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7001
04-14-2007, 12:24 PM
That right is slowly being stripped away, right out from underneath our noses. We have people like Oprah and Nancy Grace with special edition scissors cutting the balls off of America. People like Sharpton have turned this country into ****. Since when does the term "nappy headed ho's" become an offense worth firing a man who has been at his job for 30 or plus more years? And since when was "nappy" a racial slurr? I feel sorry for rap music.

While we're worried about that we have a growing number of illegal immigrants destroying our job market. But don't dare say go back home, or you will be called out and and say it's an attack on their race. No, it's an attack on ILLEGAL (not according to or authorized by law: not sanctioned by official rules) IMMIGRANTS (a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence b : a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown). Doesn't matter where they come from or their race or their religion. Illegal is illegal.

Say something negative about the Jewish religion and you're automatically a Nazi. Or an anti Semitist.

People it's time to get over the "poor little me and my hurt feelings" **** and look around.

Your rights are being stolen from you.

Welter_Skelter
04-14-2007, 12:32 PM
That right is slowly being stripped away, right out from underneath our noses. We have people like Oprah and Nancy Grace with special edition scissors cutting the balls off of America. People like Sharpton have turned this country into ****. Since when does the term "nappy headed ho's" become an offense worth firing a man who has been at his job for 30 or plus more years? And since when was "nappy" a racial slurr? I feel sorry for rap music.

While we're worried about that we have a growing number of illegal immigrants destroying our job market. But don't dare say go back home, or you will be called out and and say it's an attack on their race. No, it's an attack on ILLEGAL (not according to or authorized by law: not sanctioned by official rules) IMMIGRANTS (a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence b : a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown). Doesn't matter where they come from or their race or their religion. Illegal is illegal.

Say something negative about the Jewish religion and you're automatically a Nazi. Or an anti Semitist.

People it's time to get over the "poor little me and my hurt feelings" **** and look around.

Your rights are being stolen from you.

Right out of the pages of USSR... the left wing agenda has taken control of the media.. We are lied to an manipulated daily..

LOLORSKATES
04-14-2007, 01:25 PM
From Kansascity.com....

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

7001
04-14-2007, 08:07 PM
That was a good article.

And Welter you should see some of the **** that goes on here. The term "nappy headed hos" got a dude fired after being on a radio station for 30 years. There wasn't any reference to black or white. I never knew that the word nappy was a racial slur. People are being way to sesitive over words. They recently tried to ban the "N" word in part of NY. It's getting out of hand. If they ban the "N" word, then rap music will have to stop all together. It's not a left wing agenda thing. It's the truth.

OptimusWolf
04-15-2007, 09:05 PM
I agree with most of the above, but don't get confused between freedom of speech and the right to abuse other people in print or speech.

For example,

writing an article arguing that all immigrants should return to their country of origin is a matter of freedom of speech.

writing an article using racist descriptions, slogans etc is not a matter of freedom of speech as I understand it.

In some european countries you are not legally allowed to state that you believe the holocaust never happened or was grossly exaggerated, as some historians think. That is an awful and unnecessary breach of freedom of speech IMO. Some formerly respected academic got sent to jail for writing a book on the subject.

Dr.Depravity
04-20-2007, 12:14 AM
The USA is going down the ****ter 7001. :nonono:

Piggu
04-20-2007, 12:18 AM
Or how that dude was arrested for saying something about the Korean dude who killed 32 other people. The guy said something about how he could understand how the dude went insane, and he was arrested.

And while the cops are so busy arresting people for talking about a killer, where the hell were they when this dude was shooting up a storm?

PBDS
04-20-2007, 12:22 AM
From Kansascity.com....

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.



...Wow Red, that was a great article.

LOLORSKATES
04-20-2007, 12:31 AM
...Wow Red, that was a great article.

It opened up my eyes greatly. I really feel as if African Americans don't have much of a leader to look upon. Sure there are in the community but not in the spotlight. Jackson and Sharpton are living in the days of MLK and X due to them only worrying about some Caucasian saying something that is suppose to be racial yet nothing is said about rappers. Double standards can be played on more than one term.

Oprah doesn't give a **** in my opinion due to the fact that she'll have the whole Rutgers team on her show, not to express the importance of an already blown out issue but just to get her ratings up.

