I would like to hear everyones opinion on why we are fighting this war
And i hope we can have an intelligent convo without flaming for once

What war would that be.

with Iraq

So that ten years down the line North America and the rest of the rational free world doesn't get bombared with nerve gas and other chemical weapons for being "infidels" practicing the wrong religion and living freely.

Sorry you guys say your going to fight everybody.

im with u on that rydawg

Oil. We need it, they got it. And What Rydawg said......

Originally posted by RyDawg
So that ten years down the line North America and the rest of the rational free world doesn't get bombared with nerve gas and other chemical weapons for being "infidels" practicing the wrong religion and living freely.

Your going to war for something that they haven't even done yet?

Originally posted by gman
Sorry you guys say your going to fight everybody.


U are right. We get involved in everything. We are considered the police of the world. If we didnt do this who would. All the countries who are not on our side on this are *******s cuz they dont care if a man who has killed over a million of his own ppl with biological and chemical weapons is still making weapons.

We are doing the right thing in this situation

so well just wait till they kill innocent ppl

Originally posted by gman
Your going to war for something that they haven't even done yet?

They've killed plenty of their neighbors, and have you ever stopped to think why it's not much of a tourist spot anymore? Maybe because that area of the world gets a kick out of killing Americans. It's not our fault our country is like the ****ing modern day Rome.

Everyone else can eat **** and die, we're on the top and staying there.

morden day rome
I like that
that is a good anology fro the US

You don't get it why would you try and destory a governement that can hardlley support it's self. 450$ u.s. is the annunals income. One-fourth of Iraqi children under the age of five are malnourished. "Smart Bombs" dropped by the U.S. 11 years ago targeted water treatment plants, sewage treatment plants, power plants, schools and hospitals. As many as 70 percent of Iraqi women suffer from anemia. School enrollment for all ages (6 - 23) has declined to 53 percent. After the September 11th attack, many high ranking officials as well as the media asked for a military attack against Iraq similar to the ongoing US military operations in Afghanistan, even though so far there has been no evidence linking the Iraqi regime to the terrorist operations in New York and Washington. Although they argue that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a constant source of threat to global peace and security, and hence should be eliminated, the fact is that any military strike against Iraq can destabilize the whole Middle East and create more problems for the international community, including the United States. If you want to help sent relief aid and don't bomb this country into a state worst then it already is.

http://www.rmpjc.org/STOP-THE-WAR-AGAINST-IRAQ/

Ok, let's just settle this right now.. it's a ****ing WAR. If they're gonna strap bombs to their children and send them after our soldiers, like all the ****ing ***** nations of the world do, then I say we can do whatever the **** we want. It's WAR, man. Nuke their ****ing hospitals, poison their ****ing water, and if they're gonna strap bombs to little Habib, stack the pre-pubescent corpses to the ****ing moon for all I care. Why the **** would I send relief money to those flag-burning cunts when I have millions of homeless in my own country? Seriously.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

well just let them make weapons of mass destruction because they have a terrible economy due to thier president who lives in palaces and spends his time and money making chemical weapons

You call yourself the police of the world when you have done nothing to does the job in recent events. Killing is still wrong. You can not impose your rule on every single country that has different views from yours. Respect others and they will respect you. You have a right to defend your self but you can't acttack a country without any proof of wrong doing. If iraq asked you to show them your all you weapon stock piles would you.

dammit gman
we have never went out and killed innocent ppl with chemical weapons, they are mandated to show us thier nuclear weapons by the UN and the UN hates us

We don't impose our will on anyone. It's not our fault that American culture is the mutha****in ****. I think you'd have a different tone if Canada was in the center of the Middle East, instead of riding big bro America's back.

How many inocent people has iraq killed.

Originally posted by gman
Respect others and they will respect you.


We should respect a man who killed over a million innocent ppl and is making weapons of mass destruction?

I hate to say this but Gman has some good points.
Of course all any of us know is what the media tells us and we all know how good they are at telling the truth.

im pretty sure they killed about 1.2 million ppl

im gonna ask you guys a question?

What if we leave Iraq alone?

What proof do you have. How many people have you killed in war, how many gun deaths do you have in a year, how many guns do you sell to other countrys that are used to kill people by someone else hand. So you can sit back and act as if you are all knowing.

What makes you all knowing Gman? Why the **** do you care who we fight? You shouldnt worry till my plans to invade Canada are under way.....

Originally posted by gman
What proof do you have. How many people have you killed in war, how many gun deaths do you have in a year, how many guns do you sell to other countrys that are used to kill people by someone else hand. So you can sit back and act as if you are all knowing.

wtf

this **** is irrelevant to the topic

I don't mind if you over throw thier government if you have proof of wrong doing. But you don't have the proof, that just it.

