Would someone please be so kind as to explain to me how this works and how it is effective? I have seen pictures and it definitly looks "cool" but is it a good defense? Anything you know about is helpful thanks. :biggthump

I think its great if done correctly... your sided up which means from that alone u cut yaself down.. 50% (so ur opponent has less of a target)

ppl have diffrent ways of doing it but with me.. I tuck my chin behind lead shoulder(left) and parry punches towards my face with my right hand

and my left arm is blocking my body.. so the "only" place they can really hit me is in the arms... or in the back which is illegal



Like in this pic

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e17/nossurr/DSCN1700.jpg


he's not gonna hit me in the face cuz ill swat it with my right and cant hit the body cuz my left arm is there.. but yeah he can go for my back if he want to foul me

I think it's great! If the opponent does it :P

Seriously, it's fairly easy to get a guy good, when he's doing the philly shell (except someone like Mayweather, but that's because of him, not the shell).

You can take a look at the video I posted last week, for a little tip on how to deal with it. ;)

IS it where you protect your chin with your shoulder and keeping your lead hand low?

IS it where you protect your chin with your shoulder and keeping your lead hand low?

Yeah thats it

Yeah thats it

Not something I would do, I can see way too many flaws in it, unless ofcourse you are mayweather, as punchdrunk noted.

If I remember correctly, RJJ got "philly shelled" the **** out by Glenn Johnson?

In the philly shell defense you can parry quickly but blocked shots will still hurt you....in Fight Night round 3 at least.

Like punchdrunk said, Mayweather uses it but thats Mayweather. Like anything if you can use it for your advantage then its good, but its very difficult for you to be able to actually do it, IMO.

wouldnt a left hook to the body just destroy that style?

wouldnt a left hook to the body just destroy that style?

and a good jab. It also seems easier to muscle around these guys.

and a good jab. It also seems easier to muscle around these guys.

once u hit him with a left hook o the body he will open his defense up alot more.There goes that style.I mean all i see is a left hook shot open.But of course all styles arnt perfect.

Sugar Ray Leonard used it at times and with success. I'll check to see if I can show pics or vids.

once u hit him with a left hook o the body he will open his defense up alot more.There goes that style.I mean all i see is a left hook shot open.But of course all styles arnt perfect.

Indeed, but once I seen the stance I though that it would be great to attack him at an angle with a series of straight punches.

I don't think it'll be easy to land a hook to the body on someone who can fight in that stance; I said so in the 'Dome.

Sugar Ray Leonard used it at times and with success. I'll check to see if I can show pics or vids.

Ray Leonard also showed that Floyd Mayweather Sr's version of the philly shell wasnt unstopable

I don't think it'll be easy to land a hook to the body on someone who can fight in that stance; I said so in the 'Dome.

1 small pivot and side step can change alot.:wave: Then what. r u going to do a 360 roll?

1 small pivot and side step can change alot.:wave: Then what. r u going to do a 360 roll?

You use that kind of defense only on your toes, you don't stand flatfooted with it, that would be suicide. I see what you mean, this defense works only if you can move much better than your opponent. But if you can it helps in some ways, especially with the jab.

You use that kind of defense only on your toes, you don't stand flatfooted with it, that would be suicide. I see what you mean, this defense works only if you can move much better than your opponent. But if you can it helps in some ways, especially with the jab.

dlh will corner mayweather and exploit it.

dlh will corner mayweather and exploit it.

I hope you're right.

it leaves the left hook to the body open. If you rush the person and throw the left hook to the body their left arm is now pinned to their body and now they cant punch with it. The only thing they can do is try to time a right hand counter.

it leaves the left hook to the body open. If you rush the person and throw the left hook to the body their left arm is now pinned to their body and now they cant punch with it. The only thing they can do is try to time a right hand counter.

it leaves the left hook to the body open. If you rush the person and throw the left hook to the body their left arm is now pinned to their body and now they cant punch with it. The only thing they can do is try to time a right hand counter.

Also a solid compact right hook also.

Also a solid compact right hook also.

are you sayin the philly shell fighter can land it or the opponent vers?

are you sayin the philly shell fighter can land it or the opponent vers?

opponent. look at ol' dude mcalister in the pic.

thats retarded sitting here trying to name punches u can try and land on that defense... I mean, U can do that with ANY style of defense

nothing is UN-HITABLE


I dont see where this is going

thats retarded sitting here trying to name punches u can try and land on that defense... I mean, U can do that with ANY style of defense

nothing is UN-HITABLE


I dont see where this is going


U MMMAAADDDD???????

ahaha

thats retarded sitting here trying to name punches u can try and land on that defense... I mean, U can do that with ANY style of defense

nothing is UN-HITABLE


I dont see where this is going

To a certain extent you're right. Just remember the style of defense where you have both your hands up is MUCH more balanced, as to what you can do out of it. Think about it for a second. Philly shell really is all about showing off, not about being as effective as you can be.

