LENNOX LEWIS is backing Danny Williams to take on his mantle by beating Vitali Klitschko to become WBC champion in December.

The retirement earlier this year of former heavyweight champion Lewis left a large gap in the division and he believes Williams has the ability to capitalise by taking the title from Klitschko, who he knows well after knocking out the Ukrainian in June 2003.

The fight is scheduled for December 11. No venue has been officially announced.

"Danny has three ways to beat Vitali," said Lewis. "He can go after cuts around his eyes. I exposed him as a fighter who cuts up badly.

"He should also go to Vitali's body, where he is vulnerable. Also, if Danny keeps his cool he could outbox Klitschko and win a decision."

After those recent statements, it has got me thinking....What if Williams does beat vitali? Is that another stab in the heavyweight gut? I mean everyone recognizes vitali as the main champ and if williams beats klitschko will we hold him as the "real" champ? I know people will be all over his testicles after beating tyson and then vitali so people will ride his dick no doubting that one. Williams says he will fight vitali the same way he fought tyson, which has got me thinking aint noway williams is winning this fight w/ that style, in the tyson fight he left his head wide open and was out on his feet when tyson cold ****ed him but held on to a smaller tyson and vitali is 6 inches taller then williams so it wont be as easy to rest his arms on the giant......


What is everyones opinion? If williams wins who is our champ?

My pick is Byrd, Byrd has only been beating by very credible opponents and only been knocked out by the hardest hitting heavyweight since tyson in his prime and that was with a seperated rib......

Anyone?


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Best quote anyone could state at this point regarding lewis and klitschko and other fighters....

"Lennox Lewis gives advice to these fighters from retirement and then sends them to me," Klitschko said. "It didn't help Corrie Sanders. Let's see if it helps Danny Williams, but I doubt it."

Once again, this Danny Williams character is funny. The guy beats a 2004 version of Mike Tyson. NOT the 1988-1990 version whom everyone still thinks he is. Back then, Tyson would've wiped his ass with Danny Williams....

willams ko 9. :cool:

blokes got a heart eh size of a lion. he willneed it though and Danny has always beena fave of mine nit just since beating tyson, bloke has always had the class but not always the mental strength he seems to have found of late.

Once again, this Danny Williams character is funny. The guy beats a 2004 version of Mike Tyson. NOT the 1988-1990 version whom everyone still thinks he is. Back then, Tyson would've wiped his ass with Danny Williams....


Exactly but people are not going to acknowledge that and all that matters is that he beat mike tyson, He could fight tyson at 60 and it would still read he beat Mike Tyson and thats all people will recognize.....

JPW-Vitali has great stamina, I see Vitali pressing to much pressure on Danny.....Danny thinks he is going to wither the storm for 3 rounds and be ok and fight the same way he fought tyson, Now I dont know much about williams but I just dont think that will work....Vitali is a finely tuned athlete and in the later rounds Vitali is still strong.

LENNOX LEWIS is backing Danny Williams to take on his mantle by beating Vitali Klitschko to become WBC champion in December.

The retirement earlier this year of former heavyweight champion Lewis left a large gap in the division and he believes Williams has the ability to capitalise by taking the title from Klitschko, who he knows well after knocking out the Ukrainian in June 2003.

The fight is scheduled for December 11. No venue has been officially announced.

"Danny has three ways to beat Vitali," said Lewis. "He can go after cuts around his eyes. I exposed him as a fighter who cuts up badly.

"He should also go to Vitali's body, where he is vulnerable. Also, if Danny keeps his cool he could outbox Klitschko and win a decision."

After those recent statements, it has got me thinking....What if Williams does beat vitali? Is that another stab in the heavyweight gut? I mean everyone recognizes vitali as the main champ and if williams beats klitschko will we hold him as the "real" champ? I know people will be all over his testicles after beating tyson and then vitali so people will ride his dick no doubting that one. Williams says he will fight vitali the same way he fought tyson, which has got me thinking aint noway williams is winning this fight w/ that style, in the tyson fight he left his head wide open and was out on his feet when tyson cold ****ed him but held on to a smaller tyson and vitali is 6 inches taller then williams so it wont be as easy to rest his arms on the giant......


What is everyones opinion? If williams wins who is our champ?

My pick is Byrd, Byrd has only been beating by very credible opponents and only been knocked out by the hardest hitting heavyweight since tyson in his prime and that was with a seperated rib......

Anyone?


*EDIT*


Best quote anyone could state at this point regarding lewis and klitschko and other fighters....

"Lennox Lewis gives advice to these fighters from retirement and then sends them to me," Klitschko said. "It didn't help Corrie Sanders. Let's see if it helps Danny Williams, but I doubt it."
The same people who think Williams will beat Vitali also thought that Grant would beat Lewis because Grant beat Golota.