Originally posted by Christopher Chaos
morden day rome
I like that
that is a good anology fro the US

Bad anology, well if your from the us....Rome feel to barbarines that were dumb and and seemed third world at that time

Rome=usa Iraq=Barbarines.....see why I dont like that Anology.

good point big-g

Originally posted by kaps
What makes you all knowing Gman?

Nothing makes me all knowing. I still have a right to give my say. I still care about whats happening to the world.

So what if Iraq wiped-out the Kurds. Does it look like I care.....Does anyone care. I highly doubt it. The Turks whiped out the Armenains and did anyone care about that? Pretty sure they didn't. What if the US leaves Iraq alone? Probably nothing I say. It's what happens if they attack and Iraq gets desperate that worries me. But not too much because I am way the **** over hear in Canada and all they will do if try to destroy Israel.

They make weapons of mass destruction
They have killed innocent ppl with them before
Do you guys understand this?

We should go over there if they attack another country or any country without just cause. They have yet to do that.

so were gonna wait for them to kill innocent ppl?

Wars are so unpredictible

All I know is that Alexander the great was the best Genearal in the history of war.

Yes you can not see the future so you can not act on something that has not happened yet. If somebody beat some one up in a bar fight. Can we put in jail for life because he could kill some one.

By the way I like that were finally talking about some world issues here.

They have oil, we want oil, we take what we want because we can......

They are not supposed to be making any more weapons and they are supposed to allow full acces to investigators to look around.
did these happen-- no

G-man u do make relevant points, but i feel this war must be fought

Why don't you develop new techonolgy so you don't have to depend on them.

oil is also a part of this war which i think is the only ****ed up parrt of the war

of course they are trying

Originally posted by Christopher Chaos
They are not supposed to be making any more weapons and they are supposed to allow full acces to investigators to look around.
did these happen-- no



Of course this brings up the point that no nation has to cooperate with the UN if they don't want to. The UN has no authority of anyone and it only makes suggestions with no binding power whatsoever.

good point and i personally hate the UN,
but do you think they should be allowed to make weapons of mass destruction?

I feel you guys have tomany problems at home right now to attack iraq anyways.

The United States sanctions already have killed 500,000 children under five and at least 1 million people total. And that doesn't take into account the diseases that have killed because Iraqis can't get medicine, economic collapse brought on by the Gulf War, and starvation caused by Iraqis not having access to food. Do these children really need a war on top of all that?
http://www.unicef.org/newsline/99pr29.htm

Originally posted by gman
I feel you guys have tomany problems at home right now to attack iraq anyways.

The United States sanctions already have killed 500,000 children under five and at least 1 million people total. And that doesn't take into account the diseases that have killed because Iraqis can't get medicine, economic collapse brought on by the Gulf War, and starvation caused by Iraqis not having access to food. Do these children really need a war on top of all that?
http://www.unicef.org/newsline/99pr29.htm

u sound like a liberal

but we should of let them kill the ppl all around them then right?

Originally posted by Christopher Chaos
good point and i personally hate the UN,
but do you think they should be allowed to make weapons of mass destruction?
Yes. They are a soverign nation and every soverign nation has the right to do what the **** it wants to within it's own borders. If they want to kill half their population they can go right ahead. It's only when they venture outside they're own borders that anyone has the right to get involved. Until such a time as they prove to be hostile toward a neighbor again no other counrty or organization has any right to interfer in there own business. That's just the way things work, even when it seems ****ed up. How would you like it if the King of England just walked into your house?

I am a liberal.
I understand that killing is wrong and I stated that before but who have they killed. It hard to prove all these wrong doings with out using here say and second hand information.

i dont give a**** what anyone says we are doing the right thing

Im gonna do some HW and then go to bed nice debating with you guys we can pick this up tommorow

Plus

The marshlands of Iraq provide an environment for traditional agriculture, fishing, hunting, and other life-sustaining activities. Iraq is also home to unique and endangered species, some of which already have been lost. Another war in the region would surely endanger the precious marshlands and unique species further.

http://www.shinybluegrasshopper.com/nowar/

Don't hurt the animals.

They have modles of electric cars that run just as good as gas powerd one...but the gas companies pay car compaines to not put them on the market.

so the ****ing reason the usa is fighting this war is cause of some billionair asswhole.

Being an engineering student I think that hydrogen cell cars are the future.

