trust it in the ring


its hell of alot better than the guard up defense lol.. cuz they can still rock u like that.. if some of those punches get thru the gloves or around

where-as in the shell, u barely get touched (not in the face atleast, ur arms but thats about it)

I believe that I got the speed to use it. But my trainer knows squat about it hes pretty old school. Ive been looking 4 a new trainer for the longest but I just want to try the philly shell out and see if it fits my fighting style. I am a pretty fast outside fighter that tends to leave my hands down a bit. I feel that the classic up and down style slows me down when the fighting gets inside and close. I look at Mayweathers film all the time and just c how he masters the shoulder roll.

its hell of alot better than the guard up defense lol.. cuz they can still rock u like that.. if some of those punches get thru the gloves or around

where-as in the shell, u barely get touched (not in the face atleast, ur arms but thats about it)

I was thinking about that recently. I was thinking to myself that Mayweather wont be punch drunk because if you look the punches land on the shoulder and elbow and dont get near the head, where as when you put the gloves on your face and cover the punch is still basically hitting your head just with your hand in the way.

I was tryin it alittle in sparrin, when I just cover up they pummel my gloves and it still feels like gettin hit in the head, I blocked a couple rollin my shoulder and I can take those all day long and it wont hurt my head cause it doesnt come near it.

i use the pihlly shell agianst the people i no punch wide and **** but other then that i try to fight more like a miguel cotto or oscar de la hoya

I mean did it take you awhile to get used to that blocking style? Like what is the basics to the philly shell all i know is what ive seen watching different fighters utilize it

volume puncher, like to get inside and unload big shots. I have pretty good power but my biggest problem is that when i get someone with a good shot i stop jabbing n start throwing big shots from the outside and then it turns into a brawl

Peek-a-boo style gaurd, infighter. I'm constantly moving my head as well so I barely get hit.

Peek-a-boo style gaurd, infighter. I'm constantly moving my head as well so I barely get hit.

:werd: A guy at my gym says that sparring me is like "a fistfight in a phone booth." I've started using less of the binoculars guard and more of a traditional guard, though. I'm still an infighter; I like to be so close that the guy can smell the garlic on my breath. I've got a powerful shovelhook with either hand and I'm exceptionally strong, so I like to get in and throw heavy, bull him around, tie him up, piss him off, and basically make him tired and mad. My style is kinda similar to the guy that DA1CATAS tuned up in the sparring vids he just posted, but I'm eighty pounds lighter and much faster.

I also have a pretty quick jab and I come from a sabre fencing background so my feints are excellent.

One the coaches at my gym teaches the shoulder roll. I haven't been boxing long, but I've found it quite comfortable and a successful way of defense in light sparring.

i usually use the hands up defense and try and slip and bob and weave punches, but in certain situations i use the shoulder roll / philly shell style. i'm no mayweather or toney, but it certainly is useful in certain situations. in my experience to use the philly shell u have to hold ur head up, not really high, but high enough for ur opponent to punch at ur chin and as he punches (higher than usual if ur chin was all the way down), you roll ur shoulder FAST and his punches slide off like butter. u gotta be real fast and have near perfect timing to pull it off, but its a great D to master.

lol i like to think of my style, kind of a cross between Muhammad Ali, and Roy Jones Jr, i'm working on the footwork and the power, i seem to have the reflexes and the handspeed, but that doesn't mean i'm comparing myself to them! haha

It really bothers me when people tout the philly shell "shoulder roll" like it makes you invincible. If you are not very fast, you will, and I place emphasis on the world WILL, get caught flush with right hands. If you want to fight in the philly shell position, I would recomend modeling your defense off of Evander Holyfeild, atleast until you become very proficient at it. He does the Philly shell, but he uses his right hand to block the left side of his face when a right hand is incoming.

There is a reason you dont see every single professional fighter using the philly shell defense. You have to be very very good to make it work well.

Hands up defense is the best defense there is. Even Floyd Mayweather used it vs Zab Judah when his philly shell failed. If punches are slipping through your hands up defense, it is because your defense is sloppy. Hands up defense doesnt only involve putting your hands up and catching punches on the gloves. It also involves taking the steam out of punches by moving your body with them. If you just put your gloves up and let people wail on you, you will fell the punches. If you use a the hands up defense properly, you cant be touched. Its why people can rope-a-dope. When you are covered up properly, you are for all intents and purposes untouchable.

You need to master the hands up defense before you try any other form of defense.

my style - run you over style. no explanation needed.

Lol that's good. You a swarmer like Marciano then?

my style - run you over style. no explanation needed.

thats always been my style in street fighting, but now Im actually sparring pro boxers and my defense suck, I go right into shots and its not good takin shots when I spar heavyweights. Plus its harder to get the punches in with gloves and headgear covering up all the holes, its easier to slip a fist in than a big 16oz gloves when the glove is covering up with gloves too.

Lol that's good. You a swarmer like Marciano then?

my style emphasizes a technical, but agressive approach to taken someone out. very no-nonsense type of stuff. getting straight to the point in the shortest amount of time possible. no retreating, only temporary withdraw if absolutely needed. another characteristic is owning the other fighter's space.

thats always been my style in street fighting, but now Im actually sparring pro boxers and my defense suck, I go right into shots and its not good takin shots when I spar heavyweights. Plus its harder to get the punches in with gloves and headgear covering up all the holes, its easier to slip a fist in than a big 16oz gloves when the glove is covering up with gloves too.

being agressive doesn't necessarily mean being sloppy or impatient or untechnical. defence should be offence, and offence should be defence.

16 oz gloves are big. they definitely slow you down a bit more than, say 12 oz. it's not just that bit of extra weight, but the size of them creates far more drag. can't be as accurate either. however, the upside is that you don't have to worry about getting really ****ed up by getting hit as you would with 6 or 4 oz mma gloves.

my style emphasizes a technical, but agressive approach to taken someone out. very no-nonsense type of stuff. getting straight to the point in the shortest amount of time possible. no retreating, only temporary withdraw if absolutely needed. another characteristic is owning the other fighter's space.

Mine kinda like that, I use a lot head bobbing a weaving though to get throught there jabs and then lotsa short compact blows and maybe a side stp so they don't know what I'm doing. I like my style as it's quick powerful and can put a lot of people down. But I know what you mean, constantly pushing foward barely moving back.

I personally think you should just try out the different types of defenses. See what works best for YOU... just do some light sparring with different people in your gym, and see what works best for you. But what do I know? I'm not an expert :)