Who had more blunt force trauma behind their punches? Who do you think would be more prone to giving a normal person brain damage. I honestly think they are so similar ( size, shape, style) that i think it is really a toss up. However, i give the overall nod to marciano.

for me it's tyson.

I'm sorry but I'd rather take a punch from Rocky-M than Tyson....

So imma go wit Tyson hittin harder.

I'm sorry but I'd rather take a punch from Rocky-M than Tyson....

So imma go wit Tyson hittin harder.

Either way your getting ktfo :boxing:

I would say marciano.

Honestly though its Marciano, Tyson wasn't a on punch guy..Marciano was, don't get me wrong Tyson probably hit harder but his devastation lies in his combanations..Marciano's a one hit artist...

Bro, check out the top 10 1 punch ko's from tyson youtube:D He had it, just not for long like Marciano caring it with him the whole freakin' fight.

I voted Tyson because not only did he have devastating power, he could actually load up on powerfull combo's, many more than Marciano. He was more dangerous because of that. Then again like i said, Marciano had 1 punch ko power for 15 rounds.

gotta go with Tyson on this one. Speed, timing, skill, accuracy and natural power to boot all coming together to make one hard puncher. Not the most heavy handed of fighters I would say Marciano had more natural power for his size but Tyson's technique enhanced his.

oh - suzie q!

I went with tyson, i was about to pick even, but honestly i think tyson had a bit more power than rocky.

Marciano nuthuggers are fuggin retards. Sheesh.

Either way your getting ktfo :boxing:

That sums this up perfectly! :) Pretty funny too.

But, if I had a gun to my head, I'de pick Tyson. His 220+ lbs seems to be more dangerous than Marciano's 185-190lbs.

That sums this up perfectly! :) Pretty funny too.

But, if I had a gun to my head, I'de pick Tyson. His 220+ lbs seems to be more dangerous than Marciano's 185-190lbs.

I really believe that tyson's weight had absolutely no advantage to his punching trauma. Maciano was just so direct in his shots, he had that special once punch ko effect. Lets keep the opinions coming.

BUMP, id like more insight.

I can't see Tyson hitting Ezzard Charles for 15 rounds and Charles not going down, so therefore I pick Tyson.

tyson had more power .... he is heavier and his punches were probably alot faster than Rocky's... his punches must be harder if both fighters put their weight into a punch thrown at the same speed.

Marciano had amazing punch power but he could not possibly have a harder punch than tyson as tyson was a 200lb+ fighter with amazing hand speed.

marciano had better punching power but he wasnt near tyson in being a knockout artist. marciano had the power but tyson had the handspeed, timing, accuracy, combos, etc.

I went with tyson, i was about to pick even, but honestly i think tyson had a bit more power than rocky.

tyson hit harder

rocky could take a lot more punishment

i wish i could combine them:boxing:

tyson hit way harder than marciano . marciano hit at 1000 psi and tyson at 1750 psi . marcianos power does not even compare with tysons.

tyson hit way harder than marciano . marciano hit at 1000 psi and tyson at 1750 psi . marcianos power does not even compare with tysons.

Tyson didn't hit 1750, it was only about 1350. But yes, he does hit harder than Marciano.

Where do you get those numbers from

Where do you get those numbers from

As the great champion Larry Holmes put it: "from where the sun don't shine"

Where do you get those numbers from

from hooks.

Tyson didn't hit 1750, it was only about 1350. But yes, he does hit harder than Marciano.

how do you know?.

I can't see Tyson hitting Ezzard Charles for 15 rounds and Charles not going down, so therefore I pick Tyson.


Marciano couldn't get a solid hit and Tyson might not either.

Marciano couldn't get a solid hit and Tyson might not either.

Marciano hit Charles plenty of times and he didn't budge. Even Rocky himself said that he was shocked that he hit him with everything he had and nothing really happened.

Marciano hit Charles plenty of times and he didn't budge. Even Rocky himself said that he was shocked that he hit him with everything he had and nothing really happened.

I heard u dislike tyson now,is this true?

Marciano hit Charles plenty of times and he didn't budge. Even Rocky himself said that he was shocked that he hit him with everything he had and nothing really happened.


Thats because Charles is an all time great. He rolled with them, could take a solid punch anyway, and didn't get hit clean with most. When he did get hit hard, it did mess him up pretty good.

You have to realize whether its Tyson or Marciano fighting Charles or many other fighters, it doesn't take away from the fact that they're journeymen and know how to conduct themselves in the ring...They know how to get hit with punches and not go down...Thats something thats learned from years of expierence in the ring and has nothing to do with the Gym...

Like I said earlier, either way your getting KTFO....

Tyson probably did hit harder (I say probably because there's no way to actually know) but in the end it doesn't matter because its who's left standing...

I don't know who hit harder, I could make an argument for both.
I would say Marciano has more power with one punch, while Tyson is more damaging with his combinations.
But just ignore catskills, his numbers change lol.

how do you know?.

I saw it on some website, I can't remember the name.

I heard u dislike tyson now,is this true?

Who told you that?

Thats because Charles is an all time great. He rolled with them, could take a solid punch anyway, and didn't get hit clean with most. When he did get hit hard, it did mess him up pretty good.

I don't expect charles to just simply "roll" with Tyson's punches for 15 rounds and stay up.

I saw it on some website, I can't remember the name.

what do you mean you saw it on some website?. Was it a legitimate figure or was it just some douche bag posting it on a forum?.

what do you mean you saw it on some website?. Was it a legitimate figure or was it just some douche bag posting it on a forum?.

Well, I've heard it in other places. Usually people say 1350. It ranges from 1300 to 1400, but nowhere near 1750.

i got agree that the one punch from rocky was more deadly but that left to the body then left upstairs combo from iron mike was deadly

180 pounders power vs. a 210 pounds power. come on guys.:slap:

marciano was a better fighter than mike tyson no doubt. but mike had to have hit harder!

I'd rather take a shot from Tyson in the 12th or 15th than Maricano

I'd rather take a shot from Tyson in the 12th or 15th than Maricano

What about round one?

marciano was a better fighter than mike tyson no doubt. but mike had to have hit harder!

:nonono: ...

:nonono: ...

Agreed. Tyson was the better fighter. But marciano might have been the better boxer.

Agreed. Tyson was the better fighter. But marciano might have been the better boxer.

LOL it's the other way around imo. Marciano had more of the slugfighting warrior spirit, while Tyson was actually really skilled at one point.

Its difficult to compare them on pure punch power.

There techniques were very different, their styles were very different. Tyson used explosive combinations and speed, Marciano used constant pressure and broke opponents up.

Its difficult to compare them on pure punch power.

There techniques were very different, their styles were very different. Tyson used explosive combinations and speed, Marciano used constant pressure and broke opponents up.

Thats a respectable analysis. But who do you think would have the greater punching power in their respectable styles.

Thats a respectable analysis. But who do you think would have the greater punching power in their respectable styles.

Tyson being bigger and faster probably had the more powerful punch.
But which punch was his most powerful?

I think righthand vs righthand its very close.

Alot of people just look at Marciano KOing Walcott. But that was a perfect perfect shot.
Tysons short right against Berbick was almost as devastating.

Tysons body shots, left hook and uppercuts are IMO all superior to Marciano's.

If measured on a machine, given Tysons weight and speed advantage he should have the more powerful righthand.

