After reading the same people come up with reasons to hate Vitali Klitschko over and over, I was wondering what he would have to do to earn your respect?

I don't care what you think he should have done in the past, I've already read all that. I'm wondering what he has to do now for you to approve?

After reading the same people come up with reasons to hate Vitali Klitschko over and over, I was wondering what he would have to do to earn your respect?

I don't care what you think he should have done in the past, I've already read all that. I'm wondering what he has to do now for you to approve?

i give the man respect. ive said this before too, its not vitali's fault that the HW division is so shallow. I see him beating every heavyweight contender.

Many people seem to hate the Klits more because of their fanatical fan base. I have seen some really disturbing Klitschko bashing on other forums because the fans are somewhat irrational about their support. It may have something to do with "great white hope" syndrom. Personally I think Vitali is a good champ right now, a rematch with Byrd would answer a lot of questions. After that I would love to see Vitali/Toney, its so ridiculous its intreuging :D

Many people seem to hate the Klits more because of their fanatical fan base. I have seen some really disturbing Klitschko bashing on other forums because the fans are somewhat irrational about their support. It may have something to do with "great white hope" syndrom. Personally I think Vitali is a good champ right now, a rematch with Byrd would answer a lot of questions. After that I would love to see Vitali/Toney, its so ridiculous its intreuging :D

I guess the same can be said about Toney too, oh wait Toney is a fanatic just like his fans.

I don't think Toney's fans (the ones I've encountered) are fanatics. I'm one of his biggest fans as he's from my hometown, he is one talented mother****er, and he is actually a pretty nice guy outside of that whole **** talking front he puts on (at least he was nice to me). Klit fans seem to have given Vitali the invincible label. When I consider a bout between Toney and Vit, I know that Vit could very well beat Toney with his strength and size advantages just like Toney could pull out the win against Vitali based on his experience and pure boxing skills. A lot of Klit fans I see write off many of his fights saying, "Vitali will destroy him in 6 rounds." I dunno...maybe I'm wrong, but that's just what I've gotten out of it. I like Vitali and think he's one of boxings good guys, but it's his fans who hurt others opinions of him.

he fought 3 fat guys when he fights somebody in shape and ready to fight. he will get my respect if he beats williams convincingly.. willaims, a man ,38 year old tyson damn near knocked out if is wasnt for his knee

People dont hate the Klitchsko brothers. People hate there fans because there almost unbearable to talk to. Klit fans seem to think that saying anything other than each one of the the brothers is an all time great is hating and they just turn there backs on reality.

Im actually a fan of Vitali's and have said it on this forum before. I believe he will be good for the division for a couple of reasons.

1. He's White
2. He's Huge
3. He makes exciting Fights.
4. He's well Spoken and Mannered.

and all that is GOLD in the world of Boxing.

Vitali still has a ways to go to become a complete fighter. I respect his boxing ability, but for me the jury's still out on his defense, footwork and his killer instinct.

I don't think Toney's fans (the ones I've encountered) are fanatics. I'm one of his biggest fans as he's from my hometown, he is one talented mother****er, and he is actually a pretty nice guy outside of that whole **** talking front he puts on (at least he was nice to me). Klit fans seem to have given Vitali the invincible label. When I consider a bout between Toney and Vit, I know that Vit could very well beat Toney with his strength and size advantages just like Toney could pull out the win against Vitali based on his experience and pure boxing skills. A lot of Klit fans I see write off many of his fights saying, "Vitali will destroy him in 6 rounds." I dunno...maybe I'm wrong, but that's just what I've gotten out of it. I like Vitali and think he's one of boxings good guys, but it's his fans who hurt others opinions of him.

This assesment is spot on. I think Toney fans really enjoy the vintage boxing skills that JT displays. Further, he has lost fights already so there is no expection of invincibility. He is just a great fighter to watch practice his craft. His sh*t talk is a little over the top sometimes but it makes him more exciting. I would like to repeat that I like the Klitchkos I just wish the fans would chill a little.

The biggest draw on Vitali is quitting the Byrd fight, when he was clearly winning. The Rabid Fans all say he saved his career, but I've seen fighters fight through worse and still have careers.
After that, there's the level of competition available for him to fight. Without any greats left to measure him against, it's going to be hard to consider him an all time great, no matter how long he holds the belt.
If he had come about 10 years ago, we could get a better measure of the man.

This assesment is spot on. I think Toney fans really enjoy the vintage boxing skills that JT displays. Further, he has lost fights already so there is no expection of invincibility. He is just a great fighter to watch practice his craft. His sh*t talk is a little over the top sometimes but it makes him more exciting. I would like to repeat that I like the Klitchkos I just wish the fans would chill a little.

I recognize you from ESB, so I know that you know who the posters LightsOut and LightsOutRueben are. They are total fanatics.

He has my respect as a fighter.

He can earn my respect as a champion by unifying the title with with the winner of Ruiz vs Golota.

He is a nice guy but winning a belt by beating a semi-retired, overweight golfer doesnt make him a champ in my opinion.

If he defeats Williams he needs to fight Chris Byrd afterwards because the only way he will get any type of respect from some boxing fans would be to defeat Byrd and defeat him soundly.

I don't hate Vitali, I don't hate anyone, but some of his and his brother fans are just unbelievably fanatical, like jose said you can't carry on a normal conversation with them.

Vitali has my respect as a fighter, I just don't think he should be considered great yet. The real problem isn't Vitali, it's Wlad and the blind support he gets from many fans. Alot of the fanatical fans are unreasonable and make too many excuses for their guy. I respect the fact that the Brothers have such a huge and loyal fan base, I just wish it was easier to have a conversation with them. By the way, I hate the term "hater". Sounds like gradeschool lingo. If one thinks Vitali or any fighter has issues, that doesn't always mean they are hating..it could be reality.

Alot of times, the Brothers take more heat than they deserve becuase the fans are so unreasonable. (not all, some)


ps- Torino, I can feel one of your "to fit your own agenda" routines coming :cool:

So it looks like most of the haters hat Klit brothers not for what they are but for their fans.
Quiet interesting and very sad :(

Or because many of their fans disagree with the haters about Wlad being a glass chinned, no confidence loser like they see him. And if you disagree and offer up evidence as to why you disagree, they come back and say that the Klitschko fans are unbearable to talk to. Its really quite sad.

Or because many of their fans disagree with the haters about Wlad being a glass chinned, no confidence loser like they see him. And if you disagree and offer up evidence as to why you disagree, they come back and say that the Klitschko fans are unbearable to talk to. Its really quite sad.

No its really quite the truth.

Wlad fans offer no REASON as to why there fighter is still a player in the division its all Uh...Uh...Uh Cause I say so type stuff.

how many guys have you had come on this thread and say they cant talk to Wlad fans?

This coming from the guy who doesn't think that Wlad has changed his style after he took on Manny as his trainer. Why does Wlad have such a weak chin? He has had one loss where his chin was the deciding factor, and it was against one of the hardest hitting southpaws ever. Yes Wlad didn't look as good people were expecting him to look against TOS. Its hard to look good against someone who fights a defensive fight against you, but he did outland TOS 3-1. Just look at how Wlad looked against Shufford.

Or because many of their fans disagree with the haters about Wlad being a glass chinned, no confidence loser like they see him. And if you disagree and offer up evidence as to why you disagree, they come back and say that the Klitschko fans are unbearable to talk to. Its really quite sad.
I have seen no "evidence" offered as to why Wlad lost to 2 fighters he should have beaten easily if he's all the Klit fans say he is.
All I've heard is crap about drugging, vaseline, lack of humidifiers, Emmanuel Steward, etc. Always some excuse.

My favorite was the Klingons. At least that one was believable.

Vitali has a chance at greatness. All he needs to to beat Chris Byrd convincingly and have some real competition materialize out of nowhere. I think the best fights he can make right now are against Golota, a legitimate threat if he doesn't crack up in the ring, Toney, a fan favorite and Jameel McLine, if for no other reason than to show he can beat up big guys, too.

Wlad has a chance, too. I only count him out in the meantime. I think it will be a long, hard road for him to recover, and I stick by my idea that he needs to drop 15 lbs or so to help him with his endurance and balance. He just doesn't have the frame to carry 245 lbs gracefully.

Why does Wlad have such a weak chin? He has had one loss where his chin was the deciding factor, and it was against one of the hardest hitting southpaws ever.
Wlad was crawling back towards his corner after Lamon Brewster cold****ed his ass not because of his chin but because ________________.

(please fill in the blank)

I have seen no "evidence" offered as to why Wlad lost to 2 fighters he should have beaten easily if he's all the Klit fans say he is.
All I've heard is crap about drugging, vaseline, lack of humidifiers, Emmanuel Steward, etc. Always some excuse.

My favorite was the Klingons. At least that one was believable.

Vitali has a chance at greatness. All he needs to to beat Chris Byrd convincingly and have some real competition materialize out of nowhere. I think the best fights he can make right now are against Golota, a legitimate threat if he doesn't crack up in the ring, Toney, a fan favorite and Jameel McLine, if for no other reason than to show he can beat up big guys, too.

Wlad has a chance, too. I only count him out in the meantime. I think it will be a long, hard road for him to recover, and I stick by my idea that he needs to drop 15 lbs or so to help him with his endurance and balance. He just doesn't have the frame to carry 245 lbs gracefully.

I've already given my opinion as to why he lost those fights numerous times here. I imagine that you can find them somewhere.

Wlad was crawling back towards his corner after Lamon Brewster cold****ed his ass not because of his chin but because ________________.

(please fill in the blank)

Exaustion and getting hit with an illegal rabbit punch after the round was over. He was hit with some pretty good shots and if his chin is so weak shouldn't he have gone down during the round?

He was already on his way down when the rabbit punch came. He was flinging his arms at the bell, too, so none of the crap. Hitting during the ringing of the bell happens all the time in boxing, therefore the caution, "protect yourself at all times". It wasn't a blatant foul, just incidental.

And if he's all the fanbase makes him, he shouldn't have been that tired that early in a world championship fight. There are no excuses for being that badly out of shape if you're fighting for a world title.

He was already on his way down when the rabbit punch came. He was flinging his arms at the bell, too, so none of the crap. Hitting during the ringing of the bell happens all the time in boxing, therefore the caution, "protect yourself at all times". It wasn't a blatant foul, just incidental.

And if he's all the fanbase makes him, he shouldn't have been that tired that early in a world championship fight. There are no excuses for being that badly out of shape if you're fighting for a world title.

Who ever said it was a blatant foul? Blatant or not is it legal to hit after the bell?

He was throwing 70 punches per round, and he was using Manny's style for the first time, which requires more footwork, so he would tire out more quickly than usual.

so manny is to blame? did manny just show up the day before the fight and say, "fight like this!", ow was manny part of the camp for the entire training session?

I have seen no "evidence" offered as to why Wlad lost to 2 fighters he should have beaten easily if he's all the Klit fans say he is.
All I've heard is crap about drugging, vaseline, lack of humidifiers, Emmanuel Steward, etc. Always some excuse.

My favorite was the Klingons. At least that one was believable.

Vitali has a chance at greatness. All he needs to to beat Chris Byrd convincingly and have some real competition materialize out of nowhere. I think the best fights he can make right now are against Golota, a legitimate threat if he doesn't crack up in the ring, Toney, a fan favorite and Jameel McLine, if for no other reason than to show he can beat up big guys, too.

Wlad has a chance, too. I only count him out in the meantime. I think it will be a long, hard road for him to recover, and I stick by my idea that he needs to drop 15 lbs or so to help him with his endurance and balance. He just doesn't have the frame to carry 245 lbs gracefully.

Dont forget Wlad was also been TKO'ed by the great Ross Purity

so manny is to blame? did manny just show up the day before the fight and say, "fight like this!", ow was manny part of the camp for the entire training session?

Who is saying Manny is to blame? Its as much Manny's fault as it is Wladimir's. No he didn't show up the day before the fight. Lewis retired on Feb. 6 and Wlad fought Brewster on May 10. Even if Manny started training Wlad the day that Lewis retired which he didn't, that's a short amount of time to learn a new style and execute it perfectly.

Dont forget Wlad was also been TKO'ed by the great Ross Purity

Did you see the fight? My bad that is an obvious no. Purrity was rocking Wlad late in the fight, and Wlad didn't go down from a punch, and his corner stopped the fight.

Dont forget Wlad was also been TKO'ed by the great Ross Purity
I'll give him that one, though. It was early enough in his career, and he had never faced as durable an opponent prior to Purity.
I would have thought, though, that someone claiming to be a doctor of sports science (wtf?) wouldn't have thought the cure for getting exhausted in a hard 12 rd fight at 225 would be to add another 20 lbs of muscle.

Did you see the fight? My bad that is an obvious no. Purrity was rocking Wlad late in the fight, and Wlad didn't go down from a punch, and his corner stopped the fight.


Oh yeah thats something to hang your hat on

Who is saying Manny is to blame? Its as much Manny's fault as it is Wladimir's. No he didn't show up the day before the fight. Lewis retired on Feb. 6 and Wlad fought Brewster on May 10. Even if Manny started training Wlad the day that Lewis retired which he didn't, that's a short amount of time to learn a new style and execute it perfectly.
it was an honest question, not being a smartass.

Wlad just fought a bad fight. He should have realized after the pouding the guy took and stood through for the first 3-1/2 rounds that he wasn't as light as the book said and adjusted. That's what boxers do. When plan A isn't working, go to plan B. I don't think he had a plan B, and couldn't sort it out on his feet.

Vitali still has a ways to go to become a complete fighter. I respect his boxing ability, but for me the jury's still out on his defense, footwork and his killer instinct.

Not sure I understand this one. Killer instinct? The guy has a 95% KO ratio out of his wins. Only one man out of 34 victories ended the fight on his feet. ........... ?????????

vitali has my respect any body who risks thier lives for a living has my respect. i just dont like him but he would get on my good side if he were to fight his brother(just to see if he would knock his own brother out) or a top ten heavy like ruiz or rahman.

Vitali has my respect as a fighter, I just don't think he should be considered great yet. The real problem isn't Vitali, it's Wlad and the blind support he gets from many fans. Alot of the fanatical fans are unreasonable and make too many excuses for their guy. I respect the fact that the Brothers have such a huge and loyal fan base, I just wish it was easier to have a conversation with them. By the way, I hate the term "hater". Sounds like gradeschool lingo. If one thinks Vitali or any fighter has issues, that doesn't always mean they are hating..it could be reality.

Alot of times, the Brothers take more heat than they deserve becuase the fans are so unreasonable. (not all, some)


ps- Torino, I can feel one of your "to fit your own agenda" routines coming :cool:

You've earned a pass ......... I've put that on ice for a while.

In regards to Wladimir. I just don't think it's fair to say a guy should retire for getting knocked out when other fighters (Lewis, Tyson, Ali, and many more) get KO'ed and it's just a bump in the road of their careers. Especially if the guy is only 28 and still has his wits about him. It's unreasonable to say he should retire.

Regarding Vitali, I just don't get this one. Every time I watch the Lewis fight, I still see Vitali winning at the stoppage. Yet he gets no respect. All you hear is "Lewis was fat & old " bla bla bla. Just nonsence.
Then there's complaints about his opponents. All fighters try to take the road to the top with the least resistance, then do whatever it takes to stay on top. Thats just good management. Having said that, I also give a lot more credit to Sanders, Johnson, and Vitali's other opponents than other people. Fat and old my ass, These men could kill an average man with one punch.
Vitali has "Rocky Marciano Syndrome", only good because of terrible opponents. BUNCH OF BS! NOW YOU GOT ME GOING! YOU DON'T AGREE ONLY BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T LIKE HIM! IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR GRAND "ILLUSION" OF LEWIS! C'mon ADMIT IT! LEWIS LOVER!

You've earned a pass ......... I've put that on ice for a while.

In regards to Wladimir. I just don't think it's fair to say a guy should retire for getting knocked out when other fighters (Lewis, Tyson, Ali, and many more) get KO'ed and it's just a bump in the road of their careers. Especially if the guy is only 28 and still has his wits about him. It's unreasonable to say he should retire.

Regarding Vitali, I just don't get this one. Every time I watch the Lewis fight, I still see Vitali winning at the stoppage. Yet he gets no respect. All you hear is "Lewis was fat & old " bla bla bla. Just nonsence.
Then there's complaints about his opponents. All fighters try to take the road to the top with the least resistance, then do whatever it takes to stay on top. Thats just good management. Having said that, I also give a lot more credit to Sanders, Johnson, and Vitali's other opponents than other people. Fat and old my ass, These men could kill an average man with one punch.
Vitali has "Rocky Marciano Syndrome", only good because of terrible opponents. BUNCH OF BS! NOW YOU GOT ME GOING! YOU DON'T AGREE ONLY BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T LIKE HIM! IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR GRAND "ILLUSION" OF LEWIS! C'mon ADMIT IT! LEWIS LOVER!

you need to learn it doesn't matter what he was doing up untill he got stopped. This is boxing and all that matters is that he got stopped. 20 years from now when people look back in the record books its not going to say Well Vitali had won 4 of the 6 rounds. Its gonna say Lennox Lewis TKO 6.

Vitali had an old Lewis in fron of him and you know what?...At the end of the day still couldn't get the job done. All your crying about this fight only makes you sound like a petty little school girl.

you need to learn it doesn't matter what he was doing up untill he got stopped. This is boxing and all that matters is that he got stopped. 20 years from now when people look back in the record books its not going to say Well Vitali had won 4 of the 6 rounds. Its gonna say Lennox Lewis TKO 6.

Vitali had an old Lewis in fron of him and you know what?...At the end of the day still couldn't get the job done. All your crying about this fight only makes you sound like a petty little school girl.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Just like when people look back on Vitali's fight with Byrd, there not gonna see Vitali was leading,there gonna see that it was TKO in the tenth with the victory going to Byrd.

Again Klit fans give themselves and their boys a bad name.

LOLOLOL CITA and Jose should hook up. I think you two make a nice couple. Guys can't stand the truth about Byrd and Lewis. LOLOL

LOLOLOL CITA and Jose should hook up. I think you two make a nice couple. Guys can't stand the truth about Byrd and Lewis. LOLOL

Resorting to childish namecalling, Torino, thats typical, you obviously are getting desperate in your argument.Did you read that article on ******** yet?

you need to learn it doesn't matter what he was doing up untill he got stopped. This is boxing and all that matters is that he got stopped. 20 years from now when people look back in the record books its not going to say Well Vitali had won 4 of the 6 rounds. Its gonna say Lennox Lewis TKO 6.

Vitali had an old Lewis in fron of him and you know what?...At the end of the day still couldn't get the job done. All your crying about this fight only makes you sound like a petty little school girl.

Maybe i saw a different fight. He couldnt get the job done? Vitali was putting a beating on Lewis, yes he lost the fight, that is not to debate. i am a Klit fan, not rabid like some, but i say no cut over Vitali's eye=Lennox Lewis retiring a beaten and beltless man.The man was getting the job done until the fight was stopped.

Maybe i saw a different fight. He couldnt get the job done? Vitali was putting a beating on Lewis, yes he lost the fight, that is not to debate. i am a Klit fan, not rabid like some, but i say no cut over Vitali's eye=Lennox Lewis retiring a beaten and beltless man.The man was getting the job done until the fight was stopped.

Thats a logical way of looking at it, however you could also look at it like, an outta shape Lewis was finding his range with Vitali and take it to him when the fight was stopped.I agree Vitali was winning the fight when it was stopped but Lewis was beginnig to find his range.

LOLOLOL CITA and Jose should hook up. I think you two make a nice couple. Guys can't stand the truth about Byrd and Lewis. LOLOL


Im sorry whats the truth?

I thought the TRUTH is that Lewis stopped him in 6. I mean that is a fact right?*looks around*. Lennox Lewis did win the fight, I mean hey if im wrong and Vitali won it please feel free to let me know.

Cause you know I was under the impression Lewis had won the fight, but hey I could be wrong.

Maybe i saw a different fight. He couldnt get the job done? Vitali was putting a beating on Lewis, yes he lost the fight, that is not to debate. i am a Klit fan, not rabid like some, but i say no cut over Vitali's eye=Lennox Lewis retiring a beaten and beltless man.The man was getting the job done until the fight was stopped.

Couldn't get the job done as in HE LOST THE FIGHT. This aint a hard concept to get here. I dont care what he did or was doing the fact is HE LOST and thats the bottom line.

Lewis cause the cuts because of punches he landed. Getting cut is part of boxing thats like saying Well if Meldrick Taylor's face hadn't swelled up he probably woulda beat Chavez or Well if Tackie doesn't hit Garcia on the chin then Garcia probably beats him.

The condition was a result of punches landed during the fight. It was not one cut that caused it to be stopped it was the fact that the entire side of his face was ripped apart. It was not some fluke accident. Count the cuts if you want

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/8918Vitali_410_x_410_.jpg

Im sorry whats the truth?

I thought the TRUTH is that Lewis stopped him in 6. I mean that is a fact right?*looks around*. Lennox Lewis did win the fight, I mean hey if im wrong and Vitali won it please feel free to let me know.

Cause you know I was under the impression Lewis had won the fight, but hey I could be wrong.



Couldn't get the job done as in HE LOST THE FIGHT. This aint a hard concept to get here. I dont care what he did or was doing the fact is HE LOST and thats the bottom line.

Lewis cause the cuts because of punches he landed. Getting cut is part of boxing thats like saying Well if Meldrick Taylor's face hadn't swelled up he probably woulda beat Chavez or Well if Tackie doesn't hit Garcia on the chin then Garcia probably beats him.

The condition was a result of punches landed during the fight. It was not one cut that caused it to be stopped it was the fact that the entire side of his face was ripped apart. It was not some fluke accident. Count the cuts if you want

I guess your suggesting that "I" posted those comments? .......... WOW .........I'm going to asume that you copied Godzhand's Post by mistake thinking that was my post. You wouldn't do that on purpose

I guess your suggesting that "I" posted those comments? .......... WOW .........I'm going to asume that you copied Godzhand's Post by mistake thinking that was my post. You wouldn't do that on purpose

Oh please you know you feel exactly the same as godhandzs about that fight.

I guess your suggesting that "I" posted those comments? .......... WOW .........I'm going to asume that you copied Godzhand's Post by mistake thinking that was my post. You wouldn't do that on purpose


No I quoted both of your post and responed to each. If thats too hard for you to understand please let me know.

Im sorry whats the truth?

I thought the TRUTH is that Lewis stopped him in 6. I mean that is a fact right?*looks around*. Lennox Lewis did win the fight, I mean hey if im wrong and Vitali won it please feel free to let me know.

Cause you know I was under the impression Lewis had won the fight, but hey I could be wrong.

See this above? this is the responce to YOU

See this below? this is the responce to HIM.

Couldn't get the job done as in HE LOST THE FIGHT. This aint a hard concept to get here. I dont care what he did or was doing the fact is HE LOST and thats the bottom line.

Lewis cause the cuts because of punches he landed. Getting cut is part of boxing thats like saying Well if Meldrick Taylor's face hadn't swelled up he probably woulda beat Chavez or Well if Tackie doesn't hit Garcia on the chin then Garcia probably beats him.

The condition was a result of punches landed during the fight. It was not one cut that caused it to be stopped it was the fact that the entire side of his face was ripped apart. It was not some fluke accident. Count the cuts if you want

and im just curious let me know how you feel about the fight since you seem to be trying to distanse yourself from GodHandz comments.

Well I've concluded, once again, You guys either have very poor reading comprehension skills, severe short term memory loss, or have nothing better to do than make ridiculous arguments. I'm not sure which scenario is worse. Either way, arguing with you guys serves no constructive purpose and has no value other than the sheer value of entertainment.

Im sorry whats the truth?

I thought the TRUTH is that Lewis stopped him in 6. I mean that is a fact right?*looks around*. Lennox Lewis did win the fight, I mean hey if im wrong and Vitali won it please feel free to let me know.

Cause you know I was under the impression Lewis had won the fight, but hey I could be wrong.



Couldn't get the job done as in HE LOST THE FIGHT. This aint a hard concept to get here. I dont care what he did or was doing the fact is HE LOST and thats the bottom line.

Lewis cause the cuts because of punches he landed. Getting cut is part of boxing thats like saying Well if Meldrick Taylor's face hadn't swelled up he probably woulda beat Chavez or Well if Tackie doesn't hit Garcia on the chin then Garcia probably beats him.

The condition was a result of punches landed during the fight. It was not one cut that caused it to be stopped it was the fact that the entire side of his face was ripped apart. It was not some fluke accident. Count the cuts if you want

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/8918Vitali_410_x_410_.jpg


but to say he couldnt get the job done against an old lewis makes it seem like he didnt do anything but get in there and get a paycheck. I already stated that he lost the fight and I wasnt disputing that, i said he was getting the job done until he was stopped. dont mistake me for a klitschko worshipper.

Oh please you know you feel exactly the same as godhandzs about that fight.


how do you think i feel about that fight?

Well I've concluded, once again, You guys either have very poor reading comprehension skills, severe short term memory loss, or have nothing better to do than make ridiculous arguments. I'm not sure which scenario is worse. Either way, arguing with you guys serves no constructive purpose and has no value other than the sheer value of entertainment.


Typical Torino way out.

Cant say im shocked.

but to say he couldnt get the job done against an old lewis makes it seem like he didnt do anything but get in there and get a paycheck. I already stated that he lost the fight and I wasnt disputing that, i said he was getting the job done until he was stopped. dont mistake me for a klitschko worshipper.

Pay attention

Its "Couldn't get the job DONE". Its not get the job CLOSE or Get the job ALMOST, Its DONE. Did he finish? did he put the nail in the coffin?

At the end of the day did he win thats all that matters.

He had an old Lewis in fron of him and out oin his feet and did he win? no he didn't he lost.

thats what that saying means

Thats a logical way of looking at it, however you could also look at it like, an outta shape Lewis was finding his range with Vitali and take it to him when the fight was stopped.I agree Vitali was winning the fight when it was stopped but Lewis was beginnig to find his range.


true again, however at the end of the last round, lewis looked like he was going into cardiac arrest, IMO he would have been stopped if Vitali wasnt cut. He simply was running on fumes at that point, with all this talk about it, i think im gonna watch it again, it was a great fight to watch.

but to say he couldnt get the job done against an old lewis makes it seem like he didnt do anything but get in there and get a paycheck. I already stated that he lost the fight and I wasnt disputing that, i said he was getting the job done until he was stopped. dont mistake me for a klitschko worshipper.


that is a nice picture you had of that fight, ill bet you could have fit a quarter in that ****in cut.

true again, however at the end of the last round, lewis looked like he was going into cardiac arrest, IMO he would have been stopped if Vitali wasnt cut. He simply was running on fumes at that point, with all this talk about it, i think im gonna watch it again, it was a great fight to watch.

that doesn't matter cause the fight was stopped and Lewis won.

at the same time you could say Vitali was ready to have his eyeball pop out of his socket and fall onto the canvas.

but to say he couldnt get the job done against an old lewis makes it seem like he didnt do anything but get in there and get a paycheck. I already stated that he lost the fight and I wasnt disputing that, i said he was getting the job done until he was stopped. dont mistake me for a klitschko worshipper.I am a Klitschko fan and I've posted the same thing but it falls on blind eyes for the sake of their argument. No one debates the winner of the fight. The argument is who was winning at the stoppage and - IMO - it wasn't Lewis.

IMO - If you don't KO (by way of opponents consciousness) or outpoint your opponent, you didn't win. I wouldn't be proud of any fighter winning because of an opponents cut. Too much chance and luck involved and not enough skill. Just not earned.

I am a Klitschko fan and I've posted the same thing but it falls on blind eyes for the sake of their argument. No one debates the winner of the fight. The argument is who was winning at the stoppage and - IMO - it wasn't Lewis.

IMO - If you don't KO (by way of opponents consciousness) or outpoint your opponent, you didn't win. I wouldn't be proud of any fighter winning because of an opponents cut. Too much chance and luck involved and not enough skill. Just not earned.


That post is flat out laughable. Why dont you flex the boxing knowledge alittle more killer.

that doesn't matter cause the fight was stopped and Lewis won.

at the same time you could say Vitali was ready to have his eyeball pop out of his socket and fall onto the canvas.


and thats exactly why the fight was stopped. ONCE AGAIN, i was never disputing the fact that the fight was stopped. ONCE AGAIN, i was only stating that to say that "he had an old lewis in there and couldnt get the job done" makes it seem like he just went in there and didnt do **** except get a paycheck. He WAS getting the job done until he was stopped.

That post is flat out laughable. Why dont you flex the boxing knowledge alittle more killer.Like I said, you have A total lack of reading comprehension. It's an opinion. Einstein

and thats exactly why the fight was stopped. ONCE AGAIN, i was never disputing the fact that the fight was stopped. ONCE AGAIN, i was only stating that to say that "he had an old lewis in there and couldnt get the job done" makes it seem like he just went in there and didnt do **** except get a paycheck. He WAS getting the job done until he was stopped.

This aint horseshoes this is boxing, almost doesn't count. Did he win or did he lose? If he LOST then he didn't get the job done and thats all there is too it.

Like I said, you have A total lack of reading comprehension. It's an opinion. Einstein


and you have a total lack of boxing knowledge, but then again you seem hell bent on showing us that everytime you post.

This aint horseshoes this is boxing, almost doesn't count. Did he win or did he lose? If he LOST then he didn't get the job done and thats all there is too it.



ONCE A ****ING GAIN, im not talking about almost. this is the last time im saying it, whether anyone wants to give him credit or not, until the fight was stopped he WAS getting the job done, yes, then he lost the fight. I'm just giving the man credit for putting up an admirable effort. to say he was in with an old lewis and didnt get the job done short sells the quality of the fight and performance of the guy with the quarter sized gash in his face. That is all. im not saying almost this and a few more rounds, he lost. GOOD. just the way you put it, seems like you dont want to give him credit for the effort.

This aint horseshoes this is boxing, almost doesn't count. Did he win or did he lose? If he LOST then he didn't get the job done and thats all there is too it. Fact is Lewis was loosing at the stoppage and you can't stand it. Admit it! If you can't type that Lewis was behind on the cards at stoppage, than your opinion only has an entertainment value.

Fact is Lewis was loosing at the stoppage and you can't stand it. Admit it! If you can't type that Lewis was behind on the cards at stoppage, than your opinion only has an entertainment value.


Yes I had Lewis losing 4 of the first 6 rounds.

I dont care if he was losing all I care about is did he win and the answer is YES he won.

Did Vitali lose the fight fair and square? yes or no

Yes I had Lewis losing 4 of the first 6 rounds.

I dont care if he was losing all I care about is did he win and the answer is YES he won.

Did Vitali lose the fight fair and square? yes or no


yes he did, i speak for myself when i say that is not what i was disputing.im not saying it again, ive posted it like 7 damn times. i dont think torino is disputing the decision either.

Yes I had Lewis losing 4 of the first 6 rounds.

I dont care if he was losing all I care about is did he win and the answer is YES he won.

Did Vitali lose the fight fair and square? yes or noIf you read my post to Godzhand on page 6 you would see that I already said Lewis won as I said countless times before. It is you that refused to admit who was winning at the stoppage.

ONCE A ****ING GAIN, im not talking about almost. this is the last time im saying it, whether anyone wants to give him credit or not, until the fight was stopped he WAS getting the job done, yes, then he lost the fight. I'm just giving the man credit for putting up an admirable effort. to say he was in with an old lewis and didnt get the job done short sells the quality of the fight and performance of the guy with the quarter sized gash in his face. That is all. im not saying almost this and a few more rounds, he lost. GOOD. just the way you put it, seems like you dont want to give him credit for the effort.


what are you gonna start to cry over here?

Pay attention jr. "Getting the job done" means completeing something, getting it done untiul there is nothing left to do.

Thats what that ****ing means. When I said he did not get the job done I ment he LOST. It does not mean he put up a good effort(He did put up a good effort) I dont give a **** about that. I care about winning and losing and did he lose? The answer is YES he lost the fight.

It seems like you cannot put your head around the phrase "Get the job done". This is not well he was getting it done, this is did he or didn't he

If you read my post to Godzhand on page 6 you would see that I already said Lewis won as I said countless times before. It is you that refused to admit who was winning at the stoppage.

I dont care kid.

I just told you I had Vitali winning and I have always said that. Did Lewis win? yes or no the answer is YES.

This is boxing almost doesn't count.

what are you gonna start to cry over here?

Pay attention jr. "Getting the job done" means completeing something, getting it done untiul there is nothing left to do.

Thats what that ****ing means. When I said he did not get the job done I ment he LOST. It does not mean he put up a good effort(He did put up a good effort) I dont give a **** about that. I care about winning and losing and did he lose? The answer is YES he lost the fight.

It seems like you cannot put your head around the phrase "Get the job done". This is not well he was getting it done, this is did he or didn't he


cry? no, i was satisfied with the decision, i am not a rabid klit fan, it just seemed like you didnt want to give him credit,and every time i mentioned this, you just went back to the "he lost" part of your posts. i know he lost, it just seemed like you didnt want to give him credit, you just did, so that's that, please pass the kleenex.

what are you gonna start to cry over here?

Pay attention jr. "Getting the job done" means completeing something, getting it done untiul there is nothing left to do.

Thats what that ****ing means. When I said he did not get the job done I ment he LOST. It does not mean he put up a good effort(He did put up a good effort) I dont give a **** about that. I care about winning and losing and did he lose? The answer is YES he lost the fight.

It seems like you cannot put your head around the phrase "Get the job done". This is not well he was getting it done, this is did he or didn't heTechnically "getting the job done" is implying that completion is in progress. Did not say "GOT THE JOB DONE"

Jose your just mastering the art of argument to use against your poor wife. Well....that's if your not......you know .........

PS. keep calling me kid. Makes me feel young. :D

cry? no, i was satisfied with the decision, i am not a rabid klit fan, it just seemed like you didnt want to give him credit,and every time i mentioned this, you just went back to the "he lost" part of your posts. i know he lost, it just seemed like you didnt want to give him credit, you just did, so that's that, please pass the kleenex.


now that everyone is happy, lets start a fire and roast some marshmallows :D

This is why Klit fans amuse me so much. They love to point out that Klit was ahead on the cards at the stoppage. I agree that Klit, to that point, was fighting beautifully.
They always seem to forget the fact that the last punch Lewis landed rocked Big K all the way across the ring along the ropes. Lewis was getting his range and landing some heavy shots, and was starting to take serious control of the fight at the stoppage.
Big K somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes that night for wanting to continue the fight with a face that looked like hamburger, but the simple fact is, the fight was beginning to turn, so the eventual outcome was NOT a certain Big K win.

Technically "getting the job done" is implying that completion is in progress. Did not say "GOT THE JOB DONE"

actually I said "GET the job done" at leat 10+ times on this thread.

You dont say did Lennox GOT the job done.

Pointless!

Jose your just mastering the art of argument to use against your poor wife. Well....that's if your not......you know .........

PS. keep calling me kid. Makes me feel young. :D

your so predictable its not even funny. Cant hold your own in a debate so you stoop to stuff like this.

Pointless!

Yes I agree most of your post are.

Now that we have agreed lets move on.

Dont forget Wlad was also been TKO'ed by the great Ross Purity

and bernard hopkins was beaten by the great clinton mitchell

and manny pacquiao was beaten by the great rustico torrecampo

a loss early in ones career proves nothing but immaturity

please leave these jr high school posts in the boxing forum for kids

this forum is for real adults

and bernard hopkins was beaten by the great clinton mitchell

and manny pacquiao was beaten by the great rustico torrecampo

a loss early in ones career proves nothing but immaturity

please leave these jr high school posts in the boxing forum for kids

this forum is for real adults

By the way im still waitin for you to produce that Lennox Lewis video.

NONE of those guys had the amature career Wlad had. They all to come up the hard way and earn there stripes. Wlad came out of a great amature program and was an Olympic Gold Medalist he should have bee prepared.

Yes an early loss can prove imamaturity, but what happens when you KEEP LOSING? Whats the excuse then?

try and play this game with someone else cause I'll school you everytime.

if youve ever fought then you would know that amateurs and pros are leagues apart

if youve ever fought then you would know that amateurs and pros are leagues apart

no **** really.

Are you trying to tell me a great amature career with hundreds of fights and going to the Olympics wont in some way prepare you for your career as a pro?

Like I said whats your excuse for him continuing to lose?

where is my Lennox video, you talked all kinds of **** produce it

if youve ever fought then you would know that amateurs and pros are leagues apart
yes, but an amateur career is the basic building block of a professional career.

how did i talk ****

LL is one of my favorite all time fighters

i said i didnt find the video and i cant ask the guy on ******** Boxing that had it because im banned for calling the moderator a klitschko nuthugger

nothing more i can do

You've earned a pass ......... I've put that on ice for a while.

In regards to Wladimir. I just don't think it's fair to say a guy should retire for getting knocked out when other fighters (Lewis, Tyson, Ali, and many more) get KO'ed and it's just a bump in the road of their careers. Especially if the guy is only 28 and still has his wits about him. It's unreasonable to say he should retire.

Regarding Vitali, I just don't get this one. Every time I watch the Lewis fight, I still see Vitali winning at the stoppage. Yet he gets no respect. All you hear is "Lewis was fat & old " bla bla bla. Just nonsence.
Then there's complaints about his opponents. All fighters try to take the road to the top with the least resistance, then do whatever it takes to stay on top. Thats just good management. Having said that, I also give a lot more credit to Sanders, Johnson, and Vitali's other opponents than other people. Fat and old my ass, These men could kill an average man with one punch.
Vitali has "Rocky Marciano Syndrome", only good because of terrible opponents. BUNCH OF BS! NOW YOU GOT ME GOING! YOU DON'T AGREE ONLY BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T LIKE HIM! IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR GRAND "ILLUSION" OF LEWIS! C'mon ADMIT IT! LEWIS LOVER!

thanks..I needed that. Vitali has my respect as a fighter, time will tell if he can become great. Should Wlad retire? guess not, he is a big boy. Something happened to him. He had some very impressive victories over good fighters in the past and now he can hardly stand up. The wind blows him over. He has as much or more talent than anyone in the division. Size,right hand,jab,etc..but talent means nothing if you can't take a punch and fatique that quickly. I know I'll hear all the reasons for this, different style, different trainer, vasoline, kgb,etc..but the bottom is that my eyes don't lie. He is not the same fighter I watched a few years ago. At that point, I also thought he would be great, now I don't.

Resorting to childish namecalling, Torino, thats typical, you obviously are getting desperate in your argument.Did you read that article on ******** yet?

which article (theres two about the klitschkos)

i assume youre talking about the one dealing with insecure people being jelous of them

dont be so hard on yourself man, i bet if you look deep down inside of yourself you do have some redeeming qualities and arent useless

well anyways have a good day!

by the way the people at ******** boxing are f_cking idiots

the guy spelled "spoiled brat" ... "spoilt brat"

the guy who wrote the article is obviously in high school at best and saps like you read that **** and believe it as truth

open your eyes and get a life!

also im still trying to figure out the point of that article

doesnt that belong in a forum not as news

that site is simply ridiculous

but oh have fun there and have fun getting your news from other good sources like Al-Jarzeera and the sun

I'll go ahead and reply to you so that your thread ratio, you to everyone else, is but 4 to 2.

I don't hate Vitali, I don't hate anyone, but some of his and his brother fans are just unbelievably fanatical, like jose said you can't carry on a normal conversation with them.


Yeah, what he said... ;)

This coming from the guy who doesn't think that Wlad has changed his style after he took on Manny as his trainer. Why does Wlad have such a weak chin? He has had one loss where his chin was the deciding factor, and it was against one of the hardest hitting southpaws ever. Yes Wlad didn't look as good people were expecting him to look against TOS. Its hard to look good against someone who fights a defensive fight against you, but he did outland TOS 3-1. Just look at how Wlad looked against Shufford.

why didnt you answer Jose's question? How many people??

LOLOLOL CITA and Jose should hook up. I think you two make a nice couple. Guys can't stand the truth about Byrd and Lewis. LOLOL

Gee, thats halarious...I thought the same thing about you and Neuraxis!

Well I've concluded, once again, You guys either have very poor reading comprehension skills, severe short term memory loss, or have nothing better to do than make ridiculous arguments. I'm not sure which scenario is worse. Either way, arguing with you guys serves no constructive purpose and has no value other than the sheer value of entertainment.

In other words, you two guy's won that round!! Hooray for you, Jose and CITA!! :D

( all apologies for the multiply posts; just catching up)

I am a Klitschko fan and I've posted the same thing but it falls on blind eyes for the sake of their argument. No one debates the winner of the fight. The argument is who was winning at the stoppage and - IMO - it wasn't Lewis.

IMO - If you don't KO (by way of opponents consciousness) or outpoint your opponent, you didn't win. I wouldn't be proud of any fighter winning because of an opponents cut. Too much chance and luck involved and not enough skill. Just not earned.

So, youre not proud of Wlad's latest victory? It was his cut, true enough, but what difference does that make?

Jose your just mastering the art of argument to use against your poor wife. Well....that's if your not......you know .........

PS. keep calling me kid. Makes me feel young. :D

Oh, I remember this part! Hey Jose, this is right about the time that he came off with "you MUST be single", etc... with me! Dont take it persoanl, it's all he has to use when the going get's rough.

After reading the same people come up with reasons to hate Vitali Klitschko over and over, I was wondering what he would have to do to earn your respect?

I don't care what you think he should have done in the past, I've already read all that. I'm wondering what he has to do now for you to approve?

Learn to fight, then fight some decent fighters, but i fear its out of his reach...

Oh, I remember this part! Hey Jose, this is right about the time that he came off with "you MUST be single", etc... with me! Dont take it persoanl, it's all he has to use when the going get's rough.


in the immortal words of my man Rodney King: cant we all just ge along?

in the immortal words of my man Rodney King: cant we all just ge along?



this thread is a de ja vu

This should be any easy enough question for most, but it could prove difficult for you Jose. Of these three fighters who is retired, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko? Take your time. There is no rush. And if you get a headache from thinking too much just take a Tylenol. It should help.

i used to like klitschko but you fools made me hate him .. you think hes a ali tyson holmes or foreman he aint even close he is a 2004 primo canero fighters that tall are to damn clumsy some short 2 hand puncher will swarm him and thats gonebe all she wrote

This should be any easy enough question for most, but it could prove difficult for you Jose. Of these three fighters who is retired, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko? Take your time. There is no rush. And if you get a headache from thinking too much just take a Tylenol. It should help.

I am sorry for failing to see what that has to do with the topic. Oh yeah, nothing. got it. Just more of the same :rolleyes: (retired by choice, as ya know)

i used to like klitschko but you fools made me hate him .. you think hes a ali tyson holmes or foreman he aint even close he is a 2004 primo canero fighters that tall are to damn clumsy some short 2 hand puncher will swarm him and thats gonebe all she wrote

Or no one has said any of those things. Wise up.

I am sorry for failing to see what that has to do with the topic. Oh yeah, nothing. got it. Just more of the same :rolleyes: (retired by choice, as ya know)

Retired by choice because Vitali was too difficult of a fight for him. He clearly wanted more easy, big pay day fights with the likes of Tyson. And don't try to twist this around that I hate Lewis before the Klitschkos came around, I was a huge Lewis fan, which is something that you can't say about the Klitschkos.

Retired by choice because Vitali was too difficult of a fight for him. He clearly wanted more easy, big pay day fights with the likes of Tyson. And don't try to twist this around that I hate Lewis before the Klitschkos came around, I was a huge Lewis fan, which is something that you can't say about the Klitschkos.

NO, I cant say I was ever a big fan, but I CAN say I have no desire to be after debates with some of their fans.

Again, you see it the way you want, so that is why this is all I'm going to bother saying about it; Lewis had been considering retirement for a while before Vitali.
However, if it makes you feel better to actually believe that he is afraid of Vitali (what a joke) then you just go right ahead, okay? :rolleyes:

This should be any easy enough question for most, but it could prove difficult for you Jose. Of these three fighters who is retired, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko? Take your time. There is no rush. And if you get a headache from thinking too much just take a Tylenol. It should help.


Like Tracy said, what the hell does this have to do with anything?

um...ok Lennox is retired did you you solve that mystery all by yourself?

here is a question for you

Of these 3 fighters Lennox, Wlad and Vitali

Which has a resume like this?

88 An Olympic Gold Medal
3 Time heavyweight Champion of the World(Only Ali and Holyfield have done this)
16 Title defenses(3rd all time behind Joe Louis and Larry Holmes)

all over a 15 year career

when either brother acomplishes half of that then you can talk.

Retired by choice because Vitali was too difficult of a fight for him. He clearly wanted more easy, big pay day fights with the likes of Tyson. And don't try to twist this around that I hate Lewis before the Klitschkos came around, I was a huge Lewis fan, which is something that you can't say about the Klitschkos.

Now you're just being silly.

Like Tracy said, what the hell does this have to do with anything?

um...ok Lennox is retired did you you solve that mystery all by yourself?

here is a question for you

Of these 3 fighters Lennox, Wlad and Vitali

Which has a resume like this?

88 An Olympic Gold Medal
3 Time heavyweight Champion of the World(Only Ali and Holyfield have done this)
16 Title defenses(3rd all time behind Joe Louis and Larry Holmes)

all over a 15 year career

when either brother acomplishes half of that then you can talk.


you guys argue too much, but good point.

Like Tracy said, what the hell does this have to do with anything?

um...ok Lennox is retired did you you solve that mystery all by yourself?

here is a question for you

Of these 3 fighters Lennox, Wlad and Vitali

Which has a resume like this?

88 An Olympic Gold Medal
3 Time heavyweight Champion of the World(Only Ali and Holyfield have done this)
16 Title defenses(3rd all time behind Joe Louis and Larry Holmes)

all over a 15 year career

when either brother acomplishes half of that then you can talk.

Jose KO's Neuraxis in the 10th.

Now you're just being silly.

i actually agree with neuraxis

maybe you cant stand idiots neil because you are one

shame on you!

Like Tracy said, what the hell does this have to do with anything?

um...ok Lennox is retired did you you solve that mystery all by yourself?

here is a question for you

Of these 3 fighters Lennox, Wlad and Vitali

Which has a resume like this?

88 An Olympic Gold Medal
3 Time heavyweight Champion of the World(Only Ali and Holyfield have done this)
16 Title defenses(3rd all time behind Joe Louis and Larry Holmes)

all over a 15 year career

when either brother acomplishes half of that then you can talk.

So I guess Vitali has 8 years. With the state of todays heavyweight division I don't see why he shouldn't accomplish half of that, which you seem to think that he can't do.

So I guess Vitali has 8 years. With the state of todays heavyweight division I don't see why he shouldn't accomplish half of that, which you seem to think that he can't do.
Don't you get it? he's got you over a barrel. There's no way that either of them can get a 1988 Olympic Gold Medal.

Don't you get it? he's got you over a barrel. There's no way that either of them can get a 1988 Olympic Gold Medal.

VB martin

here is the room...

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Don't you get it? he's got you over a barrel. There's no way that either of them can get a 1988 Olympic Gold Medal.

This just in your beliefs are not facts. Lewis was two different fighters before and after Emanuel Steward.

I was talking to an old friend of mine who has had an interest in the fight game for awhile. He said the one thing that they are overlooking about Vitali is that he is getting better. That says quite a bit about him I think.

Or no one has said any of those things. Wise up.
cuz thats the truth its reality

This just in your beliefs are not facts. Lewis was two different fighters before and after Emanuel Steward.
um... huh?

Does that mean that you think that Lewis was just as good before he started training with Steward as he was after?

Why are some of you still banging your heads against this wall? :confused:

nothing vitali could ever do would make these idiots say he is a good fighter...in reality the man was never beat..he hurt his shoulder and lost because of cuts..in a fight he was clearly winning..if you could make all of the greats from the 70s young again and vitali knocked them all out people would still find excuses to say his is a bum..the man is a good boxer he has a good chin and is a hard puncher but when you hear people talk about him they say stupid shyt like a 180 pound marciano could knock him out..its one thing to be a fan boy and another to be retarded..give the man his props

After reading the same people come up with reasons to hate Vitali Klitschko over and over, I was wondering what he would have to do to earn your respect?


Trust me. It does not matter who he beats, nor how long he stays champion. If he rematched Lewis, and knocked him out, same with byrd, people would FIND something else to discredit him.

Plain and simple: people do not accept the fact the best heavyweight is not an animal. And white.

nothing vitali could ever do would make these idiots say he is a good fighter...in reality the man was never beat..he hurt his shoulder and lost because of cuts..in a fight he was clearly winning..if you could make all of the greats from the 70s young again and vitali knocked them all out people would still find excuses to say his is a bum..the man is a good boxer he has a good chin and is a hard puncher but when you hear people talk about him they say stupid shyt like a 180 pound marciano could knock him out..its one thing to be a fan boy and another to be retarded..give the man his props

Okay, dislike for a fighter doesnt make a person an idiot..I'm sure there are fighters that you dont particularly care for..so, are you an idiot too?
Also, I dont think the hurt shoulder excuse is a strong one if only cause so many fighters continue to fight with broken noses and broken hands.. Gatti fights with broken hands often, but, then again, he's a tough guy.
And, I personally never said Vitali was a "bum"...I may not be very impressed with him, and I may also think he was on his way to getting knocked out against Lewis, but in no way do I consider him a bum. Not at all.
See, some can actually NOT be wild and crazy about a certain boxer and still have a brain, and it's people that call others "idiots" and "retards", because of their opinions, that alot of us dont much care to debate with. :confused:

Watsup Tracylee, This thread is mad old, why you decide to have a good fight before sleep. :D
Vitaly always will be discredited and there always will be controversy because most of the people are not ready to see a white and educated guy being the baddest man on the planet. And I am not playing a race card because this goes to people of all races. Vitaly is literally a stereotype destroyer, a true rags-to-reaches story in front of our eyes. Most of the people dont like him because he makes them uncomfortable. For every **** that you spit on him he gets more and more polite end classy. And than when you are in the ring he beats you up with his unorthdox style and this is crazy because it should not work but it still works and you are still getting punished and it is your style that proves to be ineffective.
And by the way that shoulder injury could have costed him his whole career and you know he made a right choise. because that was not even a championship fight.

I know this is my first post, but I don't think there is much Vitali can do to gain respect of his haters. I like him, but I think he's over-hyped, and that's why I'm against so many of his fans. He's a decent fighter, and all, but his division is so terrible right now that it doesn't seem he can ever prove how good he CAN be. That's the problem I have right now with him, no one in the division is that good, so he can't prove he's that good.

Watsup Tracylee, This thread is mad old, why you decide to have a good fight before sleep. :D
Vitaly always will be discredited and there always will be controversy because most of the people are not ready to see a white and educated guy being the baddest man on the planet. And I am not playing a race card because this goes to people of all races. Vitaly is literally a stereotype destroyer, a true rags-to-reaches story in front of our eyes. Most of the people dont like him because he makes them uncomfortable. For every **** that you spit on him he gets more and more polite end classy. And than when you are in the ring he beats you up with his unorthdox style and this is crazy because it should not work but it still works and you are still getting punished and it is your style that proves to be ineffective.
And by the way that shoulder injury could have costed him his whole career and you know he made a right choise. because that was not even a championship fight.

Hey now, I didnt drag this old thread up...just responding to the fact that people that dont like him are supposed to be idiots; if you know me you know I just couldnt pass that up!! :D :p
I dont care about the whole black, white champ. thing..it
simply doesnt matter to me. I much prefer someone with a little class outside of the ring, and he does seem to have that going for him. I just havent been impressed with him in the ring, nothing more or less than that, honestly. I will admit some of his fans have insulted me to the point where I unintentionally hold it against him, and thats totally unfair, but I cant help it either. Hopefully while he is still champ there will be "THE" fight..the very one that wins me over..you just never know! ;)

I know this is my first post, but I don't think there is much Vitali can do to gain respect of his haters. I like him, but I think he's over-hyped, and that's why I'm against so many of his fans. He's a decent fighter, and all, but his division is so terrible right now that it doesn't seem he can ever prove how good he CAN be. That's the problem I have right now with him, no one in the division is that good, so he can't prove he's that good.

Welcome to the site :)

Hopefully while he is still champ there will be "THE" fight..the very one that wins me over..you just never know! ;)

which fighter out there will do that for you? does Rahman count? he doesnt for me?

I was just wondering if there was a heavyweight he could beat that would impress you?

i dont think its the fact that he's white, i think its bcuz he's not a gy who goes to prison and talks with a fake accent (eg. lennox lewis).

he does not bad mouth his opponents, he treats it like a business job. go in there do your work, and go home and celebrate

only people who

1. ride lennox lewis's dick
2. hate white or ukraine peeps
3. hate the fans
4. suck toneys sack

hate klitschko

i dont think its the fact that he's white, i think its bcuz he's not a gy who goes to prison and talks with a fake accent (eg. lennox lewis).

he does not bad mouth his opponents, he treats it like a business job. go in there do your work, and go home and celebrate


.....Yeah I hear ya!!! To me Lennox is like a big cartoon character. The way he over extends his mouth when trying to make a point and the **** he has talked in retirement. I actually kind of respected the guy in spite of his glass jaw and the brutal knockouts he suffered. Now I just wish he would go the **** away and never show his ugly face again. There is nothing classy or cool about that guy in any way, shape, or form. He is a big mouthed phoney who needs to get back in the ring or STFU and let the real boxers go at it. The guy has no balls when it comes to big Vit and all the spinning in the world can't make me believe otherwise. His fans know the real deal too. That big british sissy is scared ****less of Vitali and he will never give him a rematch. He is praying that Vit gets upset somehow so he can come back and fight a bum for a big payday instead of getting his sorry ass handed to him by none other than Vitali Klitschko. **** you Lennox and **** your idiotic opinions as well!!!

On the subject of Vitali, I was just watching the Jones/Ruiz and W. Klitschko/Sanders DVD and noticed right when Wladimir gets knocked down the first time, Vitali goes ape****..he starts balling up his fists and etc :D

He got in the ring after Sanders tko him and was like 'I want to fight you Sandahs" "lets fight sandahs" :D

sanders beat his ass and was like 'Lennox lewis phone me the other night and told me to come right at wladimir, he will be scared and cannot take pressure' ;) ross purrity hooked up old sanders on the 411

On the subject of Vitali, I was just watching the Jones/Ruiz and W. Klitschko/Sanders DVD and noticed right when Wladimir gets knocked down the first time, Vitali goes ape****..he starts balling up his fists and etc :D

He got in the ring after Sanders tko him and was like 'I want to fight you Sandahs" "lets fight sandahs" :D

sanders beat his ass and was like 'Lennox lewis phone me the other night and told me to come right at wladimir, he will be scared and cannot take pressure' ;) ross purrity hooked up old sanders on the 411

i'm sorry, but how is this post on the subject of Vitali?
not picking on you, it just didnt seem like you stated anything about vitali, just what he did after the wlad-sanders fight

i'm sorry, but how is this post on the subject of Vitali?
not picking on you, it just didnt seem like you stated anything about vitali, just what he did after the wlad-sanders fight

what you just posted contradicts itself ,if the person has something to say about vitali in the vitali thread, how could it not be on the subject of vitali? whether it's major or minor is regardless, bozo ;p

Yea I cant stand the fact that Lennox is sitting on his fat ass, wont fight a rematch with Vitali but thinks its cool to try to give everyone a tip on how to beat him.

what you just posted contradicts itself ,if the person has something to say about vitali in the vitali thread, how could it not be on the subject of vitali? whether it's major or minor is regardless, bozo ;p

you can mention something about a fighter without actually saying anything.

like if i said, "on the subject of Vitali, he's 6'7". Lennox Lewis gave sanders advise"

thanks for the advise though

Hey now, I didnt drag this old thread up...just responding to the fact that people that dont like him are supposed to be idiots; if you know me you know I just couldnt pass that up!! :D :p
I dont care about the whole black, white champ. thing..it
simply doesnt matter to me. I much prefer someone with a little class outside of the ring, and he does seem to have that going for him. I just havent been impressed with him in the ring, nothing more or less than that, honestly. I will admit some of his fans have insulted me to the point where I unintentionally hold it against him, and thats totally unfair, but I cant help it either. Hopefully while he is still champ there will be "THE" fight..the very one that wins me over..you just never know! ;)

Golden opportunity to do some Tracy bashing, but as usual, I wont do it. Lets see if in the future you can demonstrate the same for me. In the past, you havent and I just let it slide.

Why anyone would "hate" the Klitschko's is wierd.

They are two class acts. :confused:

After reading the same people come up with reasons to hate Vitali Klitschko over and over, I was wondering what he would have to do to earn your respect?

I don't care what you think he should have done in the past, I've already read all that. I'm wondering what he has to do now for you to approve?


you see i respect Vitali because he is the true champ
but i few days ago i saw apot by soemone who tougth he could
beat Ali and Marciano, i mean he is the true champ right now
but the Heavyweight divison is goingt tru one of its toughest
times, there is not much competition.
so i dont see how can some people compare Vitali to Ali, Marciano Tyson or Foreman.

you can mention something about a fighter without actually saying anything.

like if i said, "on the subject of Vitali, he's 6'7". Lennox Lewis gave sanders advise"

thanks for the advise though


it's always classic when a guy trying to correct someone else can't spell a word my 1st grade nephew spells without a problem

If he wasnt stiff like
a robot no one would hate
him. Hes boring to.

you can mention something about a fighter without actually saying anything.

like if i said, "on the subject of Vitali, he's 6'7". Lennox Lewis gave sanders advise"

thanks for the advise though

points and laughs

After reading the same people come up with reasons to hate Vitali Klitschko over and over, I was wondering what he would have to do to earn your respect?

I don't care what you think he should have done in the past, I've already read all that. I'm wondering what he has to do now for you to approve?


Hey bro, dont waste your energy on a question like this one. I have been a Klitschko fan for quite some time, and the haters, no matter how you provide them with logical reasoning, they will find a way to hate. We both know that Vitali and Wladimir will be holding belts by the end of the year.

Nice name,by the way.

Golden opportunity to do some Tracy bashing, but as usual, I wont do it. Lets see if in the future you can demonstrate the same for me. In the past, you havent and I just let it slide.

Or, a golden opportunity to debate, perhaps? Why it has to be 'bashing'..totally disrespecting each others opinion, is beyond me. It's not necessary, and only causes hard feelings in the long run. I've tried many times to debate with you, and a time or two you took it to a personal level. Thats not bashing..it's the simple truth. I havent forgotten all the things you said about me, or I would be able to take you serious and could even possibly enjoy debating with you. You seem to know your stuff about the sport, but let it get too personal when I disagree with you. Other than that, I have no problem with you at all. I just know there is a risk factor when I quote you on anything, cause you think I'm attacking you or something, and I'm just trying to debate with you.
I wont bash you, but I will post my opinion, and it's based on whats happened in the past (I'm sure you remember too)

I knew you couldn't resist temptation.

Or, a golden opportunity to debate, perhaps? Why it has to be 'bashing'..totally disrespecting each others opinion, is beyond me. All you did was disrespect my opinion until one day I put you in your place. And you've had a vendetta ever since while I've just tried to ignore you .It's not necessary, and only causes hard feelings in the long run. I've tried many times to debate with you, and a time or two you took it to a personal level. Thats not bashing..it's the simple truth.I don't have any hard feelings, I just ignore you everytime you talk sh-t about me. I don't respond to it. It's you who wont let it go. I havent forgotten all the things you said about me, or I would be able to take you serious and could even possibly enjoy debating with you.See. Let it go.You seem to know your stuff about the sport, but let it get too personal when I disagree with you. Other than that, I have no problem with you at all. I just know there is a risk factor when I quote you on anything, cause you think I'm attacking you or something, and I'm just trying to debate with you. I don't think you are attacking me. As you put it, your "disrespecting my opinion". When you reply to my posts, you carry the weight of our previous argument in your reply and it shows. Let it go.
I wont bash you, but I will post my opinion, and it's based on whats happened in the past (I'm sure you remember too)
This is the problem, I remember but I let it go. I don't care about it. The problem isn't me, It's you carrying the weight of old arguments into new topics. I have watched you try justify your actions toward me with others. Especially when I'm in a heated debate with someone else. You can't resist an opportunity to assist my opponent in a debate regardless of the topic. Throughout all of this, I just ignore you. It's a good thing I ignore you, because if I acted like you, this would get real ugly. I've resisted many opportunities to join your opposition.

Don't you think you've made up for the comment I made about your marital status? That's what this is about isn't it? LET IT GO. This is just a boxing debate site. You don't need to carry this burden.

If he wasnt stiff like
a robot no one would hate
him. Hes boring to.

he has gont the distance once, how the hell can he be boring??

Do you seriously dislike him for having a stiff back???? :confused:

his back didnt look stiff to me when he has dodging sanders punches when u see a 6'7 guy move it my look slow but ask the peeps in the ring vitali can be elusive cause of his stance

I feel VK deserves respect. He is a damn good fighter who can potentially become great. I question his ability to avoid punches, but also see that his size and intelligence will cuase problems for anyone in the division. All he can do is beat who is in the divison. I'm not saying he is an all time great, but in this pathetic division, he is certainly the cream of the crop.

Time will tell. I think the VK lovers give him too much credit, but the guys against him criticise too much as well. Lets see what happens with VK. He is exciting to watch and who knows, maybe he will become great.

Well if you don't enjoy Klitschkos style, you must not enjoy anyone in the heavyweight division. No one is better to watch and comes more prepared than Vitali.

I knew you couldn't resist temptation.

All you did was disrespect my opinion until one day I put you in your place. And you've had a vendetta ever since while I've just tried to ignore you .I don't have any hard feelings, I just ignore you everytime you talk sh-t about me. I don't respond to it. It's you who wont let it go. See. Let it go. I don't think you are attacking me. As you put it, your "disrespecting my opinion". When you reply to my posts, you carry the weight of our previous argument in your reply and it shows. Let it go.
This is the problem, I remember but I let it go. I don't care about it. The problem isn't me, It's you carrying the weight of old arguments into new topics. I have watched you try justify your actions toward me with others. Especially when I'm in a heated debate with someone else. You can't resist an opportunity to assist my opponent in a debate regardless of the topic. Throughout all of this, I just ignore you. It's a good thing I ignore you, because if I acted like you, this would get real ugly. I've resisted many opportunities to join your opposition.

Don't you think you've made up for the comment I made about your marital status? That's what this is about isn't it? LET IT GO. This is just a boxing debate site. You don't need to carry this burden.

Couldnt resist temptation? Nothing tempting there...just posting plain facts, and I shouldnt have been surprised that it bothered you yet again now should I?
I must say that you do a ****ty job of making it seem like I'M the only thing that went wrong with our debates, etc..while poor little you sit back all innocent and didnt deserve any bad replies or anything, and I made this post in an attempt to let you know that I could debate with you without malice, but that's apparently still too much for you, so thats cool with me. It's amusing that you still see yourself as a victim.
The funniest thing you said was you put me in my place :rolleyes: . Nobody has ever managed that, but if it makes you feel better to tell yourself that then knock yourself out, by all means! Far be it for me to snatch that amazing "accomplishment" away from you...just too damn bad it never happened.
No problem, that was my last attempt at debating anything with you..oh hell, cant have you "putting" me anywhere, now can I? Freaking halarious...your best yet! :D

No problem, that was my last attempt at debating anything with you
.....????.......LOL...........:D
You ever notice that you use the same argument with everyone?

I'm not trying to come off as a "victim". That perspective is coming from your conscience, it's telling you to WAKE UP!

I've been waiting a long time to hear you say "......that was my last attempt at debating anything with you". There is a god! Now lets see if you keep your word.:tapedshut

The true test will come when I'm debating with someone else. Lets see if you can resist bad mouthing me to the other posters or if you revert back to what you know best. ;)

Have a nice day. :)

he has gont the distance once, how the hell can he be boring??

Do you seriously dislike him for having a stiff back???? :confused:

I think he means that his fights are so boring because Vitali dominates everyone he fights. :fing02:

.....????.......LOL...........:D
You ever notice that you use the same argument with everyone?

I'm not trying to come off as a "victim". That perspective is coming from your conscience, it's telling you to WAKE UP!

I've been waiting a long time to hear you say "......that was my last attempt at debating anything with you". There is a god! Now lets see if you keep your word.:tapedshut

The true test will come when I'm debating with someone else. Lets see if you can resist bad mouthing me to the other posters or if you revert back to what you know best. ;)

Have a nice day. :)

I ONE, single time agreed with another poster that didnt have a very kind thing to say about you, because it was the truth. Other than that, I dont mention your dumbass, and you know it.
Have you never noticed that the only people here that like to talk to you, hell, that can even stand you, are fellow Klit fans? And youre so good at telling others that you "put them in their place" (I am far from the only one!)...only a pompous ass would say such a thing. You seem to have an enormously high opinion of yourself, and I suggest you cling to it, cause it isnt an opinion that is shared by many, that I'm sure of.

I ONE, single time agreed with another poster that didnt have a very kind thing to say about you, because it was the truth. Other than that, I dont mention your dumbass, and you know it.
Have you never noticed that the only people here that like to talk to you, hell, that can even stand you, are fellow Klit fans? And youre so good at telling others that you "put them in their place" (I am far from the only one!)...only a pompous ass would say such a thing. You seem to have an enormously high opinion of yourself, and I suggest you cling to it, cause it isnt an opinion that is shared by many, that I'm sure of.

YES! YES! This jerk-off is a pompous ass who comes on here and only talks about the Klit brothers and he can't accept other peoples points of view with regards to his Klit brothers.

I ONE, single time agreed with another poster that didnt have a very kind thing to say about you, because it was the truth. Other than that, I dont mention your dumbass, and you know it.
Have you never noticed that the only people here that like to talk to you, hell, that can even stand you, are fellow Klit fans? And youre so good at telling others that you "put them in their place" (I am far from the only one!)...only a pompous ass would say such a thing. You seem to have an enormously high opinion of yourself, and I suggest you cling to it, cause it isnt an opinion that is shared by many, that I'm sure of.

LOL that didn't take long

YES! YES! This jerk-off is a pompous ass who comes on here and only talks about the Klit brothers and he can't accept other peoples points of view with regards to his Klit brothers.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you confusing me w/Gran Torino? I'm not sure I've talked about the Klitschko's the whole time you've been a member of this site. This thread was created in October 04. I've yet to talk to you. That is unless your Cita!

Rahman is going to Knock Vitali out however. Vitali is a great champion, with an akward style. I belive the fight will be similar to Meehan/Rahman. Rock is going to pressure Vitali and eventually wear him down.

rahman will not KO vitali he cant hit hard enough

rahman will not KO vitali he cant hit hard enough

Wtf.

Rahman hits plenty hard.

ya but not enough

Rahman is going to Knock Vitali out however. Vitali is a great champion, with an akward style. I belive the fight will be similar to Meehan/Rahman. Rock is going to pressure Vitali and eventually wear him down.

He`s gonna ko VK.

Strange ive heard that when he fought williams,sanders,johnson,LL and Byrd but for some reason it never happens.

There is a very big difference between Meehan and VK, (dont confuse just because they both look like frankenstein).

Oh yes Rahman hits real hard, but i doubt he hits hard enough.

Vk will win by ko/tko in 5.

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I ONE, single time agreed with another poster that didnt have a very kind thing to say about you, because it was the truth. Other than that, I dont mention your dumbass, and you know it.
That is untrue and once again I can prove it. You but your nose into my conversations four times in this thread alone! See pages 9 and 10. Not to mention all the others times you but in with no relivant information. You just do it to take a shot. I thought you said you were done debating with me Trailer.

That is untrue and once again I can prove it. You but your nose into my conversations four times in this thread alone! See pages 9 and 10. Not to mention all the others times you but in with no relivant information. You just do it to take a shot. I thought you said you were done debating with me Trailer.

"Trailer"?? Oh please, how original and immature Torino :rolleyes:

"Trailer"?? Oh please, how original and immature Torino :rolleyes:

you have very many posts. over 5500.
:eek:

you have very many posts. over 5500.
:eek:

Well I've been posting here for almost a year (April's anniversary). I used to post atleast a few hr's a day, but lately I only post on occasion. Youre still kinda new, but dont worry, yours will build up too, before you know it ;)

its not that no one hates him just no one thinks hes that good of a fighter the heavy weight division is full of nobodys.