There is this thread thats ongoing bout who among pac, winky and pbf do we think is the P4P king.... as a pac fan, normally i would choose pac but via a close margin, in fact too close that i wouldnt care who among these 3 gets it. dont get me wrong but i love watching pbf and winky execute their skills almost always perfectly.

then i come to think, why dont i list down the last 10 fights each of these guys faced and rate them (1-5). while i was at it, i tried putting points according to the outcome of the fight:3 = won without a doubt
2 = won but contestable
1 = draw but arguably won
0 = draw without a doubt/NC/ND
-1 = draw but arguably lose
-2 = lose but contestable
-3 = lose without a doubt
then i came up with this by multiplying the rating with the multiplier and then adding them all up ......

ratings are subjective but i guess, it somewhat gave me new insight in settling the close and tightly contested P4P rankings

(i never tried this with the top 10 p4p list but it will hold, i guess)


Chadmack = bored working from home :D

on your rating system the loss of pac to morales (-12) in the first fight, it cost him 12 BIG points, and the draw with Marquez (+5) only added 5 points ...

p4p is really very subjective, those two fights i mentioned above the way they were fought gave pac more POGI points p4p wise, and soldified even more his stake at the top 10 p4p list, rather than his wins against vasquez (+9) and lucero (+9)...

it is really hard to quantify p4p status, but i guess that's what make p4p discussions last forever ... lol

on your rating system the loss of pac to morales (-12) in the first fight, it cost him 12 BIG points, and the draw with Marquez (+5) only added 5 points ...

p4p is really very subjective, those two fights i mentioned above the way they were fought gave pac more POGI points p4p wise, and soldified even more his stake at the top 10 p4p list, rather than his wins against vasquez (+9) and lucero (+9)...

it is really hard to quantify p4p status, but i guess that's what make p4p discussions last forever ... lol
exactly, but if there were some kind of rating or measurements that can be used then p4p rankings would be somewhat systematic instead of being subjective.

but if you try to take a look at my "experiment" considering only this year and last years fights(afterall p4p rankings are based on recent bouts) then divide it by the number of fights, you'll get a more interesting results.

:D

nice work there chad :)



but in rating the fighters. morales = 4 barrera = 5 it all comes back to being SUBJECTIVE.

you're right at least we can use a system and have numbers on it.

p4p = SUBJECTIVE :D

nice work there chad :)



but in rating the fighters. morales = 4 barrera = 5 it all comes back to being SUBJECTIVE.

you're right at least we can use a system and have numbers on it.

p4p = SUBJECTIVE :D
i know that, but i cant give EM a 5 during those bouts with PAC . . .

anyway, try using this and give your subjective ratings to their opponents but you gotta use the multiplier as it is. then try to rate pbf and winky's opponents as well :D

as ive mentioned, if you use this tool and rate their bouts since the previous year, then this tool is somewhat usable to rate P4P rankings.

last year we all know why pac was boxing his way as P4P #1 is because of 2 dominating wins with EM and one with the blown up larios, if you compare them to PBF and Winky's bouts last year, pac would easily be p4p #1 with this tool.

the hard part here is rating the opponents ...

now we have to find a way to rating figthers more systematic .... he he

Marco is definetly a 5 when he fought PAC (top 3 p4p) this is easy...
Erik is good at 4 but can be questionable he was 1 of 4 the last 4 fights...
But i cant see how Lucero is only 1 point away from Erik ...
If Judah is a 4 Baldomir should be a 5 he beat him fair and square ...
Castillo should be a 5 when he fought PBF he was the top dog at that time ...
Ike Quartey is not 2 ...

both PAC & WINKY fought guys who where in the p4p top 10, but with a difference PAC usually fought them going UP in weight ...