Right, my views are that if williams hold his own for a good few rounds then it could be a close bout, he needs to get through the first 4 rounds, then he may be able to take advantage of the klit heads lacking of stamina, i believe that williams will be in excelent shape for this fight

danny williams TKO or decision

Then re-match with tyson lol :p :p :p

I wouldn't put too much weight in what LL has to say about Vitali. He has allways had a bug up his ass about him. This should go as planned. Vitali KO mid rounds.

Right, my views are that if williams hold his own for a good few rounds then it could be a close bout, he needs to get through the first 4 rounds, then he may be able to take advantage of the klit heads lacking of stamina, i believe that williams will be in excelent shape for this fight

danny williams TKO or decision

Then re-match with tyson lol :p :p :p

What makes you question Vitali's stamina?


Especially when williams isnt known as a long distance fighter? On top of that vitali is always in prime condition and has been passed 8-9 rounds a considerable amount, hasnt williams stamina been questioned?

williams should win the fight ..all he has to worry bout is a straight 1 2 his other punches arent up there,,,i cant belive people think klitschko is so great when basically he fought nobody ..three fat men and got KO by one of them..the book is out on wlad i think TOS was gone win that fight with that style... and wlad has more skills then vitali all wlads punches are percise..but it dont matter cuz guys this big will always have stamina problems if they face a puncher becuase they dont move really good.. the more i watch them the more flaws i see at first i thought nobody would beat wlad now i think bryd wouldnt have too hard of a time with either of them..

williams should win the fight ..all he has to worry bout is a straight 1 2 his other punches arent up there,,,i cant belive people think klitschko is so great when basically he fought nobody ..three fat men and got KO by one of them..the book is out on wlad i think TOS was gone win that fight with that style... and wlad has more skills then vitali all wlads punches are percise..but it dont matter cuz guys this big will always have stamina problems if they face a puncher becuase they dont move really good.. the more i watch them the more flaws i see at first i thought nobody would beat wlad now i think bryd wouldnt have too hard of a time with either of them..



Williams has no chin, end of story.

lol, williams has no chin, yes he does

he prooved that against tyson... tyson bombarded him with a hell of a battering and he stayed up

and if you think its 'the end of that' then why raise a topic saying lewis has you thinking, do you change your opinions on boxing cause of what you read within 8 posts, your boxing knowledge cant be up to much if you do

and by the way, williams has been victorious with one arm before so he has enough heart to beat the jumped up womans love bean up

lololol

lol, williams has no chin, yes he does

he prooved that against tyson... tyson bombarded him with a hell of a battering and he stayed up

and if you think its 'the end of that' then why raise a topic saying lewis has you thinking, do you change your opinions on boxing cause of what you read within 8 posts, your boxing knowledge cant be up to much if you do

and by the way, williams has been victorious with one arm before so he has enough heart to beat the jumped up womans love bean up

lololol

Had tyson been 6 inches taller williams would have been out....Watch the fight again, Tyson rocked williams and williams was clearly out and just hang on (good move on his part) and rested on tysons shoulders....Now how would a 6'2 Danny Williams fighting a 6'7-8 vitali klitschko be able to lean on his shoulders, especially with vitalis backing up style????? Tyson comes forward Vitali backs up, big difference....The size will make this fight....


The fact that tyson messed his knee up took his power away, because the legs is the base of where the power comes from.....


Im not changing my mind about anything but their is always "what ifs", I just think if williams fights klitschko the way he fought tyson it wont work because tyson comes forward klitschko does not and the height and reach advantage of klitschko will be the proving point in this fight.....


Like I said Williams was a nobody on this board before he beat tyson, because people just recognize he beat tyson not a tyson that is past his prime and injured...

Fact of the matter was Williams was out on his feet when tyson knocked him and had he had not that reach advantage and height over tyson he would have been out most likely...That same style wont work with vitali....

if tyson was six inches taller what kind of argument is that?

if he had been ten years younger, if he hadnt hurt his knee if n buts and maybes?

sorry spinxjinx I like you mate, i like chatting with ya bro but thats a silly argument, tyson isnt 6 inches taller and Vitali doesnt hit as hard as Tyson so its not a comparable comparsion, comparably :D


anyway we will see, sorry guys gotta go, on leave next week, lets chat closwer too, respect to you guys on the board, good folk, i like it here.


a b ig thanks and ill raise a glass to you on weds on my bday!!!


peace, love n respect to all you boxing fans :cool:

take care
J

if tyson was six inches taller what kind of argument is that?

if he had been ten years younger, if he hadnt hurt his knee if n buts and maybes?

sorry spinxjinx I like you mate, i like chatting with ya bro but thats a silly argument, tyson isnt 6 inches taller and Vitali doesnt hit as hard as Tyson so its not a comparable comparsion, comparably :D


anyway we will see, sorry guys gotta go, on leave next week, lets chat closwer too, respect to you guys on the board, good folk, i like it here.


a b ig thanks and ill raise a glass to you on weds on my bday!!!


peace, love n respect to all you boxing fans :cool:

take care
J



Point taken, but the statement Im trying to make is that vitalis height difference will make the fight....That is just my 2 cents on the whole matter.....

