Dan Henderson

Now, before you guys call me crazy, listen to my points.

Dan Henderson has proved to me he is the best p4p in the world for 3 reasons. The first reason is that he fights at a higher weight than he is naturaly comfortable at. Henderson is naturaly a middleweight. However, because PRIDE only has two weight classes, he fights at 199. 2, he is the only person to hold a win over Nog and stayed right with him in the rematch. Nog is a HW, Henderson was outweight by nearly 40 lbs in that match.

And finaly, Henderson is probably the est "flurryier" in MMA. When the time is starting to tick away, and he might be a little behind on the judges score cards, thats when he comes alive. Dan Henderson is SO dangerous in the last 5 mins of a fight. Everyone comments on his ability to win every close decison he seems to end up in. That is because he knows when to turn it on and leave a huge mark in the judges mind and scorecards.

Its time for Murilo Bustamante to go to PRIDE and face Dan Henderson at 185. After that, we will know for sure who the best fighter, p4p, in the world is.

Good points, but Silva beat him pretty bad, and I heard he was in a bit of a survival mode vs Nog. It's valid to say he stayed with it vs Nog, but Nog is a ground fighter where it isn't AS hard to stay with it compared to stand up considering weight differences, you know? If he would have faced cro-cop which is about the same weight difference I'm sure it wouldn't have been impressive for henderson.
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Henderson took the Nog fight on two weeks notice too, I think Hendo is great, but IMO not the best Pfp.....

Well, I just don't see anyone that can beat him at his natural weight. Bustamante is an amazing fighter, but IMO Henderson would beat him at 185

Silva would beat him so would Matt Lindland or Mark Weir or Phil Baroni or............

Frank Shamrock or Sakuraba or.......
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Silva is heavier, Weir and Baroni would not beat him.

Dan is awesome, but not the best PFP fighter.

Nog's the man in that category...

Liddell for my money is the best pound for pound, but if he loses the fight to Tito i give it to Tito, i think Nog is a more dominant fighter, I dont know about the best pound for pound.

In order for me to me to consider Tito p4p the best he'd have to beat someone bigger then him. If he could beat heavyweights like he does guys smaller then him he'd have a better arguement in my eyes.
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I really want to see Dan Henderson fight fight Murilo Bustamante.
That is the fight to decided who is the best in the world p4p

Sakis the best pound 4 pound if anyone fought him at his own wait they would lose.

I'm gonna say Frank Shamrock. Then comes Silva.

Big_Papa how can you can Silva? He hasn't beat anyone at 205 is even close to his skill. He beat Henderson and Sakuraba in the PRIDE LHW divison but that doesn't mean ****. How can anyone possibely think that Genki Sudo and Tito Ortiz are in the same weight class? PRIDE does

Silva is no where near the best p4p or the best LHW for that matter......

Originally posted by Creed
Big_Papa how can you can Silva? He hasn't beat anyone at 205 is even close to his skill. He beat Henderson and Sakuraba in the PRIDE LHW divison but that doesn't mean ****. How can anyone possibely think that Genki Sudo and Tito Ortiz are in the same weight class? PRIDE does

First off I'll say that I agree Silva isn't p4p the best right now.

You say Silva never beat anyone good that's heavier then him? Well he beat Arsdale(thought to be the best vale tudo fighter before this loss), Mezger, cro-cop, and honorable mention for finishing Schrijber(not REALLY good, but 40lbs heavier, he's kayoed guys like Yvel)

How come his wins over Saku and Henderson don't count? Because he was 10-15lbs heavier? What credibility does that give a guy like Tito then, he pretty much always weighs that much or more then his opponents(who aren't even as skilled). By that same comparison do Tito's wins mean nothing then?
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i agree silva is one of the best fighters out there

