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Thats a pretty bold statement considering they can make 20 million dollars at the gate. Over 2 million ppv buyers at $54.95 and paying one fighter 20-30 million and the other 45-60 in one night...The economics hardly make it dead.


Both sports can coexist I dont know why fans from both sides of the table cant or wont accept that.

The fact is this whether it be in a cage or in the ring people want to see exciting fights. They get that in the UFC they dont get that very much in boxing because of the commissions taking proper safety standards. The UFC built an awesome little brand for themselves and I hope they succeed their key to success IMO is they keep it (or try to) short and sweet...Not an hour long like a boxing match. Eventually the UFC is going to get cracked down on along with other MMA organizations and they will have a stricter guidelines of rules and regulations that is going to make it less exciting.

The biggest downfall I see for the UFC is that they are building a brand and rightfully so, boxing doesnt have that but if it did it would be more successful. UFC is all about branding and they focus on the young guys. But eventually all of these big huge MMA fighters who feel (and many do now) that they have eclipsed boxing are going to demand boxing pay days...UFC cant pay the Liddels and Coutoures just million dollar paychecks...Eventually more is going to be expected especially when the sport gets even bigger...In the long run the same **** will happen to MMA that happened to boxing...GREED!


Take UFC away from America and the sport wouldnt even be close to boxing in terms of popularity stateside...Also a downfall of theirs.

Boxing needs to have a centralized marketing department in my opinion. They also need to get rid of all of these belts. There are too many 'championship belts' up for grabs. Make one belt for one true champion and have them all fight for it round robin style!

Boxing needs to have a centralized marketing department in my opinion. They also need to get rid of all of these belts. There are too many 'championship belts' up for grabs. Make one belt for one true champion and have them all fight for it round robin style!

Yes but it will never happen which is what hurts boxing. Eventually though the same is going to happen to the UFC and their fighters...You cant sell out the same arenas boxing shows go on and have better attendance records but pay the fighters half or less than what they get paid. The same thing that hurt boxing will hurt UFC..Its only a matter of time, although boxing could go back on the upswing if they did have a brand or just one set of champions. But that isnt ever going to happen so what the media needs to do is just start recognizing one organization whether its fare or not and get these guys exposure you know?

It's also unfair to compare boxing to MMA also. It's like comparing apples to oranges. :spam:

It's also unfair to compare boxing to MMA also. It's like comparing apples to oranges. :spam:

Indeed it is one is a striking sport the other is grappling for the most part AT HEART. MMA is a mixture of fighting styles boxing is just one. I wholeheartedly agree that you shouldn't compare them. Thats why I dont bash either one. Boxing has its snoozers and exciting fights as does MMA. I just want to see GREAT FIGHTS! Its really a shame not to be a fan of both because you both lose that way. I love them both just because I love the sport of fighting. Both can co-exist I don't see why one has to bash the other...

You know if someone would get smart they would co promote a mixed boxing/mma card. Best of both worlds and attract new people to both sports...Imagine an MMA/Boxing card with huge names from both sports competing...Why shouldnt it be done? It would probably do huge numbers at the gate.

Boxing has its snoozers and exciting fights as does MMA .


Boxing has been around longer and there has been way more exciting fights in UFC or Pride, IFL etc. I just cant get into a hour long snooze fest like a boxing match, I've never liked watching boxing and thanks to Dana White for making what UFC is today and he will do the same with Pride.

Boxing has been around longer and there has been way more exciting fights in UFC or Pride, IFL etc. I just cant get into a hour long snooze fest like a boxing match, I've never liked watching boxing and thanks to Dana White for making what UFC is today and he will do the same with Pride.


I get your point and said it in the first post I made in this thread that both are boring but with boxing you got hour long boring fights as opposed 25 minute in the UFC....I also mentioned UFC keep it short and sweet which is key to their success...Which is true.

I cant get into any other MMA organization other than UFC I have tried and its just not exciting to me...Boxing actually has a lot of great thrillers its just that they go unrecognized and nobody is watching...Which is a shame...

In due time the UFC will suffer the same route boxing went into because of greed and probably the bouts going the distance more due to safety standards (its already safer now than it was but their will always be people complaining so it will get cracked down on again) and in the even that it happens I think the UFC should alter their rules and skim the rounds minutes or amount of rounds per fight if that ever happens to keep it exciting.