Best quote anyone could state at this point regarding lewis and klitschko and other fighters....

"Lennox Lewis gives advice to these fighters from retirement and then sends them to me," Klitschko said. "It didn't help Corrie Sanders. Let's see if it helps Danny Williams, but I doubt it."







I like this quote by Vitali. It says alot about how Lewis is handling himself in retirement towards Klitschko. Lewis is hungry for someone to defeat Vitali because it's obvious he has a hard-on for Vitali. My question to Lewis would be instead of backing every heavyweight out there against Vitali, why don't you just come out of retirement one last time, train your ass off one last time and give Vitali his rematch. Prove without a shadow of a doubt that you can defeat this man soundly and end the smack-talking that has been going on since you retired.

Best quote anyone could state at this point regarding lewis and klitschko and other fighters....

"Lennox Lewis gives advice to these fighters from retirement and then sends them to me," Klitschko said. "It didn't help Corrie Sanders. Let's see if it helps Danny Williams, but I doubt it."







I like this quote by Vitali. It says alot about how Lewis is handling himself in retirement towards Klitschko. Lewis is hungry for someone to defeat Vitali because it's obvious he has a hard-on for Vitali. My question to Lewis would be instead of backing every heavyweight out there against Vitali, why don't you just come out of retirement one last time, train your ass off one last time and give Vitali his rematch. Prove without a shadow of a doubt that you can defeat this man soundly and end the smack-talking that has been going on since you retired.



Lewis is around 300 pounds now...Yeah right

LENNOX LEWIS is backing Danny Williams to take on his mantle by beating Vitali Klitschko to become WBC champion in December.

The retirement earlier this year of former heavyweight champion Lewis left a large gap in the division and he believes Williams has the ability to capitalise by taking the title from Klitschko, who he knows well after knocking out the Ukrainian in June 2003.

The fight is scheduled for December 11. No venue has been officially announced.

"Danny has three ways to beat Vitali," said Lewis. "He can go after cuts around his eyes. I exposed him as a fighter who cuts up badly.

"He should also go to Vitali's body, where he is vulnerable. Also, if Danny keeps his cool he could outbox Klitschko and win a decision."

After those recent statements, it has got me thinking....What if Williams does beat vitali? Is that another stab in the heavyweight gut? I mean everyone recognizes vitali as the main champ and if williams beats klitschko will we hold him as the "real" champ? I know people will be all over his testicles after beating tyson and then vitali so people will ride his dick no doubting that one. Williams says he will fight vitali the same way he fought tyson, which has got me thinking aint noway williams is winning this fight w/ that style, in the tyson fight he left his head wide open and was out on his feet when tyson cold ****ed him but held on to a smaller tyson and vitali is 6 inches taller then williams so it wont be as easy to rest his arms on the giant......


What is everyones opinion? If williams wins who is our champ?

My pick is Byrd, Byrd has only been beating by very credible opponents and only been knocked out by the hardest hitting heavyweight since tyson in his prime and that was with a seperated rib......

Anyone?


*EDIT*


Best quote anyone could state at this point regarding lewis and klitschko and other fighters....

"Lennox Lewis gives advice to these fighters from retirement and then sends them to me," Klitschko said. "It didn't help Corrie Sanders. Let's see if it helps Danny Williams, but I doubt it."

If Williams beat's the champ, then he is the champ. Not that I consider Vitali the champ in the first place. The heavy wt. division is a complete joke and hopefully within the next few yr's some of the younger generation will be ready to step up and make it a more exciting division...one can ONLY hope!! :confused:

If Williams beat's the champ, then he is the champ. Not that I consider Vitali the champ in the first place. The heavy wt. division is a complete joke and hopefully within the next few yr's some of the younger generation will be ready to step up and make it a more exciting division...one can ONLY hope!! :confused:


We have a white hope....Nope we are screwed.... :D



If williams beats vitali he isnt "THE" champ but "A" champ in a chump division....True story

We have a white hope....Nope we are screwed.... :D



If williams beats vitali he isnt "THE" champ but "A" champ in a chump division....True story

I dont care what color he is...just have a lick of talent and I'll support him. ;)

I dont care what color he is...just have a lick of talent and I'll support him. ;)


Vitali has potential but his style worries me once he fights a good boxer....

Vitali has potential but his style worries me once he fights a good boxer....

