By some posters logic, Wladimir Klitschko should retire at 28 years old because he lost a couple fights. So many people use the "he lost to him so he's better than him" analogy, doesn't that mean Chris Byrd should retire? After all, he lost badly to Wladimir.

Imagine Lewis retiring after McCall, or Tyson retiring after Douglas. The list of examples could go on and on. Why should Wladimir be any different? Just think of all the great fights we would have missed if these men retired after their first KO loss.

Are you for real? No offense but you have been asking some real dumb questions lately. Your logic is horrible and makes no sense. The fight with Sanders exposed Wlad, his confidence has been shattered and his chin revealed. From that fight Wlad has lost to the pathetic Brewster and was on his way to losing to TOS.

Chris Byrd has recovered fully from the fight with Wlad and he has become a world champion. Wlad by contrast has become a pretender.

Get over your obsession with the Klit brothers and stop acting like they can do no wrong. Its one thing to be passionate about your favorite fighter and it is another thing to be completely blind. You Torino are blind. Wlad should retire because he is a fraud.

WHY CANT YOU FANATIC WLAD FANS SEE THAT WLAD CANT TAKE A PUNCH AND IS AFRAID TO GET HIT.

This is just one more case of people making posts based on their personal feelings for a fighter, instead of looking at all the facts objectively. I don't feel that Wlad should retire, he still has things to learn, and I feel he will improve with time. People just tend to be lenient with the fighters they like, and condemn the ones they don't, it's a natural tendency.

Chris Byrd's a good defensive fighter who is accustomed to fighting 12-rounders.

I don't think Wlad should retire, but those who do probably see this guy's chances at being "hurt" as the primary reason for retirement. He has been flat-out blasted. Lennox took a great shot from Rahman, but he never got Sanders-ized.

I think Wlad can keep fighting, but Sanders and Brewster, along with the Williamson fight, make it hard to see that Wlad could compete at a high level. He needs a good performance to reassure his fans and critics.

He's a monster; I give him a shot against some big names, like he has already beaten, but I also allow for the possibility that he gets destroyed. Someone like that is fun to watch fight in a bout where we know someone's probably getting KO'd, but why would a guy with all that education, money, and fame want to risk his health like that?

If Wlad should retire, I don't see why Byrd shouldn't also. Byrd is finished. He was owned in last two fights against a weak B level fighter Oquendo who hasn't beaten anyone and a shot Golota who has a loss to the biggest glass chin of them all, Michael Grant. Wlad and Byrd should fight each other, and the loser should retire.

This is just one more case of people making posts based on their personal feelings for a fighter, instead of looking at all the facts objectively. I don't feel that Wlad should retire, he still has things to learn, and I feel he will improve with time. People just tend to be lenient with the fighters they like, and condemn the ones they don't, it's a natural tendency.

Yet the guy above you thinks that Wlad is a heartless, stamina lacking, glass chinned bum and that he should retire. I guess what goes around comes around.

The logic routinely applied to Wlad can be applied to many other good fighters: Byrd, Jirov, and others. The application of this logic, and the logic itself, are very subjective. There is no objectivity involved, and all of the claims, that purport to have an objective view on the problem, are unfair, to say the least.

If Wlad should retire, I don't see why Byrd shouldn't also. Byrd is finished. He was owned in last two fights against a weak B level fighter Oquendo who hasn't beaten anyone and a shot Golota who has a loss to the biggest glass chin of them all, Michael Grant. Wlad and Byrd should fight each other, and the loser should retire.

Byrd is finished? Byrd is the IBF heavyweight champion of the world. He lost to Oquendo by two points on my card and beat Golota by 2 points aloso on my card. Go back and watch both fights again, he wasn't owned in either fight they were close tough fights.

Again the Wlad fans logic just doesn't make sense. Another case of bitter Wlad fans angry that the small Chris Byrd has become a legit world champion while their guy the "heir" to the HW thrown has been exposed by nobodies.

yes on Nov 13 it is time for Byrd to retire in my humble opinion

Yeah, I know how it feels, I can't stand James Toney, and I hate to see people still paying attention to him. I want someone to retire him so I won't have to hear about him anymore, but I will have to wait on that one. It's the same way for those who don't like the Klits, and I respect the fact that they don't like them, I just wish they would give at least a little credit where it's due. They want to harp on everything they do wrong, and always have long list of "It was against a nobody, he was lucky, it doesn't matter, he'll be exposed when he fights a real fighter" type posts when either of them does anything right. At least I admit that I hate Toney, and am still able to have a logical discussion about his chances in the division, some of these guys can't do that.

