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RunW/Knives
04-26-2007, 02:34 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_wrestling

You should read about this style for sure if you're not familiar.

75th
04-27-2007, 12:57 AM
There are a few things that I don't understand in life.

My brigs close combat instructor raped me yesterday. He is a 4 degree black belt in Judo if I'm not mistaken. My match with him last about a min. In that min I had my wrist snatched, tossed on my head, got a mouth full of dirt and had a arm bar slapped on me. All the while some worthless camel ****ers and my fellow buddies are laughing while I'm hurting.

Judo or catch wrestling is the single best fighting form hands down.

Josh Barnett is doing his part to make people believers.

RunW/Knives
04-27-2007, 01:07 AM
There are a few things that I don't understand in life.

My brigs close combat instructor raped me yesterday. He is a 4 degree black belt in Judo if I'm not mistaken. My match with him last about a min. In that min I had my wrist snatched, tossed on my head, got a mouth full of dirt and had a arm bar slapped on me. All the while some worthless camel ****ers and my fellow buddies are laughing while I'm hurting.

Judo or catch wrestling is the single best fighting form hands down.

Josh Barnett is doing his part to make people believers.

Agreed with the bold.

Adding strikes to hook techniques and primarily elbows in close hurt like a bitch but beyond that distract and mess with your head.

Once that's accomplished mistakes are made and you go off balance, then comes that whole rag doll feeling that really ****s with you.

It's almost like being totally ****ing toyed with.

75th
04-27-2007, 01:13 AM
Totally agree with you. I tasted my own nuts yesterday in front of about 60 people.

I've always "meant" to get around to training in Judo as I've never actually seen a catch wrestling studio in Houston as it's a pretty dead art from what I know, so I've had to settle with very limited but painful lessons in Judo. When you come in contact with somebody who is good at this shit, it's ****ing scary. I got made to look like such a bitch, I actually got called out by a national afgahn solider after we started drinking.

RunW/Knives
04-27-2007, 01:22 AM
Totally agree with you. I tasted my own nuts yesterday in front of about 60 people.

I've always "meant" to get around to training in Judo as I've never actually seen a catch wrestling studio in Houston as it's a pretty dead art from what I know, so I've had to settle with very limited but painful lessons in Judo. When you come in contact with somebody who is good at this shit, it's ****ing scary. I got made to look like such a bitch, I actually got called out by a national afgahn solider after we started drinking.

My friend Val is from Argentina and he at one point in time trained with Marco Ruas in Brazil. He never learned about catch, but he's always told me to learn it and practice it, BJJ being his strong point and he's taught me a lot about fighting on the ground. What he always tells me is that we can train all day long working submissions and that's fine, but when it comes to standing up I'm a bit weak and that's basically the truth. I have snap on my punches but I'm not hard to take down at all and me defending the takedown is by far the hardest part for me to do in a fight. Offsetting that with Catch fighting is the ideal way to strengthen my standup because it allows me to be offensive without having to stand at punching distance and get ****ing tagged.

I don't like getting hit in the face, but I'll eat some shots. I want to somehow master this style so that I can close the gap and take someone completely off balance without getting my face punched in brutally. If left to my devices I'll just look for a slugfest with someone where we hit eachother and I end up getting tagged bad.

75th
04-27-2007, 01:37 AM
My friend Val is from Argentina and he at one point in time trained with Marco Ruas in Brazil. He never learned about catch, but he's always told me to learn it and practice it, BJJ being his strong point and he's taught me a lot about fighting on the ground. What he always tells me is that we can train all day long working submissions and that's fine, but when it comes to standing up I'm a bit weak and that's basically the truth. I have snap on my punches but I'm not hard to take down at all and me defending the takedown is by far the hardest part for me to do in a fight. Offsetting that with Catch fighting is the ideal way to strengthen my standup because it allows me to be offensive without having to stand at punching distance and get ****ing tagged.

I don't like getting hit in the face, but I'll eat some shots. I want to somehow master this style so that I can close the gap and take someone completely off balance without getting my face punched in brutally. If left to my devices I'll just look for a slugfest with someone where we hit eachother and I end up getting tagged bad.It's good to know the hand you where dealt. To me from my knowledge of fighters and just by looking at you, I'd assume you fight similar to Nick Diaz? Besides the hands aspect which I've always trainined, once I got enlisted and got deeper into it, I started training in krav manga and bjj so thats been over a year now. I'm far from being anything stellar, but my strength and hand eye coordnation allows me to stuff nearly every shoot. I've heard people say strength plays little to no role in bjj, I can call bullshit on that cause I've bullied some "blue belts" and a "brown belt" (this is what was claimed) in army tournys and that was all from brute force and shitty technique. When I got hip tossed it made me realize I've got learning to do yet.

As far as your friend goes, I'd move in with that mother ****er and make him teach me everything he knows, Ruas is a mma legend.

RunW/Knives
04-27-2007, 01:42 AM
It's good to know the hand you where dealt. To me from my knowledge of fighters and just by looking at you, I'd assume you fight similar to Nick Diaz? Besides the hands aspect which I've always trainined, once I got enlisted and got deeper into it, I started training in krav manga and bjj so thats been over a year now. I'm far from being anything stellar, but my strength and hand eye coordnation allows me to stuff nearly every shoot. I've heard people say strength plays little to no role in bjj, I can call bullshit on that cause I've bullied some "blue belts" and a "brown belt" (this is what was claimed) in army tournys and that was all from brute force and shitty technique. When I got hip tossed it made me realize I've got learning to do yet.