I believe that Marciano had more punching power. He was also better technically as well. Tyson could very easily take you out with one punch in every fight.
Marciano also could take you out, but he was more of a wear down fighter. He would just keep coming forward, landing one punch to every three if he had to. But overall, most of the time he would wear you down.
Tyson= better punching power

my choice was tyson

I believe that Marciano had more punching power. He was also better technically as well. Tyson could very easily take you out with one punch in every fight.
Marciano also could take you out, but he was more of a wear down fighter. He would just keep coming forward, landing one punch to every three if he had to. But overall, most of the time he would wear you down.
Tyson= better punching power

:nonono: ...

I would think Tyson had more power in his punches than Rocky did.

I would think Tyson had more power in his punches than Rocky did.

possible, but highly unlikely.

possible, but highly unlikely.


why is it unlikely?

:nonono: ...

He was also faster and stronger then Ali lol, figured I just go for the homerun and really piss butterfly off

you r right the weight makes a difference tyson the harder puncher pound for pound its the rock but even with the size difference i would give the rock the edge for late power because he was alway in great shape

Tyson fought a good 30 pounds heavier than Rock did. P4p I think it would be Marciano, but who really knows?

Who had more blunt force trauma behind their punches? Who do you think would be more prone to giving a normal person brain damage. I honestly think they are so similar ( size, shape, style) that i think it is really a toss up. However, i give the overall nod to marciano.

someones a Rocky Balboa fan
Lol

Id say Rocky, I heard he actually chipped bones in there
probably been discussed already in this thread but I sure as hell aint reading it all

someones a Rocky Balboa fan
Lol

Haha, yes. I was wondering when someone would catch that.

Tyson fought a good 30 pounds heavier than Rock did. P4p I think it would be Marciano, but who really knows?

that would be the point of the thread. and yes, mike did fight a good, rock solid 20-30 lbs heavier, but weight means absolutely nothing.

Tommy Morrison said he could whip Rocky Marciano

Tommy Morrison said he could whip Rocky Marciano

meh. in his heyday , id say morrison had a good bit of power.

I give the edge to Tyson. It has been mentioned that Tyson weighed heavier than Rocky but it hasn't been mentioned that his opponents were bigger than Rocky's as well. For instance Tryell Biggs weighed 228, Holmes was 225, Bruno 228 1st fight 247 2nd fight. Where as Ezzard Charles weighed around 185-90, Moore was 188, walcot was 195-200 ish they were similar in size to Marciano as well so it isn't necessarily true that Marciano had more p4p power. Glove size was also smaller in his day. I know for a fact that 6oz gloves were worn in the Archie Moore fight.

Tyson, because most of his KO punches weren't even flush...

Tommy Morrison said he could whip Rocky Marciano

He couldn't even beat Ray Mercer, how is he gonna beat Marciano?:lol1:

obviously tyson because the came from different times now everyone lifts weights and a bunch of other stuff and then not as much weight but proportionitly in their times Marciano>Tyson

obviously tyson because the came from different times now everyone lifts weights and a bunch of other stuff and then not as much weight but proportionitly in their times Marciano>Tyson

LOL at this guys username.:lol1:

LOL at this guys username.:lol1:

:rofl: :rofl:

LOL at this guys username.:lol1:

He might just think marciano is the better boxer. whereas tyson is the harder Hitter.

Almost all alts or no bodies said rocky.:rofl:

Im the only guy to say even because no one really knows. It shouldnt be up for argument. Marciano was a cruiserweight. Hell he would be considered a small cruiserweight by todays standards.

He might just think marciano is the better boxer. whereas tyson is the harder Hitter.

Saying that Rocky was more skilled than Tyson is even more dumb than saying he was more powerful!:lol1:

Saying that Rocky was more skilled than Tyson is even more dumb than saying he was more powerful!:lol1:

Are you being serious? i mean, tyson was a good boxer but no where near as SKILLED as rocky. please expand on your logic.

Are you being serious? i mean, tyson was a good boxer but no where near as SKILLED as rocky. please expand on your logic.

Tyson was definately more skilled than Rocky. He was clearly the better combination puncher and there is no denying that. Tyson had a better jab as well. His jab is very underrated but when he used it in the 80's it was very good. Watch his fight with Tony Tucker for reference. I also believe Tyson was superior at slipping and ducking punches with his defense.

if they ever fought i bet rocky would win based on the fact that tyson would fade and get caught in the 8th.

Are you being serious? i mean, tyson was a good boxer but no where near as SKILLED as rocky. please expand on your logic.

Rocky was far from skilled. He was a wild clubber. Of course Tyson was more skilled than Marciano. Most boxers were.

I say marciano by a long shot

I say marciano by a long shot

:nonono: ...

tyson = speed/power/agility 3/5

marciano = power/chin 2/5

tyson woops marciano's ass.

feel free to leave me red k's if ya want.

The best k.o win tyson has is Micheal Spinks, he k.od a bunch of no names just like my hero(Julio Cesar Chavez- not being sarcastic on chavez)Tyson really didnt have great power as people believed, he just established a reputation of a monster that will never be beat, he fought on t.v 16 times a year in 86 and 87 and beat no names, we all know how it went for him with real opposition like Lewis and Evander

Originally posted by The Underbosstyson = speed/power/agility 3/5

marciano = power/chin 2/5

tyson woops marciano's ass.

feel free to leave me red k's if ya want.


You forgot that Tyson also had a good chin, and better defense.

Originally posted by Tha_Greatestwe all know how it went for him with real opposition like Lewis and Evander

Real opposition like Evander who he fought after 4+ years off, and only 9 rounds of in-ring preparation against losers. For some reason everybody forgives Ali his loss to Frazier after 3 years off and 18 rounds of in-ring preparation against excellent opposition (Oscar Bonavena and Jerry Quarry). By the way, watch the third round where he bit Holyfield's ear; Tyson was winning that round by simply throwing combinations. Put them in the ring before prison, and Tyson wins in an excellent fight.

Real opposition like Lewis who fought a 35-year old Tyson well beyond his prime, and after another extended layoff (one fight in 20 months against Nielsen). Put them in the ring in 1993-1994, Tyson cracks Lewis' fragile jaw, though this too would be a good fight.

The haters crack me up just as much as the homers.

You forgot that Tyson also had a good chin, and better defense.



Real opposition like Evander who he fought after 4+ years off, and only 9 rounds of in-ring preparation against losers. For some reason everybody forgives Ali his loss to Frazier after 3 years off and 18 rounds of in-ring preparation against excellent opposition (Oscar Bonavena and Jerry Quarry). By the way, watch the third round where he bit Holyfield's ear; Tyson was winning that round by simply throwing combinations. Put them in the ring before prison, and Tyson wins in an excellent fight.

Real opposition like Lewis who fought a 35-year old Tyson well beyond his prime, and after another extended layoff (one fight in 20 months against Nielsen). Put them in the ring in 1993-1994, Tyson cracks Lewis' fragile jaw, though this too would be a good fight.

The haters crack me up just as much as the homers.
Im not a Tyson hater, i love that basterd, I even criticized my hero Chavez in this thread, when Tyson came out of prison he was still a giant favorite just like in the fight vs the stiff, Buster Douglas who beat Tyson soundly. I do not forgive Ali in that Frazier fight, fighters have brains and should know how to train and how to prepare for a big fight

easy answer here, p4p possibly marciano, but in overall punching power it goes to tyson.

easy answer here, p4p possibly marciano, but in overall punching power it goes to tyson.case dismissed http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/DaDeHustLa/Smileys/talktohand.gif

This thread is a joke . Marcianos power doesnt even compare to tysons.


Corrie T Rex Sanders

"Tyson hits like he has bricks in his hands."

Tyson really didnt have great power as people believed

:haha:............

This thread is a joke . Marcianos power doesnt even compare to tysons.


Corrie T Rex Sanders

"Tyson hits like he has bricks in his hands."

knowing Tyson, he probably does.