I have one major problem with Vitali, and it has nothing to do with actual talent. I have this scene that runs though my head automatically every time I hear his name, and I just cant get rid of it. Remember when he lost to Lewis? While everybody was still in the ring, etc. he kept throwing a fit cause they stopped the fight (like, his eyeball was about to fall out of his head!!) and Wlad entered the ring (to make matters worse) and they kept going over to Lewis' corner carrying on and on to the point where I tought they were gonna 'jump him' or something. It was crazy; like they blamed him for it getting stopped (technically it was his fault..that big right hand of his). It just made me sick, and as unfair as it is, no matter how long ago it happened I just cant get that scene out of my head!! And I KNOW they damn sure werent going over there to congradulate him :rolleyes:

Vitali has potential but his style worries me once he fights a good boxer....


Exactly...he has so many of the intangibles but once he fights a skilled, tough boxer I think he's gonna get ****canned.

I have one major problem with Vitali, and it has nothing to do with actual talent. I have this scene that runs though my head automatically every time I hear his name, and I just cant get rid of it. Remember when he lost to Lewis? While everybody was still in the ring, etc. he kept throwing a fit cause they stopped the fight (like, his eyeball was about to fall out of his head!!) and Wlad entered the ring (to make matters worse) and they kept going over to Lewis' corner carrying on and on to the point where I tought they were gonna 'jump him' or something. It was crazy; like they blamed him for it getting stopped (technically it was his fault..that big right hand of his). It just made me sick, and as unfair as it is, no matter how long ago it happened I just cant get that scene out of my head!! And I KNOW they damn sure werent going over there to congradulate him :rolleyes:

I agree completely, nice post, I see you live in Tennessee, I work alot of fight in Memphis, I have a fight there on Nov.6th as a matter of fact. let me know if you can make it and I will put you ringside...

willams ko 9. :cool:

blokes got a heart eh size of a lion. he willneed it though and Danny has always beena fave of mine nit just since beating tyson, bloke has always had the class but not always the mental strength he seems to have found of late.


im sensing some favortism. Vitali 6 round TKO.

I have one major problem with Vitali, and it has nothing to do with actual talent. I have this scene that runs though my head automatically every time I hear his name, and I just cant get rid of it. Remember when he lost to Lewis? While everybody was still in the ring, etc. he kept throwing a fit cause they stopped the fight (like, his eyeball was about to fall out of his head!!) and Wlad entered the ring (to make matters worse) and they kept going over to Lewis' corner carrying on and on to the point where I tought they were gonna 'jump him' or something. It was crazy; like they blamed him for it getting stopped (technically it was his fault..that big right hand of his). It just made me sick, and as unfair as it is, no matter how long ago it happened I just cant get that scene out of my head!! And I KNOW they damn sure werent going over there to congradulate him :rolleyes:


he probably just got caught up in the moment, being a late substitue with the chance of a lifetime, getting in there and proving all the critics (minus the klitschko fans) wrong by winning the fight until it was stopped, it was probably heartbreaking. Vitali went to Lewis to ask for a rematch, which LL obliged to, only to retire later obviously. Who wants to BE retired when they can just say "**** you, im done." what was sick was the way Lewis got all macho during the interview afterwards talking about Vitali was starting to fade, LL's ego must not have told him that at the end of the last round, he practically fell on his stool and looked like he couldnt stand back up. :D

I agree completely, nice post, I see you live in Tennessee, I work alot of fight in Memphis, I have a fight there on Nov.6th as a matter of fact. let me know if you can make it and I will put you ringside...

As much as I appreciate the offer to be ringside I most likely will either be in surgery or recovering from it around that time. If at any other time you make such an offer be sure that I will jump on it! Thanks a hell of a lot; I appreciate that very much!! :D

If Williams beat's the champ, then he is the champ. Not that I consider Vitali the champ in the first place. The heavy wt. division is a complete joke and hopefully within the next few yr's some of the younger generation will be ready to step up and make it a more exciting division...one can ONLY hope!! :confused:
I am a little confused about your statement. You are saying that if Williams beats Vitali you will consider him the champ, but presently you don't consider Vitali the champ?

I am a little confused about your statement. You are saying that if Williams beats Vitali you will consider him the champ, but presently you don't consider Vitali the champ?