PBF have yet to fight a P4P guy, I think Castillo was not yet on the list at that time they fought ...

if we only take 2006 PAC is P4P king ...

and lastly i dont think PAC is TOP P4P overall, i think he is a fight or two off the mark ... but PAC will take it if PBF loose to ODLH ...

ayush yung multiplier kaya lang subjective yung rating. Ang maganda dito e na QUANTIFY mo at magandang batayan yan para sa ranking nila sa p4p. Submit mo yan sa ring mag.

the hard part here is rating the opponents ...


now we have to find a way to rating figthers more systematic .... he he
agreed, this is a part where consensus would kick in, in rating fighters

Marco is definetly a 5 when he fought PAC (top 3 p4p) this is easy...
Erik is good at 4 but can be questionable he was 1 of 4 the last 4 fights...
But i cant see how Lucero is only 1 point away from Erik ...
Lucero was considered to be good during those days, he was undefeated with impressive wins and was somewhat perceived to be great. Erik however(during the first meeting) was somewhat questionable to be a 5. he only remained a 4 in the 2nd and 3rd because of his fighting heart but questionable if he is still the warrior he once was.
If Judah is a 4 Baldomir should be a 5 he beat him fair and square ...
ratings wasnt intended to be this way, though.
Castillo should be a 5 when he fought PBF he was the top dog at that time ...
JLC was the top dog alright in his division but he's not a 5, he wasnt even considered to be in the P4P top 10 then...
Ike Quartey is not 2 ...
now I would agree with this :D

both PAC & WINKY fought guys who where in the p4p top 10, but with a difference PAC usually fought them going UP in weight ...

PBF have yet to fight a P4P guy, I think Castillo was not yet on the list at that time they fought ...

if we only take 2006 PAC is P4P king ...

and lastly i dont think PAC is TOP P4P overall, i think he is a fight or two off the mark ... but PAC will take it if PBF loose to ODLH ...

comments in red. i guess with consensus with the fighters rating during the time of the bout, this tool would QUANTIFY things for P4P basis.

anyway, i should have had noted only fights from the beginning of last year to the present, afterall P4P rankings should be based on current performances.

reason for me coming up with this is simply because everyone have some sort of bias, especially when making top 10. endless debate with neither conceding would make p4p rankings pointless. but if we only just have a tool to measure things up, i guess it will speak volumes in itself. :boxing:

ayush yung multiplier kaya lang subjective yung rating. Ang maganda dito e na QUANTIFY mo at magandang batayan yan para sa ranking nila sa p4p. Submit mo yan sa ring mag.

he he he yung fighter of the year naman kaya ang i-analyze ni chad kung bakit naging fighter of the year si pac last year?

he he he yung fighter of the year naman kaya ang i-analyze ni chad kung bakit naging fighter of the year si pac last year?dahil nga sa sya yung ano...aahhhhh...u noh...i...i...thank da president and ol da pipol por their support... u noh .... :D

tangna hindi ko rin alam kung papano... analyze... u noh...

comments in red. i guess with consensus with the fighters rating during the time of the bout, this tool would QUANTIFY things for P4P basis.

anyway, i should have had noted only fights from the beginning of last year to the present, afterall P4P rankings should be based on current performances.

reason for me coming up with this is simply because everyone have some sort of bias, especially when making top 10. endless debate with neither conceding would make p4p rankings pointless. but if we only just have a tool to measure things up, i guess it will speak volumes in itself. :boxing:

he he bro maybe make another system to quantify fighters rating bro ...

and i have another question how can we quantify fight performance??

usually when you beat a p4p fighter you get on the list, but i remember JMM was not p4p top 10 before he fought PAC but with the draw he jump in the list and majority if not all critics agreed to this, his performance on that fight alone solidify his elite status as a fighter ...

he he he yung fighter of the year naman kaya ang i-analyze ni chad kung bakit naging fighter of the year si pac last year?

based doon sa table ni preng chad pac has 34pts swak na swak sa fighter of the year, hehe ...

he he bro maybe make another system to quantify fighters rating bro ...

and i have another question how can we quantify fight performance??

usually when you beat a p4p fighter you get on the list, but i remember JMM was not p4p top 10 before he fought PAC but with the draw he jump in the list and majority if not all critics agreed to this, his performance on that fight alone solidify his elite status as a fighter ...