But yeah Tyson hits harder for sure. Bigger, faster, more explosive.

case dismissed http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/DaDeHustLa/Smileys/talktohand.gif

case reopened. marciano's punching power was greater than tysons. not by much, but it was definately rocky that hit harder.

case reopened. marciano's punching power was greater than tysons. not by much, but it was definately rocky that hit harder.

:nonono: ...

I think Tyson Would hit harder then Rocky but not harder then David Tua an like Rocky holds his ko power till the last second of his fights!!! But he is not as skilled Tyson n Rocky!!!

case reopened. marciano's punching power was greater than tysons. not by much, but it was definately rocky that hit harder.
this is an old case here and I agree with the overall consensus of the first thread about this... Tyson had greater punching power than Marciano simply because Tyson KO's people with his HANDS... Marciano's right hand was devastating as well but opponents almost always take a double hit when he launches a bomb because his follow through included an elbow to the face... ouch!

case reopened. marciano's punching power was greater than tysons. not by much, but it was definately rocky that hit harder.what the hell are you smoking man? look at marciano's arms, and look at tyson's arms, the only thing marciano had good apart from power was his chin, but c'mon man, let's get real, tyson had much power and agility than marciano, tyson would eat marciano in any round.

This thread is a joke . Marcianos power doesnt even compare to tysons.

Corrie T Rex Sanders

"Tyson hits like he has bricks in his hands."THANK YOU! :boxing:

Tyson..........

I can't see Tyson hitting Ezzard Charles for 15 rounds and Charles not going down, so therefore I pick Tyson.

Watch the rematch. Also Louis hit Charles for 15 rounds, and Charles didn't go down.

lmao , its funny how most of you are just riding the bandwagon and saying tyson. you really need to do you research and you will see that marciano had the superior punching power.

lmao , its funny how most of you are just riding the bandwagon and saying tyson. you really need to do you research and you will see that marciano had the superior punching power.


No bandwagon here. All you can really do is watch both of their fights and compare the punches they throw and the impact the have on the particular fighters they are in with.
First off Tyson was bigger than Rocky, second off he was faster and more explosive. He also had the superior punching technique when it came to combinations so all of these point to Tyson.

Tyson used 10 oz gloves as opposed to Rocky's 6 oz - it's harder to KO a guy with 10 oz as it is with 6. Mike fought the bigger guys and ended fights on average a lot quicker than Rocky. If you asked the opponents of both fighters they would tell you that they both hit damned hard. I think the difference is Marciano was more of a volume puncher where as Tyson had more early stopping power. p4p it's a different answer but as it stands I'd have to say Tyson had more bang.

The best k.o win tyson has is Micheal Spinks, he k.od a bunch of no names just like my hero(Julio Cesar Chavez- not being sarcastic on chavez)Tyson really didnt have great power as people believed, he just established a reputation of a monster that will never be beat, he fought on t.v 16 times a year in 86 and 87 and beat no names, we all know how it went for him with real opposition like Lewis and Evander

We all know this was'nt the same Tyson, While in Jail he lost some of his speed and he was'nt the same like he was in his prime. Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, undefeated prime Tony Tucker and Biggs (Biggs was'nt the same anymore since Tyson destroyed him) or powerful punchers like Ruddock or Bruno (Bruno almost had Lewis out, watch his fight against him)

tyson hit harder . tyson broke golata's vertebrae with the right hand on the jaw that floored him which fractured his cheek bone and damn near left him paralysed for life . Also did you see what tyson did to sammy schaff,s and ferguson's nose with one punch. He also set eddie richardson flying through the air with a right hand which i have never seen happen before.

I don't think that's helping your case if you compare that to some of the horrific things Marciano has done to his opponents.

No bandwagon here. All you can really do is watch both of their fights and compare the punches they throw and the impact the have on the particular fighters they are in with.
First off Tyson was bigger than Rocky, second off he was faster and more explosive. He also had the superior punching technique when it came to combinations so all of these point to Tyson.

Tyson used 10 oz gloves as opposed to Rocky's 6 oz - it's harder to KO a guy with 10 oz as it is with 6. Mike fought the bigger guys and ended fights on average a lot quicker than Rocky. If you asked the opponents of both fighters they would tell you that they both hit damned hard. I think the difference is Marciano was more of a volume puncher where as Tyson had more early stopping power. p4p it's a different answer but as it stands I'd have to say Tyson had more bang.
Marciano used 8 oz gloves, the same sized gloves that Tyson used against Ferguson. People are mistaking power with snap, technique, speed, precision, accuracy, and timing with pure power. Marciano had more pure power than Tyson, Tyson had everything else with the punches on Marciano.

Marciano used 8 oz gloves, the same sized gloves that Tyson used against Ferguson. People are mistaking power with snap, technique, speed, precision, accuracy, and timing with pure power. Marciano had more pure power than Tyson, Tyson had everything else with the punches on Marciano.

tyson hit much harder . tyson hit at 1750 psi . marciano hit at 1000 psi . case closed.

Marciano used 8 oz gloves, the same sized gloves that Tyson used against Ferguson. People are mistaking power with snap, technique, speed, precision, accuracy, and timing with pure power. Marciano had more pure power than Tyson, Tyson had everything else with the punches on Marciano.

exactly. finally someone who can understand the true art of punching power. yes, tyson had more snap, timing, etc. but rocky had the PURE POWER!

exactly. finally someone who can understand the true art of punching power. yes, tyson had more snap, timing, etc. but rocky had the PURE POWER!
lol... you can't take away the other aspects of the game when talking about power... like in the case of manny pacquiao, he wouldn't have the same power if he didn't have the speed and boost from his legs... maybe you're talking about arm strength... and if that is the case, then we should not be talking about marciano or tyson... my vote's on foreman...

tyson hit much harder . tyson hit at 1750 psi . marciano hit at 1000 psi . case closed.
Um....ok. Where did you come up with that?

lol... you can't take away the other aspects of the game when talking about power... like in the case of manny pacquiao, he wouldn't have the same power if he didn't have the speed and boost from his legs... maybe you're talking about arm strength... and if that is the case, then we should not be talking about marciano or tyson... my vote's on foreman...Amen to Foreman's arm power. I think this argument would have been much more interesting to read if it had been a p4p discussion b/t punching power (punching power was the initial argument, despite many forays into confounding discussions of strength and stamina). People saying that size doesn't matter, well....physics begs to differ...Here, power = force x velocity (the acceleration of a body is proportional to the resultant force exerted on the body and is inversely proportional to the mass of the body; Newton's second law inextricably links mass and force). It's hard to imagine- all extraneous variables aside, taking into account pure power for a single punch, that Tyson didn't have greater power. If you want to talk pound for pound, the argument is altogether changed.

speels equal power . if it didnt then how come a car hitting you at 20mph would do more damage to you than a bus hitting you at 2 mph . marciano had a lot of power and not much speed . tyson had a lot of power and a lot of speed. therefore tyson hit harder . its simple logic.

Both of them punch hard as each other but Tyson might just have the edge because his hands were so fast.

tyson hit much harder . tyson hit at 1750 psi . marciano hit at 1000 psi . case closed.

Tyson didn't hit at 1750 PSI, he hit at 1350 PSI. Also, Marciano never had a PSI test.

tyson hit much harder . tyson hit at 1750 psi . marciano hit at 1000 psi . case closed.

HAHA, where did you come up with that? And i say had marciano taken a psi test, he would hit near 1500. Far superior to mikes 1350.

Would you people cut the arguing crap. This is a perfectly debatable topic.

Neither Tyson or Marciano had their power measured, don't listen to these fan fics. Their diffirent styles of power gives people diffirent opinions.

