Everytime a match I'm looking forward to (Silva/Liddell, Henderson/LiddelL Barnett/Fedor Cro Cop/Coture) something or somebody shits the bed and the fight never happens.

I look forward to seeing Gonzaga getting raped by Couture, thats the only bright side to this situation.

....whatcha trying to say...some fight get cancelled?

....whatcha trying to say...some fight get cancelled?

Since Cro Cop lost, then I'm guessing his fight with Couture in August isn't going to happen now.

ahhhh. ok gotcha...yes indeed everyone was waiting for a cro cop/couture but yes shit happens...who knows maybe gonzaga can put on a good show. Lets just hope Dana dont be involved with the refs in that one hey.

I look forward to seeing Gonzaga getting raped by Couture, thats the only bright side to this situation.


Raped? No sir. I will take Couture to win the decision though. Gonzaga is very good on the ground but Couture is at another level

Raped? No sir. I will take Couture to win the decision though. Gonzaga is very good on the ground but Couture is at another level

You must understand I use the word rape pretty freely. Couture ends it in the 4th round via elbow strikes. Gonzaga is good on the ground, but the fact that Cro Cop isn't also made him look more impressive. I really don't even see the Coutrue fight being that close.

It'll be enjoyable, but not close.

I don't know, Randy himself has admitted his submission game isn't the greatest, but we will see how Gonzaga does against GnP. I think this may be a little closer than you think. I like Gonzaga in this one.

I don't know, Randy himself has admitted his submission game isn't the greatest, but we will see how Gonzaga does against GnP. I think this may be a little closer than you think. I like Gonzaga in this one.

I was worried about him with Cro Cop because of the style match up. This style match up with Randy is very similar, the only difference is Randy is head and shoulders better then him in everything.

Cro Cop has to get matched with Arvolski now or at least that big bitch Tim.

Or they could do what boxing did when Baldomir upset Judah. They could still have the planned 'Superfight' anyway.

Or they could do what boxing did when Baldomir upset Judah. They could still have the planned 'Superfight' anyway.

To the people in the know, thats still one of the top fights to make.

To the average "TUF fan", they will just see it as gimmie for Couture.

The UFC had to **** a perfect thing up. Cro Cop never handled a aggressive wrestler well, so they match him against one who is not only quality on the ground but has pretty decent stand up. Then you add the fact that he doesn't even have a name that will have some value to the business side of things if shit did play out like it did.

The UFC shit the bed big time, ****ing idiots.

its ironic that dana was talking about how pride messed up wanderlai's record and a supposed superfight with liddell but then he goes and does the same thing by not giving crocop a title shot immediately, he's giving jackson a title shot after one lousy fight. it reveals the master plan, to have chuck liddell fight a broken man. it would have been a bad thing if cocop beat couture especially after a great bout against sylvia. couture and liddell are marketable

did you see the look on dana's face when serra beat gsp? he was delighted. why? serra is marketable to new yorkers and he already has the TUF fanbase.

considering they stood up crocop vs gonzaga, something is definitely going on.

its ironic that dana was talking about how pride messed up wanderlai's record and a supposed superfight with liddell but then he goes and does the same thing by not giving crocop a title shot immediately, he's giving jackson a title shot after one lousy fight. it reveals the master plan, to have chuck liddell fight a broken man. it would have been a bad thing if cocop beat couture especially after a great bout against sylvia. couture and liddell are marketable

did you see the look on dana's face when serra beat gsp? he was delighted. why? serra is marketable to new yorkers and he already has the TUF fanbase.

considering they stood up crocop vs gonzaga, something is definitely going on.

Sure Randy is popular as can be, but what makes the highlights is what makes the money. Cro Cop's left leg is a highlight machine. As long as you have a champion who actually fights (not Sylvia) then it's going to make money. So no matter how you look at it, Cro Cop fighting Randy is better then Gonzaga getting the shot.

With the way Rampage has looked post Wand, I see it as a smart move to match them now. He is on the down slope and a loss could happen to him just as easy being I thought Lindland won their fight. Either way, this is just a early Christmas present for Liddell.

I think if Randy is gonna win this fight he needs to go up another level
dont get brainwashed over his Tim Sylvia win, ive said it a million times, Tim Sylvia is garbage and not on these guys level, he was a joke
Id pick Gonzaga as the favourite

I was worried about him with Cro Cop because of the style match up. This style match up with Randy is very similar, the only difference is Randy is head and shoulders better then him in everything.



Everything? I don't think Randy's jiu jitsu is better and I honestly don't think Randy's stand up is better. Randy has better wrestling and GnP.