Dr.Depravity
04-20-2007, 12:41 AM
Race relations will never get better until the double standard goes away. Sharpton and Jackson will never let that happen. You cannot criticize blacks, unless they rich, and labeled sellouts. And whites cannot criticize blacks ever. Yet white can and will be criticized and called anything under the sun and there will never be any backlash about it.

Jim_Davis
04-20-2007, 12:50 AM
Race relations will never get better until the double standard goes away. Sharpton and Jackson will never let that happen. You cannot criticize blacks, unless they rich, and labeled sellouts. And whites cannot criticize blacks ever. Yet white can and will be criticized and called anything under the sun and there will never be any backlash about it.

Well thats the white peoples fault. Its their own fault if they dont take offence.

LOLORSKATES
04-20-2007, 01:27 AM
Well thats the white peoples fault. Its their own fault if they dont take offence.

Kinda hard when it's like whenever a white guy does something wrong to another race it's supposively racist.

Scottie2Hottie
04-20-2007, 08:56 AM
meh, its a sad, ****ed up situation. on one side, a lot of minority people feeling sorry for themselves, and on the other side, a lot of patrician whites facilitating the bull**** and pretending theyre bridging the gap.

personally, i say **** anyone who's dumb enough to follow the ****ing hip hop culture or take anything those idiots say seriously. in also say **** any white people who feel like we need to spoon feed minority groups to make up for some past transgression they faced, even though every ****ing group that has come to america, including WASPs right off the mayflower, has faced adversity of some kind. a lot of it was worse than what blacks (and dont gimme that african american ****, youre either african or american with african ancestors. lose the ****ing hyphen) have gone through.

OptimusWolf
04-20-2007, 05:37 PM
I liked the read, very positive thinking.

This issue isn't that complicated really. The establishment needs to protect minority groups from abuse, and everybody should condemn whoever this guy was who made racist comments given a public platform.

But that should be a given, and is pretty much today. The more difficult part and the part the author was getting at - are the internal problems facing many minority groups today. In the Uk we have black on black gun and knife crime, honour killings, terrorism, black vs asian riots and on and on. The establishment (mainly government) need to protect these groups but for f8cks sake these groups need to move forward when given a platform to do so.

This also applies to any group, not just ethnic minorities. i'd have similar words for the miners in the 80s, and the rover workers a few years ago.

LOLORSKATES
04-20-2007, 08:32 PM
Relating to what Scottie said in his last paragraph is that the problem to me isn't the violent video games and the rap music it's the people who can't distinguish fantasy from reality.

Rockin'
04-22-2007, 08:05 PM
That right is slowly being stripped away, right out from underneath our noses. We have people like Oprah and Nancy Grace with special edition scissors cutting the balls off of America. People like Sharpton have turned this country into ****. Since when does the term "nappy headed ho's" become an offense worth firing a man who has been at his job for 30 or plus more years? And since when was "nappy" a racial slurr? I feel sorry for rap music.

While we're worried about that we have a growing number of illegal immigrants destroying our job market. But don't dare say go back home, or you will be called out and and say it's an attack on their race. No, it's an attack on ILLEGAL (not according to or authorized by law: not sanctioned by official rules) IMMIGRANTS (a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence b : a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown). Doesn't matter where they come from or their race or their religion. Illegal is illegal.

Say something negative about the Jewish religion and you're automatically a Nazi. Or an anti Semitist.

People it's time to get over the "poor little me and my hurt feelings" **** and look around.

Your rights are being stolen from you.


Its all so overboard, talk shows and everything.

But what is not is the fact that we spend 8, 10 and even 12 hours a day without freedom of speach. Speak up about rights as a worker at work and 9 times out of 10 you just started a downward spiral that will eventually lead to your dismissal. They are afraid of unionization, they being the corporations, and become on edge when thinking of the american workforce standing together.

Understand everybody, we need to stand together. For alone we have no voice.

Rockin':boxing:

MANGLER
12-25-2009, 04:24 AM
It's easy as hell for people to sue these days. Everybody lawsuit happy.

And of course there's always sensitive motha****as who easily offended. They the same cats who always try to speak for everybody else playin moral majority. A lotta professional people, especially celebrities are always uptight, tryin to stay PC to preserve they image. They'll **** on or call out anybody else who don't play their game.

It's wack but you just gotta ignore it if you can. Stay to your own, get your own.