How can I explain myself without offending you, cause I happen to like you.
Okay, according to the "way it works" (with the belts) and all the rating's, etc...Vitali is the champ. therefore if Williams beat him he would become the champ.
Okay, here comes the tricky part (dont hate me)..I have trouble recognizing Vitali as the 'true' champ cause I think he got that title by what I would call "default". If he had beaten Lennox (the REAL champ) and God know's he tried to get a rematch..I know, I know, but I guess since all he had to do was fight for the title that had basically 'come up for grabs' (agaqinst a golfer, no less) I stumble around that a little. Is that fair? Absolutely not. Can I help feeling that way? I'm sorry, no. Does that make sense at all? Feel free to say "no, you stupid idiot, you cant have it both ways"...I'll understand. ;)

How can I explain myself without offending you, cause I happen to like you.
Okay, according to the "way it works" (with the belts) and all the rating's, etc...Vitali is the champ. therefore if Williams beat him he would become the champ.
Okay, here comes the tricky part (dont hate me)..I have trouble recognizing Vitali as the 'true' champ cause I think he got that title by what I would call "default". If he had beaten Lennox (the REAL champ) and God know's he tried to get a rematch..I know, I know, but I guess since all he had to do was fight for the title that had basically 'come up for grabs' (agaqinst a golfer, no less) I stumble around that a little. Is that fair? Absolutely not. Can I help feeling that way? I'm sorry, no. Does that make sense at all? Feel free to say "no, you stupid idiot, you cant have it both ways"...I'll understand. ;)
I don't stoop to name calling because I think it's childish and unnecessary because it's being said behind a computer and not in person. Just because you are not a fan of the brothers and I am, does not mean I would say anything offensive towards you. I am just confused by the statement because if you don't consider Vitali the champ but you would consider Williams the champ if he beat Vitali puzzled me.

I don't stoop to name calling because I think it's childish and unnecessary because it's being said behind a computer and not in person. Just because you are not a fan of the brothers and I am, does not mean I would say anything offensive towards you. I am just confused by the statement because if you don't consider Vitali the champ but you would consider Williams the champ if he beat Vitali puzzled me.

Good to know, good to know!!
Did i clear it up any? Believe me, I would have trouble recognizing Williams as a real champ too. I was just saying that if he beat Vitali, which I doubt, he would by right's be the new champ.

I understand you do not like the heavyweight division much at the present time but if you had to pick one of the four belt holders in the heavyweight division to call the real champ, who would it be.

I understand you do not like the heavyweight division much at the present time but if you had to pick one of the four belt holders in the heavyweight division to call the real champ, who would it be.

If I HAD to? It would have to be Vitali, cause he has the real belt. :)

Realheavyhands, all Ali had was A one-two, if you can use it properly, that's all you need.

I have one major problem with Vitali, and it has nothing to do with actual talent. I have this scene that runs though my head automatically every time I hear his name, and I just cant get rid of it. Remember when he lost to Lewis? While everybody was still in the ring, etc. he kept throwing a fit cause they stopped the fight (like, his eyeball was about to fall out of his head!!) and Wlad entered the ring (to make matters worse) and they kept going over to Lewis' corner carrying on and on to the point where I tought they were gonna 'jump him' or something. It was crazy; like they blamed him for it getting stopped (technically it was his fault..that big right hand of his). It just made me sick, and as unfair as it is, no matter how long ago it happened I just cant get that scene out of my head!! And I KNOW they damn sure werent going over there to congradulate him :rolleyes: I understand your point, and Wlad should never have come into the ring, and it just goes to show you how sure someone can be that they will win, any of you see a beautiful mind, when the main character plays the smartass guy in whatever that game is they are playing? I respect your oppinion very much.

But Lewis should have given VK a rematch...

lewis was rocked a few times by klit,but lewis by far was landing the better punches,klit was landing MORE but lewis was landing the better meaningful shots,it was quantity vs quality. Klit needed over 50 stitches to repair the damage caused by lewis,had he wanted to win he should have gotten the f*ck out of the way of lewis's bombs.
Watch the fight again and take notice on who was landing the better shots and you'll see how Lewis cut vit up and won.

LENNOX LEWIS is backing Danny Williams to take on his mantle by beating Vitali Klitschko to become WBC champion in December.

The retirement earlier this year of former heavyweight champion Lewis left a large gap in the division and he believes Williams has the ability to capitalise by taking the title from Klitschko, who he knows well after knocking out the Ukrainian in June 2003.

The fight is scheduled for December 11. No venue has been officially announced.

"Danny has three ways to beat Vitali," said Lewis. "He can go after cuts around his eyes. I exposed him as a fighter who cuts up badly.

"He should also go to Vitali's body, where he is vulnerable. Also, if Danny keeps his cool he could outbox Klitschko and win a decision."

After those recent statements, it has got me thinking....What if Williams does beat vitali? Is that another stab in the heavyweight gut? I mean everyone recognizes vitali as the main champ and if williams beats klitschko will we hold him as the "real" champ? I know people will be all over his testicles after beating tyson and then vitali so people will ride his dick no doubting that one. Williams says he will fight vitali the same way he fought tyson, which has got me thinking aint noway williams is winning this fight w/ that style, in the tyson fight he left his head wide open and was out on his feet when tyson cold ****ed him but held on to a smaller tyson and vitali is 6 inches taller then williams so it wont be as easy to rest his arms on the giant......


