Lindland cut Fedor with the first punch. Lindland picked up Fedor and handled him. Fedor held onto the ropes and they both fell with Lindland being on the bottom. Eventually Lindlan got submitted.

Lindland looked smaller and I was impressed. After the fight Lindland wanted a rematch. Judging from this I think Randy has a chance against Fedor.

Lindland cut Fedor with the first punch. Lindland picked up Fedor and handled him. Fedor held onto the ropes and they both fell with Lindland being on the bottom. Eventually Lindlan got submitted.

Lindland looked smaller and I was impressed. After the fight Lindland wanted a rematch. Judging from this I think Randy has a chance against Fedor.

And judging from Fedor's oter fights, I don't think Randy has a chance.

Fedor held onto the ropes and they both fell with Lindland being on the bottom.Alot of people kicking up a stink about this and claim this led to the reveral, it's bullshit, fedor's foot causes it, not the "rope hold".

Good fight though, dominating performance on the ground from fedor.

Fedor Emelianenko Vs. Matt Lindland

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Aleksander Emelianenko Vs. Eric Pele

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Lindland cut Fedor with the first punch. Lindland picked up Fedor and handled him. Fedor held onto the ropes and they both fell with Lindland being on the bottom. Eventually Lindlan got submitted.

Lindland looked smaller and I was impressed. After the fight Lindland wanted a rematch. Judging from this I think Randy has a chance against Fedor.

Sure Randy would have a chance..a very small one. Fedor is the best and I don't think theres anyone out there that can beat him.

The leg is what actually reversed him, but grabbing the ropes bought him the time to do it and allowed him to get his leg in position. If he hadnt been holding the ropes I think Lindland wouldve had the take down. Fedor is an excellent submission fighter though. Still a little controversial in my mind, not saying fedor wouldnt have probly when anyways, but with the cut Lindland wouldve had a chance to target it and possibly try and stop the fight had he achieved top possition. I'm also a huge team quest fan by the way.

Even if Lindland had the takedown do you think he would have been able to actually do anything or would it have been a matter of time before Fedor got on top and dominated Lindland like he did. Also it looked to me like he wasn't holding the ropes at first when the ref was yelling at him his arm was just right there, where was he suppose to move it if his arm was in that position, he was trying hard to get it out. I don't see this fight being a different result if there was no "rope holding".

Even if Lindland had the takedown do you think he would have been able to actually do anything or would it have been a matter of time before Fedor got on top and dominated Lindland like he did. Also it looked to me like he wasn't holding the ropes at first when the ref was yelling at him his arm was just right there, where was he suppose to move it if his arm was in that position, he was trying hard to get it out. I don't see this fight being a different result if there was no "rope holding".

If you read my post, I said that Fedor wouldve probly won anyways, but that if Lindland had gotten the takedown he would've had an opportunity to rain down blows on that cut and perhaps go for a stoppage. And also, Lindland is an olympic silver medalist, not exactly the easiest guy to reverse once hes on top of you and you'd expect he has a solid base as well. And after watching it again, yes i still think holding the ropes helped him get the leg reversal. Not only did it keep him up longer i think it helped him to steady himself while he worked the leg in. He let go a couple times but i thought that was only so he could use his arm in other ways, he was prepared to go right back to the rope when he needed to, and he reached out and clenched the rope right before the reversal after having let it go.

The leg reversal was still for real and chances are Fedor wouldve still won the fight, but this was a bit tainted imo, and Lindland wouldve faired better had he got the takedown. I cant say for sure that he wouldve gotten it anyways, but it looked to me like holding the ropes helped him get the reversal.

If you read my post, I said that Fedor wouldve probly won anyways, but that if Lindland had gotten the takedown he would've had an opportunity to rain down blows on that cut and perhaps go for a stoppage. And also, Lindland is an olympic silver medalist, not exactly the easiest guy to reverse once hes on top of you and you'd expect he has a solid base as well. And after watching it again, yes i still think holding the ropes helped him get the leg reversal. Not only did it keep him up longer i think it helped him to steady himself while he worked the leg in. He let go a couple times but i thought that was only so he could use his arm in other ways, he was prepared to go right back to the rope when he needed to, and he reached out and clenched the rope right before the reversal after having let it go.