I'm just applying your logic to your fighter, no hard feelings. If a fight where Wlad outlands his opponent by a 3-1 ratio and only loses a round 10-9 on every judges scorecard in which he is KD is even, then Byrd was owned in his last two fights by a B level Oquendo who is just trash and a shot Golota.

Hey Neuraxis and Torino theres a good article on the Klit brothers on the ********boxing.com homepage. Have a gander, this is what most logical people who KNOW boxing think about your boys.

I'm just applying your logic to your fighter, no hard feelings. If a fight where Wlad outlands his opponent by a 3-1 ratio and only loses a round 10-9 on every judges scorecard in which he is KD is even, then Byrd was owned in his last two fights by a B level Oquendo who is just trash and a shot Golota.

Again an example of absolutely poor logic by bitter Wlad fans, hey go check out that ******** article.You don't see people writing articles like that on Chris Byrd

again with the Klit fanboys.

Its not that he's losing and thats the reason he should retire. Its THE WAY Wlad is losing. He looks completeley shook in the ring now.Its obvious he is a scared fighter and afraid to pull the trigger in the ring.

Weather you thought Byrd lost his last two fights or not they were good close action fights. He wasn't getting dusted by some laughing stock like Lamon Brewster and make no mistake about it Brewster is a laughing stock.

Boxing is not black and white.You cant apply the same logic to every fighter, every fighter is different. You cant just say well these guys have all been KO'ed so they should all retire. Anyone who has any kind of boxing knowledge whatsoever would know this.

By some posters logic, Wladimir Klitschko should retire at 28 years old because he lost a couple fights. So many people use the "he lost to him so he's better than him" analogy, doesn't that mean Chris Byrd should retire? After all, he lost badly to Wladimir.

Imagine Lewis retiring after McCall, or Tyson retiring after Douglas. The list of examples could go on and on. Why should Wladimir be any different? Just think of all the great fights we would have missed if these men retired after their first KO loss.
Unlike Wlad, Chris Byrd hasn't been KO'd by a journeyman (Brewster) and nearly KO'd by a never was (Williamson). Wlad can still make money and get paid well and work his way back into the title picture. But he'll never beat an A level heavyweight with a half way decent punch. Right now I'd make Wlad vs. Byrd II an even money fight.

again with the Klit fanboys.

Its not that he's losing and thats the reason he should retire. Its THE WAY Wlad is losing. He looks completeley shook in the ring now.Its obvious he is a scared fighter and afraid to pull the trigger in the ring.

Weather you thought Byrd lost his last two fights or not they were good close action fights. He wasn't getting dusted by some laughing stock like Lamon Brewster and make no mistake about it Brewster is a laughing stock.

Boxing is not black and white.You cant apply the same logic to every fighter, every fighter is different. You cant just say well these guys have all been KO'ed so they should all retire. Anyone who has any kind of boxing knowledge whatsoever would know this.

Exactly jose. Its almost like some Klit fans don't even know boxing, they just know the Klit brothers.

Are you for real? No offense but you have been asking some real dumb questions lately. Your logic is horrible and makes no sense. The fight with Sanders exposed Wlad, his confidence has been shattered and his chin revealed. From that fight Wlad has lost to the pathetic Brewster and was on his way to losing to TOS.

Chris Byrd has recovered fully from the fight with Wlad and he has become a world champion. Wlad by contrast has become a pretender.

Get over your obsession with the Klit brothers and stop acting like they can do no wrong. Its one thing to be passionate about your favorite fighter and it is another thing to be completely blind. You Torino are blind. Wlad should retire because he is a fraud.

WHY CANT YOU FANATIC WLAD FANS SEE THAT WLAD CANT TAKE A PUNCH AND IS AFRAID TO GET HIT.
Funny thing is.......It's YOUR logic.