Roberto Duran hit the bag harder than Tyson did, Gerald Mcclellan hit it harder than tyson did, Rocky Marciano hit it harder than George Foreman did!

tyson hit much harder . tyson hit at 1750 psi . marciano hit at 1000 psi . case closed.

800psi obliterates bones, get your head out of your ass.

Tyson also fought bigger opponents than Marciano. That should be taken into consideration.

Would you people cut the arguing crap. This is a perfectly debatable topic.

Neither Tyson or Marciano had their power measured, don't listen to these fan fics. Their diffirent styles of power gives people diffirent opinions.


Back in the mid 60's the military tested Marciano's power. They figured out that Marciano's suzie Q had more force behind it than an armor peircing bullet and had enough force to spot lift 1000lbs 12 inches off of the ground.

Back in the mid 60's the military tested Marciano's power. They figured out that Marciano's suzie Q had more force behind it than an armor peircing bullet and had enough force to spot lift 1000lbs 12 inches off of the ground.

And how did they figure that out?

archie moore said marciano hit pretty hard but it wasnt the power, it was the pace he kept up

On that famous photo Walcott looks like hes being hit pretty hard to me lol wouldnt like to think I was on the end of one the Rocks punches.

I'll say it again......Physics!! Power = force x velocity (the acceleration of a body is proportional to the resultant force exerted on the body and is inversely proportional to the mass of the body; Newton's second law inextricably links mass and force). All extraneous variables aside, taking into account pure power for a single punch, Tyson had greater power. One could endlessly quibble about strength-endurance related punching power, but to what end? Certainly not one that can be quantified with any objectivity. Pound for pound single-punch power, the argument is different...I think some folks are inadvertantly doing this and using it as the basis for pressuming that Marciano had equivalent single-punch power.

Tyson by far was the superior puncher.

Tyson by far was the superior puncher.

LMAO, way to jump on the bandwagon. Do you even know who the 2 in question are? The least you could do would be to give atleast a small explanation. Sure tyson had bigger arms, better delivery time, accuracy,etc, BUT MARCIANO WOULD HIT HARDER. For instance Marciano's best hook, to tyson's best hook. both are well known for their hooks, but marciano would be more likely to give you brain damage. and he hit harder.

Yeah man no doubt in my mind that Tyson was the better puncher, but Marciano had power that made Tyson's shots feel like nothing. Not to say Tyson did not have knockout power, he could knockout anyone in history, just not with one shot.

If you don't think tyson had as much power in 1 punch, watch this
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It's just that Marciano carried this golden punch the whole fight.

I feel like I get a little bit dumber every time I read through this thread, and I'm left to wonder; why has Salvatore32 not attempted to rebut my posts? Hmmm...

Tyson didn't hit at 1750 PSI, he hit at 1350 PSI. Also, Marciano never had a PSI test.

When did all this take place?

Rooney, in an interview, said Mike never took a PSI test because Cayton would never allow Mike to throw a punch as hard as he could for no reaon/no fight/no MONEY.

archie moore said marciano hit pretty hard but it wasnt the power, it was the pace he kept up

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/archie1209.htm


Marciano eventually wore Moore down, to the point where the referee wanted to stop the fight after eight rounds.

"Oh, no," an exhausted Moore protested. "I want to be counted out. I'm a champion, too."

But Moore's bloodiest fight was not his loss to Marciano, or his wars with Johnson and Maxim. It came in 1958, in the first of his title defenses against the Canadian Durelle.
Moore, who was to win on an 11th-round knockout, was floored four times.

"The first time he put me down ... I thought 'Wow, this guy can hit,' " Moore recalled. "They said Marciano was a house wrecker, and he was, but it took him a volley to get the job done. This guy ... one punch."

The best k.o win tyson has is Micheal Spinks, he k.od a bunch of no names just like my hero(Julio Cesar Chavez- not being sarcastic on chavez)Tyson really didnt have great power as people believed, he just established a reputation of a monster that will never be beat, he fought on t.v 16 times a year in 86 and 87 and beat no names, we all know how it went for him with real opposition like Lewis and Evander

Spinks is actually a good example at comparing the power...

Spinks was one of the greatest light-heavyweights ever. When he fought Tyson, he was undefeated, which means he had never been knocked out, and if I recall, never hit the canvas as a pro.

So, you have a "Fresh", "Great" (now Former) Light-Heavyweight Champion, who filled out and became a Heavyweight Champion (after beating Holmes), facing a 5'11, 220 pound heavyweight in Mike Tyson.

What happened, this happened:
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Lets remember, Marciano had trouble knocking out LaStarza in the first fight, despite hitting him flush a number of times. Someobdy already mentioned that Moore took flush shots, especially from the mid rounds on from Marciano.
Charles took some nice shots and Archie Moore took a beating.

A key note that we might have to look into is this:
Fighters like Charles, Moore, and Walcott, had all been knocked out several times before, and what happens to a fighter that is knocked out, he suffers a concussion, or so I hear and read in several sources. There are a lot of people that cannot recover from one knockout or concussion, let alone several. How much does this play into everything, depends on how much you want to look into it. Factor in age of the fighters as well, and how many wars and or fights they had prior. In addition, the weight/frame (and I am talking about muscle weight), of the opponents they had to fight.


It would be best to compare Marciano's power with fighters under 200 pounds.


And to the person that said Marciano was a "Better Boxer than Tyson", WOW, I guess it does prove that two people can watch the same thing and see two different things.

Spinks is actually a good example at comparing the power...

Spinks was one of the greatest light-heavyweights ever. When he fought Tyson, he was undefeated, which means he had never been knocked out, and if I recall, never hit the canvas as a pro.

So, you have a "Fresh", "Great" (now Former) Light-Heavyweight Champion, who filled out and became a Heavyweight Champion (after beating Holmes), facing a 5'11, 220 pound heavyweight in Mike Tyson.

What happened, this happened:
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Lets remember, Marciano had trouble knocking out LaStarza in the first fight, despite hitting him flush a number of times. Someobdy already mentioned that Moore took flush shots, especially from the mid rounds on from Marciano.
Charles took some nice shots and Archie Moore took a beating.

A key note that we might have to look into is this:
Fighters like Charles, Moore, and Walcott, had all been knocked out several times before, and what happens to a fighter that is knocked out, he suffers a concussion, or so I hear and read in several sources. There are a lot of people that cannot recover from one knockout or concussion, let alone several. How much does this play into everything, depends on how much you want to look into it. Factor in age of the fighters as well, and how many wars and or fights they had prior. In addition, the weight/frame (and I am talking about muscle weight), of the opponents they had to fight.


It would be best to compare Marciano's power with fighters under 200 pounds.


And to the person that said Marciano was a "Better Boxer than Tyson", WOW, I guess it does prove that two people can watch the same thing and see two different things.


best post in the thread.

Tyson
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Remembering Tyson's incredible speed of hand and agile ability as a youngster, incredible
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Good Highlights of Marciano

Pt 1
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Tyson and Marciano came to fight and excite the crowd in their primes.

If you go by what many say about the body of a "Man", Tyson would not have been in his physical "prime" nor "mental" (if you want to add that in to the equation) in what people determine was his "Prime." (which was only because we are basing it on him getting rid of Rooney and declining in his skill as a result); Tyson's physical prime should of been what many say is when they hit their "Man stage", 25+ years old.


Also of note: According to an inteview (on another site) from one of Tyson's handlers (when he was with Rooney), Tyson was far more impressive in Training/Gym than he was in his fights. This was because Tyson was more relaxed in the Gym and could display what Rooney was teaching him and having him do. If I remember correctly, I think he stated Tyson was fighting with less than half or even 10% of what he was displaying in the gym.
This is why people say fighting in the gym is different than fighting under the lights.