Boxing really does need 15 rounds again but im not sure many are willing to tough it out for 1.5 hours but it would make or break a lot of fighters and the end result would be a lot more entertaining..But to long to wait which is why UFC is exciting...But CHRIST have I seen some real bores in UFC *cough any Sylvia fight cough*...But for the most part they are exciting just as boxing is...

In UFC though I love to see the brawls and the knockout drag out action but in boxing I enjoy the tactical side more than the brawling though...

Is it safe to say that the sport of boxing paved the way for MMA to be accepted in Society?

I get your point and said it in the first post I made in this thread that both are boring but with boxing you got hour long boring fights as opposed 25 minute in the UFC....I also mentioned UFC keep it short and sweet which is key to their success...Which is true.

I cant get into any other MMA organization other than UFC I have tried and its just not exciting to me...Boxing actually has a lot of great thrillers its just that they go unrecognized and nobody is watching...Which is a shame...

In due time the UFC will suffer the same route boxing went into because of greed and probably the bouts going the distance more due to safety standards (its already safer now than it was but their will always be people complaining so it will get cracked down on again) and in the even that it happens I think the UFC should alter their rules and skim the rounds minutes or amount of rounds per fight if that ever happens to keep it exciting.

Boxing really does need 15 rounds again but im not sure many are willing to tough it out for 1.5 hours but it would make or break a lot of fighters and the end result would be a lot more entertaining..But to long to wait which is why UFC is exciting...But CHRIST have I seen some real bores in UFC *cough any Sylvia fight cough*...But for the most part they are exciting just as boxing is...

In UFC though I love to see the brawls and the knockout drag out action but in boxing I enjoy the tactical side more than the brawling though...

Yes I have to agree with you on some parts.
I also tried watching Pride's last 2 PPV's and it was a complete bore and I feel like I can only watch a ufc ppv cause I would get my money's worth.

But yes you are right about some PPV's like umm take a look at UFC 72:peeright: Im not sure I will watch that one.

And last thing I would agree on is how Boring that **** pants Timmy's fights are, he was exciting once in his career but that is when he didnt have the belt and protected it with a boring jabfest. Now he should be able to do what he used to with really not much to lose.

In UFC the crowd is energetic, booze plays a lil part:beerchug: haha but the seats are full all night.

In the boxing ppv I've watched with Mayweather and De La Hoya it was the most boring 3 hours of my life, and to top it off the main event wasnt that entertaining either. This is why I dont watch boxing and thank Dana and every fighter and everyone else that is involved for making what mma is today.

UFC "MIGHT" have a SLIGHT downfall but that wont happen for a long time, Joe Silva is doing a terrific job putting fights together for the fans and its one of the reasons why UFC is so popular.

Anything else I might have missed **** it. Peace

Yes I have to agree with you on some parts.
I also tried watching Pride's last 2 PPV's and it was a complete bore and I feel like I can only watch a ufc ppv cause I would get my money's worth.

But yes you are right about some PPV's like umm take a look at UFC 72:peeright: Im not sure I will watch that one.

And last thing I would agree on is how Boring that **** pants Timmy's fights are, he was exciting once in his career but that is when he didnt have the belt and protected it with a boring jabfest. Now he should be able to do what he used to with really not much to lose.

In UFC the crowd is energetic, booze plays a lil part:beerchug: haha but the seats are full all night.

In the boxing ppv I've watched with Mayweather and De La Hoya it was the most boring 3 hours of my life, and to top it off the main event wasnt that entertaining either. This is why I dont watch boxing and thank Dana and every fighter and everyone else that is involved for making what mma is today.

UFC "MIGHT" have a SLIGHT downfall but that wont happen for a long time, Joe Silva is doing a terrific job putting fights together for the fans and its one of the reasons why UFC is so popular.

Anything else I might have missed **** it. Peace


Sylvia is a disease for the sport of MMA thank god Couture whipped that ass..I was in attendance that night and it almost made me shed a tear of happiness..haha...

The DLH-Mayweather PPV and fight was just bad in general for boxing from the start...I knew it would make the sport look bad. The undercard sucked because they didnt want to take away from the main attraction and to cover the main events purses...UFC doesnt have to do this because they sell their brand along with their PPV and they dont pay expensive purses even to their top fighters...Besides anyone who thought DLH/Mayweather would be exciting from a general public view was blinded and knew nothing about the sport..Unfortunately thats bad because the promoters banked off of knowing "Hey we will make these guys look larger to life to joe schmo and he thinks he will be getting a great fight because of these 2 great fighters"...Its a shame really, but hey thats promoting....