Man, you guys are acting like whiny titty babies. After watching that Crocop/Gonzaga fight, what makes you think that a Randy/Crocop fight would have gone any different. I think Randy would have approached that fight the same way. Get the takedown and gnp Crocop. Crocop has admitted he was ill prepared for elbows and Randy is a gnp machine. The only difference would have been Crocop wouldn't have gotten such a favorable standup like he did with Gonzaga.

I go to the boxing forum and hear people whine about how the #1 and #2 contender's never fight. That is all the UFC did. You guys act like Gonzaga is a pushover, but Crocop wasn't winning that fight at anytime. You say Gonzaga is a no body, but he is quickly becoming a somebody. He reminds me alot of Big Nog, great submissions with KO power. You're correct styles make fights, but I have no problem with them not grooving an easy title shot for Crocop. All we heard before this fight was how easy a time Crocop would have and now we have people complaining cause it was a bad style matchup.

I'm looking forward to this title fight coming up. I think Gonzaga is a good promising young fighter that will be really good for a long time. He dismantled Crocop fairly easy and I think he will beat Randy. His big challenge will come when he has to face Big Nog.

I agree it isn't the sexy Randy/Crocop fight, but Crocop losing is all on Crocop.

its ironic that dana was talking about how pride messed up wanderlai's record and a supposed superfight with liddell but then he goes and does the same thing by not giving crocop a title shot immediately, he's giving jackson a title shot after one lousy fight. it reveals the master plan, to have chuck liddell fight a broken man. it would have been a bad thing if cocop beat couture especially after a great bout against sylvia. couture and liddell are marketable

did you see the look on dana's face when serra beat gsp? he was delighted. why? serra is marketable to new yorkers and he already has the TUF fanbase.

considering they stood up crocop vs gonzaga, something is definitely going on.

It was Mirko's camp who decided they wanted to wait one more fight. Dana offered CC the title shot before Gonzaga
Mirko thought he was invincible and got the wake up call he needed

I think Mirko's camp was smart to ask for another 'tune up' before fighting Couture, even though it backfired. He really was having a hard time in a cage as opposed to a ring. Even in his first UFC fight vs a guy who just ran it took him way too long to finish. If you ran away in PRIDE, he could cut off the ring and end it quick, it's alot harder to cut off the cage. And Randy is one of the guys who uses the cage to his advantage very well.

Gonzaga = the next big thing

never doubt the guy for a secound. knew he was gon bring it to cro cop.

Everything? I don't think Randy's jiu jitsu is better and I honestly don't think Randy's stand up is better. Randy has better wrestling and GnP.

Man, you guys are acting like whiny titty babies. After watching that Crocop/Gonzaga fight, what makes you think that a Randy/Crocop fight would have gone any different. I think Randy would have approached that fight the same way. Get the takedown and gnp Crocop. Crocop has admitted he was ill prepared for elbows and Randy is a gnp machine. The only difference would have been Crocop wouldn't have gotten such a favorable standup like he did with Gonzaga.

I go to the boxing forum and hear people whine about how the #1 and #2 contender's never fight. That is all the UFC did. You guys act like Gonzaga is a pushover, but Crocop wasn't winning that fight at anytime. You say Gonzaga is a no body, but he is quickly becoming a somebody. He reminds me alot of Big Nog, great submissions with KO power. You're correct styles make fights, but I have no problem with them not grooving an easy title shot for Crocop. All we heard before this fight was how easy a time Crocop would have and now we have people complaining cause it was a bad style matchup.

I'm looking forward to this title fight coming up. I think Gonzaga is a good promising young fighter that will be really good for a long time. He dismantled Crocop fairly easy and I think he will beat Randy. His big challenge will come when he has to face Big Nog.

I agree it isn't the sexy Randy/Crocop fight, but Crocop losing is all on Crocop.

I've seend 4 Zaga fight nows now and I disagree with your assessment. Randy is the far better fighter when you stack him side by side to Zaga. Randy does everything better, plus the big fight experience is priceliess. These are the reasons why I like Randy in this potential match up.

Back to my origianl topic.

You miss understand me, I'm not unhappy that good competitive competeion is happening on a regular basis. I just don't agree with their logic. If you are going to give a realative no name a shot against a top fighter as just a gimmie basically, make sure that fight can post as little trouble for your man as possible. The UFC's ultimate goal was Randy/Cro Cop and then the winner fighting liddell for jackson for the unitfied title. They ****ed it up with their shitty match maker timing and poor advance planning.