Exactly jose. Its almost like some Klit fans don't even know boxing, they just know the Klit brothers.

Pretty much. It seems they only got into Boxing when they found out they had soemone represtenting them.

Im you try and explain some of the most basic stuff and its just flying over thier heads and they comeback with some of the most laughable post I have ever seen.

The logic routinely applied to Wlad can be applied to many other good fighters: Byrd, Jirov, and others. The application of this logic, and the logic itself, are very subjective. There is no objectivity involved, and all of the claims, that purport to have an objective view on the problem, are unfair, to say the least.Wow, I wasn't sure anyone understood where is was going with the original question. I'm glad to see got it. Cheers Nautilus!

Funny thing is.......It's YOUR logic.

No its you manipulaitng my logic for your own personal vedetta against Byrd. Get over it, Wlad is DONE.

Wow, I wasn't sure anyone understood where is was going with the original question. I'm glad to see got it. Cheers Nautilus!

You Klit fans just continue to give you and your fighters a bad name, shame on you for being so blind. Open your eyes and see reality, maybe you'll actually learn a little about boxing.

Are you for real? No offense but you have been asking some real dumb questions lately. Your logic is horrible and makes no sense. The fight with Sanders exposed Wlad, his confidence has been shattered and his chin revealed. From that fight Wlad has lost to the pathetic Brewster and was on his way to losing to TOS.

Chris Byrd has recovered fully from the fight with Wlad and he has become a world champion. Wlad by contrast has become a pretender.

Get over your obsession with the Klit brothers and stop acting like they can do no wrong. Its one thing to be passionate about your favorite fighter and it is another thing to be completely blind. You Torino are blind. Wlad should retire because he is a fraud.

WHY CANT YOU FANATIC WLAD FANS SEE THAT WLAD CANT TAKE A PUNCH AND IS AFRAID TO GET HIT.


you make sense, but i wouldnt say he was on his way to losing to Williamson, i believe he outlanded TOS about 3 to 1 and after being knocked down,he basically shut TOS out. But to compare Wlad and Byrd really isnt necessary, considering the paths they have led.

You Klit fans just continue to give you and your fighters a bad name, shame on you for being so blind. Open your eyes and see reality, maybe you'll actually learn a litte about boxing.All I did was look at the situation from YOUR perspective. This is the same "logic" you use to discredit Wlad. You don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot,do you? So I say shame on you and you should be ashamed of yourself.

you make sense, but i wouldnt say he was on his way to losing to Williamson, i believe he outlanded TOS about 3 to 1 and after being knocked down,he basically shut TOS out. But to compare Wlad and Byrd really isnt necessary, considering the paths they have led.

Yes it is debateable as to whether or not he was on his way to victory, but it was TOS's plan to get Wlad into the later rounds and then make his move. With one of the very few punches he hit Wlad with, Wlad went down.If TOS started to pour it on, he would have took Wlad out.

Yes it is debateable as to whether or not he was on his way to victory, but it was TOS's plan to get Wlad into the later rounds and then make his move. With one of the very few punches he hit Wlad with, Wlad went down.If TOS started to pour it on, he would have took Wlad out.


TOS cant pour it on. He tried after he knocked Wlad down. I think the bottom line is this, Wlad and Byrd are both in trouble, Wlad more so than Chris because of his loss to brewster. Byrd "lost" both of his last fights without actually losing, and both of them need to either step up or step down. before they get hurt.

All I did was look at the situation from YOUR perspective. This is the same "logic" you use to discredit Wlad. You don't like it whae the shoe is on the other foot,do you? So I say shame on you and you should be ashamed of yourself.

You and the other Klit fans seem to be the only ones to think this way. You find some crazy nonsensical logic to try and attempt to restablish Wlad's credibility. If you don't think that is something to be ashamed of, then whatever.

Get over your obseesion and let it go.

I don't think Byrd is in trouble at all. He should have lost that bout with Oquendo and I had him barely beating Golota but he's not in the same boat as Wlad. He's a blown up middle who fights the toughest competition out there...and he WINS. He's not some 6'6 juggernaut with incredible raw offensive talent. Byrd knows/has/does what it takes to win for the most part...Wlad doesn't.