The beauty of boxing is that there is No perfect Defence or perfect offence, there is always a way of solving the puzzle, just a case of if you have the pieces needed.

Philly shell defence requires the user to be ****ing fast. If you aren't significantly faster than other fighters on your weightclass, forget it.

James Toney does well with the style but he has a lot of natural talent and has been doing it all his life.

thats retarded sitting here trying to name punches u can try and land on that defense... I mean, U can do that with ANY style of defense

nothing is UN-HITABLE


I dont see where this is going

Its ok to look at the style and figure it out,its not a secret to defeat it.haha.I would love for some1 to do that style on me,I think i would punch there arms like rocky marciano

U MMMAAADDDD???????

ahaha

Nah, just pointless

both guards up? ok.. Ill right and left hook u to the body all day..

or jab u thru the middle, or left and right hook to the sides of the face

the list goes on

Nah, just pointless

both guards up? ok.. Ill right and left hook u to the body all day..

or jab u thru the middle, or left and right hook to the sides of the face

the list goes on

ok.what about the style i do. bob and weave.how would u defend against that.I'm always willing to hear what ppl would do,so i can try to prevent it.

ok.what about the style i do. bob and weave.how would u defend against that.I'm always willing to hear what ppl would do,so i can try to prevent it.


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lol... sorry man, I couldnt think of anything else

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lol... sorry man, I couldnt think of anything else

Thats not a good 1. he didnt really even bob and weave alot.bobbing and weaving is offensive and defensive.We know tyson was ****.ahaha.But if u dont have ne idea its cool.

Nah, just pointless

both guards up? ok.. Ill right and left hook u to the body all day..

or jab u thru the middle, or left and right hook to the sides of the face

the list goes on

The point is, in the philly shell put yourself in a position where you can't do certain things, whereas in the "textbook" style, you're not really limited to doing anything in particular.

If the distance wasn't so far, I'd love to have one of my guys show you what I'm talking about, the hard way ;)

ok.what about the style i do. bob and weave.how would u defend against that.I'm always willing to hear what ppl would do,so i can try to prevent it.

well if you got a tall fighter he will jab jab jab and if you close he will put and uppercut right but that all depends on you speed and tempo

as for the phily shell is good in times but if you are fighting a dirty fighter it is very easy to hit the neck or behind the ear which is really a KO sitaution and if in some cases the ref view is blocked

The point is, in the philly shell put yourself in a position where you can't do certain things, whereas in the "textbook" style, you're not really limited to doing anything in particular.

If the distance wasn't so far, I'd love to have one of my guys show you what I'm talking about, the hard way ;)

Yeah wish the distance gap was smaller, Id love to show yall that not only mayweather and tony can get away with using it

AHAHAHAHA what a coincidence, I was in here talkin about the philly shell and today me and my brother were in a video game store and I looked at the back of a Justice League game and ****in BATMAN is in the philly shell fighting something. I bursted out laughin in the store.

look at Batman...
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/WindowsLiveWriter/FindOutIfThisJUSTICELEAGUEAreHEROESOrABu_10689/JLH2%5B5%5D.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :wtf:

There is also one more thing about the Philly shell. As defence, it's the least transferable to other combat sports (Kickboxing and MMA) and the street. It really only works well in pure Boxing.

Yeah wish the distance gap was smaller, Id love to show yall that not only mayweather and tony can get away with using it

Mcalister what's your training routine like?

Mcalister what's your training routine like?

GYM- Tues, Thurs, Sat.

I have a routine I do on the pushup bar everyday, 3 diffrent angles, 3 times for each angel = 1 set.. and I do 3 sets

I go to youtube and pull up that 8min. Ab workout.. and I do it along with the video

And I try to jog in the morning with my husky (wearing a 22lb. vest)

but, I often get lazy.... I might jog 3times out the week instead of everyday

AHAHAHAHA what a coincidence, I was in here talkin about the philly shell and today me and my brother were in a video game store and I looked at the back of a Justice League game and ****in BATMAN is in the philly shell fighting something. I bursted out laughin in the store.

look at Batman...
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/WindowsLiveWriter/FindOutIfThisJUSTICELEAGUEAreHEROESOrABu_10689/JLH2%5B5%5D.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :wtf:

I think they have superman in that same style, u cant tell from that pic because he's punching someone but his right arm is the same as batmans


but, I wouldnt call that the philly shell... the shell is a defense, chin tucked, and his left arm would have to be close in to his body to protect against body shots..

he's just fighting from the "speed" boxers stance (according to fight night) lol

just the regular low left stance

GYM- Tues, Thurs, Sat.

I have a routine I do on the pushup bar everyday, 3 diffrent angles, 3 times for each angel = 1 set.. and I do 3 sets

I go to youtube and pull up that 8min. Ab workout.. and I do it along with the video

And I try to jog in the morning with my husky (wearing a 22lb. vest)

but, I often get lazy.... I might jog 3times out the week instead of everyday

what about in the boxing gym?

what about in the boxing gym?

depends on what the trainer has us do.. aight I get there...

1. strech
2. jump rope 2/3 rds
3. then he have us get in the ring, shadow box with weights for a rd., without for a rd., with for a rd., without for a rd.
4. then we work on the focus mitts
5. work the heavy bags, double end bags
6. burn out on the bags
7. crunches with the medicine ball
8. go home, or sparr if you want

lots of dumb things said in this thread. Philly Shells only good if you're a counter puncher. If you're a very good counter puncher ur opponents done.

I use the shell a lot. There are a few crucial points to using it:

1) It works best if you are trying to get inside your opponent rather than fight at a distance. You use your lead shoulder to barge your way in fast, with your chin tucked in tight, then unload that lead hook to the body and/or the head.

2) If works really well for a Southpaw fighting an opponent in an orthodox stance if you circle to their lead side.

3) Avoid using the rear hand to parry, it's better to shoulder roll away from the punch, or to bob and weave. Watch Joe Frazier.

4) To avoid having the lead hand pinned you simply alternate between different guard positions. I work my way through low, standard, and high guard. I make the changes just as the opponent is thinking about unloading a shot on me and it messes with their head. Again watch Joe Frazier who is a master at this. He's always bobbing, weaving, shoulder rolling, and moving his guard around.

5) You need to be very nimble on your feet, and have good upper body movement.

I know there are guys that use it really well, but when I spar the guy in my gym who uses it I spend my time intelligently pressuring them and cutting off the ring until I can get them cornered and seriously hurt them. Also if you clinch the style seems to get you thrown around alot and leave you with no defence inside

I know there are guys that use it really well, but when I spar the guy in my gym who uses it I spend my time intelligently pressuring them and cutting off the ring until I can get them cornered and seriously hurt them. Also if you clinch the style seems to get you thrown around alot and leave you with no defence inside

Only pressure fighters should use this style. If you are chasing them and pressuring them, then they clearly aren't pressure fighters.

Would someone please be so kind as to explain to me how this works and how it is effective? I have seen pictures and it definitly looks "cool" but is it a good defense? Anything you know about is helpful thanks. :biggthump

It's called the "Shoulder roll" for a reason. First thing is, you NEED incredible reflexes. If you have average reflexes and use this defense your gonna get beat up. Arturo Gatti used this defense but was he known for defense? Hell no. Anyways.....

It's only used inside the pocket. If you think you can fight like this any range, your using it wrong. It's used inside the pocket, "clinch range" if you don't understand the pocket. Or against the ropes or in a corner.

Your lead shoulder will roll off straights from southpaws fighters and counter straight seemlessly, or deflect orthodox jabs and counter straight seemlessly. You use your back hand to slap down/away jabs, NOT straight punches. The way your arms are positioned, your body is protected. And the result of this is, when your opponent goes to your body, you can unleash counter-uppercuts from your back hand while blocking body shots.

That is the defense is in a nutshell. You MUST have great reflexes to use this defense. So many people think they are using it right, or think that Mayweather's padwork will get them great at using this style of defense. When in fact it wont help at all if you don't have great reflexes. You have to block, sway, counter, and go on the offensive seemlessly with this style.


If not, you end up using it like Gatti did. And he wasn't known for his defense what so ever.

Yeah I was pretty sure the guy I know wasn't doing it right seein as he gets his ass kicked.

Its gta be said though, that style of defence is one of those things that only works in boxing. It exposes your back and leaves you open to body clinches

Only pressure fighters should use this style. If you are chasing them and pressuring them, then they clearly aren't pressure fighters.

if too pressure fighters fight, the weaker one gets driven back

thanks to everyone who posted here

**** was helpful