yeah, i thought so :D maybe this tool need some polishing. i think fight performance can be quantify by the multiplier, maybe it too does need more figures like considering exceptional performance, come from behind rally, lucky punch etc. need more points to consider for this to be accepted.

anyway, JMM became top 10 p4p before cause scribes realized that they overlooked this exceptionally skilled boxer, maybe because he wasnt fighting EM or MAB or Hamed(the yardsticks of the division). but he dropped out of the top 10 after a few months cause of the quality of opponents he fought but got back again when he beat MAB. i know where you are going with that question cause i asked that myself before, but since he dropped out of the top 10 after fighting lesser opponents and even lose, i just never bother. :D


maybe i ought to consult larry merchant with this since he wont be around hbo commentary, maybe he can put some idea or two hehehe :D

lets rate the upcoming fights...

how would you rate these guys?
pbf - 5
odlh - 4
taylor - 5
hopkins - 5
frietas - 4
diaz - 4
boomboom - 3
medina - 3

is this objective enough? :D

i think the tool is simple enough and good enough to show numbers that we use a basis to rank our p4p ... it will get more complicated if we set or get figures to quantify exceptional performance and the likes ....

pbf - 5 definetly
odlh - 4 (maybe to high for a semi retired fighter)
taylor - 5 (so far tops in his class, but vulnerable)
hopkins - 5 (beat the man at higher weight class)
frietas - 4 (first step to taking 5 in LW)
diaz - 4 (first step to taking 5 in LW)
boomboom - 3 (unbeaten up and comer)
medina - 3 (unbeaten up and comer)

on the ratings i only question ODLH's "4", but maybe his SIZE is a 4 against a smaller opponent in PBF...

i think the tool is simple enough and good enough to show numbers that we use a basis to rank our p4p ... it will get more complicated if we set or get figures to quantify exceptional performance and the likes ....

pbf - 5 definetly
odlh - 4 (maybe to high for a semi retired fighter)
taylor - 5 (so far tops in his class, but vulnerable)
hopkins - 5 (beat the man at higher weight class)
frietas - 4 (first step to taking 5 in LW)
diaz - 4 (first step to taking 5 in LW)
boomboom - 3 (unbeaten up and comer)
medina - 3 (unbeaten up and comer)

on the ratings i only question ODLH's "4", but maybe his SIZE is a 4 against a smaller opponent in PBF...


i could rate dlh as high as 5 kasi sa career naman nya he hasn't been lost that much or that worst (ang pinakamasama lang nyang talo ay yung kay b-hop via 9th rd ko). pero b-hop is a natural middleweight at no. 1 sya nung time na nilabanan sya ni dlh. paano kung let say, talunin ni dlh si pbf, eh di aakyat na sya as the no. 1 p4p? LOL. nakakalito talaga tong pagclassify sa p4p rankings na to...

i could rate dlh as high as 5 kasi sa career naman nya he hasn't been lost that much or that worst (ang pinakamasama lang nyang talo ay yung kay b-hop via 9th rd ko). pero b-hop is a natural middleweight at no. 1 sya nung time na nilabanan sya ni dlh. paano kung let say, talunin ni dlh si pbf, eh di aakyat na sya as the no. 1 p4p? LOL. nakakalito talaga tong pagclassify sa p4p rankings na to...

yung rating ni delahoya mahirap nga i-rate, kasi ang dalang na ng laban nya, pero hindi ko sya mabibigyan ng "5" sa laban nila ni PBF, kapag tinalo nya si PBF sigurado "5" na sya uli ...

tol tingin ko not automatic na ma-occupy mo yung position sa p4p standing kapag tinalo mo yung p4p fighter tulad noong ke pac si MAB nasa top 3 during that time pero ang entry point ni pac is around 7-8 yata yun ...

palagay ko pag tinalo ni Oscar si PBF sigurado papasok sya uli sa top 10, hindi ko lang tiyak kung papasok sya sa top 5 ...

yung rating ni delahoya mahirap nga i-rate, kasi ang dalang na ng laban nya, pero hindi ko sya mabibigyan ng "5" sa laban nila ni PBF, kapag tinalo nya si PBF sigurado "5" na sya uli ...