This coming from a guy who hates Byrd. Anyone who says Byrd is done needs to get their clock cleaned. Wlad ain't done either but he really needs to get his **** together before he gets KO'ed again. It's like Jose said...it looks like he's afraid to pull the trigger and fight.

I don't think Byrd is in trouble at all. He should have lost that bout with Oquendo and I had him barely beating Golota but he's not in the same boat as Wlad. He's a blown up middle who fights the toughest competition out there...and he WINS. He's not some 6'6 juggernaut with incredible raw offensive talent. Byrd knows/has/does what it takes to win for the most part...Wlad doesn't.

This coming from a guy who hates Byrd. Anyone who says Byrd is done needs to get their clock cleaned. Wlad ain't done either but he really needs to get his **** together before he gets KO'ed again. It's like Jose said...it looks like he's afraid to pull the trigger and fight.


no don king = byrd loses those last two fights. that is why i said it isnt necessary to compare these two. like you said, theyre not in the same boat.

TOS cant pour it on. He tried after he knocked Wlad down. I think the bottom line is this, Wlad and Byrd are both in trouble, Wlad more so than Chris because of his loss to brewster. Byrd "lost" both of his last fights without actually losing, and both of them need to either step up or step down. before they get hurt.


Yeah...TOS can't pour it on in any respect. He's laughable at best. I disagree when you say Byrd's in trouble. He's never really shown incredible overwhelming skill or anything...he's never been dominant. He's just a good fighter who does what he has to in order to win fights.

OK you can't seem to put things into perspective, so I will once again try to help you.

I never said Wlad was still a top contender. I've have repetedly said "I don't know what will become of his career." good or bad.

I've also said he has developed a lot of problems.

The argument I have is that he shouldn't retire. He's no different than Tyson, Lewis or the countless others before him that lost fights by KO or otherwise.

Does that make me an unreasonable Klitschko fan? NO! In fact it shows I view him with equality to anyother boxer. And it proves You are BIAS.

The truth is that you can't stand ANYTHING good said about Wladimir whatsoever because he beat the crap out of Byrd.

YOU need to get over it.

OK you can't seem to put things into perspective, so I will once again try to help you.

I never said Wlad was still a top contender. I've have repetedly said "I don't know what will become of his career." good or bad.

I've also said he has developed a lot of problems.

The argument I have is that he shouldn't retire. He's no different than Tyson, Lewis or the countless others before him that lost fights by KO or otherwise.

Does that make me an unreasonable Klitschko fan? NO! In fact it shows I view him with equality to anyother boxer. And it proves You are BIAS.

The truth is that you can't stand ANYTHING good said about Wladimir whatsoever because he beat the crap out of Byrd.

YOU need to get over it.

No YOU Cant seem to put it into perspective.

You cant apply the same logic to all fighters because all fighters are different. Doing so only makes you sound foolish.

OK you can't seem to put things into perspective, so I will once again try to help you.

I never said Wlad was still a top contender. I've have repetedly said "I don't know what will become of his career." good or bad.

I've also said he has developed a lot of problems.

The argument I have is that he shouldn't retire. He's no different than Tyson, Lewis or the countless others before him that lost fights by KO or otherwise.

Does that make me an unreasonable Klitschko fan? NO! In fact it shows I view him with equality to anyother boxer. And it proves You are BIAS.

The truth is that you can't stand ANYTHING good said about Wladimir whatsoever because he beat the crap out of Byrd.

YOU need to get over it.

Oh I'm over the Wlad loss because Byrd wasn't expected to win, he should be commended for just getting in the ring with a guy like this. Technically its like a fighter from a lower weight class fighting a guy two or three weight classes above him.You should be so proud of Wlad, a man who is an explosive puncher, 6'7 245lbs behemoth, who beat up a blown-up middle-weight. If Wlad had half the gut Byrd has, he'd be champ by now.

No YOU Cant seem to put it into perspective.