I'm glad to see upsets, I just always look forward to one of those "mythical match up type fights: i.e. Fedor/Randy, Chuck/Shogun. Randy/Cro Cop was one of those matches and it's been post ponened cause people dropped the ball.

That was my whole point of this thread.

Gonzaga = the next big thing

never doubt the guy for a secound. knew he was gon bring it to cro cop.

Vera would trouble him along with Arvolski and Nog would finish him inside 3.

I've seend 4 Zaga fight nows now and I disagree with your assessment. Randy is the far better fighter when you stack him side by side to Zaga. Randy does everything better, plus the big fight experience is priceliess. These are the reasons why I like Randy in this potential match up.

Back to my origianl topic.

You miss understand me, I'm not unhappy that good competitive competeion is happening on a regular basis. I just don't agree with their logic. If you are going to give a realative no name a shot against a top fighter as just a gimmie basically, make sure that fight can post as little trouble for your man as possible. The UFC's ultimate goal was Randy/Cro Cop and then the winner fighting liddell for jackson for the unitfied title. They ****ed it up with their shitty match maker timing and poor advance planning.

I'm glad to see upsets, I just always look forward to one of those "mythical match up type fights: i.e. Fedor/Randy, Chuck/Shogun. Randy/Cro Cop was one of those matches and it's been post ponened cause people dropped the ball.

That was my whole point of this thread.

We'll agree to disagree on Randy and Zaga. If you(UFC) are worried about a noname getting an upset, then don't make said superstar fighter fight until he gets the title shot. I think Jens getting knocked out by Lauzon is the perfect example. They gave him a realtively easy fight against a noname and he lost. I firmly believe Jens was going to get the title shot with Sherk and blew it.

We'll agree to disagree on Randy and Zaga. If you(UFC) are worried about a noname getting an upset, then don't make said superstar fighter fight until he gets the title shot. I think Jens getting knocked out by Lauzon is the perfect example. They gave him a realtively easy fight against a noname and he lost. I firmly believe Jens was going to get the title shot with Sherk and blew it.

Agreed then.

I just don't understand the powers to be. They should've brought in Cabbage or Eliers or Monson to hype him up and get that highlight reel left high kick they where expecting.

It hurts from a fan prospective, especially this and working out, close combat practice. MMA fights like DLH/PBF is the things that keep going over here.

It was Mirko's camp who decided they wanted to wait one more fight. Dana offered CC the title shot before Gonzaga
Mirko thought he was invincible and got the wake up call he needed
Didn't Rampage ask for 2 more fights?

Didn't Rampage ask for 2 more fights?

He said he wanted one more tune up fight after Eastman before Liddell, but there is nobody else to have Chcuk their main maker fight. What better oppenent then Rampage..

Army of One, you up for a points bet again? Ill take Rampage for the hell of it

Army of One, you up for a points bet again? Ill take Rampage for the hell of it

Sure all mine against yours

how bout 50 percent of mine against yours?

how bout 50 percent of mine against yours?

That shits is stuipd I have 1,728.73 points, lets bet straight up.

He said he wanted one more tune up fight after Eastman before Liddell, but there is nobody else to have Chcuk their main maker fight. What better oppenent then Rampage..

yeah he said a few times he wasnt ready for chuck yet, I would have liked to see him in atleast one more tune up against someone decent
im not convinced he is back to his best

yeah he said a few times he wasnt ready for chuck yet, I would have liked to see him in atleast one more tune up against someone decent
im not convinced he is back to his best

All the more reason to have him fight him now.

Jackson could continue on with this streak of upsets and there goes some luster to the revenge factor. UFC want's Rapm to look dominat, thats why they show what he did to cuck. Hype it up, paly the revenge angle and Jackson gets done dirt in the end.

yeah he said a few times he wasnt ready for chuck yet, I would have liked to see him in atleast one more tune up against someone decent
im not convinced he is back to his best

Another tune up fight can backfire, and we dont want to see that. Thats why this thread was made, things got ****ed up with the couture/cro cop fight. If this fight between chuck and rampge didnt happen now or soon people are gonna be unpatiently waiting for it..so why wait when we can see it now.

Rampage coming into a fight saying he isnt ready...hmmm sounds like he already beat himself...saying you aint ready for someone before a fight explains alot how the fight would go. Yes Rampage is very strong, nice boxing skills etc, but he aint ready mentally and The Iceman is always ready for anything..isnt that how he got his nickname, very cool before a fight. I say Chuck tko's rampage in round 2.