What is everyones opinion? If williams wins who is our champ?

My pick is Byrd, Byrd has only been beating by very credible opponents and only been knocked out by the hardest hitting heavyweight since tyson in his prime and that was with a seperated rib......

Anyone?


*EDIT*


Best quote anyone could state at this point regarding lewis and klitschko and other fighters....

"Lennox Lewis gives advice to these fighters from retirement and then sends them to me," Klitschko said. "It didn't help Corrie Sanders. Let's see if it helps Danny Williams, but I doubt it."

If Ruiz beats Golota, I see him as the heavyweight champ. If Vitali beats Williams, I want to see a real contender go for the WBC belt next. And I don't mean Monte Barrett...

I have a thread on page one of the Non Stop Boxing where I express my disdain for Vitali being called the Recognized Champ.

If I HAD to? It would have to be Vitali, cause he has the real belt. :)

What's the real belt? The WBC? Why? Lewis won the IBF And WBC titles and gave them both up. He gave up the IBF belt to avoid fighting Byrd and he gave up the WBC belt when he retired. Do you mean The Ring belt? That's a sportswriter title, though I suppose they're right most of the time.

If Ruiz beats Golota, I see him as the heavyweight champ. If Vitali beats Williams, I want to see a real contender go for the WBC belt next. And I don't mean Monte Barrett...

I have a thread on page one of the Non Stop Boxing where I express my disdain for Vitali being called the Recognized Champ.


Good thing is vitali says after his fight w/ williams if he wins, he is eyeing a shot at the winner of ruiz/golota...Which would be a damn good fight either way.....However eyeing and doing is totally 2 different things, especially with the politics of boxing.

I understand your point, and Wlad should never have come into the ring, and it just goes to show you how sure someone can be that they will win, any of you see a beautiful mind, when the main character plays the smartass guy in whatever that game is they are playing? I respect your oppinion very much.

Thank you. You dont often agree with me when it comes to Vitali, so that really means alot ! :)

What's the real belt? The WBC? Why? Lewis won the IBF And WBC titles and gave them both up. He gave up the IBF belt to avoid fighting Byrd and he gave up the WBC belt when he retired. Do you mean The Ring belt? That's a sportswriter title, though I suppose they're right most of the time.

Lewis "avoided" Byrd becuase he didn't bring any money to the table. Unmarketable fight. Nobody wanted to see that fight except CITA. I'm sure Lennox wasn't afraid of him.

If I had to pick "the real champ", I guess it would have to be Vitali becuase of his showing against Lewis and then beating Sanders. That in itself is pathetic becuase he got glory from beating a fat Golfer and losing to a champ. But considering who the other guys are, I guess he is the man. I don't feel strong about it however. If we wanted to get realistic about it, Everyone's All American, John Ruiz has beaten the best fighters and fought better competition, but I can't bring myself to supporting him :(

I wasn't faulting Lewis for not fighting Byrd. People give up titles all the time. Sometimes, it's the best thing to do (winky not defending vs. Ouma to fight Mosley)

I just wondered why fighting for a vacant title was The Real Belt.

I wasn't faulting Lewis for not fighting Byrd. People give up titles all the time. Sometimes, it's the best thing to do (winky not defending vs. Ouma to fight Mosley)

I just wondered why fighting for a vacant title was The Real Belt.

sorry about that. Like I said, I don't feel strongly about it. I guess maybe the real champ is yet to come. if we could only get Vitali, Byrd and Ruiz to fight each other. A heavyweight tourney would be good right now, but I know it won't happen.

did I just say I want to see a Byrd-Ruiz fight? :( :eek:

I thought the WBC was the 'real' belt. The one, legit belt. Like I posted on another thread, I'm still learning every day. It was the belt Lennox had right? And he was considered the one, true champ. Help me out here; gotta learn somehow. (to be honest, this business with the belt's always confused me; I understand boxing really well, the belt's leave me thinking what the hell???)
I mean, I know what the initials stand for on all them; the WBC, WBA, IBF, and all of that, but which is the real one?

it's a long drawn out story. The WBC and WBA have been the most reconized belts for a long time. The IBF came into play in the early 80's when Larry Holmes dumped his WBC belt becuase he didn't want fight Greg Page. He was awarded the newly formed IBF belt. Thats about the time everything went hay wire with the belts. The WBO then came into play later on. The WBC gets more play becuase Don King owns.errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr his fighters usually are involved. At this point IMO, out of the three, there is not one more important than the other. that would be a brief summary of what could be a 500 page book

it's a long drawn out story. The WBC and WBA have been the most reconized belts for a long time. The IBF came into play in the early 80's when Larry Holmes dumped his WBC belt becuase he didn't want fight Greg Page. He was awarded the newly formed IBF belt. Thats about the time everything went hay wire with the belts. The WBO then came into play later on. The WBC gets more play becuase Don King owns.errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr his fighters usually are involved. At this point IMO, out of the three, there is not one more important than the other. that would be a brief summary of what could be a 500 page book