You cant apply the same logic to all fighters because all fighters are different. .......................... DUH! that was the point of my thread. Genius. SOME POSTERS USE THAT LOGIC! They don't like it when it's used back

Oh I'm over the Wlad loss because Byrd wasn't expected to win, he should be commended for just getting in the ring with a guy like this. Technically its like a fighter from a lower weight class fighting a guy two or three weight classes above him.You should be so proud of Wlad, a man who is an explosive puncher, 6'7 245lbs behemoth, who beat up a blown-up middle-weight. If Wlad had half the gut Byrd has, he'd be champ by now.You can't play both sides. You've already insisted that Byrd be considered in the same weight class as Wlad. Remember when I posted a thread about a "Superheavyweight class" lololol Unbelievable

DUH! that was the point of my thread. Genius. SOME POSTERS USE THAT LOGIC! They don't like it when it's used back

This is pathetic, your getting destroyed in these arguments, give up Torino, you have no logic. You are slowly being exposed for your lack of boxing knowledge.

DUH! that was the point of my thread. Genius. SOME POSTERS USE THAT LOGIC! They don't like it when it's used back


Really? Thats funny cause the only one I have ever seen use it is, well...YOU.

You can't play both sides. You've already insisted that Byrd be considered in the same weight class as Wlad. Remember when I posted a thread about a "Superheavyweight class" lololol Unbelievable

I don't think there should be a superheavyweight class becasue look at what Byrd has accomplished. He has defied the odds and became champion, proving with skill, and heart you can prevail. So what Byrd has trouble with these behemoths,so what.Its not an excuse its a fact.

I don't think there should be a superheavyweight class becasue look at what Byrd has accomplished. He has defied the odds and became champion, proving with skill, and heart you can prevail. So what Byrd has trouble with these behemoths,so what.Its not an excuse its a fact. Your name should be "master of the contradiction" instead of keeper of the faith. You switch sides more than Kerry.

and was on his way to losing to TOS.

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Sorry, but I have to call you out on this one CITA. You are using the TOS fight to discredit Wlad since, in your eyes, he may have lost that fight. Yet in another topic going on today, you say it does not matter how good Vitali did against Byrd, the win is all that matters. This is VERY hypocritical. Its hard not to see you as a Klit heater when you do not give them the same benifit as other fighters.

Here is your quote if you have any questions


I couldn't have said it better myself. Just like when people look back on Vitali's fight with Byrd, there not gonna see Vitali was leading,there gonna see that it was TKO in the tenth with the victory going to Byrd.

Again Klit fans give themselves and their boys a bad name.

Your name should be "master of the contradiction" instead of keeper of the faith. You switch sides more than Kerry.


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the Klitschko brothers,
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can't hold Chris Byrds
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Your name should be "master of the contradiction" instead of keeper of the faith. You switch sides more than Kerry.


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the Klitschko brothers,
http://www.comrat.iatp.md/box/Pictures/klitschko%20fan2.jpg (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great%20white%20hope)
can't hold Chris Byrds
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You aren't that bright are you? You bring up ESB for 1 article that is critcle of the Klitschkos, when ESB writes article after article in support of them. They are probably the most pro Klitschko boxing website on the internet. Wise up.

You aren't that bright are you? You bring up ESB for 1 article that is critcle of the Klitschkos, when ESB writes article after article in support of them. They are probably the most pro Klitschko boxing website on the internet. Wise up.

The thing is that this is how most boxing experts feel, no matter what they say. The Klits aren't that good, they have very little skill, and the only assets that they do have are that their big and they can punch. The klit fans say its the European style, its not that, its the lack of style and skill.

Any true boxing fans can see the Klits aren't that talented,if you can't see that your blind and don't know boxing.

You aren't that bright are you?.

Well I may not be that bright but I know boxing and I know what a good boxer looks like, you and the other Klits fans obviously don't. So who is calling who not bright. Look who your favorite fighter is, a gutless, chinless, pansy ,and you claim that he can do no wrong.

Your the one who needs to wise up either that or just stop posting because your lack of boxing knowledge is clear as day.

The thing is that this is how most boxing experts feel, no matter what they say. The Klits aren't that good, they have very little skill, and the only assets that they do have are that their big and they can punch. The klit fans say its the European style, its not that, its the lack of style and skill.

Any true boxing fans can see the Klits aren't that talented,if you can't see that your blind and don't know boxing.

If it was the lack of style and skill they wouldn't be outboxing everyone they face. Most experts picked Lewis to KO Vitali in 1. The American experts obviously aren't big on any European fighter. So much so that they hardly ever televised Povetkin. Asking American boxing experts to give a fair analysis of the Klitschko's is like asking the Michael Moore to give a fair analysis of Bush.

Byrd is finished? Byrd is the IBF heavyweight champion of the world. He lost to Oquendo by two points on my card and beat Golota by 2 points aloso on my card. Go back and watch both fights again, he wasn't owned in either fight they were close tough fights.

Again the Wlad fans logic just doesn't make sense. Another case of bitter Wlad fans angry that the small Chris Byrd has become a legit world champion while their guy the "heir" to the HW thrown has been exposed by nobodies.


....Christ, I would respect you alot more if you would just come out and say you hate Wlad because he beat Byrd to a pulp. Byrd has become easier to hit lately, his quickness is becoming less of a factor, and he has struggled in his last two fights. Looks to me like he may very well be losing it and thinking of retiring should be a legitimate question. If he had lost those two fights like he should have then people would definitely be calling for him to get out of the game. It's a shame he is fighting a skilless guy like McCline in his next fight.

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the Klitschko brothers,
http://www.comrat.iatp.md/box/Pictures/klitschko%20fan2.jpg (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great%20white%20hope)
can't hold Chris Byrds
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.....I'm sure the Klits don't want to hold Byrd's jock but they were more than happy to beat him right out of it when they met him in the ring.

.....I'm sure the Klits don't want to hold Byrd's jock but they were more than happy to beat him right out of it when they met him in the ring.


That or...you know QUIT

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the Klitschko brothers,
http://www.comrat.iatp.md/box/Pictures/klitschko%20fan2.jpg (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great%20white%20hope)
can't hold Chris Byrds
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they cant hold byrd's jock strap? i didnt see the Vitali/byrd fight, all i know is Vitali lost the fight, i did see Byrd catch a severe, dont spill kool aid on my carpet again ass beating by Wlad though.

....Christ, I would respect you alot more if you would just come out and say you hate Wlad because he beat Byrd to a pulp.

Like I said I don't hate anybody and I have no beef with Wlad beating Chris, cause thats what he did, he beat him up bad. However that was a different Wlad back then, one thats chin hadn't been exposed yet or his confidence shot.The Wlad now is a heartless, chinless, fighter who is afraid to get hit or pull the trigger.

The reasons I don't really like either Klit is primarily because their skills are horrible and their fans think their gods. Fanatic fans who think that there greatest fighters ever and fighters with extremely limited ability. Thats why I don't like the Klits.

By the way your respect level for me means absolutely nothing to me.So hate me all you want because I really don't care.

Like I said I don't hate anybody and I have no beef with Wlad beating Chris, cause thats what he did, he beat him up bad. However that was a different Wlad back then, one thats chin hadn't been exposed yet or his confidence shot.The Wlad now is a heartless, chinless, fighter who is afraid to get hit or pull the trigger.

The reasons I don't really like either Klit is primarily because their skills are horrible and their fans think their gods. Fanatic fans who think that there greatest fighters ever and fighters with extremely limited ability. Thats why I don't like the Klits.

By the way your respect level for me means absolutely nothing to me.So hate me all you want because I really don't care.


....The jury is still out on Wlad. You may turn out to be right and you may turn out to be wrong. To say that Vitali's skills are terrible makes you look like a fool. Once again, Vitali has outboxed every fighter he has ever met(not outpunched necesarily). He has never been behind on any scorecard after the 4th round of any fight. How can a guy with no skill accomplish that?? You never answer that question when I pose it to you. I think your dislike is based on the whippings that Byrd got and the fact that the Klits are pale complected. And oh yeah, your last comment is gonna make me cry myself to sleep tonight. ;)

I think Wlad should stay in it, he is very talented, but has been exposed as quite weak willed and weak chined as of late, there is no way to fix the chin problem, he is stuck with that, but he has to be more evasive, move like chris byrd, get some confidence back, and get out there and whoop some ass.

Lewis had a weaker chin that other HW's he beat, but he beat them on confidence and skill, something which Wlad needs, he has the skill, but needs the confidence.

Lewis beat TUA, MERCER, MCALL, TYSON, HOLYFIELD, all guys who supposedly have a stronger chin than him.

So if he can do it why can't wlad show us what he had earlier on in his career, one thing's for sure, what he lacks in chin his big bro makes up for.

That or...you know QUIT

You are the one who says you like Vitali and not Wlad. Way to support your fighter.

Like I said I don't hate anybody and I have no beef with Wlad beating Chris, cause thats what he did, he beat him up bad. However that was a different Wlad back then, one thats chin hadn't been exposed yet or his confidence shot.The Wlad now is a heartless, chinless, fighter who is afraid to get hit or pull the trigger.

The reasons I don't really like either Klit is primarily because their skills are horrible and their fans think their gods. Fanatic fans who think that there greatest fighters ever and fighters with extremely limited ability. Thats why I don't like the Klits.

By the way your respect level for me means absolutely nothing to me.So hate me all you want because I really don't care.

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even the pope...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

ofcourse he should retire
if not for losing to Wlad
then for his last 2 fights
hes gotten lucky and he should leave b4 he gets hurt which he will
he should also leave becuz hes already damaged boxing fans so much
hes caused countless fans to slip into unwakeable commas
please Byrd leave
leave now

No way Byrd should retire. he is like the best dancer I have ever seen. I mean all these kids in dance studio would be crying without his dancing lessons. :D But stop picking on byrd. He is a good guy and deserves the credit. But i just dont like CIta :mad:

NO!!! Byrd should wait till he rematches Golota before he retires so Golota can get the justice he deserves by beating Byrd's ass again!!! ;)

Wlad doesn't need to retire as much as his fans do....

or some of the klit haters, who are just as illrational as the klit nutlickers

or some of the klit haters, who are just as illrational as the klit nutlickers



Guru.....


Define a "Wlad Klit hater"..

Is it someone who looks at his three horrendous losses & believe they show he's limited ?
That ain't hatin', that's logic.

no, not you jabs..... the "haters" are the guys that won't admit wlad is athletic, quick and has a good offense or that VK can take a punch and is a decent boxer himself.... they think both klits are slow, lumbering giants with no skill.... haters are just as bad as nutlickers, in regards to being objective....

Byrdy's not retiring until he rematches and beats vitali!

Look, Byrd has no excuse for even being touched by someone that much heavier and slower than he is. That being said, I think he is an excellent pure boxer who just isn't appreciated by modern boxing fans who want a knockout in every fight. I think the fact that he has become easier to hit in recent fights is linked directly to his constantly being criticized for not fighting his opponents. As for Wlad, I will say this once again, many of you are still posting as if everyone thinks that Vitali and Wlad are the next coming of Christ. I don't see any posts of that nature, and when I mention it in my posts, no one ever replies. I saw someone post that Lewis never got Sanderized like Wlad did. That's because both of his KO losses were one-punch affairs where he could barely stand, much less get up and fight. Make no mistake, Sanders would have had a field day with Lewis. My point is this, you guys keep on saying that pretty much anyone who likes the Klits are blind, know-nothings who are terribly biased in their opinions, and yet the Klit haters seem to always come up with wonderful one-lined posts that basically consist of "just face it, your guy is done, Klit lover". Where is the logic in that? I'll end this post now, since no one is going to discuss it logically with me anyway. Later

Man, this post is about Byrd retiring not Wlad retiring. I could understand your point and scrolling down the different forums of different websites I noticed that basically all the hate posts are alike that sum up to " I hate him! He is just a big *****". I also noticed that not that many fans ever stepped into the ring and fought because the appriciation level of boxers that even lost, unless it's your favorite boxer, is very low. :( :mad:
So unless fighter calls it quits nobody should tell him to.(besides doctor and family members)

Oh yeah, and Byrd's a great fighter and all, but if he waits until he beats Vitaly, he'll be fighting an awfully long time. I only posted the stuff about Wlad because the guy that started the post said that based on logic some have used to determine that Wlad should retire, Byrd should retire as well. I personally don't think either of them are washed up.