Eventually though the UFC/MMA guys are going to get sick of the 4-6 figure paydays and seek out larger ones.

You want to see a nice stacked boxing card actually worth your PPV dollars...Order or buy tickets to Cotto vs Judah...I think every fight lined up that night A all the way! Now thats a real boxing card and its selling like squat...Go figure....

On a side note, boxing today is more viewed as a rich mans sport as opposed to being blue collar back in the day...MMA filled that void boxing by offering a cheaper and more exciting alternative...But eventually the same thing that killed boxing has to catch up with UFC...

Back in the day you could see Joe Louis for 5 bucks...Last year you could see Miguel Cotto in Madison Square Garden for $4.50...We need to see more prices like that instead of thousand dollar tickets than we might put more asses in the seats and generate more interest...Boxing is a sport that is to damn greedy, MMA fighters seem to do it for the love of the sport which is what boxers have forgotten and in the end the fans pay for it...They will to someday.

Sylvia is a disease for the sport of MMA thank god Couture whipped that ass..I was in attendance that night and it almost made me shed a tear of happiness..haha...

The DLH-Mayweather PPV and fight was just bad in general for boxing from the start...I knew it would make the sport look bad. The undercard sucked because they didnt want to take away from the main attraction and to cover the main events purses...UFC doesnt have to do this because they sell their brand along with their PPV and they dont pay expensive purses even to their top fighters...Besides anyone who thought DLH/Mayweather would be exciting from a general public view was blinded and knew nothing about the sport..Unfortunately thats bad because the promoters banked off of knowing "Hey we will make these guys look larger to life to joe schmo and he thinks he will be getting a great fight because of these 2 great fighters"...Its a shame really, but hey thats promoting....

Eventually though the UFC/MMA guys are going to get sick of the 4-6 figure paydays and seek out larger ones.

You want to see a nice stacked boxing card actually worth your PPV dollars...Order or buy tickets to Cotto vs Judah...I think every fight lined up that night A all the way! Now thats a real boxing card and its selling like squat...Go figure....

On a side note, boxing today is more viewed as a rich mans sport as opposed to being blue collar back in the day...MMA filled that void boxing by offering a cheaper and more exciting alternative...But eventually the same thing that killed boxing has to catch up with UFC...

Back in the day you could see Joe Louis for 5 bucks...Last year you could see Miguel Cotto in Madison Square Garden for $4.50...We need to see more prices like that instead of thousand dollar tickets than we might put more asses in the seats and generate more interest...Boxing is a sport that is to damn greedy, MMA fighters seem to do it for the love of the sport which is what boxers have forgotten and in the end the fans pay for it...They will to someday.

well said man, lets leave it at that.

Is it safe to say that the sport of boxing paved the way for MMA to be accepted in Society?

Not really...I mean its 2 different sports and attracts different people. Take UFC out of the public eye and MMA is worst off than boxing. Take nothing away from UFC they built a nice promotional brand for themselves on their own after years of hard work. Their finest hour is when they landed a television deal in a primetime spot on a solid network...All thanks to UFC none to boxing to catapult them into the spotlight.

go back to what i said about the ufc 72 fight card...not that impressive...
I mean f'n rory singer made the main fight card haha.

Here is the full fight card for UFC 72: Victory on June 16 in Belfast, Northern Ireland:

Main PPV fights:

Rich Franklin vs. Yushin Okami
Jason MacDonald* vs. Rory Singer
Hector Ramirez vs. Forrest Griffin
Clay Guida vs. Tyson Griffin

Preliminary fights:

Tom Murphy vs. Jake O'Brien
Scott Smith vs. Ed Herman
Eddie Sanchez vs. Colin Robinson
Dustin Hazelett vs. Stevie Lynch
Marcus Davis vs. Jason Tan

Eventually though the UFC/MMA guys are going to get sick of the 4-6 figure paydays and seek out larger ones.


And here is the 1st guy that wants more money, Chris Leban that *****.

here is his interview.


The following is an excerpt from a recent interview with Chris Leben from an MMA website: ?I hate to say it, but I?m counting the days on my contract ? because then I?m going to be able to cash in with this contract because I signed a contract on the show [The Ultimate Fighter]. I just got a raise. I?m up to like $10,000 and $10,000 now after like 8 fights in the UFC. There?s going to be people that want to pay me a lot more money and hopefully the UFC will realize how great I?ve been for them and step up to the plate. And if they do, I?ll stay with the UFC, obviously. But if they don?t, I?ll go fight in ICON Sport and make some money and bring some attention to that show.?

And here is the 1st guy that wants more money, Chris Leban that *****.

here is his interview.


The following is an excerpt from a recent interview with Chris Leben from an MMA website: ?I hate to say it, but I?m counting the days on my contract ? because then I?m going to be able to cash in with this contract because I signed a contract on the show [The Ultimate Fighter]. I just got a raise. I?m up to like $10,000 and $10,000 now after like 8 fights in the UFC. There?s going to be people that want to pay me a lot more money and hopefully the UFC will realize how great I?ve been for them and step up to the plate. And if they do, I?ll stay with the UFC, obviously. But if they don?t, I?ll go fight in ICON Sport and make some money and bring some attention to that show.?


I heard about that...You see where this will eventually lead?

The UFC fight I attended Couture vs Sylvia look at these paydays.

Randy Couture ($250,000) def. Tim Sylvia ($100,000)
-Matt Hughes ($150,000) def. Chris Lytle ($10,000)
-Rich Franklin ($42,000) def. Jason MacDonald ($14,000)
-Jon Fitch ($28,000) def. Luigi Fioravanti ($8,000)
-Jason Lambert ($18,000) def. Renato "Babalu" Sobral ($21,000)
-Martin Kampmann ($20,000) def. Drew McFedries ($5,000)
-Matt Hamill ($10,000) def. Rex Holman ($3,000)
-Gleison Tibau ($6,000) def. Jason Dent ($3,000)
-Jamie Varner ($6,000) def. Jason Gilliam ($3,000)

Hardly the amount boxers get paid on PPV cards...Eventually these guys are going to scream for the mega bucks and rightfully so considering they are doing much more business than boxing..In terms of merchandise/live gate attendance/ppv....

I know I will probably get flack for this but UFC's method of doing business is similar to the pro wrestling industry..Everyone knows WWE is where you want to eventually go because of the star status just like UFC is the top MMA dog...But bigger bucks can be made fighting over in Japan for smaller organizations...But the UFC just crippled a lot of hopes of going elsewhere after their buyout of PRIDE...Which wasnt really that strong of competition stateside...Japan is where the bucks are for MMA but less spotlight and recognition...But who cares when you are getting paid.

yes paydays are not as good as boxing, but mma to me and more people around the world is a better sport. Boxers get paid more but aint half as exciting as UFC fighters. Pride had a decent payday for thier fighters.
Lets just hope the fighters dont get too greedy. If I were in the UFC I wouldnt really care how much I would make, 10,000 to 250.000 is enough and plus I would just love to fight in such a well known company such as UFC, its every fighters dream to fight in such a organization.

yes paydays are not as good as boxing, but mma to me and more people around the world is a better sport. Boxers get paid more but aint half as exciting as UFC fighters. Pride had a decent payday for thier fighters.
Lets just hope the fighters dont get too greedy. If I were in the UFC I wouldnt really care how much I would make, 10,000 to 250.000 is enough and plus I would just love to fight in such a well known company such as UFC, its every fighters dream to fight in such a organization.

Not Lebens lol....

The upside to the incredibly low UFC paydays is that they dont have to pay any sanctioning/promoter fees unlike boxers but trainers/cutmen/corner and all that crap still is taken out...When you are the fight behind the main event and only making 10k that HAS to put a hurt on you...

I respect both sports through and through but economic wise it just doesnt seem right for MMA fighters despite the large popularity or belief that is more popular...In due time, like I said though I hope boxing/UFC succeed as a whole and would really hate to see either of them go down the toilet. I enjoy both and its a shame their has to be a battle between the two because of the different type of combat they are...But they are both A-OK in my book and enjoy them both...

...But they are both A-OK in my book and enjoy them both...

Wish I can say the same for boxing.
But ima be honest and say I dont like it and its boring.

Wish I can say the same for boxing.
But ima be honest and say I dont like it and its boring.


Nothing wrong with that...I dont like NHL/Baseball is it dead or dying because I dont like it? Noway!...I enjoy both I dont enjoy grappling and I dont enjoy 2 guys staring at each other from a distance either...Each sport has their perks, everything isnt going to please everybody and why should it? You like MMA thats cool with me it has no direct effect on me...Im just a fan of combat sports whether it be boxing or mma, so their is always something on or to talk about. :)

If this was a possibility how long u say it would take for boxing to die out?
I know it wont thats why if it was possible.
Lets say a sport can only survive with ratings, I say boxing would go 1st.