Thank you, that does help! :)

I have one major problem with Vitali, and it has nothing to do with actual talent. I have this scene that runs though my head automatically every time I hear his name, and I just cant get rid of it. Remember when he lost to Lewis? While everybody was still in the ring, etc. he kept throwing a fit cause they stopped the fight (like, his eyeball was about to fall out of his head!!) and Wlad entered the ring (to make matters worse) and they kept going over to Lewis' corner carrying on and on to the point where I tought they were gonna 'jump him' or something. It was crazy; like they blamed him for it getting stopped (technically it was his fault..that big right hand of his). It just made me sick, and as unfair as it is, no matter how long ago it happened I just cant get that scene out of my head!! And I KNOW they damn sure werent going over there to congradulate him :rolleyes:

It all makes sence now.

It all makes sence now.

Good for you :rolleyes:

I have one major problem with Vitali, and it has nothing to do with actual talent. I have this scene that runs though my head automatically every time I hear his name, and I just cant get rid of it. Remember when he lost to Lewis? While everybody was still in the ring, etc. he kept throwing a fit cause they stopped the fight (like, his eyeball was about to fall out of his head!!) and Wlad entered the ring (to make matters worse) and they kept going over to Lewis' corner carrying on and on to the point where I tought they were gonna 'jump him' or something. It was crazy; like they blamed him for it getting stopped (technically it was his fault..that big right hand of his). It just made me sick, and as unfair as it is, no matter how long ago it happened I just cant get that scene out of my head!! And I KNOW they damn sure werent going over there to congradulate him :rolleyes:

Apparently you missed Lewis's friends try to start a fight.

Apparently you missed Lewis's friends try to start a fight.

But of course that's what YOU saw, and I'd expect nothing else from you. NO, I didnt see that , and it wasnt cause I didnt want to or cause I wasnt looking either. I saw, in the ring, what I saw. I've got it taped and have seen it many, many times. You'll not convince me that the commotion was caused by Lewis' corner. You convinced yourself of that and that is just fine with me. Like I said, I would have been surprised, no FLOORED, if you had seen what I saw. It's ok, no big deal. ;)

Well that's not surprising so explain why Lewis's big friend in the black jacket had to be restrained by another of Lewis's friends in a red baseball hat, and what he (big guy in black jacket) was doing when he went storming across the ring pointing his finger and acting in an aggresive manner at Vitali when Vitali was trying to talk to Lewis about a rematch?

Well that's not surprising so explain why Lewis's big friend in the black jacket had to be restrained by another of Lewis's friends in a red baseball hat, and what he (big guy in black jacket) was doing when he went storming across the ring pointing his finger and acting in an aggresive manner at Vitali when Vitali was trying to talk to Lewis about a rematch?

WHATEVER...look, I tried to be nice about the matter; understanding why you'd automatically think that everything bad was Lewis' fault. I refuse to bang my head against this familiar wall, OK. I saw what I saw, you saw what you wanted to see. FINE, I get it. I'm not trying to harass you into believing that Vitali and his bro. were showing their asses in Lewis' corner; stop trying to harass me into thinking that Lewis is a thug and had any reason to behave badly after a victory! It wont work. If you could debate like some of the more objective and reasonable Klitschko fans then I'd love to debate with you. But you CANT. I'm not staying in this until you start with the "keep on hating" crap....it's really old.
You and torino should just debate with each other; according to both of you you're always right and everybody else is a hater. :rolleyes:

WHATEVER...look, I tried to be nice about the matter; understanding why you'd automatically think that everything bad was Lewis' fault. I refuse to bang my head against this familiar wall, OK. I saw what I saw, you saw what you wanted to see. FINE, I get it. I'm not trying to harass you into believing that Vitali and his bro. were showing their asses in Lewis' corner; stop trying to harass me into thinking that Lewis is a thug and had any reason to behave badly after a victory! It wont work. If you could debate like some of the more objective and reasonable Klitschko fans then I'd love to debate with you. But you CANT. I'm not staying in this until you start with the "keep on hating" crap....it's really old.
You and torino should just debate with each other; according to both of you you're always right and everybody else is a hater. :rolleyes:

Well that wasn't surprising. Way to not answer the question.

Well that wasn't surprising. Way to not answer the question.

See, that is why I dont debate with you; you twist thing's around and I've told you that before.
"Way to not answer a question"....NO, way to not play your stupid game...PERIOD. NO more, no less. But you go ahead and call it whatever you want; youre good at that.
Btw, I cant help but notice that I'm just one of many that refuse to try and have discussions/debates with you. Ever wonder why that is?

