I just saw the knockout last weekend and I have to say it looked like a dive to me. The punch was more like a flick of a wrist and moore didn't look hurt at all when he fell. He also didn't look hurt when he lifted his head up for a second and looked around before putting it back down. He did that at normal speed with no wobble and his eyes looked clear. Also, aside from the quick head lift he didn't seem to make any effort to move at all.

I didn't see the rest of the fight, so maybe he took a lot of shots before then... This could possibly explain the weak punch putting him down, but it doesn't explain the rest of it...

Foreman was stumbling around the ring barely able to keep his hands up by the end of the fight... to me it looked like Moorer could see foreman was too exhausted to throw a good punch anymore so he took a dive on the next shot that touched him.

Did I miss something there?

I just saw the knockout last weekend and I have to say it looked like a dive to me. The punch was more like a flick of a wrist and moore didn't look hurt at all when he fell. He also didn't look hurt when he lifted his head up for a second and looked around before putting it back down. He did that at normal speed with no wobble and his eyes looked clear. Also, aside from the quick head lift he didn't seem to make any effort to move at all.

I didn't see the rest of the fight, so maybe he took a lot of shots before then... This could possibly explain the weak punch putting him down, but it doesn't explain the rest of it...

Foreman was stumbling around the ring barely able to keep his hands up by the end of the fight... to me it looked like Moorer could see foreman was too exhausted to throw a good punch anymore so he took a dive on the next shot that touched him.

Did I miss something there?

those sort of shots are the most deceptively powerful. coupled with moorers weak chin and the accuracy of the punch which was right on the jaw Moorer was out and you can see the blood filling up behind his lips.
Foreman was heavy handed and never really turned his weight into the shots so a from the shoulder punch from him was very powerful.

those sort of shots are the most deceptively powerful. coupled with moorers weak chin and the accuracy of the punch which was right on the jaw Moorer was out and you can see the blood filling up behind his lips.
Foreman was heavy handed and never really turned his weight into the shots so a from the shoulder punch from him was very powerful.

I saw the blood but that was just a bloody lip. What about the head lift? He was supposedly out cold and then lifted his head in a quick smooth motion, set it down gently and then was out cold again?

As I recall he almost sat down on the initial punch... He didn't fall straight back on the shot or crumple where he stood... he kind of fell backward a second later.

I saw the blood but that was just a bloody lip. What about the head lift? He was supposedly out cold and then lifted his head in a quick smooth motion, set it down gently and then was out cold again?

people roll over and try to stand when they are on the brink of unconsciousness. And Moorer had concussion after the fight which means KO.

First of all you have to ask yourself, "why would a champion take a dive in a fight he was dominating when he had a rematch with Holyfield on the table for 8 figures?" I highly doubt he would.

Second of all his lip was split in half by the shot, and he had to get several stiches, so the shot was definitaly a hard one. He also didnt see it coming and it landed square on his chin. Looks can be decieving but that shot was a knockout blow for sure.

I didn't know about the concussion. Also thats a good point on the payday. Although maybe he didn't like his chances against Holyfield and he could have been offered a big payoff for the dive. I'll conceed that you guys are probably right though... it just looked suspect to me.

I didn't know about the concussion. Also thats a good point on the payday. Although maybe he didn't like his chances against Holyfield and he could have been offered a big payoff for the dive. I'll conceed that you guys are probably right though... it just looked suspect to me.

well there are too many diving theories in boxing really. Moorer would make more money by winning and choosing his defenses rather than taking a dive.

Did I miss something there?

** Yeah, just the whole fight.

moorer did most of the offense during the whole fight, and was confident enough to stand in front of foreman cause he thought foreman couldnt hurt him, big mistake. Its a legit ko, just not a real spectacular one.

** Yeah, just the whole fight.

I said I didn't see the fight and was just talking about the knockdown. Snappy line though...

I said I didn't see the fight and was just talking about the knockdown. Snappy line though...

i doubt any fighter who has teddy atlas in their corner would be able to get away with pulling off a dive, teddy would have killed him for it!

im sure this fights hbo legendary nights have been posted in the video trading section you should check it out mate.

from what i remember double m was bossing the whole fight and stacking up round after round,
out jabbing and out speeding the older fighter.
but foremans heart kept his old legs up and his fighting experience kept him swinging occasiaonal big shots looking for the ko.
while it is without doubt moorer was putting in his most accomplished performance to date he was also getting over-confident as a fighter would who was winning in such dominant fashion.
but with his over confidence also comes mistakes and that is where foreman got lucky.
9 times out of ten the slow big hitter wont get a chance to get his money shot off against a faster more skilled champion but foreman did end of story.

a fighters reaction to a knockdown is always different just look at zab judah taking a cruncher to the jaw off kostya tsyzu,
he's up at one down at three and then up again dancing like a newborn giraffe argueing with jay nady about the stoppage.
but it was still a knock-out punch.

moorers reaction was at first of shock and then of reality as he realised he was done,
and lets remember ten seconds is not a long time to get up and regain composure and it's sure as hell a lot shorter time when like moorer you didnt know why you are on the canvas with the ref counting you out.

by the way tho i like your avatar!!

Moorer taking a dive? What's next, Wilt Chamberlain didn't really score 100? Man never landed on the moon?:lol1: