I recently watched a documentary on Mike Tyson called Fallen Champ: The Untold Story of Mike Tyson. In this movie I learned about when Atlas was working as a trainer with Cus D'Amato at his Catskill Boxing Club. After Cus brought Tyson up to his house in Catskill Mike became a fairly okay kid. But after winning the Junior Olympics he started to become pretty full of himself. It was at this time that Cus started to let Mike do whatever he wanted to. Mike made "lewd and sexual comments" toward a very young girl that Atlas knew. That night when Atlas found out he took him to the empty boxing gym and held a gun to Mike's head and told him that he needed to stop. Three days later Atlas was fired.

This was news to me anyone else?

Yeah it's pretty well known.

I'm no fan of Atlas (hypocrite and an overrated trainer), but I don't really blame him for doing what he did.

Yeah it's pretty well known.

I'm no fan of Atlas (hypocrite and an overrated trainer), but I don't really blame him for doing what he did.

He's a nutjob too, from what I've heard.

I recently watched a documentary on Mike Tyson called Fallen Champ: The Untold Story of Mike Tyson. In this movie I learned about when Atlas was working as a trainer with Cus D'Amato at his Catskill Boxing Club. After Cus brought Tyson up to his house in Catskill Mike became a fairly okay kid. But after winning the Junior Olympics he started to become pretty full of himself. It was at this time that Cus started to let Mike do whatever he wanted to. Mike made "lewd and sexual comments" toward a very young girl that Atlas knew. That night when Atlas found out he took him to the empty boxing gym and held a gun to Mike's head and told him that he needed to stop. Three days later Atlas was fired.

This was news to me anyone else?

That "very young girl" was Atlas' stepdaughter, and Tyson grabbed her butt.

That "very young girl" was Atlas' stepdaughter, and Tyson grabbed her butt.

It wasnt his step daughter dumb dumb:slap:

It wasnt his step daughter dumb dumb:slap:

Or daughter whatever.:rolleyes:

It was his cousin, and that was a very cowardly act threathening a 15 year old kid with a gun.

It was his cousin, and that was a very cowardly act threathening a 15 year old kid with a gun.

A 15 year old Tyson is still like built larger than the average adult male and was trained to hurt people.

It was his cousin, and that was a very cowardly act threathening a 15 year old kid with a gun.

But a 15year old Tyson was the size of a 25 year old man!:lol1:

I never heard this story before I saw the movie. I talked to a few other semi-fans and none of them had heard it either. I guess we're living in a boxing news bubble. Thanks fellas.

It was his cousin, and that was a very cowardly act threathening a 15 year old kid with a gun.

Yaman,
No disrespect to you bro, but what did you think Atlas was going to do to prove his point, sucker punch Tyson??? Tyson had no class to just grab a girl like that. Seems like he never outgrew it anyway, with his history towards women. My 2 cents worth is Atlas had balls to confront the thug in the first place and THREATENED him with the gun. COWARDLY was the 15 year old Tyson mugging 80 year old grannies for their bingo money. He brags about how "bad" he was when he was a kid. The idiot made millions and still had to file for bankruptcy. Typical loser.

It tells the exact same story in tysons beyond the glory. Bad though putting a gun to a kids head

Yaman,
No disrespect to you bro, but what did you think Atlas was going to do to prove his point, sucker punch Tyson??? Tyson had no class to just grab a girl like that. Seems like he never outgrew it anyway, with his history towards women. My 2 cents worth is Atlas had balls to confront the thug in the first place and THREATENED him with the gun. COWARDLY was the 15 year old Tyson mugging 80 year old grannies for their bingo money. He brags about how "bad" he was when he was a kid. The idiot made millions and still had to file for bankruptcy. Typical loser.


harry the nerd would confront suge knight,kimbo,or mike tyson with a gun.Dont have to have balls when u got a gun in your hands.

harry the nerd would confront suge knight,kimbo,or mike tyson with a gun.Dont have to have balls when u got a gun in your hands.

Atlas would have had NO CHANCE without the gun. I know that technically, you're right. It does show a weakness under the left tit to pull a gun on an unarmed guy.But, what were his options?
1. Now Mike, please show some respect to that little girl. Don't be a serial buttocks fondler.
2. Kick Tyson in the nuts & run for his life.
3. Take the little girl and move away.
4. Take a gun in case Tyson attacked him like he probably would have if Atlas didn't have the heat.