Busa's hot right now, I think Greco-Roman wrestlers are always good at any weight. Henderson though has arguably lost a lot of his decisions just ask Goes, Newton, Nog and even Ninja. but to be fair he hangs in there w/ everybody and really fought hard against Silva, did better than most have. I say Busta's better cuz he never got subbed like hendo did against Shamrock. He owns against top comptition. Liddel never solidly beat him and i nm opinion the fight should've ben awarded to Murilo. Murilo fought a wrestler w/ a 100 or so pound advantage- a fight whch went to a draw after 40 minutes. Hendo was preatty well rounded when he fought Nog. Busta although he hasn't cross trained as long, excells in many levels of the game. Busta's 35 years old and still fights like a youth, if Dan's as good in a couple years i'll be impressed.
I also have to say Sak is real good. Lately he's had soem trouble but he subbed a heavier Braga and Renzo Gracie, Almost beat Igor after 90 minutes in the ring w/ Royce, while giving up a solid 40 pounds. He also beat Rampage and argueas you will Rampage is a bad ass motehr****er who's always bee dangrous.In his last outing w/ ilva sak didn't do too badly, but he got ****ed by a well set up slam. We also saw Sak humilate Vitor and probably tear hsi hear away for good. Also name a fighter to fight as consistently as Sak. I think Busta's ground game is solid enough for him to avoid being submitted by Kazushi Sakuraba, but his stand-up would be his only chance at wining. That's why i have Busta as numbr 1. Frank Shamrock would probably be #2 but inactivity places him at 3 under Sak.

Originally posted by lightweight
First off I'll say that I agree Silva isn't p4p the best right now.

You say Silva never beat anyone good that's heavier then him? Well he beat Arsdale(thought to be the best vale tudo fighter before this loss), Mezger, cro-cop, and honorable mention for finishing Schrijber(not REALLY good, but 40lbs heavier, he's kayoed guys like Yvel)

How come his wins over Saku and Henderson don't count? Because he was 10-15lbs heavier? What credibility does that give a guy like Tito then, he pretty much always weighs that much or more then his opponents(who aren't even as skilled). By that same comparison do Tito's wins mean nothing then?

Silva walks around at 215. He cuts about 15 lbs for a fight. Much like Ortiz does

Care to share your source? If you do I'll believe you. Until then I'll go based on what I know, which is at pride 12 he had gained weight to get to 207(from his 199 area), and stayed in that area minus the cro-cop fight where he gained weight to fight the heavier opponent. Then this before pride 23-

PRIDE Fighting Championships: How's your conditioning?

Wanderlei Silva: I'm feeling really good. I'll be at my best in the fight.

PRIDE: Have you lost weight?

Silva: Yes. I'm 92 kilos now.

Which is about 203lbs. The only time I know of where he was 215 or so was the cro-cop fight. Share your source?
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202.4lbs

Take a look at Silva. He is nearly as big as Ortiz

besides, there really isn't anything wrong with cutting weight. PRIDE just needs more weight classes. Its generaly accepted that Silva is a LHW. If he could honestly cut and make 185 for a match, then is wins against Sakuraba and Henderson would mean more in my eyes

Originally posted by Creed
Take a look at Silva. He is nearly as big as Ortiz

If you have pride 13 watch before the Silva sak fight where Tito gives them flowers. It looks like they'd be seperated by a couple of weight classes.
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Originally posted by Creed
besides, there really isn't anything wrong with cutting weight. PRIDE just needs more weight classes. Its generaly accepted that Silva is a LHW. If he could honestly cut and make 185 for a match, then is wins against Sakuraba and Henderson would mean more in my eyes

This is me being curious, but do Tito wins mean much to you then? Tito fights at about 215-220lbs after his weight cut, and steps in the ring with a guy like Kondo(200lbs), or Tanner and Sinosic who are like 205. He's essentially a weight class above these guys as well.
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Creed, I'm still interested in knowing why you don't give Silva credit when he beats great fighters that are a bit smaller(including your p4p pick), but when Tito does the same thing to less skilled fighters you don't complain...
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