Because you can't explain why one of Lewis's friends was acting in a aggresive manner without admitting that I was right. Don't be too proud to admit when you are wrong.

Because you can't explain why one of Lewis's friends was acting in a aggresive manner without admitting that I was right. Don't be too proud to admit when you are wrong.


Sure, sure you have me figured out! I just knew with time that you would; considering that I've reasonable explained everything I post where youre concerned. You wanna be right so bad; go right ahead. I wont argue with you. Now, how does it feel? To THINK youre right all the time. What have you accomplished? Proving that when it comes to debating or discussing boxing or the meaning of life for that matter, with you it's a 'no win' situation. If you would accept the meaning of my words at face value, instead of what you want them to mean, you'd be that much closer to really getting it. I bet you argue with yourself when youre at home alone, dont you? If thinking you won this one will help you to stop badgering me, then please consider yourself victorious. It's on me.. ;)

Sure, sure you have me figured out! I just knew with time that you would; considering that I've reasonable explained everything I post where youre concerned. You wanna be right so bad; go right ahead. I wont argue with you. Now, how does it feel? To THINK youre right all the time. What have you accomplished? Proving that when it comes to debating or discussing boxing or the meaning of life for that matter, with you it's a 'no win' situation. If you would accept the meaning of my words at face value, instead of what you want them to mean, you'd be that much closer to really getting it. I bet you argue with yourself when youre at home alone, dont you? If thinking you won this one will help you to stop badgering me, then please consider yourself victorious. It's on me.. ;)

OUCH ! That's going to leave a mark!!! hehehe ;)

OUCH ! That's going to leave a mark!!! hehehe ;)


Wow, very old thread! Where did ya dig this one up at ?? :D

Williams has no chance. He'll be motivated, as he has before, but he'll need to bring a new game to the Ring with Vitali. Admittedly, I was the biggest Vitali trasher around, but he's starting to command some respect, even if he beat a Fat Goldef, but did have a pretty good showing against an aging Linear Champ.

By the way, Vitali cannot claim to be the Linear Champ quite yet. In reality, he will never be able to say he beat the guy who beat the guy, but he can have the Linear Title "given" to him if he beats all true contenders that were in-place at the time he got his first title.

Any thoughts on that one?

Agree that Williams has 2 chances - slim and none. Also, agree that Klitschko may not have Linear Champ sewed up at this point (whatever that means ;) ) - I would like to see him beat Ruiz/Golota and/or Byrd/McCline before we give him that title.

Agree that Williams has 2 chances - slim and none. Also, agree that Klitschko may not have Linear Champ sewed up at this point (whatever that means ;) ) - I would like to see him beat Ruiz/Golota and/or Byrd/McCline before we give him that title.


i agree. Vitali will beat either of those for guys, especially mccline. I personally want to see John Ruiz try to "man hug" someone bigger than him. I hope Vitali knocks his face off.

You are right. If, somehow Ruiz beats Golota(God forbid) i would like to see Vitaly bury him in to that ring. :mad:

Williams has no chance. He'll be motivated, as he has before, but he'll need to bring a new game to the Ring with Vitali. Admittedly, I was the biggest Vitali trasher around, but he's starting to command some respect, even if he beat a Fat Goldef, but did have a pretty good showing against an aging Linear Champ.

By the way, Vitali cannot claim to be the Linear Champ quite yet. In reality, he will never be able to say he beat the guy who beat the guy, but he can have the Linear Title "given" to him if he beats all true contenders that were in-place at the time he got his first title.

Any thoughts on that one?

That's exactly what I meant when I posted before that it was hard for me to consider Vitali the 'real' champ cause I felt he got the belt by default, so to speak, by fighting another contender instead of Lewis. YES, he tried to get a rematch, but he didnt, but that wasnt my point to begin with. So I basically agree with what you said. ;)

No doubt Danny has heart, but Vitali is about as determined as they come right now, he'll go in looking to win big..but if danny does pull of the upset I say golota after he beats ruiz should be considered the real champ.

williams is a monster compared to vitali... vitali is light in the ass.. 6'8 250 williams 6'1 265 that mean if williams was 6'8 he would weigh 300 lbs according to the hieght chart for the miliatry..i think williams shold try to puch vitali around.. he dont like contact

Agree that Williams has 2 chances - slim and none. Also, agree that Klitschko may not have Linear Champ sewed up at this point (whatever that means ;) ) - I would like to see him beat Ruiz/Golota and/or Byrd/McCline before we give him that title.



Seems there's alot of people not willing to give Vitali much of anything until he beats "Lights Out" also. I definitely want to see him in against the Ruiz/Golota winner. But also hope Klit never gets his dream of fighting Tyson, because it really doesn't mean anything to anybody but the bankers.

Klitisko by early round Ko

Second round that is