tol tingin ko not automatic na ma-occupy mo yung position sa p4p standing kapag tinalo mo yung p4p fighter tulad noong ke pac si MAB nasa top 3 during that time pero ang entry point ni pac is around 7-8 yata yun ...

palagay ko pag tinalo ni Oscar si PBF sigurado papasok sya uli sa top 10, hindi ko lang tiyak kung papasok sya sa top 5 ...

dehado si dlh dito sa laban na to kay pbf. pwera na lang kung iibahin nya strategy at magiging pressure fighter sya gaya ni castillo nung nilabanan nya si mayweather. counter-puncher tong si dlh, malabo yatang i-adapt nya yung style na di naman sya comportable. ano sa tingin mo, bro. i'd like dlh to win kasi sobrang yayabang na talaga tong si pbf pag nanalo pa eh he he he.

dehado si dlh dito sa laban na to kay pbf. pwera na lang kung iibahin nya strategy at magiging pressure fighter sya gaya ni castillo nung nilabanan nya si mayweather. counter-puncher tong si dlh, malabo yatang i-adapt nya yung style na di naman sya comportable. ano sa tingin mo, bro. i'd like dlh to win kasi sobrang yayabang na talaga tong si pbf pag nanalo pa eh he he he.

tingin ko naman basta maging agresibo lang si Oscar at i maintain nya sa buong laban, makalusot lang sya ng ilang solid na suntok magbabago tema ng laban...

maganda talaga depensa ni pbf at kung unti unti lang suntok na bibitawan ni Oscar matatalo sya...dapat bato lang ng bato kahit counter punching...

tulad mo gusto ko rin manalo si oscar, kasi hindi ko nman gusto si floyd saka lalo ng may tsansa sa no. 1 p4p si pac ...lol

tingin ko naman basta maging agresibo lang si Oscar at i maintain nya sa buong laban, makalusot lang sya ng ilang solid na suntok magbabago tema ng laban...

maganda talaga depensa ni pbf at kung unti unti lang suntok na bibitawan ni Oscar matatalo sya...dapat bato lang ng bato kahit counter punching...

tulad mo gusto ko rin manalo si oscar, kasi hindi ko nman gusto si floyd saka lalo ng may tsansa sa no. 1 p4p si pac ...lol

aahahaha

ako rin nun i wanted oscar to KTFO PBF. kaso i have 5000 reasons why i have to side with PBF :D

yan din tingin ko, sigurado kasing nde pwedeng makipagsabayan tong si PBF. malaki sigurado ang power discrepancy between the two. but PBF is wise enough to evade the much bigger and stronger ODLH.

siguro walang pinagkaiba tong laban na to sa RJJ-John Ruiz bout. me brief exchanges but most of the time eh hit and run lang ang gagawin ng mas maliit at mas mabilis na boxer... mafrufrustrate si ODLH sa laban na ito and kapag naggive in sya sa frustrations na yun eh magpapakawala ng mga bombs tong isa para patigilin si PBF sa pagtakbo and eventually mapapagod si ODLH at yung superior handspeed and smarts ni PBF will prevail.

he he buti ako walang mawawala sino man manalo sa dalawa, he he

tingin ko tol malaki pagkaiba sa RJJ-Ruiz fight, although yung gameplan, style at skill ni PBF would be similar ke RJJ, tingin ko naman malaki angat ni Oscar ke Ruiz in terms of skill at p4p power...

pero tama ka preng chad pag na frustrate si Oscar, floyd will surely explot the situation...

sa tingin ko magiging parang leonard-duran 2 ang laban na to

sa tingin ko magiging parang leonard-duran 2 ang laban na to

the "no mas" bout? if i remember it correctly, close yung laban na yun until nung 8th round tapos nag walkout si duran... tama di ba? yung first bout nila nanalo si duran on points, 2nd eh yung no mas tapos yung 3rd eh sugar ray tinambakan nya si duran.

ang tanong, sino ang duran at leonard kina pbf at odlh? :D


welcome back nga pala pareng czars, been a long time, buti nadalaw ka.