***YOU CAN GET FURTHER WITH A KIND WORD & A GUN THAN YOU CAN WITH JUST A KIND WORD. -Al Capone

It was his cousin, and that was a very cowardly act threathening a 15 year old kid with a gun.

all you guys are wrong, it was his wifes lil sis he grabed.

and if it was anyone in my family id have done the exact same thing if he was 15 or not.

Some points were made, but remember, Tyson at 15 years old was not some 115 lb pencil neck. Physically, he was a monster for his age.

Atlas would have had NO CHANCE without the gun. I know that technically, you're right. It does show a weakness under the left tit to pull a gun on an unarmed guy.But, what were his options?
1. Now Mike, please show some respect to that little girl. Don't be a serial buttocks fondler.
2. Kick Tyson in the nuts & run for his life.
3. Take the little girl and move away.
4. Take a gun in case Tyson attacked him like he probably would have if Atlas didn't have the heat.

***YOU CAN GET FURTHER WITH A KIND WORD & A GUN THAN YOU CAN WITH JUST A KIND WORD. -Al Capone

Just leave the camp if cus knew about all this stuff but didnt do ne thing about it.its that simple.

I think the point of the gun was to show he would kill Tyson. People heal from ass-kickings, death is final.

Yaman,
No disrespect to you bro, but what did you think Atlas was going to do to prove his point, sucker punch Tyson??? Tyson had no class to just grab a girl like that. Seems like he never outgrew it anyway, with his history towards women. My 2 cents worth is Atlas had balls to confront the thug in the first place and THREATENED him with the gun. COWARDLY was the 15 year old Tyson mugging 80 year old grannies for their bingo money. He brags about how "bad" he was when he was a kid. The idiot made millions and still had to file for bankruptcy. Typical loser.

The guy probably got a hard on, he had to shoot somewhere close to Tyson to ''prove his point''. Do you know how many times he has told this story? He is so proud of it, he probably still gets off on it.
The reason it is cowardly is because he couldn't ask Tyson if he did it, to his face without a gun. He claimed he knew Tyson and his weaknesses, Tyson wouldn't have beat him up if he confronted him without the gun. Yet he still did it like a real badass, and he still has to tell this story in every interview because he was so badass. That's what annoys me. Ofcource Mike was a fool for grabbing a young booty.
But whatever, this was a long time ago, and something personal between Tyson and scarface.

The guy probably got a hard on, he had to shoot somewhere close to Tyson to ''prove his point''. Do you know how many times he has told this story? He is so proud of it, he probably still gets off on it.
The reason it is cowardly is because he couldn't ask Tyson if he did it, to his face without a gun. He claimed he knew Tyson and his weaknesses, Tyson wouldn't have beat him up if he confronted him without the gun. Yet he still did it like a real badass, and he still has to tell this story in every interview because he was so badass. That's what annoys me. Ofcource Mike was a fool for grabbing a young booty.
But whatever, this was a long time ago, and something personal between Tyson and scarface.

I don't know how you did it, but you got thru to me. What you just wrote makes sense to me now. I personally love Atlas er, uh..."scarface" (?) but when I thought about what you said, yes, I have heard him say that a lot.
Good rebuttle. And I don't say that every day! :)

Part of why Teddy reacted that way is that he knew if Tyson got away with grabbing and lewd comments, he would go further with the girl the next time.

Fair enough. Teddy Atlas just did the instinctive thing.

Mike Tyson later became a convicted rapist and this only adds weight to Teddy's idea that he did the right thing by threatening Tyson. What else was Teddy gonna do? Offer Tyson out for a punch-up?

Tyson should have kept his hands to himself.

Just out of curiousity- How did Teddy Atlas get that scar on his face??? I've always wondered.

It's a knife wound. He got into alot of trouble as a young man before he got serious about boxing. His book is a great read. And it's not just about him, he talks about training and his interaction with fighters, promoters, etc. His Bob Arum story is hilarious.

The guy probably got a hard on, he had to shoot somewhere close to Tyson to ''prove his point''. Do you know how many times he has told this story? He is so proud of it, he probably still gets off on it.
The reason it is cowardly is because he couldn't ask Tyson if he did it, to his face without a gun. He claimed he knew Tyson and his weaknesses, Tyson wouldn't have beat him up if he confronted him without the gun. Yet he still did it like a real badass, and he still has to tell this story in every interview because he was so badass. That's what annoys me. Ofcource Mike was a fool for grabbing a young booty.
But whatever, this was a long time ago, and something personal between Tyson and scarface.

:rofl:......

Teddy Atlas is the most overrated pro trainer in history.

He's even more overrated than Kevin Rooney since most people will say that it wasn't like Rooney was a great trainer, it was just good chemistry with him and Tyson.