I wonder however if Tyson had stayed with Rooney, matured into his 20's, giving him that time to become a "Master" of the D'amato style, building his mind of understanding the fight game inside the ring, how much better would have Tyson had been.

But this is the problem and this is why some people feel disgusted towards Tyson, people feel he through it all away, that "we were cheated" of someone that could of and probably should have been the best.

But who knows...


Hope there is a "who hits harder, Marciano or Foreman "thread

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Pt 2

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best post in the thread.

About Marciano being the better boxer, the whole deffinition of what makes a boxer a boxer is the ability to hit and not get hit, whether it is hit them so they can't hit you back, hit them and move so they can't hit back, or just stay away and jab that is what makes a well rounded boxer. Marciano was good at hitting and slipping punches, lets give him credit their, better than any heavyweight I have ever seen.

If you go by what many say about the body of a "Man", Tyson would not have been in his physical "prime" nor "mental" (if you want to add that in to the equation) in what people determine was his "Prime." (which was only because we are basing it on him getting rid of Rooney and declining in his skill as a result); Tyson's physical prime should of been what many say is when they hit their "Man stage", 25+ years old.


Also of note: According to an inteview (on another site) from one of Tyson's handlers (when he was with Rooney), Tyson was far more impressive in Training/Gym than he was in his fights. This was because Tyson was more relaxed in the Gym and could display what Rooney was teaching him and having him do. If I remember correctly, I think he stated Tyson was fighting with less than half or even 10% of what he was displaying in the gym.
This is why people say fighting in the gym is different than fighting under the lights.

I wonder however if Tyson had stayed with Rooney, matured into his 20's, giving him that time to become a "Master" of the D'amato style, building his mind of understanding the fight game inside the ring, how much better would have Tyson had been.

But this is the problem and this is why some people feel disgusted towards Tyson, people feel he through it all away, that "we were cheated" of someone that could of and probably should have been the best.

But who knows...


Hope there is a "who hits harder, Marciano or Foreman "thread

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Pt 2

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i would agree with that if you have ever seen tyson sparring under rooney he looked a much more complete fighter than when he was in the ring defending his titles. He was quick , punched harder and more accurate , more headmovement and better footwork, balance and did moves that he never even dreamed of doing in the in the pro ring . You only have to look at his exhibition with sanders , the speed , the power he was a year older than when he lost to mcbride but he boxed and moved like he was 20 years younger. if the tyson who sparred with sanders fought any of the title holders today he would knock them out in one round but tyson isnt able to handle the spotlight and scrutiny anymore and doesent have the believe and that is why he coouldnt beat mcbride. he doesent have the believe or desire that he had with rooney . with rooney tyson was always scared of his opponent but he deflected that fear on to his opponent now when an opponent doesnt fall in one round and starts to tie him up him up the fear he has is deflected on himself and no longer is deflected on his opponent . he becomes afraid of loosing and gives up . Fear of failure is failure waiting to happen. They say boxing is 90% mental and 10 % physical and tyson opitimises that theory better than any fighter. It really is extraordinary to look at tyson against sanders and the tyson who lost to mcbride . They are like 2 completely different fighters . Its almost impossible for one to believe that they are the same guy but they are . It really is extraordinary.

i would agree with that if you have ever seen tyson sparring under rooney he looked a much more complete fighter than when he was in the ring defending his titles. He was quick , punched harder and more accurate , more headmovement and better footwork, balance and did moves that he never even dreamed of doing in the in the pro ring . You only have to look at his exhibition with sanders , the speed , the power he was a year older than when he lost to mcbride but he boxed and moved like he was 20 years younger. if the tyson who sparred with sanders fought any of the title holders today he would knock them out in one round but tyson isnt able to handle the spotlight and scrutiny anymore and doesent have the believe and that is why he coouldnt beat mcbride. he doesent have the believe or desire that he had with rooney . with rooney tyson was always scared of his opponent but he deflected that fear on to his opponent now when an opponent doesnt fall in one round and starts to tie him up him up the fear he has is deflected on himself and no longer is deflected on his opponent . he becomes afraid of loosing and gives up . Fear of failure is failure waiting to happen. They say boxing is 90% mental and 10 % physical and tyson opitimises that theory better than any fighter. It really is extraordinary to look at tyson against sanders and the tyson who lost to mcbride . They are like 2 completely different fighters . Its almost impossible for one to believe that they are the same guy but they are . It really is extraordinary.

tysons knee wasnt all the way heeled and your giving rooney way too much credit.. he abused his power after cus dmato died.. rooney sucks as a trainer thats why he has no fighters now that are any good

I would say Tyson by far. Marciano, a devastating puncher in his own right, wore most of his opponents down with a cumulative effect of punches. Tyson, on the other hand, could (and did) knock mother****ers out with one punch - with either hand. Hell, I seen him knock this dude down with a jab! The true measure of his punching prowess is manifested in the number of fights he terminated within 3 rounds.

It could also be argued that among heavyweights, Tyson was the single most devastating puncher of all times. A fellow by the name of George Foreman was also a brute, until Muhammad Ali rudely interrupted his journey toward becoming a legendary puncher. I'll never forget the jarring effect of a left hook that litterally lifted Joe Frazier off his feet before depositing him to the canvas in Jamaica.

Top 10 Heavyweight Punchers:

Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Joe Frazier
Primo Carnera
Muhammad Ali

Tyson Easily:boxing:

If you go by what many say about the body of a "Man", Tyson would not have been in his physical "prime" nor "mental" (if you want to add that in to the equation) in what people determine was his "Prime." (which was only because we are basing it on him getting rid of Rooney and declining in his skill as a result); Tyson's physical prime should of been what many say is when they hit their "Man stage", 25+ years old.


Also of note: According to an inteview (on another site) from one of Tyson's handlers (when he was with Rooney), Tyson was far more impressive in Training/Gym than he was in his fights. This was because Tyson was more relaxed in the Gym and could display what Rooney was teaching him and having him do. If I remember correctly, I think he stated Tyson was fighting with less than half or even 10% of what he was displaying in the gym.
This is why people say fighting in the gym is different than fighting under the lights.

I wonder however if Tyson had stayed with Rooney, matured into his 20's, giving him that time to become a "Master" of the D'amato style, building his mind of understanding the fight game inside the ring, how much better would have Tyson had been.

But this is the problem and this is why some people feel disgusted towards Tyson, people feel he through it all away, that "we were cheated" of someone that could of and probably should have been the best.

But who knows...


Hope there is a "who hits harder, Marciano or Foreman "thread

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best poster by far in this thread... karma your way... :p

I would say Tyson by far. Marciano, a devastating puncher in his own right, wore most of his opponents down with a cumulative effect of punches. Tyson, on the other hand, could (and did) knock mother****ers out with one punch - with either hand. Hell, I seen him knock this dude down with a jab! The true measure of his punching prowess is manifested in the number of fights he terminated within 3 rounds.

It could also be argued that among heavyweights, Tyson was the single most devastating puncher of all times. A fellow by the name of George Foreman was also a brute, until Muhammad Ali rudely interrupted his journey toward becoming a legendary puncher. I'll never forget the jarring effect of a left hook that litterally lifted Joe Frazier off his feet before depositing him to the canvas in Jamaica.

Top 10 Heavyweight Punchers:

Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Joe Frazier
Primo Carnera
Muhammad Ali

what about earnie shavers

I would say Tyson by far. Marciano, a devastating puncher in his own right, wore most of his opponents down with a cumulative effect of punches. Tyson, on the other hand, could (and did) knock mother****ers out with one punch - with either hand. Hell, I seen him knock this dude down with a jab! The true measure of his punching prowess is manifested in the number of fights he terminated within 3 rounds.