As far as your friend goes, I'd move in with that mother ****er and make him teach me everything he knows, Ruas is a mma legend.

Yeah you look pretty compact Knox. I'd hazard to guess you're a pretty formidable wrestler. And if I had to compare myself to anyone I'd say it would be Lee Murray. I always idolized his fighting style and one thing that always stuck in my head from the first time I ever saw him fight was that he was fast on the ground. I try my hardest to be quick on the ground and get to the rear naked as fast as I possibly can. It's the first thing I ever look for in any type of combat situation, and it's by far my best facet in fighting.

I've made many people tap or just about pass out in doing it.

75th
04-27-2007, 01:47 AM
I've always prided myself on being like Liddell but different.

Meaning I'm a primary stand up fighter, with decent takedown defense (not trying to draw ANY comparsion between myself or Chuck skill wise), but I'm almost always the aggressor instead of countering.

I like to dicate the pace of a fight, helps me get in that nice little pocket and unload.

As far as Lee Murray, how many millions did that son of a bitch steal?

RunW/Knives
04-27-2007, 01:54 AM
I've always prided myself on being like Liddell but different.

Meaning I'm a primary stand up fighter, with decent takedown defense (not trying to draw ANY comparsion between myself or Chuck), but I'm almost always the aggressor.

I like to dicate the pace of a fight, helps me get in that nice little pocket and unload.

As far as Lee Murray, how many millions did that son of a bitch steal?

Yeah I really need to box, I've never been trained in boxing my entire life and I know little about footwork. But I do know I can crack because I work pretty hard, and have seen myself get faster and stronger.

as for Murray:

Hell I'm not sure but I think he bought a bunch of drugs and was planning on starting a criminal enterprise. A poster on here said he was stuck in Morrocco and wasn't allowed to leave there ever again.

Bad news Lee is and bad news for MMA because he needs to come back.

75th
04-27-2007, 02:04 AM
The first time I set foot in a boxing gym was age 11, so I've got a leg up on the majority of all mma up and comers. Not very good in submissions, I mainly just concern myself with how to avoid them instead of throwing them on a oppenent in a fight.

Always liked Murray, became a huge fan after he knocked Tito the **** out outside some night club.

I'm always trying to convince the higher ups the best thing the DOD could do is to sponsor a fighter in each weight class, in each division. They would be like all other fighters, but just Soldiers, Marines, sailors (which is doubtful, sissy mother ****ers) Just a idea......

75th
04-27-2007, 05:57 PM
I trained 3 plus hrs in Judo rolling.

I'm getting better fast, working on opening up my hips, they're crazy tight.

Liaison
04-28-2007, 12:33 AM
Nothing Josh really doesn’t truly represents Catch very well, **** I can’t think of anyone apart from those dogs with Shooto (Saku maybe but it’s unorthodox) that does really and a lot of that isn’t "proper" catch as that isn’t really taught in a lot of gyms.

It’s a dieing art in the US maybe but it still thrives in North England and many of the local mma fighters (and pro wrestlers) there train in it. Revival in the US could only happen if we see an influx of catch competitors at American wrestling events and that isn’t gonna happen soon as a lot just don’t like it.

Organik
04-29-2007, 12:44 AM
Nothing Josh really doesn’t truly represents Catch very well, **** I can’t think of anyone apart from those dogs with Shooto (Saku maybe but it’s unorthodox) that does really and a lot of that isn’t "proper" catch as that isn’t really taught in a lot of gyms.

It’s a dieing art in the US maybe but it still thrives in North England and many of the local mma fighters (and pro wrestlers) there train in it. Revival in the US could only happen if we see an influx of catch competitors at American wrestling events and that isn’t gonna happen soon as a lot just don’t like it.

Nice post man, as for the Saku reference, I once read in a bio that catch wrestling was indeed the style that Saku picked up following his college wrestling days which I found rather interesting considering the fact that Japan is the land of Judo and Jujitsu, though I'm sure Saku must be familiar at least with Judo, most Japanese have at least some familiarity and in his case I'd be shocked if he couldnt do Judo, i was just surprized that catch wrestling was his main style of grappling, I expected a japanese art, and his level of skill is very considerable so I guess that tells you somthin about catch.

Organik
04-29-2007, 12:55 AM
I trained 3 plus hrs in Judo rolling.

I'm getting better fast, working on opening up my hips, they're crazy tight.

I personally love Judo and I think its a good style, but I'd be hard pressed to consider Judo one of the top styles, it is very limited and most guys who do Judo exclusively do not have the tools to deal with guys not wearing the gi, and the ground game is hardly emphasized, it is primarily a throwing art. I believe that the success of some Judokas against Jujitsu fighters, and in MMA is simply due to there extremely high degree of proficiency, Judo competition is very fierce and a guy like Yoshida has absolutly extraordinary skill, both in terms of Judo and athletics. In general though I just find the style to be far to limited. I have found success in Judo coming from a wrestling background, I am very difficult to throw and have enough applicable wrestling technique (along with some straight Judo) to make my throws come out ok, I achieved a brown belt in just 6 months and won several tournies in the brown division, but haven't done it much lately:nonono: I do think wrestling is superior in terms of takedowns and ground control though. However, Judo is a very great sport, both to watch and to partake in, its very near the top of the list for me. If you enjoy it, please keep doing it, it is a very great sport, just dont overestimate its effectiveness in MMA, simply for your own sake- some applies but its far from complete.