Fair enough. Teddy Atlas just did the instinctive thing.

Mike Tyson later became a convicted rapist and this only adds weight to Teddy's idea that he did the right thing by threatening Tyson. What else was Teddy gonna do? Offer Tyson out for a punch-up?

Tyson should have kept his hands to himself.

Just out of curiousity- How did Teddy Atlas get that scar on his face??? I've always wondered.

him and a buddy were ridin around drinking beer

a car cut em off, and then they cut the car off...drama ensued, 4 guys were in their car and he was with a ***** friend who got on the roof of the car they were in,

as ted says he ran up, knocks driver, who he said and i quote 'Was a tall black guy who had a cigarette in his hand'... silly and goes to the next guy, they handle him well until driver regains senses,whips out a blade and gives him the cut..

Teddy Atlas is the most overrated pro trainer in history.

He's even more overrated than Kevin Rooney since most people will say that it wasn't like Rooney was a great trainer, it was just good chemistry with him and Tyson.


I am not on the inside so I really cannot say if Atlas is a bad trainer other than the antics he pulls in the corner during fights or the showing he had with Grant at the end of one of his bouts. Maybe it is OK what he does, maybe not, it depends on the situation, the fighter, and the result(s).


Shannon Briggs and Michael Moorer seem to love the person and think he is very knowledgeable so...

Atlas was also there for part of the building of Mike's "Foundation"

I would not be surprised if Teddy actually knows a hell of a lot more than the majority of trainers out there, but maybe his ego/attitude due to a possible screw loose in his wiring, prevents him from being a good overall trainer. But hey, I do not know the guy.

Remember, this is the same guy who was entrusted with running Cus D'amato's gym. Cus is not going to let some guy who does not know boxing, both in teaching technique and knowing history, run his gym.

For Rooney: Anybody that has watched Tyson from the early part of his career, knows that Tyson improved with every fight leading up to this Title fight with Berbick, and his confidence grew from there until he left Rooney. Rooney used to yell out instructions to Mike during the fight and he listened. If Mike started to slip in his performance in a fight, it was Rooney who instructed him, keeping him on track during fights.

Kevin was not perfect either from what I read; he had his own "issues" to deal with, but who does not.

One thing I do know is that when Mike and Kevin were together, those were some exciting times for boxing.

I am not on the inside so I really cannot say if Atlas is a bad trainer other than the antics he pulls in the corner during fights or the showing he had with Grant at the end of one of his bouts. Maybe it is OK what he does, maybe not, it depends on the situation, the fighter, and the result(s).


Shannon Briggs and Michael Moorer seem to love the person and think he is very knowledgeable so...

Atlas was also there for part of the building of Mike's "Foundation"

I would not be surprised if Teddy actually knows a hell of a lot more than the majority of trainers out there, but maybe his ego/attitude due to a possible screw loose in his wiring, prevents him from being a good overall trainer. But hey, I do not know the guy.

Remember, this is the same guy who was entrusted with running Cus D'amato's gym. Cus is not going to let some guy who does not know boxing, both in teaching technique and knowing history, run his gym.

For Rooney: Anybody that has watched Tyson from the early part of his career, knows that Tyson improved with every fight leading up to this Title fight with Berbick, and his confidence grew from there until he left Rooney. Rooney used to yell out instructions to Mike during the fight and he listened. If Mike started to slip in his performance in a fight, it was Rooney who instructed him, keeping him on track during fights.

Kevin was not perfect either from what I read; he had his own "issues" to deal with, but who does not.

One thing I do know is that when Mike and Kevin were together, those were some exciting times for boxing.

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I recently watched a documentary on Mike Tyson called Fallen Champ: The Untold Story of Mike Tyson. In this movie I learned about when Atlas was working as a trainer with Cus D'Amato at his Catskill Boxing Club. After Cus brought Tyson up to his house in Catskill Mike became a fairly okay kid. But after winning the Junior Olympics he started to become pretty full of himself. It was at this time that Cus started to let Mike do whatever he wanted to. Mike made "lewd and sexual comments" toward a very young girl that Atlas knew. That night when Atlas found out he took him to the empty boxing gym and held a gun to Mike's head and told him that he needed to stop. Three days later Atlas was fired.

This was news to me anyone else?

I thought that it was common knowledge, as Atlas tells the story so very often. The point is that when Atlas held a gun to Tyson's head, Tyson was still only a kid. However, no-one on here can say for sure how out of control Tyson was. If anyone (kid or not) did anything to hurt a member of my family in any way then i'd want to do something about it, and Atlas was taking the only action he knew that Tyson would understand.