It could also be argued that among heavyweights, Tyson was the single most devastating puncher of all times. A fellow by the name of George Foreman was also a brute, until Muhammad Ali rudely interrupted his journey toward becoming a legendary puncher. I'll never forget the jarring effect of a left hook that litterally lifted Joe Frazier off his feet before depositing him to the canvas in Jamaica.

Top 10 Heavyweight Punchers:

Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Joe Frazier
Primo Carnera
Muhammad Ali


Having Joe Frazier, Primo Carnera, MUHAMMAD ALI and Jack Johnson over Earnie Shavers as a puncher is obsurd. None of them hit harder than Shavers. Shavers has the hardest single punch in boxing history.

what about earnie shaversTo be perfectly honest with you, I thought about him, but left him off the list because he never became a champion.

Having Joe Frazier, Primo Carnera, MUHAMMAD ALI and Jack Johnson over Earnie Shavers as a puncher is obsurd. None of them hit harder than Shavers. Shavers has the hardest single punch in boxing history.In boxing history?! That's quite a stretch. Do you know this to be an incontrovertible scientific fact?

Having Joe Frazier, Primo Carnera, MUHAMMAD ALI and Jack Johnson over Earnie Shavers as a puncher is obsurd. None of them hit harder than Shavers. Shavers has the hardest single punch in boxing history.

Tyson KO4 Peak Larry Holmes :fing02:

Tyson KO4 Peak Larry Holmes :fing02:

Holmes KO 11 peak Ali, Berbick ud 15 peak Ali. Liston dive twice for Ali's sake.

tyson................Would you care to elaborate? :D

Would you care to elaborate? :D not a problem

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tyson is far more powerful than that loser.

if they were both in there primes tyson would ko him in less than 3 rounds

not a problem


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tyson is far more powerful than that loser.

if they were both in there primes tyson would ko him in less than 3 rounds

Bull ****. Its kind of funny to call someone a loser who never lost.

Man that is a terrible list...Tyson number one? Muhammad Ali even in the thing? Primo Carnera? The only thing special about him is he didn't die after the Baer fight...

Where do you get Tyson KOed a peak Larry Holmes? Larry was so far over the hill he was almost under it...

When Marciano hit the 300lbs bag it was like watching Tyson on the 150lbs one...

Man that is a terrible list...Tyson number one? Muhammad Ali even in the thing? Primo Carnera? The only thing special about him is he didn't die after the Baer fight...

Where do you get Tyson KOed a peak Larry Holmes? Larry was so far over the hill he was almost under it...

When Marciano hit the 300lbs bag it was like watching Tyson on the 150lbs one...

thats complete crap tyson hit way harder than marciano . Glenn Mcroy who sparred with tyson said that tyson use to send his sparring partners to intensive care and that nobody could punch like tyson.

catskills23, Robin Givens told me in person, that Tyson's power is overrated.

Man that is a terrible list...Tyson number one? Muhammad Ali even in the thing? Primo Carnera? The only thing special about him is he didn't die after the Baer fight...

Where do you get Tyson KOed a peak Larry Holmes? Larry was so far over the hill he was almost under it...

When Marciano hit the 300lbs bag it was like watching Tyson on the 150lbs one...

Ive actually hit the bag that Tyson hit in Catskills,and that **** feels more then 150lbs,close to 200lbs at least.

If you don't think tyson had as much power in 1 punch, watch this
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It's just that Marciano carried this golden punch the whole fight.
Jesus his left hook is monsterous.

tyson is far more powerful than that loser.

if they were both in there primes tyson would ko him in less than 3 rounds
LOL you call rocky a looser, get of this site because it's obvious you know **** all about boxing.

catskills23, Robin Givens told me in person, that Tyson's power is overrated.

well if it was how come tysons punch bounced her of a wall 4 times.

thats complete crap tyson hit way harder than marciano . Glenn Mcroy who sparred with tyson said that tyson use to send his sparring partners to intensive care and that nobody could punch like tyson.

Whilst i can admit to the fact that i am more of a tyson fan even i can admit to marciano having the heavier hands. get used to it. tyson's power will never be able to match rocky's.

A lot of you seem to forget that Tyson knocked out bigger guys and that Rocky in fact is the equivalent of a cruiserweight today so it's not really a **** on Marciano's name if you say a guy 30 pounds heavier than him hit harder.

Whilst i can admit to the fact that i am more of a tyson fan even i can admit to marciano having the heavier hands. get used to it. tyson's power will never be able to match rocky's.

ARCHIE MOORE HIT HARDDER THEN ROCKY

A lot of you seem to forget that Tyson knocked out bigger guys and that Rocky in fact is the equivalent of a cruiserweight today so it's not really a **** on Marciano's name if you say a guy 30 pounds heavier than him hit harder.

Once they hit 200lbs size doesn't matter anymore...the extra weight is just extra strength in the best case. Just look at that big black 600lbs MMA fighter, he got KOed with one shot by a guy Marciano's size.


The bag Tyson used was 150lbs, it was very solid and shorter than a normal 150lbs bag, but that much wider. Tyson is my height so I just compare...

bump. since my thread just had its first spinoff.

Once they hit 200lbs size doesn't matter anymore...the extra weight is just extra strength in the best case. Just look at that big black 600lbs MMA fighter, he got KOed with one shot by a guy Marciano's size.


The bag Tyson used was 150lbs, it was very solid and shorter than a normal 150lbs bag, but that much wider. Tyson is my height so I just compare...

That bag indeed is solid. I punched it hard a few times when I was in Catskill and it hurt my damn hand.

Tyson's right hand was actually his most devastating weapon. He just rarely landed it flush. When he did, he got a lot of one punch knockdowns/KO's. His uppercut against Fergeson, and of course, poor poor Johnson.

Who had more blunt force trauma behind their punches? Who do you think would be more prone to giving a normal person brain damage. I honestly think they are so similar ( size, shape, style) that i think it is really a toss up. However, i give the overall nod to marciano.

Tyson punches way harder then Marciano. I seen Marciano go to distance with bums. BTW George Foreman is the hardest punching heavyweight ever.

I seen Marciano go to distance with bums.

No you didn't, because there's only one fight left over on video from Marciano's that went the distance, and I'd certainly hope that you're not calling Ezzard Charles a "bum".

Oh, and for the record, those who took the punches of both (like Ali, Norton, Young, Lyle, Caldwell, etc.) all state that Shavers hit harder between him and Foreman, so don't mind if I give their opinions just a little more weight than your own;

"Shavers. No question. At least with Foreman I was able to get up. When Shavers hit me I went down and stayed down." - Ken Norton, when asked who hit harder between the two

"Oooh man, that man is always with me. He hit so hard, the HARDEST (emphasis taken from quote). I still feel his punches today." - Jimmy Young

"Shavers hit me so hard it felt like needles were jabbing the back of my head. Without any hesitation, Shavers was the hardest puncher I met." - Ron Lyle

"He(Shavers) was the hardest hitting human being I've ever met. He hit harder than Foreman and Lyle combined." - Leroy Caldwell

The Ali quote can be looked up in quite a few different places, but you could probably find it easiest by looking at the video of Ali on the Arsenio Hall (with Tyson & Leonard) show on youtube.

I think Marciano had like, what, five fights go the distance? That's not a lot of bums he was going the distance agains! A bum with a great chin will probably hear the score cards every trip of the train. Look at Tex Cobb (I know he's ugly but look at him anyway). NO ONE could crack that chin, and had they fought Tyson wouldn't have either.