thanks :) odlh will be duran - the agressor ; pbf will be leonard - the "avoiding one" :D

miss ya guys!!

thanks :) odlh will be duran - the agressor ; pbf will be leonard - the "avoiding one" :D

miss ya guys!!

o nga, nakakamiss yung dating tambayan. wala na tambay ngayon eh, dalaw na lang lahat. sana magbalikan na kayo nila nadz, happy, ak, naging pictures lounge na lang tong tambayan natin :D (di naman ako nagrereklamo though hehehehe)

o nga, nakakamiss yung dating tambayan. wala na tambay ngayon eh, dalaw na lang lahat. sana magbalikan na kayo nila nadz, happy, ak, naging pictures lounge na lang tong tambayan natin :D (di naman ako nagrereklamo though hehehehe)

sa totoo lang pre, kaya mejo nawalan na rin ako ng gana... parang nawalan ng saysay ang lounge natin kase puro nude pix na lang. not to be hypocrite pero parang nakakahiya kse ang hanap na lang ng ibang lahi sa atin mga sexy pix ng mga pinays natin... parang nakaka-downgrade din tol.

tapos di ko basta-basta mabuksan ang mga forums dito kase bigla na lang may bubulaga na nude pix, madalas kase dito ako sa shop ng pinsan ko, tapos may mga bata.

bihira na lang ako makakita ng mga topic na may sense... sensya na pre kung mejo KJ ako ngayon ha... just being honest:luvbed:

sa totoo lang pre, kaya mejo nawalan na rin ako ng gana... parang nawalan ng saysay ang lounge natin kase puro nude pix na lang. not to be hypocrite pero parang nakakahiya kse ang hanap na lang ng ibang lahi sa atin mga sexy pix ng mga pinays natin... parang nakaka-downgrade din tol.

tapos di ko basta-basta mabuksan ang mga forums dito kase bigla na lang may bubulaga na nude pix, madalas kase dito ako sa shop ng pinsan ko, tapos may mga bata.

bihira na lang ako makakita ng mga topic na may sense... sensya na pre kung mejo KJ ako ngayon ha... just being honest:luvbed:

hehehe understood bro, nung una naman eh SPAMS ang nagpaalis sa tambay talaga, ngayon spam pa rin in a form of pix.

ako nga laging nakadisable yung pix eh, unless pag libre eh naglulurk ako dun sa mga pix threads dito, but most of the times, disabled lang talaga pix display ng browser(mas mabilis din iload ang page pag ganyan :D)

anyway, sana lang maisipan mong dumalas dalas dito, pwede namang magsimula ulit sa discussions eh.

Mga tropa wag kayong masyadong nagpapaniwala sa mga Amerikanong yan. They will say anything to keep an American fighter as p4p king.

Head-to-head, in terms of resume, which is supposed to be the main criteria for a fighter's value, talo ni Pacquiao si Floyd. Who are Floyd's best wins? Castillo, Corrales, Baldomir, DelaHoya. Was there any p4p top ten fighter among these 4 when Floyd fought them? Wala. Maraming nagsabi na natalo si Floyd kay JLC sa unang laban. Chico was besot with legal problems when he faced Floyd, and was definitely not p4p top ten that time. Baldomir (10 losses), DelaHoya (matanda na, bading pa!). Now compare this with Pac's best four: MAB, JMM, Morales, Ledwaba. Need I say anything more?

Pagkatapos, isipin nyo kung paano natalo ni Pac ang mga ito. By way of ****ing KNOCKOUT!

Anong ginawa ni Floyd kay DLH? Tumakbo! Kay Baldo? Tumakbo! Kay Castillo? Natalo!

I'm not even going to the excitment that Pac brings in a fight. Halos lahat ng aspeto, talo ni Pacquiao si Floyd Mayweather.

Just think of it, had Ring correctly declared Pac as p4p king di dapat nasa Yahoo headlines si Pacquiao a month ago. That will probably be the first and last time a Filipino will ever make the headlines of Yahoo.

hattons gonna take p4p no1 when he beats mayweather :)