The leg reversal was still for real and chances are Fedor wouldve still won the fight, but this was a bit tainted imo, and Lindland wouldve faired better had he got the takedown. I cant say for sure that he wouldve gotten it anyways, but it looked to me like holding the ropes helped him get the reversal.

I think holding the ropes may have helped. Lindland is obviously the better wrestler of the two. However, I think Fedor is just too good on the ground for Lindland. I also agree that he may have been able to open the cut and get the fight stopped. I guess that is the only way to beat Fedor. By doctor stoppage.

I think holding the ropes may have helped. Lindland is obviously the better wrestler of the two. However, I think Fedor is just too good on the ground for Lindland. I also agree that he may have been able to open the cut and get the fight stopped. I guess that is the only way to beat Fedor. By doctor stoppage.

yeah i agree, fedor really is something else at the ground game. I'm actually beginning to wonder how Chuck Liddell would fair against Fedor since hes got some of the best takedown defense out there among strikers. I mean, dont get me wrong, hed still be a huge underdog, but when i first heard wispers of this fight i thought Liddell would simply get anihilated. Fedor is in a class of his own though, the dudes simply phenomenal.

That video won’t work for me, cunts. Anyway, I’m only going by the 1 time I’ve seen that thing.

Fedor’s not holding the ropes when Matt lowers him during the hold which allowed him to shift weight, hook the leg and get the TD. Fedor’s arm is extended over the ropes for balance nothing more.

And the irony of having Chuck mentioned in this thread is he’s the king of cage/rope holding.

And the irony of having Chuck mentioned in this thread is he’s the king of cage/rope holding.

Lol, well i was mentioning him in a bit of a different context, the talk about Fedors ground game got me thinking about it. And what better way to neutralize the ground game then to not go to the ground.

If you read my post, I said that Fedor wouldve probly won anyways, but that if Lindland had gotten the takedown he would've had an opportunity to rain down blows on that cut and perhaps go for a stoppage. And also, Lindland is an olympic silver medalist, not exactly the easiest guy to reverse once hes on top of you and you'd expect he has a solid base as well. And after watching it again, yes i still think holding the ropes helped him get the leg reversal. Not only did it keep him up longer i think it helped him to steady himself while he worked the leg in. He let go a couple times but i thought that was only so he could use his arm in other ways, he was prepared to go right back to the rope when he needed to, and he reached out and clenched the rope right before the reversal after having let it go.

The leg reversal was still for real and chances are Fedor wouldve still won the fight, but this was a bit tainted imo, and Lindland wouldve faired better had he got the takedown. I cant say for sure that he wouldve gotten it anyways, but it looked to me like holding the ropes helped him get the reversal.

I wasn't refering to your post...was just putting my input.

I think there should be a rematch because people going to now always bring this up no matter what he does in the future, people have short term memory, and no way Lindland could have matched Fedor on the ground.

I wasn't refering to your post...was just putting my input.

I think there should be a rematch because people going to now always bring this up no matter what he does in the future, people have short term memory, and no way Lindland could have matched Fedor on the ground.

Oh, my bad. Fedor is still the man and he showed some premier stuff on the ground. I went a little far saying this taints the win, Fedor is the man and i'm sure he was the superior fighter of the two. As i said i'm a big team quest fan so maybe i overreacted, this wouldve been huge for quest, and they've been owning MMA lately. Still, Fedor is the ****ing man, no question.

That video won’t work for me, cunts. Anyway, I’m only going by the 1 time I’ve seen that thing.

Fedor’s not holding the ropes when Matt lowers him during the hold which allowed him to shift weight, hook the leg and get the TD. Fedor’s arm is extended over the ropes for balance nothing more.

And the irony of having Chuck mentioned in this thread is he’s the king of cage/rope holding.

and eye gouging.

Fedor Emelianenko Vs. Matt Lindland

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Aleksander Emelianenko Vs. Eric Pele

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