Poet

Look at Tex Cobb (I know he's ugly but look at him anyway).

LOL, that's ****ing classic!

*hefty claps*

Bravo!

Marciano is a BUM what he weight in the past isn't consider Heavy Weight Today. What I said b4 still stands Marciano was a bum who fought bums PERIOD. The people he fought NONE had good defense seriously. Thats like Tyson fighting random people in the street who dont have any boxing experience. Any heavy can swing hard at someone who doesn't put their hands up.

Who had more blunt force trauma behind their punches? Who do you think would be more prone to giving a normal person brain damage. I honestly think they are so similar ( size, shape, style) that i think it is really a toss up. However, i give the overall nod to marciano.
I will say IRON MIKE no doubt.

Marciano is a BUM what he weight in the past isn't consider Heavy Weight Today. What I said b4 still stands Marciano was a bum who fought bums PERIOD. The people he fought NONE had good defense seriously. Thats like Tyson fighting random people in the street who dont have any boxing experience. Any heavy can swing hard at someone who doesn't put their hands up.

Whatever you say, chief.

Tyson had more raw power but Marciano had more brains. That's why Marciano would have knocked his ignorant ass out. Tyson quits if you take him past 5. Marciano by 7th round KO

Tyson quits if you take him past 5.

:rolleyes:

Honestly though its Marciano, Tyson wasn't a on punch guy..Marciano was, don't get me wrong Tyson probably hit harder but his devastation lies in his combanations..Marciano's a one hit artist...I think you got it the other way around.

bump cuz i havent been on in months.

i'd say tyson, but i's rather fight tyson then marciano, marciano could fight for 20 rounds while tyson was practically dead at round 9

It was very close, but i had to go with Tyson. He always seemed to go a lil harder then Marciano.

looks like tyson takes this one.

Gotta go with my man Mike Tyson, he was Much faster, threw with better form/technique and was what 2 stone heavier? Yup Mike hit harder for me

I feel Marcaino was the bigger puncher and the more heavy handed fighter out the pair. Not by much do........

Its close???? My ass. lol Tyson was way more powerful than Marciano. We need to compare Tysons punching power against guys like Forman, Liston, and Shavers. Marciano will never fit into that group.

Its close???? My ass. lol Tyson was way more powerful than Marciano. We need to compare Tysons punching power against guys like Forman, Liston, and Shavers. Marciano will never fit into that group.

I tend to agree, cool sig by the way

For me Tyson has the most punching power amongst all HW, rivalled only by Foreman and Earnie Shavers.

For me Tyson has the most punching power amongst all HW, rivalled only by Foreman and Earnie Shavers.

I think both those guys have more power than Tyson tho

Yeh Tyson didnt have as much power as Shavers and Foreman, but he was more accurate and punched in stupidly quick combos!.

Marciano nuthuggers are fuggin retards. Sheesh.

I guess you never saw the Marciano-Walcott knockout. That's the best one punch knockout I've ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9msELiZKyU

I don't know who had the better one-punch power but this is a good question. Marciano had knock-out power in the 13th round. Tyson was awesome in the early part of the fight. Tyson was 20 pounds heavier but that doesn't always translate into more power.

Marciano is a BUM what he weight in the past isn't consider Heavy Weight Today. What I said b4 still stands Marciano was a bum who fought bums PERIOD. The people he fought NONE had good defense seriously. Thats like Tyson fighting random people in the street who dont have any boxing experience. Any heavy can swing hard at someone who doesn't put their hands up.

I'm not a Marciano fan. And I think he is overrated by some, but he certainly wasn't a bum. He's definitely an ATG. Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles were also ATGs.

Without a doubt the 50s was not the best era in heavyweight boxing, but there is a big difference in not being the GOAT and being a bum. Marciano is definitely a top 10, at worst a top 20. (Ring has him at 6). That's not a bum.

Its close???? My ass. lol Tyson was way more powerful than Marciano. We need to compare Tysons punching power against guys like Forman, Liston, and Shavers. Marciano will never fit into that group.

Marciano will fit into that group. Marcaino held a KO Percentage higher than all the fighters you named. Out of his 49 wins 43 were by KO, he posssed one of the best KO Percentages of all time(87%). Out of 7 World Title Fights that he was involved in, he knocked out 6.

Marcaino hit like hell with both hands.But the overhand right was the one he went most often for the Kayo. He threw it sometimes like he was back on the ball field, raring back and giving it some extra snap at the end, but just as often it was short and you didnt even knew he threw it until the other guy was quivering on the mat with the referee over him and Marcaino in the neutral corner.

Today, we see punchers build kayo record early in their career's only to watch that kayo percentage plumment when they start to face top 10 or world class fighters. It was the other way round with Marcaino, of his six career decision wins five came before he was champion.

When Ring Magazine done there 100 greatest pucnhers of all time Marcaino was ranked 14th higher than both Tyson and Liston.

To say he isn't in the league with the fighters you mentioned is complete bogus.

Marciano will fit into that group. Marcaino held a KO Percentage higher than all the fighters you named. Out of his 49 wins 43 were by KO, he posssed one of the best KO Percentages of all time(87%). Out of 7 World Title Fights that he was involved in, he knocked out 6.

Marcaino hit like hell with both hands.But the overhand right was the one he went most often for the Kayo. He threw it sometimes like he was back on the ball field, raring back and giving it some extra snap at the end, but just as often it was short and you didnt even knew he threw it until the other guy was quivering on the mat with the referee over him and Marcaino in the neutral corner.

Today, we see punchers build kayo record early in their career's only to watch that kayo percentage plumment when they start to face top 10 or world class fighters. It was the other way round with Marcaino, of his six career decision wins five came before he was champion.

When Ring Magazine done there 100 greatest pucnhers of all time Marcaino was ranked 14th higher than both Tyson and Liston.

To say he isn't in the league with the fighters you mentioned is complete bogus.
Agree with this, whatever negative comments are made about Marciano such as his competition, size etc no one can agrgue that he could hit. Another factor is his stamina, I would put the weight of punch of Marciano (and Frazier) in the later rounds against any fighter.

tyson outweighed rocky by 30 fkn pounds!

tyson outweighed rocky by 30 fkn pounds!
Punching is timing not weight lots of huge fighters cant punch for ****.

I rate Marciano's punching power very highly, as perhaps one of the best p4p punchers of all time.

I'm not sure if he punched harder than Tyson though. Size does matter, and Tyson had a 30 lb weight advantage over Marciano who never truly proved his power against 200+ lb ranked opponents.

Later on in his title reign he turned into more of a wear-them-down type of pressure fighter instead of going for the one punch KO's which he was known for earlier in his career.

I never thought of Tyson as a one punch KO artist, he got his opposition out of there with pin-point, accurate combinations. In the 90's he did prove to be dangerous even though he had abandoned most of his technique and went for homeruns with each punch he threw. He could only KO fringe contenders this way however and found little success against Holyfield and Lewis.

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tyson outweighed rocky by 30 fkn pounds!

Some of the biggest punchers were not the heaviest boxers. Look at the poll question neither Marciano nor Tyson are anywhere near the heaviest boxers of all time.

Nor were Foreman (220-225) Shavers (205-215)

Max Baer (210) Joe Louis (210)

What about Braddock a natural middleweight (Paul Williams type body) who fought at heavy to make more money. There was little money at middleweight in the 20s.

What about Harry Greb and many others who had real juice, true KO power and yet were skinny f*ks?

Are the hardest throwing pitchers all the biggest guys? No. Speed, fluidity, timing all count. Look at Tiger Woods he outhits guys outweighing him by 40 pounds. He weighs about 20 pounds more now than when he came up 10 years ago but he isn't hitting the ball any further.