Originally posted by gman
Plus

The marshlands of Iraq provide an environment for traditional agriculture, fishing, hunting, and other life-sustaining activities. Iraq is also home to unique and endangered species, some of which already have been lost. Another war in the region would surely endanger the precious marshlands and unique species further.

http://www.shinybluegrasshopper.com/nowar/

Don't hurt the animals.

yeah i heard they have alot of cool animals their.

Originally posted by gman
Being an engineering student I think that hydrogen cell cars are the future.

yeah i heard about them...man g-man how old are you. I think you llok younger then you are...execpt for the balding part.

I'm 18 second time I have been asked that today.

Why the **** do you retarded canadians care about this, if it was a convo about maple sirup or hockey then sure I can see how it would apply to you......

Why do we care because we are the voice of reason. We have all the freedoms of an american with the brains to do something with it.

Like what, what exactly do you do? Nothing, you ***** about what the Americans are doing. What the **** does canada contribute to the world?

I don't know. We make good beer. What has the states done.

Originally posted by kaps
Why the **** do you retarded canadians care about this, if it was a convo about maple sirup or hockey then sure I can see how it would apply to you......

What the hell is with you an maple syrup? And where the hell do they produce this stuff in Canada? I've never heard of anyone how ever had anything to do with maple syrup in my entire life.

I agree with hockey , if it it within their borders it is theur borders , but we were attacked unsolicided. The terorists shall die and all countries that harbor them must expect to be attacted also. and all teh people that fund the terrorism are equally responsable. They shall be made an example to the rest of the world what will happen if we are ****ed with.

Colin powell is speaking to the Un now.

That should go over like a Led Zepplin

He giving photo's or weapon site's. Diagrams of weapon producing moblie vechiles, Video of a iraq jet delivering a chemical weapon by air. He's starting to turn me over.

Now he has voice tape of Miltary officals talking about removing nerve agents.

all these discussions are pointless really.war is going to happen.i will be a voice and say **** all those ass holes over there.a nation like that can't have weapons like they do cause they might use them and that can't happen.if that means we have to go over there and attack water supplys and drop napalm bombs all over the ****in place and kill everyone, then so be it.better over there than over here.people will die, yes.but, people will live.iraq could turn into a democracy like the us in 100 years if we over throw it.that means that free people will live there in peace.if it stays the way it is, it's never gonna happen.i say we put ou foot up sadaams ass, take over the land and dish it out in equal amounts to the un and then head over to north korea and do the same thing to kim jongg.now it is the united states of north korea.has a good ring to it, don't you think

Colin powell gave some more info then before and thats what I was waiting for. I don't know anymore.

Hoax!

we need to take action!

Originally posted by kaps
What makes you all knowing Gman? Why the **** do you care who we fight? You shouldnt worry till my plans to invade Canada are under way.....

I don't think that we're going to need to invade Canada until we run out of lumber.

War will not bring peace no matter how much dressing you like to put on it. There is no easy way out of this mess and war will not be the end of this mess.

http://216.97.43.230/images/bt/gallerybt9.htm

Basrah

Hashem Ali - Leg injury and closed head injuries (Cruise missile attack - 1/25/99)
http://216.97.43.230/hashem1.jpg

Imprint of incinerated mother holding child (Al-Amariyah Shelter, Baghdad)http://216.97.43.230/images/bt/ameryia4-16.jpg

Um Reyda, with a memorial to her nine children (Al-Amariyah Shelter, Baghdad)

Over 1200 women and children died; there were 14 survivors.
http://216.97.43.230/images/bt/ameryia3-27.jpg

Originally posted by Kato
http://216.97.43.230/images/bt/gallerybt9.htm

Basrah

Hashem Ali - Leg injury and closed head injuries (Cruise missile attack - 1/25/99)
http://216.97.43.230/hashem1.jpg

Imprint of incinerated mother holding child (Al-Amariyah Shelter, Baghdad)http://216.97.43.230/images/bt/ameryia4-16.jpg

Um Reyda, with a memorial to her nine children (Al-Amariyah Shelter, Baghdad)

Over 1200 women and children died; there were 14 survivors.
http://216.97.43.230/images/bt/ameryia3-27.jpg

Wo! I see a portuguese flag on that wall.......very sad.

It sure is. People get so concerned of what is happening on the outside that we neglect to see what we are doing to cause so much pain to the people of other countries. Take School of the Americas, I bet you not one person here knows that this the SOA's nearly 60,000 graduates are notorious dictators Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, Guillermo Rodriguez of Ecuador, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. Lower-level SOA graduates have participated in human rights abuses that include the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero and the El Mozote Massacre of 900 civilians. We have a sister who is going to jail for 6 months for traspassing..lol she is something else.