Weight counts (duh -- we have weight classes) but greater weight does not equal greater punching power)

TheGreatA, another great set of videos mate. Keep up the good work, i never get tired of watching your vids!.

tyson outweighed rocky by 30 fkn pounds!

Valuev outweighs tyson by over 100lbs so he must hit much harder?

I'd say Marciano because his power translated the whole fight, whereas Tyson's disappeared if you dragged out the fight. Also, I don't think Tyson ever knocked anyone out the way Marciano did, against relatively better competition.

I voted even.. Tyson hit harder, but P4P it was Marciano..

I'd say Marciano because his power translated the whole fight, whereas Tyson's disappeared if you dragged out the fight. Also, I don't think Tyson ever knocked anyone out the way Marciano did, against relatively better competition.

That's true. One thing about Marciano that you can notice with his punching is that he threw very relaxed which caused less tension in his muscles to wear down. However, are we talking about lasting power or one shot power?

This is a good example of the way Marciano threw his punches with being relaxed up until he lands the devastating punch

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SPINKS KO for start.

Spinks is going down as one of the greatest LH in history. A LH that moved up and beat Larry Holmes {a legit 200+ pound HW Great} when Holmes was HW Champion and undefeated. Although Larry was not at his peak anymore despite still holding on to the title. Either way, given Marciano's greatest wins were largely fighters that were under 200 pounds and were known more as LH fighters, and given their age, the amount of times they lost, wars they fought, and were knocked out...I think I would credit Tyson with the Spinks KO in just 1 round quite high given the comparison.

Spinks was undefeated and had never been knocked out
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List the big Marciano KO's:

Walcott; Layne....

List the big Marciano KO's:

Walcott; Layne....

I think Marciano deserves extra credit for knocking Walcott and Layne out cold though, with single punches. 'Kid' Matthews was also another Marciano KO victim.

I can't really remember a Tyson KO like those, over a notable opponent.

Marciano's KO over Louis and Tyson's KO over Holmes were similar, not with single punches but neither Louis or Holmes were about to get up.

As much as i respect Marciano's power and his legacy, it's hard for me to put him in the same league as Tyson. When i think about the Spinks and the Berbick KOs, i don't think that someone can do that in boxing history in such shocking fashion and as fast.

Marciano didn't have the speed and the athleticism of Tyson. Tyson had a power created by a perfect balance and an awesome speed.
Plus Tyson was bigger.

Power, Marciano.

Speed, Tyson.

I think Marciano deserves extra credit for knocking Walcott and Layne out cold though, with single punches. 'Kid' Matthews was also another Marciano KO victim.

I can't really remember a Tyson KO like those, over a notable opponent.

Marciano's KO over Louis and Tyson's KO over Holmes were similar, not with single punches but neither Louis or Holmes were about to get up.

Kid Matthews wasn't exactly a "big" guy. No way can he count as a HW. I'm not even sure he was the same weight as Marciano for their fight. At least the other two are basically CW or near it.

And for Louis, he was a shot fighter. Tyson and many others would have tore up that version of Louis.

I think it may have been Atlas that talked about this KO because it showed Marciano's ability to double up on the left-hook at the right time...
{something on those lines}.

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Walcott: That was a huge KO but for me, it takes some of the sting away because others have knocked him out. Plus, some of the devastation of that punch was helped by Walcott starting to throw at Rocky and it caused a wide-open shot with Walcott's momentum coming right into the punch.

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What I like about that KO was how Rocky calmy stalked Walcott back to the ropes...feinted with the jab and then unloaded the right right on the chin of Walcott as he was just making the move to throw his own.

Speaking of Walcott, he had a big KO over Charles which I was amazed to see when I first saw it.

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Kid Matthews wasn't exactly a "big" guy. No way can he count as a HW. At least the other two are basically CW.

True but Matthews was known for his durability. As I stated in an earlier post, Marciano's lack of KO wins against world class 200+ lbs opponents makes me doubt his punching ability when compared to the big heavyweights. Against men his size and a little bigger he was surely devastating.


I think it may have been Atlas that talked about this KO because it showed Marciano's ability to double up on the left-hook at the right time...
{something on those lines}.

It was a very good double left hook but I must admit that I've never seen Marciano do it in another fight.

Walcott: That was a huge KO but for me, it takes some of the sting away because others have knocked him out. Plus, some of the devastation of that punch was helped by Walcott starting to throw at Rocky and it caused a wide-open shot with Walcott's momentum coming right into the punch.

I've read up on Walcott's other KO losses and also of course seen him knocked out by Louis. He supposedly pretty much quit due to exhaustion against Abe Simon and was beaten by body punches against Ettore. He didn't actually train for his fights around these times so it's not surprising that he would start fading late.

He actually fought more punchers than most other heavyweights and his chin proved to be solid and his defensive abilities even better.

Elmer Ray, Lee Q Murray, Curtis Sheppard, Tommy Gomez were all notable punchers he defeated, among others.

What I like about that KO was how Rocky calmy stalked Walcott back to the ropes...feinted with the jab and then unloaded the right right on the chin of Walcott as he was just making the move to throw his own.

It was certainly a perfectly timed punch. Walcott had actually taken some solid right hand punches before in the fight but the last one he never saw coming, thus you may have a point about what you said above.

Then again it would probably be easier to see a Marciano haymaker coming than a short, explosive punch from Tyson.

As much as i respect Marciano's power and his legacy, it's hard for me to put him in the same league as Tyson. When i think about the Spinks and the Berbick KOs, i don't think that someone can do that in boxing history in such shocking fashion and as fast.

Marciano didn't have the speed and the athleticism of Tyson. Tyson had a power created by a perfect balance and an awesome speed.
Plus Tyson was bigger.
The only thing that genuinely seperates them is about 30lbs.. Other than that, they were quite similar really.. I'd say (fantasy match) if they fought at 195, Tyson would be faster, but Rock would have the edge in power.. The deciding factor would be heart.. Which I feel Marciano wins hands down..

I remember reading recently that Tyson worked his way up to destroying a 300 pound bag, at which point he hurt his hand and used smaller bags from then on. I vaguely remember reading that the custom bag rocky used was significantly smaller than 300 pounds. Based on video, weight, and this I give Tyson the nod. Marciano hit harder than Dempsey but I don't think he hit harder than Tyson. I could be wrong but there are too many responses to go through.

It was measured

Rocky hit at 1000 lbs (measured in the army)

Tyson at 1600 lbs (measured for his video game around 2002-2003)


Even if thats all bogus, Rocky doesn't pack the same punch as Tyson nor is he as big. Tyson has a lot more natural muscle at 217 lbs in his prime.

The only thing that genuinely seperates them is about 30lbs.. Other than that, they were quite similar really.. I'd say (fantasy match) if they fought at 195, Tyson would be faster, but Rock would have the edge in power.. The deciding factor would be heart.. Which I feel Marciano wins hands down..

Tyson was 13 years old when he was 195. "Modern conditioning" didn't bring him up to 217-220. Rocky was even small for his day.

tyson, no doubt.

Tyson was 13 years old when he was 195. "Modern conditioning" didn't bring him up to 217-220. Rocky was even small for his day.
I'm not referring to who can hit a machine the hardest, as this bears no comparison as to who would have more power in a 12/15 round fight.. I feel that Tyson relied heavilly on intimidation & didn't respond so well when guys were beating up on him, where as it seemed to make Marciano stronger & more determined.. Strictly from a boxing point of view, I believe Rock had more heart, which in the later rounds = more power (P4P)....